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post #901 of 2767
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I am unfamiliar with with ICT flag, so i will research it so I am more aware.

ICT = Image Constraint Token. AACS compliant software is required to ensure that if ICT is active, any picture information passed along to an analog interface is no greater in resolution than 960x540p. It is a flag in the video bitstream on disk, and can be activated by the studios on a title-by-title basis. Though it is likely only a "gentlemen's agreement" between hardware manufacturers and the studios and not actually contractually binding, scuttlebutt is that Hollywood has pledged not to activate ICT until next decade, if at all.

You should be fine for awhile.
post #902 of 2767
Has anyone has success making this work on Vista x64? The beta nvidia drivers dont support hdcp yet... I found some others but have yet to test them.
post #903 of 2767
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Originally Posted by trueimage View Post

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Also, should I try a different HD-DVD without U-Control? If so, what are some good ones.

Definitely try something without U-control. Although I've gotten them to work with PDVDHD, they're a PITA. Superman Returns played really well. I've also got "The Perfect Storm". It works well also.

That said, you really should at least be getting a picture, even with the U-control disks. I've only tried King Kong, but it plays, but defaults to that stupid PIP.

I don't really have any suggestions though. Maybe try switching to analog audio if you're using S/PDIF. I've had some problems with choppy video when using S/PDIF. Switching to analog fixed it.
post #904 of 2767
True Image...Is your monitor HDCP ready?

Also it is not uncommon that if a monitor has DVI and HDMI one of them might not be HDCP.
post #905 of 2767
How do I get rid of the picture in picture in HD-DVD KingKong? I know it can be done because my son did it by clicking the mouse and hitting the keyboard. He can't repeat the success though.
Thanks
David
post #906 of 2767
Ditto
post #907 of 2767
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Originally Posted by wridave View Post

How do I get rid of the picture in picture in HD-DVD KingKong? I know it can be done because my son did it by clicking the mouse and hitting the keyboard. He can't repeat the success though.
Thanks
David

Search the thread, it quite a few pages back.
post #908 of 2767
A quick question: Wouldn't you get the best sound from a PC with HD-DVD addon using the 5.1 analog output? Especially if the disk has a TrueHD or DTS-HD soundtrack?

As for the "King Kong Fix", i've found this on AVforums.com (UK forum):

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You'll get to the point where the film starts to play but the picture freezes

press chapter back

next problem is the subtitles are stuck on - select title menu (on the right click menu) then use the cursor keys to go to setup > no subtitles, then cursor left to close the menu

next problem the u-control icon and picture-in-picture are stuck on , press space to toggle the PinP till its off, then press A to close the U-control icon. Note this bit is a bit temperamental, you may have to wait for the u-control icon to highlight.
post #909 of 2767
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Originally Posted by CHoKPoP View Post

Hey everyone I am at my wits end trying to get hd dvd movies to work on this addon drive.

here are my specs

athlon 3800+
1.5 gig memory
geforce 7600 GS
powerdvd 6.5
display connection type: digital (without HDCP)

my display is a samsung syncmaster 215tw. i've done some research and it should be hdcp compliant. when i try to play an hd dvd it'll stop after a few seconds to say that it's protected. i've tried using VGA too but it does a weird picture in picture thing. any ideas?



Like I said, where are people downloading PowerDVD 6.5. It seems that even people with new builds are able to obtain the software? Where are they getting it and how? Is it possible that I can get a link?
Thanks
post #910 of 2767
To take PIP I pressed #1 on the keypad on my keyboard. Then U Control popped up.

I thought I had it down packed but I don't. The video is TOO choppy. I have to wait till my 7950 gets here.

But pressing #1 does bring U up. Play around with a few buttons. It was different for me every time. Weird.


6.5 is NOT out yet. U cannot buy it unless you buy a HD DVD or you get it illegally. That is why no one can post where. duh Been said few times.


btw my AM2 3500 OCed to 2.6 stays at around 50-70% cpu usage with acc on.
post #911 of 2767
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Originally Posted by MC FLMJIG View Post

btw my AM2 3500 OCed to 2.6 stays at around 50-70% cpu usage with acc on.

Thats good news! I have a 3200+ on 939 with PCIE. I can get it to 2.3Ghz now so hopefully when my 7900GS arrives I will be in business.
post #912 of 2767
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Originally Posted by talon95 View Post

Definitely try something without U-control. Although I've gotten them to work with PDVDHD, they're a PITA. Superman Returns played really well. I've also got "The Perfect Storm". It works well also.

That said, you really should at least be getting a picture, even with the U-control disks. I've only tried King Kong, but it plays, but defaults to that stupid PIP.

I don't really have any suggestions though. Maybe try switching to analog audio if you're using S/PDIF. I've had some problems with choppy video when using S/PDIF. Switching to analog fixed it.

Sounds good, I will try another HD-DVD this weekend.

Also, I will try the "king kong fix" as mentioned above lol

I was thinking spdif was the best connection for me to use? How would I setup analog 5.1ch and would this be a good choice for other sources on the htpc too? (dvd, xvid with 5.1, 1080i .ts with 5.1)
post #913 of 2767
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Originally Posted by MC FLMJIG View Post

True Image...Is your monitor HDCP ready?

Also it is not uncommon that if a monitor has DVI and HDMI one of them might not be HDCP.

I did a quick search with no results. I have run the Cyberlink HD advisor thing, and it says HDCP is ok (green). How can I tell for certain, my set is Samsung HLR-4664 720p DLP. It is a canadian model, so there isn't as much info on it out there (google gives me MY posts in the thread here in the rear-projection forum, lol)
post #914 of 2767
Just bought a HP DV9000t laptop which has the HD DVD Drive Add On option. I opted for not to upgrade to the HD DVD Drive for $450 but I'm wondering if I would be able to hook my Xbox 360 HD DVD Drive right up to this and run it without any problems. Should have all the software I need on it correct and it has HDMI out. Should be here in a week to test this out.
post #915 of 2767
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Originally Posted by stevo714 View Post

Just bought a HP DV9000t laptop which has the HD DVD Drive Add On option. I opted for not to upgrade to the HD DVD Drive for $450 but I'm wondering if I would be able to hook my Xbox 360 HD DVD Drive right up to this and run it without any problems. Should have all the software I need on it correct and it has HDMI out. Should be here in a week to test this out.

I dont think you will get the software for playback.
post #916 of 2767
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Originally Posted by trueimage View Post

Sounds good, I will try another HD-DVD this weekend.

Also, I will try the "king kong fix" as mentioned above lol

I was thinking spdif was the best connection for me to use? How would I setup analog 5.1ch and would this be a good choice for other sources on the htpc too? (dvd, xvid with 5.1, 1080i .ts with 5.1)


But SPDIF only allows up to 1.5 Mbit bitrate (?), so you won't get the lossless sounds from TrueHD and DTS-HD MA.
post #917 of 2767
True - I would try and contact ur manufacturer. IF not then best bet is to wait for official HD dvd software maybe?


Hmmmm. I was using an optical as well from the mobo... Maybe that's why it was choppy?

Let me try again.


EDIT - Nope. I need to wait for vid card.
post #918 of 2767
trueimage,

Your post reminded me that I haven't announced my purchase on Dec. 9th of the new HP Pavilion m7690n Media Center with HD DVD drive.

I'm still very new to it and have to read manuals, etc..., but I've checked out how HD discs play and it's flawless! Very smooth with no dropped frames at all. It doesn't use PowerDVD or WinDVD that I can tell. It seems to be a proprietary player from HP. I could be wrong about that. Like I said, I haven't had much time to play with it yet and am still setting the computer up.

The unit came with 'The Bourne Supremacy' HD DVD which was a total surprise to me and a very pleasant one at that. So I have that one and 'Serenity' (which I'd purchased a while back when I demo'd the HD-A1) to use for now.

CPU usage has been as low as 36% and does go higher but not by much and it fluctuates. Fan noise is a bit of a disappointment and I'll be investigating that. The culprit seems to be a case fan at the back of the tower, just underneath the power supply. I already am planning on switching to a fan with lower dbs if needed. All in all I'm very impressed with this HD DVD drive and it's operation. It's not too slow either. Much faster than I remember the HD-A1 was. No handshake problem with my Monoprice HDMI 5 x 1 switcher.

The 22" widescreen monitor that I also bought at the same time is HDCP compliant. It doesn't appear to be on the list on the Nvidia website but HD movies play over DVI beautifully. When comparing regular DVD on this same monitor the difference is easily seen so I know that I'm getting full HD.

I briefly checked it out of course on my Optoma H78 projector and was absolutely thrilled. I could have shut everything off and been satisfied just viewing the FBI warning screen and the Universal screen where the studio's moniker glides horizontally around the globe.

I hadn't seen any reviews yet on the forum so I thought I'd post this mini one.

Wayne
post #919 of 2767
mystery, what kind of CPU is in that? general spec please

Edit: Found it - Intel Core 2 Duo E6400 processor, a 256MB Nvidia GeForce 7600 GT, and 2GB of 533MHz DDR2 SDRAM
post #920 of 2767
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Originally Posted by mystery View Post

trueimage,

Your post reminded me that I haven't announced my purchase on Dec. 9th of the new HP Pavilion m7690n Media Center with HD DVD drive.

I'm still very new to it and have to read manuals, etc..., but I've checked out how HD discs play and it's flawless! Very smooth with no dropped frames at all. It doesn't use PowerDVD or WinDVD that I can tell. It seems to be a proprietary player from HP. I could be wrong about that. Like I said, I haven't had much time to play with it yet and am still setting the computer up.

The unit came with 'The Bourne Supremacy' HD DVD which was a total surprise to me and a very pleasant one at that. So I have that one and 'Serenity' (which I'd purchased a while back when I demo'd the HD-A1) to use for now.

CPU usage has been as low as 36% and does go higher but not by much and it fluctuates. Fan noise is a bit of a disappointment and I'll be investigating that. The culprit seems to be a case fan at the back of the tower, just underneath the power supply. I already am planning on switching to a fan with lower dbs if needed. All in all I'm very impressed with this HD DVD drive and it's operation. It's not too slow either. Much faster than I remember the HD-A1 was. No handshake problem with my Monoprice HDMI 5 x 1 switcher.

The 22" widescreen monitor that I also bought at the same time is HDCP compliant. It doesn't appear to be on the list on the Nvidia website but HD movies play over DVI beautifully. When comparing regular DVD on this same monitor the difference is easily seen so I know that I'm getting full HD.

I briefly checked it out of course on my Optoma H78 projector and was absolutely thrilled. I could have shut everything off and been satisfied just viewing the FBI warning screen and the Universal screen where the studio's moniker glides horizontally around the globe.

I hadn't seen any reviews yet on the forum so I thought I'd post this mini one.

Wayne

Hi,
is the Bourne Supremacy a MPEG-2 encoded title or an AVC (h.264) encoded? If you are at 36% CPU load with a MPEG-2 encoded HD title you are in trouble. NO OFFENDING, just a watchout!

I am at 11% with MPEG-2 1080i (hardware de-interlace), 30-40% with MPEG-2 1080p and 60% on AVC encoded 1080i using hardware accellaration.

That means I am on the edge/in trouble with AVC 1080p like you are under same conditions. I rely on nVidea to improve the hardware accelaration, Forceware Driver still bit buggy. If they can't, well boy, a bigger CPU is needed. AnandTech posted a nice test on this. ATI lacks a little behind on nVidea.

sandra
post #921 of 2767
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2886
This is scary, basically a C2D 6400 is needed not to have dropped frames with the highest blueray quality disks........ ;(
post #922 of 2767
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by casandra9 View Post

Hi,
is the Bourne Supremacy a MPEG-2 encoded title or an AVC (h.264) encoded? If you are at 36% CPU load with a MPEG-2 encoded HD title you are in trouble. NO OFFENDING, just a watchout!

I am at 11% with MPEG-2 1080i (hardware de-interlace), 30-40% with MPEG-2 1080p and 60% on AVC encoded 1080i using hardware accellaration.

That means I am on the edge/in trouble with AVC 1080p like you are under same conditions. I rely on nVidea to improve the hardware accelaration, Forceware Driver still bit buggy. If they can't, well boy, a bigger CPU is needed. AnandTech posted a nice test on this. ATI lacks a little behind on nVidea.

sandra

The Bourne Supremacy is 1080p VC-1.
post #923 of 2767
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Originally Posted by AlphaFox View Post

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2886
This is scary, basically a C2D 6400 is needed not to have dropped frames with the highest blueray quality disks........ ;(

The idea of the article was to test how much load the GPU is taking off the CPU. If you don't have a GPU that can accelerate H.264. Then yes you need at least a C2D 6400 and from what their tests revealed most likely a 6800 to be safe. But you shouldn't be putting all the load on the CPU anyhow. Also, it's much more cost effective to buy a middle of the road GPU and CPU than to go all out in either direction (the best CPU and/or GPU).

Bottom line if you don't have the GPU, that accelerates the new HD codecs, then you will need to upgrade. Unless you are several generations behind with your CPU, you will be fine with just the GPU upgrade.

My 2 cents.

-B
post #924 of 2767
A little help, please. I have a HP Z558 Media Center. Is it possible to use the XBOX360 HD DVD player with my machine? What software is required if so?
Is there a plugin that would allow me to access the HD drive in MCE?

Thanks
post #925 of 2767
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Originally Posted by avdesignshouston View Post

A little help, please. I have a HP Z558 Media Center. Is it possible to use the XBOX360 HD DVD player with my machine? What software is required if so?
Is there a plugin that would allow me to access the HD drive in MCE?

Thanks

Sorry, as of right now there are no plug-ins or add-ons for MCE to enable HD-DVD playback.
post #926 of 2767
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Originally Posted by brandonshope View Post

The idea of the article was to test how much load the GPU is taking off the CPU. If you don't have a GPU that can accelerate H.264. Then yes you need at least a C2D 6400 and from what their tests revealed most likely a 6800 to be safe. But you shouldn't be putting all the load on the CPU anyhow. Also, it's much more cost effective to buy a middle of the road GPU and CPU than to go all out in either direction (the best CPU and/or GPU).

Bottom line if you don't have the GPU, that accelerates the new HD codecs, then you will need to upgrade. Unless you are several generations behind with your CPU, you will be fine with just the GPU upgrade.

My 2 cents.

-B

Well exactly, they took a bunch of good video cards and checked to see how much they offloaded from the CPU. the 7900 series seemed to offload around 20% (im sure they used PureVideoHD drivers), leaving the rest to the CPU. having a single core A64, my only hope is that it offloads enough to make the video smooth.
post #927 of 2767
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Originally Posted by AlphaFox View Post

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2886
This is scary, basically a C2D 6400 is needed not to have dropped frames with the highest blueray quality disks...

More analysis on the two articles

is on this post. AnandTech's conclusion could be true:

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As for recommendations, based on our testing, we would not suggest anything less than an Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 for use in a system designed to play HD content ... But keep in mind that X-Men: The Last Stand is only one of the first H.264 movies to come out. We may see content that is more difficult to decode in the future, and faster processors are definitely a good place to pad your performance to ensure a quality HD experience on the PC.
post #928 of 2767
I think we will have a clearer picture when the retail app is actuall launched. most of the testing done is based on pre-release stuff and it just doesnt make sense why a reguar A64 shouldnt be supported... I mean I mind as well just get the xbox 360 for the money it will cost!!! $230 for new video card, $40 for a better power supply, now I ahve to go and get a new motherboard, memory and CPU?? Im not wasting more money on S939 based crap, so I would have to get a C2D based system. absolutley blows if this wont work for me!
post #929 of 2767
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by AlphaFox View Post

I think we will have a clearer picture when the retail app is actuall launched. most of the testing done is based on pre-release stuff and it just doesnt make sense why a reguar A64 shouldnt be supported... I mean I mind as well just get the xbox 360 for the money it will cost!!! $230 for new video card, $40 for a better power supply, now I ahve to go and get a new motherboard, memory and CPU?? Im not wasting more money on S939 based crap, so I would have to get a C2D based system. absolutley blows if this wont work for me!

With an HTPC, you have the option to output 1080p/24, and are free to apply any enhancements you like to the picture. A set-top DVD player could never beat a good HTPC, and I think it will also be true for HD DVD as well.
post #930 of 2767
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Originally Posted by MidnightWatcher View Post

With an HTPC, you have the option to output 1080p/24, and are free to apply any enhancements you like to the picture. A set-top DVD player could never beat a good HTPC, and I think it will also be true for HD DVD as well.

Couldn't agree more. The only reason I will be willing to pay 1.5K on upgrading my HTPC instead of 300$ Toshiba XA1 is the ability to get Direct LUT color corection per color primary in an 12Bit RGB space. Add custom output resolution/refresh rate/resizing. this is priceless!
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