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post #1591 of 2184
10/18/07 at 7:56pm
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Originally Posted by Guru View Post

I know this question is a bit out of the realm of discussion here but where is the best place to pick up a new Xbox 360 Premium with HDMI output? Any places have better pricing than Amazon?

You will probably get more/better responses in the XBox area: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forum...ysprune=&f=141

Prices will probably not vary much between retailers unless they are bundles.
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post #1592 of 2184
10/19/07 at 6:26am
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Originally Posted by pierrebnh View Post

Yes, Transformers and others have problems addressed by this patch.

Any news on when this is coming out? Is it going to be like an XBOX360 Fall Update?
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post #1593 of 2184
10/19/07 at 6:34am
Is the HD-DVD add-on supposed to be able to read CDs? I put a CD in it and the XBox 360 didn't recognize it.
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post #1594 of 2184
10/19/07 at 8:33am
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Originally Posted by Neo_Reloaded View Post

Is the HD-DVD add-on supposed to be able to read CDs? I put a CD in it and the XBox 360 didn't recognize it.

Nope. Only the main Xbox drive will recognize CDs.
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post #1595 of 2184
10/19/07 at 9:11am
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Originally Posted by Mark Danger View Post

I just switched from component to VGA so that my xbox will upconvert my regular DVD's to 720p. I cannot see any noticable difference in quality at the xbox dashboard and obviously the upscaled DVD's look fantastic compared to my component setup. I am projecting through an HD70. Perhaps you are using too long of a VGA cable?

I'm using Microsofts official VGA cable so no problems with that. I do not doubt that you are getting good results since you are using a projector. I am using an LCD Sammy which I think don't work to well with VGA cables.
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post #1596 of 2184
10/19/07 at 12:09pm
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Originally Posted by mickey79 View Post

Any news on when this is coming out? Is it going to be like an XBOX360 Fall Update?

They say they're working hard at it. Mostly the issues are around downloadable content, so the movie should play fine...
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post #1597 of 2184
10/20/07 at 9:02am
My 360 is set to output 1080p via component to my TV (my 360 doesn't have HDMI). I like having the 1080p for the games, but I'm thinking I'll probably pick up the HD-DVD drive. I know that it won't display 1080p for HD-DVDs via component, and I'm okay with that (I don't think there would be much difference between 1080i/p on my TV for movies anyway). However, for games I want to stick with 1080p. If I have it set for 1080p...will it automatically default to 1080i for HD-DVD? I don't want to have to mess with changing the output from 1080i to 1080p every time I play a game or vice versa.

Sorry if this has been answered. I've run a limited search and read through numerous pages and haven't come up with anything. Any help is appreciated.

EDIT: I do have a VGA cable and can use that if needed...but is it still not as vibrant as component? I guess I could just buy the HD-DVD drive and try all this out and return it if I don't like it, but I'm not a huge proponent of the "buy and try" method and would prefer to have a pretty good idea of where I stand.

EDIT 2: I have a Sony A3000 SXRD TV if anybody has a similar setup.
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post #1598 of 2184
10/20/07 at 12:21pm
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Originally Posted by BoBoish View Post

My 360 is set to output 1080p via component to my TV (my 360 doesn't have HDMI). I like having the 1080p for the games, but I'm thinking I'll probably pick up the HD-DVD drive. I know that it won't display 1080p for HD-DVDs via component, and I'm okay with that (I don't think there would be much difference between 1080i/p on my TV for movies anyway). However, for games I want to stick with 1080p. If I have it set for 1080p...will it automatically default to 1080i for HD-DVD? I don't want to have to mess with changing the output from 1080i to 1080p every time I play a game or vice versa.

Sorry if this has been answered. I've run a limited search and read through numerous pages and haven't come up with anything. Any help is appreciated.

EDIT: I do have a VGA cable and can use that if needed...but is it still not as vibrant as component? I guess I could just buy the HD-DVD drive and try all this out and return it if I don't like it, but I'm not a huge proponent of the "buy and try" method and would prefer to have a pretty good idea of where I stand.

EDIT 2: I have a Sony A3000 SXRD TV if anybody has a similar setup.

I have the exact same TV and setup as you do. I had the Xbox hooked up with component at first, just like you. Set it to 1080p for games, and when I put in an HDDVD, it automatically changes to a 1080i for the movie. I changed to the VGA cable though, so that I can watch upconverted DVD's using the drive. I was able to tweak the picture so that it looks as good as using component IMO.
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post #1599 of 2184
10/20/07 at 2:59pm
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Originally Posted by huffphil View Post

I have the exact same TV and setup as you do. I had the Xbox hooked up with component at first, just like you. Set it to 1080p for games, and when I put in an HDDVD, it automatically changes to a 1080i for the movie. I changed to the VGA cable though, so that I can watch upconverted DVD's using the drive. I was able to tweak the picture so that it looks as good as using component IMO.

That's exactly what I was looking for. Thanks for you help!
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post #1600 of 2184
10/21/07 at 9:45am
I am having trouble with the sound in Transformers in HD. I have an old premium with the component cables, but I am using an optical cable for the audio. I also have a Denon 3808 receiver. When I am playing a game on the xbox the receiver shows Dolby Digital, but when the Transformers movie is running the receiver changes to PL II. It appears that the only sound source on Transformers is Dolby Digital Plus. I believe you need an HDMI connection to output DD+, but is there a way to output this as just Dolby Digital? Because I was unempressed with the sound when outputed at PLII.
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post #1601 of 2184
10/21/07 at 10:28am
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Originally Posted by fordracefan View Post

I am having trouble with the sound in Transformers in HD. I have an old premium with the component cables, but I am using an optical cable for the audio. I also have a Denon 3808 receiver. When I am playing a game on the xbox the receiver shows Dolby Digital, but when the Transformers movie is running the receiver changes to PL II. It appears that the only sound source on Transformers is Dolby Digital Plus. I believe you need an HDMI connection to output DD+, but is there a way to output this as just Dolby Digital? Because I was unempressed with the sound when outputed at PLII.

As you mentioned, you cannot output DD+, Dolby True HD or DTS-HD through optical. The 360 will convert these to Dolby Digital or DTS (or WM Pro). You can change the Audio output in movie by hitting the B key I believe on the controller, and selecting Audio Options. Try switching to DTS and see if you notice a difference.
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post #1602 of 2184
10/21/07 at 7:19pm
Just purchased the X360 HD-DVD add-on from Best Buy and was wondering if there is any audio option menu from the dashboard? I remember seeing one a few months back but I've searched the forums page by page and can't find it. Appreciate any help.
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post #1603 of 2184
10/21/07 at 10:31pm
put an hd-dvd in, push the B on your controller select 'advanced' and 'audio options'. set DRC to off and output to DTS (if your AVR supports it).
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post #1604 of 2184
10/22/07 at 6:32am
Does this have to be done for every movie?
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post #1605 of 2184
10/22/07 at 6:44am
Thanks for the help, it sounded much better. If you have the remote you can hit display, and then go to the right 3 or 4 until you get to digital audio options. It will give you 4 options (Digital Stereo, Dolby Digital 5.1, DTS, and WMA) It will also give you an option for DRC.
My receiver supports both, but what is the difference between DD5.1, and DTS? Which is better?
Also, I don't think this is the right forum, but what is LFE?
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post #1606 of 2184
10/22/07 at 8:22am
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Originally Posted by gman99 View Post

Does this have to be done for every movie?

no, just once.
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post #1607 of 2184
10/22/07 at 8:25am
Well, I watched Transformers last night with the DTS setting on my HD-DVD add-on and made sure compression was set to off (or whatever the exact verbiage under the audio selection is). Watched the movie and it sounded good, but not spectacular like I had read here.

So, I did some experimentation and changed it over to Dolby 5.1 in the menu. That did the trick! The bass was 10 fold stronger and the room came to life. I know the volume seems to dip going to DTS, so I adjusted to compensate. Any ideas why this would happen?
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post #1608 of 2184
10/22/07 at 8:36am
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Originally Posted by fordracefan View Post

Thanks for the help, it sounded much better. If you have the remote you can hit display, and then go to the right 3 or 4 until you get to digital audio options. It will give you 4 options (Digital Stereo, Dolby Digital 5.1, DTS, and WMA) It will also give you an option for DRC.
My receiver supports both, but what is the difference between DD5.1, and DTS? Which is better?
Also, I don't think this is the right forum, but what is LFE?

DTS should be a very slight improvement as it has more bandwidth than DD. Although they're not using the same software to encode the sound, it's believed that the additional bandwidth loses less audio quality from the track on the disc. The difference isn't going to be dramatic.

LFE = Low Frequency Effects = Bass.
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post #1609 of 2184
10/22/07 at 8:44am
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Originally Posted by Chris Rein View Post

Well, I watched Transformers last night with the DTS setting on my HD-DVD add-on and made sure compression was set to off (or whatever the exact verbiage under the audio selection is). Watched the movie and it sounded good, but not spectacular like I had read here.

So, I did some experimentation and changed it over to Dolby 5.1 in the menu. That did the trick! The bass was 10 fold stronger and the room came to life. I know the volume seems to dip going to DTS, so I adjusted to compensate. Any ideas why this would happen?

Oh boy, yes. This is what's supposed to happen: Movie soundtracks are encoded with -10dB for LFE versus the rest of the audio for both DD and DTS. All AVRs are supposed to boost the LFE the corresponding +10dB when playing the soundtracks back. However, some do it properly for DD but not for DTS because they are broken, or some just don't do it by design and tell you so in the manual...

Either way, you have to adjust manually...

Ain't audio fun?
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post #1610 of 2184
10/22/07 at 8:57am
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Originally Posted by pierrebnh View Post

Oh boy, yes. This is what's supposed to happen: Movie soundtracks are encoded with -10dB for LFE versus the rest of the audio for both DD and DTS. All AVRs are supposed to boost the LFE the corresponding +10dB when playing the soundtracks back. However, some do it properly for DD but not for DTS because they are broken, or some just don't do it by design and tell you so in the manual...

Either way, you have to adjust manually...

Ain't audio fun?

Wonderful. I'll have to consult my Parasound Halo C1 manual to make sure it does this. I've never really had a problem...or one that I noticed...like I did last night.
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post #1611 of 2184
10/22/07 at 9:41am
Well some people have reported having issues with the TF LFE specifically, but I have not...I'm not sure if your experience matches theirs.
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post #1612 of 2184
10/22/07 at 12:07pm
This is interesting - I thought keeping the Digital Audio Format in the Display -> Audio settings in the HD-DVD menu at DTS gave better sound then DD5.1 !! I'll have to go home and "hear" the difference. I've read multiple posts now of people finding better Bass and sound in DD5.1 then DTS.

Initially I was suggested over & over to keep it at DTS for "louder" sound.
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post #1613 of 2184
10/22/07 at 1:08pm
I have a friend who just bought this ad on. I thought that we read that HD dvd's will display 1080p over component, just not upconvert standard dvd's more than 480p via component. Is this correct?
Or does he have to get a VGA cable to get 1080p from HD titles?
Thanks.
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post #1614 of 2184
10/22/07 at 1:18pm
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Originally Posted by newguy416 View Post

I have a friend who just bought this ad on. I thought that we read that HD dvd's will display 1080p over component, just not upconvert standard dvd's more than 480p via component. Is this correct?
Or does he have to get a VGA cable to get 1080p from HD titles?
Thanks.

Only 1080i over component. That includes ALL HD DVD and Blu-ray players, they are all limited to 1080i over component.

If your TV is native 1080p it should deinterlace the 1080i transmission of the 1080p source and display it as 1080p.

1080p/24 signal sent as 1080i/60 de-interlaced to 1080p/30. As long as your TV handles the 3:2 pulldown properly you won't see a difference between that and sending the TV a 1080p signal.
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post #1615 of 2184
10/22/07 at 2:03pm
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Originally Posted by tcrews View Post

Only 1080i over component. That includes ALL HD DVD and Blu-ray players, they are all limited to 1080i over component.

If your TV is native 1080p it should deinterlace the 1080i transmission of the 1080p source and display it as 1080p.

1080p/24 signal sent as 1080i/60 de-interlaced to 1080p/30. As long as your TV handles the 3:2 pulldown properly you won't see a difference between that and sending the TV a 1080p signal.

Thank you.
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post #1616 of 2184
10/22/07 at 4:11pm
I'm considering purchasing the new XCM analog to HDMI converter for the 1st generation Xbox. Will using this new device upconvert standard DVDs?
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post #1617 of 2184
10/22/07 at 10:20pm
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Originally Posted by Chris Rein View Post

Well, I watched Transformers last night with the DTS setting on my HD-DVD add-on and made sure compression was set to off (or whatever the exact verbiage under the audio selection is). Watched the movie and it sounded good, but not spectacular like I had read here.

So, I did some experimentation and changed it over to Dolby 5.1 in the menu. That did the trick! The bass was 10 fold stronger and the room came to life. I know the volume seems to dip going to DTS, so I adjusted to compensate. Any ideas why this would happen?

Same problem here. Onkyo 605 + 360 Elite via HDMI. DD 5.1 sounds miles better, fuller, bassier than the DTS track in Transfomers. Much more natural.
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post #1618 of 2184
10/23/07 at 5:52am
What about other discs? Is it just Transformers where DD5.1 is sounding better then DTS? Has anyone tried this compare on other movies?
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post #1619 of 2184
10/23/07 at 6:49am
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Originally Posted by mickey79 View Post

What about other discs? Is it just Transformers where DD5.1 is sounding better then DTS? Has anyone tried this compare on other movies?

I think that's configuration specific. I did a test last night on different discs, Transformer included, comparing DD+, True HD with Xbox 360 set to either DD 5.1 or DTS. On my setup (Panasonic XR25 with optical audio connection), I can't tell any different in sound levels and bass levels.
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post #1620 of 2184
10/23/07 at 8:36am
Perhaps because I'm using HDMI exclusively? I also popped in Batman Begins and have the same issue. Well, first, the TrueHD audio is out of sync (what the heck does the 360 HD DVD drive do with TrueHD?), and the DD 5.1 track is punchier when set to DD 5.1 in the advanced options.
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