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post #151 of 254
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Originally Posted by DonB2 View Post

...I could never be sure that a Coby recording I made would be available when I went to watch it. So for now I am back to my steam powered VCR using video input from my SAMSUNG ATSC tuner which produces tolerable timed recordings for me.

-DoNb2

All the more reason to have a recorder with a hard drive.
post #152 of 254
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Originally Posted by Chuck44 View Post

All the more reason to have a recorder with a hard drive.

You beat me to it Chuck, I was going to say exactly the same thing. I was thinking of buying a DVD recorder with ATSC tuner, but after reading this thread, I think I will wait until someone comes out with a combo DVR/DVD recorder with ATSC tuner (preferably Panasonic as I gather they have consistently been getting good reviews so far).
post #153 of 254
"All the more reason to have a recorder with a hard drive. "

Sounds good except this thread is titled:

"DVD recorders with digital tuners are coming!"

not

"DVD/DVR recorders with digital tuners are coming!"

Maybe I should look for "VCR/DVR recorders with digital tuners are coming"

In seriousness I would not pass up a ATSC DVR recorder. My goal was to free up the last slot in my cabinet that presently houses the Steam Powered VCR with a Combo VCR/DVD ATSC recorder. Not sure if I could afford a unit with hard drive also.

-DonB2
post #154 of 254
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Originally Posted by roger1818 View Post

You beat me to it Chuck, I was going to say exactly the same thing. I was thinking of buying a DVD recorder with ATSC tuner, but after reading this thread, I think I will wait until someone comes out with a combo DVR/DVD recorder with ATSC tuner (preferably Panasonic as I gather they have consistently been getting good reviews so far).

Panasonic's 2007 models will not have hard drives.
post #155 of 254
AND !!!! I keep juggling with how much I would be willing to spend for a DVD/DVR ATSC recorder compared to what I would spend for say the Dish Dual HD recorder and a HD suite package.

If I am going to drop 4 bills on an OTA ATSC only DVD/DVR recorder maybe I would be better off putting the money into Dish or Direct DVR and service for a couple of years.

Just a thought !!!

Not trying to start something here.

Just trying to compare the outlay of money with the outlay of money

If the DVD ATSC OTA recorder is around $250.00 I probably would not even be making the compare.

-DonB2
post #156 of 254
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Originally Posted by Chuck44 View Post

Panasonic's 2007 models will not have hard drives.

.... for the models announced so far.

With the subsidized prices from both sat and cable cos, in these times of great technology change it makes little sense to invest a lot of money in hardware. OTOH if you are a basic cable sub or an OTA TV viewer, a DVDr, even a more expensive one with an HDD ($300?), can have a payback period (compared to prog+DVR fees) of as little as a few months.
post #157 of 254
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Originally Posted by DonB2 View Post

Roger Lococco,

Lites on and Coby are two I refer to as Generic that have major record issues.

In thepast when I recorded with the Coby the picture quality off of NTSC was very very good and much better than I get with a VCR. But it started having issues with recognising blank DVD's and failures during finalize adem nauseum.....

I could never be sure that a Coby recording I made would be available when I went to watch it. So for now I am back to my steam powered VCR using video input from my SAMSUNG ATSC tuner which produces tolerable timed recordings for me.

-DoNb2

I record from an ATSC tuner too(Ratshack Accurian),I can recommend that you get a PYE PY90DG(made by Funai) if it goes on sale at a good clearance price,anything below 79.99.It gets excellent user reviews at CC,and would be vastly superior to a vcr.Of course we're all wondering how long it will last,but I figure if I get 3-400 good burns with it,I would have gotten my money's worth.Also seems to finalize very quickly,less than 2 minutes,I've only used Verbatim +Rs.
post #158 of 254
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Originally Posted by DonB2 View Post

If I am going to drop 4 bills on an OTA ATSC only DVD/DVR recorder maybe I would be better off putting the money into Dish or Direct DVR and service for a couple of years.

Or just get a Tivo.. (including a DirecTivo..) and send the output to your existing hard drive/DVD recorder. I'm doing that with my S3 tivo, but I'm getting artifacts on the QAM channels on cable (not surprising since there are a kajillion splitters on the cable in our house -- half a kajillion in my room alone). I should probably pony up the dough to try an antenna to see if I can get any OTA HD channels. If anybody has an indoor antenna they want to get rid of cheap, PM me.
post #159 of 254
PYE PY90DG(made by Funai) ,

Thanks!

-DonB2
post #160 of 254
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Originally Posted by DonB2 View Post

PYE PY90DG(made by Funai) ,

Thanks!

-DonB2

Huh? Digital Tuner? for $80...don't think so. It doesn't even have digital audio out...talk about a cheap POS.....true meaning of a glorified analog tuner VCR.
post #161 of 254
both DonB2 and I already have ATSC tuners,so I just recommended a very reliable(so far) recorder(from my own and many other's experiences).
Sometimes what might have been thought of as a POS turns out to be pretty good,case in point,the PYE and Polaroid recorders.
glorified VCR?that's exactly what people want-something that will function 99.9% of the time,most dvd recorders fall short of that ideal,these el cheapo but reliable Funais seem to have achieved that elusive goal.
post #162 of 254
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Originally Posted by Roger Lococco View Post

both DonB2 and I already have ATSC tuners,so I just recommended a very reliable(so far) recorder(from my own and many other's experiences).
Sometimes what might have been thought of as a POS turns out to be pretty good,case in point,the PYE and Polaroid recorders.
glorified VCR?that's exactly what people want-something that will function 99.9% of the time,most dvd recorders fall short of that ideal,these el cheapo but reliable Funais seem to have achieved that elusive goal.

What confused me is that the title of this thread is " DVD recorders with digital tuners are coming!" and someone listed a recorder that doesn't have digital tuner. May be the greatest recorder since burnable DVD's, but it doesn't really have anything to do with this thread.

The fact that you can only output stereo sound (not digital (5.1, etc)) made me think that it is really a VCR with the tape replaced with a disc. At least with most others you get digital out which will allow you to have surround sound when playing back bought DVDs.

FYI, I'm with you and have 2 HD DVR's and an ATSC tuner / DVD combo...so my old E80H plays its role only when I want to archive.
post #163 of 254
sivartk ,

Sorry


I just want to make sure that when I fork up the money for a DVD ATSC RECORDER that it "hopefully" will pass thru ATSC in HD 16:9 format and downconvert HD 16:9 to also fit on a DVD and than upconvert it back to 16:9 Quasi HD. And that it will look descent on my Pioneer 43 Inch Plasma. I would also expect said recorder to have Surround Sound output. It would also be nice if said recorder had a built in upgradeable Hard Drive DVR recorder.

Component In would be nice as well as "Component out which is a must" since HDMI has plenty of issues.

If it does not have a Hard Drive DVR recorder it darn well better have a very reliable DVD recorder and software to work smoothly for finalizing and so on.

I just have this fear that I will fork out $300.00+ for a DVD ATSC Recorder with downconvert and upconvert and I will be unhappy with it and find that it fails to finalize, does not recognize a DVD that it just recorded the previous night , locks up for some unknown reason requiring the pulling of power plug with loss of set up, failure to recognise blank DVD in drive for timed recording when the DVD in the drive is a perfectly good one and my el' inexpensive Dell Laptop has no trouble recognising this blank DVD so why does the DVD recorder have trouble recognising it?

And does not run so hot that I could cook a Cony on it.

And that is how I basically rambled down to asking Roger what reliable DVD recorder he had in hopes that this company model "PYE PY90DG" would eventually come out with a DVD ATSC upconvert/Downconvert HD recorder that I would be happy with.

Again sorry to confuse you,

-DonB2
post #164 of 254
DonB2, I figure if anyone is going to come out with a recorder that meets your requirements, it will be Panasonic. They aren't making any HDD models this year, but they do have a history of making quality products. We will have to wait and see though.
post #165 of 254
Roger.

I was thinking about that on my ride in this morning. I need to wait until later in the summer to at least read some reviews on which manufactures are producing the most reliable equipment.

-DoNB2
post #166 of 254
My local Raleigh NC Best Buy near South Point Mall just got in the LG digital DVD/VCR recorder although they have not yet put it on the shelf.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....=1169512521998

or

http://*******.com/2zp9zg


Reg. Price: $299.99
You Save: $15.00Sale: $284.99


-DoNB2
post #167 of 254
I saw one today an Worst Buy and wasn't impressed with the unit. $230 and only composite input, no real styling...although I like the black. Just ho-hum...I don't see them selling that many as a "walk buy" doesn't grab your attention...if it does, the $130 Samsung sitting right next to it that will do the same thing, probably will move your eyes quickly (especially if you don't know or don't need the ATSC tuner)
post #168 of 254
sivartk,

This is what they posted on the Best Buy web site:

Inputs: analog audio, composite video, component video


Outputs: analog audio, HDMI, optical digital audio, coaxial digital audio, composite video, S-video, component video


As you see it says Component IN If you saw a store price of $230 are we talking the same unit?

The one I am talking about is the:

LG Multiformat DVD-R/-RW/+R/+R DL/+RW/RAM Recorder/VCR Combo

Model: RC797T

-DonB2
post #169 of 254
sivartk,

This is the one I think you are referring to. It is $230.00 and is not a VCR/DVD combo and I do not see where it has Component Input.

LG Multiformat DVD-R/-RW/+R/+RW/+R DL/RAM Recorder

Model: DR787T

I would not want this model either!!!!!

-Donb2
post #170 of 254
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Originally Posted by DonB2 View Post


Model: DR787T

I would not want this model either!!!!!

That is the one I saw, but their sign clearly stated that you could record digital TV signals...I didn't pay that much attention to the model numbers on the units and sign, but obviously they had something wrong....typical of them
post #171 of 254
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Originally Posted by DonB2 View Post

sivartk,

This is what they posted on the Best Buy web site:

Inputs: analog audio, composite video, component video
...
Model: RC797T

-DonB2

This is an error. I've physically seen them. they do not have component input.
post #172 of 254
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Originally Posted by DonB2 View Post

I just looked closely at a nicely packaged in Black Samsung VCR DVD recorder combo at Target but it did not have ATSC tuner.

-DonB2

Here is one that was the Consumer Electronics Show. They haven't released it yet.

http://hometheater.about.com/od/onth...er-w--ATSC.htm
post #173 of 254
My three year old Motorola HDT100 ATSC tuner died recently and I needed a replacement. I was thinking of buying just a replacement tuner but saw the DR787T at Best Buy which records DVD's as well as having the ATSC tuner so I bought that. Overpriced at $229.99 but works great. If anyone is interested, I wrote an extensive review here:

http://www.epinions.com/content_334627114628
post #174 of 254
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Originally Posted by sivartk View Post

I saw one today an Worst Buy and wasn't impressed with the unit. $230 and only composite input, no real styling...although I like the black. Just ho-hum...I don't see them selling that many as a "walk buy" doesn't grab your attention...if it does, the $130 Samsung sitting right next to it that will do the same thing, probably will move your eyes quickly (especially if you don't know or don't need the ATSC tuner)


Good point. What if you need the QAM tuner? My tuner in my Panasonic 60u is horrible. I keep waiting for DVR/DVD burner to come out with the tuner.
post #175 of 254
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Originally Posted by adazzleman View Post

Good point. What if you need the QAM tuner? My tuner in my Panasonic 60u is horrible. I keep waiting for DVR/DVD burner to come out with the tuner.

The tuner in the LG DR787T decodes QAM as well as NTSC/ATSC.
post #176 of 254
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Originally Posted by otaguy View Post

The tuner in the LG DR787T decodes QAM as well as NTSC/ATSC.


That is what I hear. Now if they will just come out with a DVR....not tivo....that has this feature.
post #177 of 254
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Originally Posted by otaguy View Post

My three year old Motorola HDT100 ATSC tuner died recently and I needed a replacement. I was thinking of buying just a replacement tuner but saw the DR787T at Best Buy which records DVD's as well as having the ATSC tuner so I bought that. Overpriced at $229.99 but works great. If anyone is interested, I wrote an extensive review here:

http://www.epinions.com/content_334627114628

I think there are other comments in the 'First ATSC/QAM tuner recorder LGDR78T' thread that indicate this HD recorders DOES NOT PASS an HD signal out. It will allow you to pull in an HD signal and down rez it to copy or output but does not pass the HD signal out even through the HDMI port. What you get is a downrezzed and then uprezzed signal out that port.
post #178 of 254
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Originally Posted by adazzleman View Post

That is what I hear. Now if they will just come out with a DVR....not tivo....that has this feature.


That's exactly what I want. I don't think anyone is making one yet. The AutumnWave Creator will let you record HDTV to a PC's hard drive, with the recording in full HD, but what I want is a stand alone unit that will record to a hard drive with no monthly subscription fee. My PC is in a different room from my TV, and I don't want to buy another PC just to record TV. So I bought the LG DR787T DVD recorder instead.
post #179 of 254
All of the HD DVR's with QAM tuners have been discontinued (other than TiVo and Cable Company boxes). Luckily, I was able to pick up two Sony DHG-HDD250's for under $300 total
post #180 of 254
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Originally Posted by sivartk View Post

All of the HD DVR's with QAM tuners have been discontinued (other than TiVo and Cable Company boxes). Luckily, I was able to pick up two Sony DHG-HDD250's for under $300 total

I guess the only place I can find one of those now is on Ebay hugh??
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