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post #241 of 2184
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Originally Posted by lordcloud View Post

This is my first post, but I am no newbie. I have to agree that great audio is not a necessary component of HD. I have only my speakers in my television to hear movies through and I still love good HD. Great audio can add to the experience and then become an essential part of it. But video is forst and foremost when it comes to HD. Logcally, audio is just the second step, and great audio is not an necesarry one.

i think you will find yourself in the severe minority around here if you are listening to your dvd's through your tv's speakers.
post #242 of 2184
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Originally Posted by union1411 View Post

Bought the 360 and the add-on last night.

King Kong looked way better than anything on hd cable (many of the scenes were 3D-ish).

Player worked great, love the menu, and load times were fast.

However, King Kong is a boring movie, as are many of the released movies (Phantom, Last Samurai, Vendetta, etc). So, I found myself skipping to certain scenes. I looked at the release schedule for HD-DVDs (and BluRay) and I wasn't excited. It's like 5 or so movies a month and I just can't get excited about a boring movie like Superman Returns or World Trade Center or whatever.

So, although the PQ was fantastic, the content is just not really there. So I just don't feel like I'm getting bang for the buck (one mediocre (plotwise) movie a week just doesn't do it for me).......

Wow......so I guess there aren't enough mindless action flicks to peak your interest? I feel sorry for you. The rest of us will enjoy all the GOOD movies currently out on HD DVD.

P.S. - I still can't believe you think The Last Samurai and V for Vendetta are boring.......
post #243 of 2184
XBOX360 HD-DVD add-on owners, please make a report here.:

http://www.videohelp.com/dvdplayers....arch&#comments
post #244 of 2184
I must say I'm highly impressed with the add-on and HD-DVD in general. I expected a marginal increase in quality from my upconverted SD-DVDs. Boy was I wrong. It does truly seem "3Dish" in some scenes.

I used a 30 dollar gift rebate I had at Amazon on it, so for 169.99 I feel like I've already more then got my money's worth out of it.
post #245 of 2184
again the quality of hd-dvd is amazing and it is really tough to go back to regular dvd/hd cable. but looking at the catalog of movies available and that will available in the next monrth or two:

a) alot of the movies just don't do it for me and are the types where i would fast forward. i mean corpse bride, last samurai, supaerman returns, king kong, etc., just are not great movies that i get into. kinda reminds of dvd-a/sacd. i was floored by the quality but i just wasn't into steely dan and fleetwood mac.

b) alot of the movies on hd-dvd (and bluray) i've already seen. how many times can i watch training day, full metal jacket, phantom, batman returns? these are on cable alot and although, yeah i can rewatch and be impressed by the pq, it's just not enough to hold my attention for 2 hours.


anyways, great pq. but until there are a lot of movies (like i can walk into blockbuster and select from great movies i have not seen before, or movies that i would like to watch again in hd (like star wars, gladiator, cars, whatever) then i am just going to wait
post #246 of 2184
I'm actually pretty impressed with the NetFlix selection. A lot of the future titles I have saved in my queue will have HD-DVD versions available. I'm not sure how many HD-DVD movies I'll go back and replace my SD-DVD's with, but I do intend on renting a TON of them.

Now, if they give me a Matrix Trilogy HD-DVD Box Set, I'd be all over that.
post #247 of 2184
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Originally Posted by Gspotter View Post

Can someone please tell me what is used as the audio outputs? Optical, coax, RCA's? Thanks in advance


Anyone?
post #248 of 2184
I'm debating on buying this drive, as I've gotten my hands on that $40 coupon for Circuit City, so the temptation is stronger than ever, lol.

My question is, should I even bother? I have a 50 inch Sony KDF-E2000, which only goes up to 1080i, not 1080p. Since I am unable to reach the full potential of the HD-DVD drive, I'm not sure if I should even buy the drive, and wondering if I should just stick with my upconverting NS75H Sony.

Any thoughts?
post #249 of 2184
I have the 50E2000. @ 1080i, king kong looks amazing. Haven't seen my tv produce a better picture.
post #250 of 2184
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Originally Posted by oh_riginal View Post

I'm debating on buying this drive, as I've gotten my hands on that $40 coupon for Circuit City, so the temptation is stronger than ever, lol.

My question is, should I even bother? I have a 50 inch Sony KDF-E2000, which only goes up to 1080i, not 1080p. Since I am unable to reach the full potential of the HD-DVD drive, I'm not sure if I should even buy the drive, and wondering if I should just stick with my upconverting NS75H Sony.

Any thoughts?


I have a 40" Sony Bravia LCD TV that does only 1080i, and I notice a HUGE difference from SD to HD-DVD, especially with the "really good" titles (Corpse Bride, Batman Begins, V for Vendetta, etc)

Your 50 inch should look fantastic.
post #251 of 2184
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Originally Posted by oh_riginal View Post

I'm debating on buying this drive, as I've gotten my hands on that $40 coupon for Circuit City, so the temptation is stronger than ever, lol.

My question is, should I even bother? I have a 50 inch Sony KDF-E2000, which only goes up to 1080i, not 1080p. Since I am unable to reach the full potential of the HD-DVD drive, I'm not sure if I should even buy the drive, and wondering if I should just stick with my upconverting NS75H Sony.

Any thoughts?

For movies, which are filmed at 24fps, there's no visible difference between 1080i and 1080p. If I'm not mistaken, you'll get the same great picture as those of us with 1080p TVs.
post #252 of 2184
I hooked up my HD-DVD drive to my Xbox360 last night, and watched "Aeon Flux" for my first HD-DVD movie experience. I have a 60" SXRD XBR1 and set my 360 to output 1080i.

I thought the picture looked really good. I'm no super-videophile, but I really enjoy my XBR1 and even now, a year later, I am very impressed with football games broadcast in HD. So the movie looked really good.

But not so much so that I was jumping up and down about it. I haven't watched a regular DVD in a couple of weeks, so maybe I need to do that in order to be more impressed. So let me say again, the picture looked really good.....maybe even really really good.....but not necessarily "OMG this is ridiculous" good.

For $200 I give it a definite thumbs up. Had i dropped $500 on a standalone, maybe I'm not so happy.

Now the sound, that was really nice. I've been reading these threads about how crappy and flat the sound is from the add-on drive, but I liked it. A lot. There was only DD+ to choose, not TrueHD, and yes it gets converted to DD.....but the thing that made it noticeable was that my 8" surrounds were kept busy and that was excellent for the atmosphere of the movie.

So the bottom line is this: yea verily, I'm happy. I'm not, however, falling down ecstatic. And that is okay.
post #253 of 2184
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Originally Posted by union1411 View Post

Bought the 360 and the add-on last night.

King Kong looked way better than anything on hd cable (many of the scenes were 3D-ish).

Player worked great, love the menu, and load times were fast.

However, King Kong is a boring movie, as are many of the released movies (Phantom, Last Samurai, Vendetta, etc). So, I found myself skipping to certain scenes. I looked at the release schedule for HD-DVDs (and BluRay) and I wasn't excited. It's like 5 or so movies a month and I just can't get excited about a boring movie like Superman Returns or World Trade Center or whatever.

So, although the PQ was fantastic, the content is just not really there. So I just don't feel like I'm getting bang for the buck (one mediocre (plotwise) movie a week just doesn't do it for me).

As for the 360, I rented a couple of highly rated games, they looked good on my 50 inch 1080i display, but I got bored quickly and think the graphics are just overhyped. I like the graphics, quality, depth, and immersion of PC games much more.

So, for $600, I'm going to put my money towards something that will have more utility. Even my gf, who works in the tv industry, got bored after a few minutes of Kong and decided to vacuum the living room instead.

The experience reminded me of when I got into DVD-A/SACD a few years ago. Great quality but little content or demand.


You sound like the type of person that nothing ever makes them happy, you must live a pretty boring life.
post #254 of 2184
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Originally Posted by Gspotter View Post

Can someone please tell me what is used as the audio outputs? Optical, coax, RCA's? Thanks in advance


^
post #255 of 2184
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Originally Posted by Damed View Post

I have a 40" Sony Bravia LCD TV that does only 1080i, and I notice a HUGE difference from SD to HD-DVD, especially with the "really good" titles (Corpse Bride, Batman Begins, V for Vendetta, etc)

Your 50 inch should look fantastic.

Correct me if i'm wrong but arent all LCD tv's progressive (1080p)?
post #256 of 2184
The HD-DVD drive has NO A/V outputs of its own, merely a USB connection to the XBOX 360 to pass the data stream.

The outputs are the same as what you have for the 360 now:
Best Video choices: Component or VGA (the VGA plug/setup is having issues now though)
Best Audio choice: toslink fiber optic
(though you can also get simple analog stereo out; there are no analog multichannel (i.e. more than sterero) outputs from the 360)
post #257 of 2184
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Originally Posted by Gspotter View Post

^

DD is output via optical. The AV cables also have 2 RCA connectors for stereo output.
post #258 of 2184
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Originally Posted by MSpeed6 View Post

I have the 50E2000. @ 1080i, king kong looks amazing. Haven't seen my tv produce a better picture.

Why are you guys setting your Sony RP LCD sets to 1080i? Those are 720p fixed pixel displays.
post #259 of 2184
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Originally Posted by Rhett_in_SoCal View Post

I hooked up my HD-DVD drive to my Xbox360 last night, and watched "Aeon Flux" for my first HD-DVD movie experience. I have a 60" SXRD XBR1 and set my 360 to output 1080i.

I thought the picture looked really good. I'm no super-videophile, but I really enjoy my XBR1 and even now, a year later, I am very impressed with football games broadcast in HD. So the movie looked really good.

But not so much so that I was jumping up and down about it. I haven't watched a regular DVD in a couple of weeks, so maybe I need to do that in order to be more impressed. So let me say again, the picture looked really good.....maybe even really really good.....but not necessarily "OMG this is ridiculous" good.

For $200 I give it a definite thumbs up. Had i dropped $500 on a standalone, maybe I'm not so happy.

Exactly. This is such an easy decision to make at $200, if you already have a 360. I'm still not prepared to spend $500 on a standalone.

Even with the TrueHD audio sync issues, $200 is OK, since I can just stick with the DD+ tracks and pretend the discs don't have TrueHD.

However, if I had spent $500 on a player and had these issues, I'd be freaking right out right now.
post #260 of 2184
Hey all -
Sorry if this has been answered, I tried to go through the 9 pages or so as fast as I could, but didn't see this addressed.

I'm a bit confused. I was always told that HD DVD's will down-convert / down-res over component video, the only way you could get true HD was across something like a HDMI / DVI input. Is this true? I'm a bit confused now.

Second question... I have a Samsung HLR.. 42 inch.. No VGA input.. Max 1080i.
My Xbox is of course hooked up with component since VGA is not an option.
Is this worth the buy? I was spooked about even venturing in on the add-on since I was under the impression that HD movies would not play HD quality over component.

Any help on this would be greatly appreciated.

Regards,
P
post #261 of 2184
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Originally Posted by PDonthate View Post

Hey all -
Sorry if this has been answered, I tried to go through the 9 pages or so as fast as I could, but didn't see this addressed.

I'm a bit confused. I was always told that HD DVD's will down-convert / down-res over component video, the only way you could get true HD was across something like a HDMI / DVI input. Is this true? I'm a bit confused now.

Second question... I have a Samsung HLR.. 42 inch.. No VGA input.. Max 1080i.
My Xbox is of course hooked up with component since VGA is not an option.
Is this worth the buy? I was spooked about even venturing in on the add-on since I was under the impression that HD movies would not play HD quality over component.

Any help on this would be greatly appreciated.

Regards,
P

It works directly via the same component cables you have hooked up to your TV and will display 1080i just fine.
post #262 of 2184
Ok, went back and read a few more things, and the more I read, the more I am getting sold on this add-on for $200...

Now for hopefully my final question.

Even though my display can do 1080i, the native resolution of it is 720p. Whenever I ask anyone what I should play in I've always been told "Set the Xbox to 720p for games, that's the native resolution" - "Set the cable box to 720p" blah blah blah.

I see plenty of people here saying that they are playing the HD DVD in 1080i. Is that what I would stick with even though the native resolution is 720p?
Should I disregard what I have been told and start playing games in 1080i also?

Sorry, just a bot confused now.

Regards,
P
post #263 of 2184
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Originally Posted by PDonthate View Post

Should I disregard what I have been told and start playing games in 1080i also?

I would not if I were you. 720p60 can show motion better than 1080i60. So for games (and over the air sports on ABC or FOX) 720p60 is better. For best detail from 1080p24 movies sent through 1080i60 flagged connections use the 1080i connection.
post #264 of 2184
Thanks, I appreciate the feedback.

Regards,
P
post #265 of 2184
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Originally Posted by Rhett_in_SoCal View Post

I hooked up my HD-DVD drive to my Xbox360 last night, and watched "Aeon Flux" for my first HD-DVD movie experience. I have a 60" SXRD XBR1 and set my 360 to output 1080i.

I thought the picture looked really good. I'm no super-videophile, but I really enjoy my XBR1 and even now, a year later, I am very impressed with football games broadcast in HD. So the movie looked really good.

But not so much so that I was jumping up and down about it. I haven't watched a regular DVD in a couple of weeks, so maybe I need to do that in order to be more impressed. So let me say again, the picture looked really good.....maybe even really really good.....but not necessarily "OMG this is ridiculous" good.

For $200 I give it a definite thumbs up. Had i dropped $500 on a standalone, maybe I'm not so happy.

Now the sound, that was really nice. I've been reading these threads about how crappy and flat the sound is from the add-on drive, but I liked it. A lot. There was only DD+ to choose, not TrueHD, and yes it gets converted to DD.....but the thing that made it noticeable was that my 8" surrounds were kept busy and that was excellent for the atmosphere of the movie.

So the bottom line is this: yea verily, I'm happy. I'm not, however, falling down ecstatic. And that is okay.

It actually has a DTS track. I watched it with the DTS and it sounded great.
post #266 of 2184
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Originally Posted by PDonthate View Post

Ok, went back and read a few more things, and the more I read, the more I am getting sold on this add-on for $200...

Now for hopefully my final question.

Even though my display can do 1080i, the native resolution of it is 720p. Whenever I ask anyone what I should play in I've always been told "Set the Xbox to 720p for games, that's the native resolution" - "Set the cable box to 720p" blah blah blah.

I see plenty of people here saying that they are playing the HD DVD in 1080i. Is that what I would stick with even though the native resolution is 720p?
Should I disregard what I have been told and start playing games in 1080i also?

Sorry, just a bot confused now.

Regards,
P

It depends on which device does a better job of down-converting your xBox or your HDTV. If you set the output to 1080i then your HDTV will do the down converting to 720p and if the output is set to 720p the xBox is doing the down conversion. I would try it both ways and select the one that looks better to me.
post #267 of 2184
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Originally Posted by BuGsArEtAsTy View Post

Exactly. This is such an easy decision to make at $200, if you already have a 360. I'm still not prepared to spend $500 on a standalone.

Even with the TrueHD audio sync issues, $200 is OK, since I can just stick with the DD+ tracks and pretend the discs don't have TrueHD.

However, if I had spent $500 on a player and had these issues, I'd be freaking right out right now.

Don't forget there is still potential for firmware updates through Xbox Live......so all these issues can be addressed.
post #268 of 2184
the above post is correct - for instance, my projector (infocus) seems to be doing a better job of downscaling to 720p than the xbox is so i have set the xbox at 1080i for now for movies. not sure if the games are 1080i/720p but they look pretty much the same to me now that i have that setting changed.
post #269 of 2184
audio sync problems with xbox 360 hd-dvd add-on

I noticed significant lip sync problems with "grand Prix" hd-dvd. To my eyes and ears the voices are delayed compared to video. It was so noticeable to me that i thought i was watching a dubbed foreign film. I can understand, however, how many would overlook it if they were not paying close attention. According to review of this hd-dvd at high-def digest website this movie has "dolby digital plus" soundtrack only. Their review makes no mention of audiosync problems, which makes me suspect that the 360 add-on is the culprit. Unfortunately, I do not possess a stand alone hd-dvd player to do a/b comparison. FWIW i am using official xbox 360 hd/av cable with optical into a yamaha receiver. sony 32" xbr1 lcd.
post #270 of 2184
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Originally Posted by eps3 View Post

audio sync problems with xbox 360 hd-dvd add-on

I noticed significant lip sync problems with "grand Prix" hd-dvd. To my eyes and ears the voices are delayed compared to video. It was so noticeable to me that i thought i was watching a dubbed foreign film. I can understand, however, how many would overlook it if they were not paying close attention. According to review of this hd-dvd at high-def digest website this movie has "dolby digital plus" soundtrack only. Their review makes no mention of audiosync problems, which makes me suspect that the 360 add-on is the culprit. Unfortunately, I do not possess a stand alone hd-dvd player to do a/b comparison. FWIW i am using official xbox 360 hd/av cable with optical into a yamaha receiver. sony 32" xbr1 lcd.

You have posted this in 5 different threads, word for word. I think we get the message.
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