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post #61 of 134
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Originally Posted by Soccerdude View Post

You have no clue about the game of soccer, there's no other sport like the game of soccer. American football and baseball have these out of shape guys playing a game with 400 timeouts during a 60 minute game which is great for tv to sell you junk. With American football they have oxygen tanks on the sideline so these FAT & out of shape players can breath between what ever they do on the field.

Please...I love all sports...except stupid one like cricket, but there is no need to insult football and praise soccer. I love them both.

You can't say that there are 400 timeouts, football has 6 the whole game . But don't come here and talk about junk and ads when soccer is full of it and they wish they could do it like American sports. Yes the clock stops so the TV stations can show you ads about JUNK, but I like that alot more than having ADS on your players chest and all around the stadium and now even on the grass on each side of the goals. The fact remains that the clubs are business entities and they are there to make money. At least with Football, Basketball, and baseball when the commercials are on...you can change the channel...soccer you have to keep watching the ads all around and even when they have close ups of the players.

Here is my take on why SOCCER is not as successful in the US. All of the games we love, have imaginary beginnings and endings multiple of times during the game. for instance, basketball every time a basket is made the game kind of RESTARTS again, the same goes for baseball with every pitch followed by a hit or not and football with every down. Soccer on the other hand is a continuous two 45 minute periods. Maybe we have a short attention span or whatever you want to say, but that just doesn't sit too well with us here in the US.

Now for the question as to why kids stop playing soccer, well is hormones. When we get to high school, the girls go for the football, basketball and more less baseball players. Those games required players to be kind of bulky and weight-lift a bit. Soccer on the other hand had skinnier and faster guys. That is why not so many guys are willing to pursue the sport. I know because I was in HS just like many of you and almost everyone knew the QB and RB of our school but no one knew if we had a soccer team. Soccer players were always made fun of for being weak and compared to girls. That is another reason why girl's soccer is much more successful here, because they are not afraid of playing the sport, what are they going to call them.....you play like a girl?

Now lastly my take on why soccer hasn't worked well with American TV beside the fact you can't cut to commercial breaks. Sports that are successful in the US have the element of POWER demonstrated throughout the game. Watch any NFL game and you will see so many hard hits and tackles that knock out other teams players cold. Watch any NBA game and will you at least a couple of dunks that will bring down the house. Any MLB game should feature a couple of "outta here" and "SEE YOU LATER" home runs. Soccer in contrary show grown up MEN, crawling on the the ground to get the refs attention, and not even a minute later he is PERFECTLY FINE. We don't like that at all here in the US. We don't want you to cheat your way to winning the game or getting a cheap foul. We would much rather watch our team lose when they are giving it all they got than watching a team win by cheating the refs. The NBA and MLB has players that complain about calls but none would stay on the ground and roll back and forth and make the refs think he is in unbearable pain.

Again, this was my take on the subject.
post #62 of 134
Discussing the topic of why soccer isn't more popular is useless, IMO, although interesting fodder for internet forums.

Look, first, when someone goes out of their way to tell you why what YOU like isn't worth watching it's usually because they need to feel better about what THEY like. Otherwise, why spend the time?

Second, the enjoyment of sports is so little about the "native excitement" of a game and so much about experiences and memories it's ridiculous. You want to plunk someone who's NEVER seen ANY sport down in front of a soccer match, a baseball game, a cricket match and a basketball game and ask them which they find "exciting"? Chances are they'll be asleep, or at least thinking of something else, way before you get the chance. Hey, if excitement was the most important component of a sport then ice hockey would be a heck of a lot more popular than it is: if it was scoring then it's GOT to be basketball (has the highest average score, no?). Soccer isn't popular here because it doesn't have much of a history and it's not clear that it will be able to make inroads in the presence of the big three. Ten or twenty years is a DROP IN THE BUCKET when you're talking about developing a sport.

Hey, look, I'm as conservative as they come and I couldn't watch baseball if you drugged me. Love soccer. But what YOU like is so personal it's ridiculous (but fun) to try and work it out logically, again, at least IMO.

=NLK=
post #63 of 134
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Originally Posted by TVJunkyMonkey View Post

You can't say that there are 400 timeouts, football has 6 the whole game

Actually there are 12 timeouts. Each team gets 3 in each half. NFL also has the two minute warning in the 2nd and 4th qtrs. That's 14 and then almost every change of possession gets a TV timeout. MLS might wish it were as popular as the big 4 but I don't think anyone complains about the lack of interruptions. Except you.
post #64 of 134
Looks good, sounds good, best soccer production ever from ESPN. The supporters section is well mic'ed
post #65 of 134
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Originally Posted by SnakeEyes View Post

Looks good, sounds good, best soccer production ever from ESPN. The supporters section is well mic'ed

YAY! Someone actually on topic. It does look nice to see a professional effort at a big league sports broadcast. In past seasons there would be a rather embarassing lack of camera placement behind the endlines to allow for reverse angle replays of goals scored.

Talking head placement is a WHOLE OTHER STORY. Dave O'Brien's factoidal fascimile of a Vin Scully baseball call just doesn't fly in a non-stop sport. I don't see a leopard changing his diamond ready spots enough to grow into calling a game that requires
a totally different feel. Eric Wynalda, however, is emerging as a real on-air personality.

The second smartest move ESPN and MLS could make (after signing Becks) would be to hire Martin Tyler, the Keith Jackson of English Football, to do PBP and pair him with Waldo. Tyler ain't doin' much in the summer, when the EPL is on break, unless someone hires him to do Euro or World Cup (he is no longer the first choice for either SKY, BBC, or ITV) so he could be top dawg for any big UEFA or FIFA tourney and MLS on ESPN/ABC.

Lastly, I wish the Mods, who I have great respect for, would police this thread the same as any other and delete the WAY off topic commentary about the right of the sport to exist or be liked in the USA. That is for another thread on another board. This thread is about MLS in HD. And 2 out of 2 ESPN HD broadcasts of the burgeoning MLS game have been a serious upgrade in professional coverage of the league.
post #66 of 134
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Originally Posted by Posty-McPost View Post

Actually there are 12 timeouts. Each team gets 3 in each half. NFL also has the two minute warning in the 2nd and 4th qtrs. That's 14 and then almost every change of possession gets a TV timeout. MLS might wish it were as popular as the big 4 but I don't think anyone complains about the lack of interruptions. Except you.

WOW didn't expect someone to get so upset to explain that there are more than 6 timeouts even after I put to make sure people knew I was just trying to pick a really small number as a joke. You were too busy being furious over nothing that you forgot about the coaches challenges in the NFL .

I never complained about the "lack of interruptions". I said I would rater have those instead of being bombarded with ads all around soccer stadiums and even on their jerseys. Man U has AIG on their chest, Chelsea has Samsung....etc. Now it is your turn to tell me which commercials came on during the "interruptions" of the Denver Broncos and the Seattle Seahawks game in 2006.

Apparently you are one of those guy that doesn't read the whole post and as soon as you find something you don't like you quote and reply to it. I said I love all sports and that sport clubs are business entities and they are there to make money. They just have different ways of pleasing their sponsors.
post #67 of 134
Hold your horses folks we got major signing of big name players from around the world coming to MLS which is a major boost to MLS's image. Here's the link.
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns...ot=mls&cc=5901
post #68 of 134
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Originally Posted by LOEWE Groova View Post

YAY! Someone actually on topic. It does look nice to see a professional effort at a big league sports broadcast. In past seasons there would be a rather embarassing lack of camera placement behind the endlines to allow for reverse angle replays of goals scored.

Talking head placement is a WHOLE OTHER STORY. Dave O'Brien's factoidal fascimile of a Vin Scully baseball call just doesn't fly in a non-stop sport. I don't see a leopard changing his diamond ready spots enough to grow into calling a game that requires
a totally different feel. Eric Wynalda, however, is emerging as a real on-air personality.

The second smartest move ESPN and MLS could make (after signing Becks) would be to hire Martin Tyler, the Keith Jackson of English Football, to do PBP and pair him with Waldo. Tyler ain't doin' much in the summer, when the EPL is on break, unless someone hires him to do Euro or World Cup (he is no longer the first choice for either SKY, BBC, or ITV) so he could be top dawg for any big UEFA or FIFA tourney and MLS on ESPN/ABC. AS far as English style of PBP done by Martin won't work in the US because again it comes down to it's not American.

Lastly, I wish the Mods, who I have great respect for, would police this thread the same as any other and delete the WAY off topic commentary about the right of the sport to exist or be liked in the USA. That is for another thread on another board. This thread is about MLS in HD. And 2 out of 2 ESPN HD broadcasts of the burgeoning MLS game have been a serious upgrade in professional coverage of the league.

Let me ask you since you're from NYC ,how in the world you get to see ESPN-2HD were is not on TWC lineup as yet.Unless you have some other cable outlet.
post #69 of 134
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Originally Posted by IAM4UK View Post

I've found it interesting that soccer is hugely popular for younger kids to play, but has not caught on as a spectator sport here in the U.S.

I suspect the former is because moms are less worried about junior getting seriously hurt in soccer, vice American football. And the latter? Well, soccer is boring...

Mods -

This is where you should have stepped in because it wasn't difficult to see where the thread was going after this post.
post #70 of 134
So did anyone catch the game last week? I was pretty happy to see it in HD. I still don't like the fact that Dave O'Brien has to talk constantly during the game but it was watchable. Someone needs to tell him not to try so hard. PQ was decent, but then again I'm watching on D*.
post #71 of 134
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Originally Posted by mx6bfast View Post

So did anyone catch the game last week? I was pretty happy to see it in HD. I still don't like the fact that Dave O'Brien has to talk constantly during the game but it was watchable. Someone needs to tell him not to try so hard. PQ was decent, but then again I'm watching on D*.

You're lucky because I have TWC and I can't get ESPN2-HD as yet. HDNet shows one game a week every Sat night and their PBP is done by two other morons. I might go with Dish if TWC NYC won't ad the ESPN2-HD by next week.
post #72 of 134
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Originally Posted by mx6bfast View Post

So did anyone catch the game last week? I was pretty happy to see it in HD. I still don't like the fact that Dave O'Brien has to talk constantly during the game but it was watchable. Someone needs to tell him not to try so hard. PQ was decent, but then again I'm watching on D*.

I've got it on my DVR, haven't found the time to watch it though, hopefully this afternoon.

Can't wait to see the Crew tomorrow night
post #73 of 134
I have found the games I have watched this season pretty compelling so far, and for the first time ever, I haven't just written off the beginning of the season to teams still trying to get their acts together--the play has been pretty exciting, and there is some real smart soccer being played out there so far. My team, Chicago, has been a bit underwhelming, but so far they haven't played much different than the past few years under Coach Sarachan. I have been surprised by Dallas' thrashing of LA, and KC's recent demolition of DC. (Who'd have thought KC could play entertaining soccer?)

Everything seems up this year in MLS. Better players, better play, better crowds, better tv production, more excitement. And Beckham hasn't even gotten here, yet!
post #74 of 134
PQ is very nice from ESPN2 this evening. Wish Crew Stadium was a bit more full as it can be a very intimidating environment when loud and rockin.

Nice to hear Tommy Smyth doing some of the color commentary. He has a clue about football. Just wish Derek Rae could replace the other two chode's (Wynalda and ????)

and the CREW Score!!!!!

This is my first sporting event on my new 1080P LCD, pretty amazing. Colors are better than my DLP
post #75 of 134
Heh.. Crew are luckily to even have this crowd on a Thursday night. Buck a brat night promotion never fails.
post #76 of 134
I am getting the Dish installed today just because TWC won't give us ESP2-HD. The game played in a very fast pace but i wish people sit in their seat so this way make the 13k plus looks good on TV. I also liked a little drama on the pitch to be part of the game.The team will draw well if the play on the pitch improves which's looking good now and plus with arrival of the new player from south America will help the team win games. NHL move over.
post #77 of 134
Did Herron get suspended yet for that elbow?
post #78 of 134
What time was the game yesterday? I turned it on ESPN2 at like 7:30 ct and it wasn't on the guide.
post #79 of 134
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Originally Posted by mx6bfast View Post

What time was the game yesterday? I turned it on ESPN2 at like 7:30 ct and it wasn't on the guide.

7-9pm edt, was in the comcast guide and live
post #80 of 134
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Originally Posted by jefbal99 View Post

7-9pm edt, was in the comcast guide and live

ahhh. Thinking back it was almost 8:30 when I turned it on. We watched Earl and when I turned it off 30 Rock was finishing up.
post #81 of 134
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Originally Posted by jefbal99 View Post

Did Herron get suspended yet for that elbow?

The league office is looking at the tapes as we speak. According to Waldo he should get 6 months.
post #82 of 134
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Originally Posted by Soccerdude View Post

The league office is looking at the tapes as we speak. According to Waldo he should get 6 months.

Naw, he'll get 4 matches, maybe a month.

I love the HD, zoomed in, slow mo replay. Not sure how he didn't break Heap's nose
post #83 of 134
Thanks everybody for gettin' this topic on down the road.
I thought Tommy Smythe and Rob Stone were a huge improvement over Dave O'Brien last night. And that is not said w/o the benefit of perspective. I have been a season ticket holder and frequent road warrior for Metro/Red Bull since 1996. Outside of Year One, the buzz around MLS this Spring has been quite something.
Its amazing how major moves to improve the broadcast product and acquire legendary sports figures from different parts of the globe have really generated some press. Blanco, Schelotto, Angel, and Beckham are more than admired in their respective homelands, in fact, they are giants of the game. You just can't discount the enormous boost to our 12 year old "little" league, when the words M-L-S were splashed across the most widely circulated daily papers of Mexico, Argentina, Colombia, England, and even Spain.
Perhaps to a man, everyone associated with the world's sport here in the U.S. started to appreciate themselves a tad more because of the statement it makes when great players want to perform on your humble stage. Are the games really better? Is the play truly sharper? Or do we just value it more because David Beckham would never choose to play for the shirt of an imitation anything.

New York Red Bull vs Houston Dynamo (defending cup champs) is tonight at Giants Stadiim. I can't say I've ever been more jacked for a regular season home game. The only HD for this one will be found in The Swamp itself.
post #84 of 134
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Originally Posted by Soccerdude View Post

Hold your horses folks we got major signing of big name players from around the world coming to MLS which is a major boost to MLS's image. Here's the link.
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns...ot=mls&cc=5901

Heard the rumor of the LA Galaxy and Zidane but nothing confirming it. In my neighborhod there was talk about it but I keep looking for confirmation and then all I got was an Alexi Lalas non-denial.

What this league needs is some improved cash flow, TV dollars and more goals scored from outside the six yard area. Quality goals brings the folks in.

Was at the Jets-Colts game last year. If you think those players are getting just a few timeouts you're nuts. TV adds so many it makes you crazy waiting and waiting in the stadium for the game to restart.

Baseball is its own cup of tea. But nothing, absolutely nothing touches the passion and excitement of a World Cup game. I've been to many and also was in Paris for the biggest party since WWII when they won the tourament.

And I have the scar on my shin from climbing the Bastille to prove it.
The only time you could do it without getting arrested.
post #85 of 134
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Originally Posted by Soccerdude View Post

I am getting the Dish installed today just because TWC won't give us ESP2-HD. The game played in a very fast pace but i wish people sit in their seat so this way make the 13k plus looks good on TV. I also liked a little drama on the pitch to be part of the game.The team will draw well if the play on the pitch improves which's looking good now and plus with arrival of the new player from south America will help the team win games. NHL move over.

Was begging Cablevision to get ESPN2 HD during the World Cup. Those pleas were never answered. And so no HD for these MLS games either. It's a shame. Great way to build the league up if you can get it.

ESPN2 sure looked great when I tried D* for the World Cup in Germany broadcast.
Boy does the game look great in HD.
post #86 of 134
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Originally Posted by romanesq View Post

Heard the rumor of the LA Galaxy and Zidane but nothing confirming it. In my neighborhod there was talk about it but I keep looking for confirmation and then all I got was an Alexi Lalas non-denial.

That rumor has been going around since just after Beckham signed. So far nothing official.

Just the words Tommy Smyth would instantly make the commentators better. Rob Stone has done many national team games so he is more seasoned than Dave O'Brien. I hate that I missed the game so I could hear the announcers.

I will give ESPN some kudos for this. At halftime they give updates of US players in other countries. Before if you didn't have the internet or FSC (to a lesser degree) you wouldn't know what team they were on or how they were doing.
post #87 of 134
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Originally Posted by romanesq View Post


What this league needs is more goals scored from outside the six yard area. Quality goals brings the folks in.


re: goals by Grabavoy & Twellman Thurs. nite. ask & ye shall receive!!
(and the one by Kamara was exciting mainly due to Frankie's run & cross-even if Kamara almost missed)

a word about the history of the game & spectator sports in general in the U.S.-people forget that in the late '20's/early 30's pro baseball was king. while college football was popular the NFL was a niche league very much like MLS now, maybe LESS so. there was also a small but thriving pro soccer league dominated by clubs from small industrial cities in the East-very similar to the growth of the pro sport in England. all killed off by the Depression(which the NFL, BTW, barely survived).
post #88 of 134
A heads up for all you HD fans, tonight's ESPN2-HD at 8PM they have NY Red Bull V FCD.
http://web.mlsnet.com/news/team_news....jsp&team=t104
post #89 of 134
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Originally Posted by Soccerdude View Post

A heads up for all you HD fans, tonight's ESPN2-HD at 8PM they have NY Red Bull V FCD.
http://web.mlsnet.com/news/team_news....jsp&team=t104

Maybe I wont miss it like I did last week.
post #90 of 134
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Originally Posted by Soccerdude View Post

A heads up for all you HD fans, tonight's ESPN2-HD at 8PM they have NY Red Bull V FCD.
http://web.mlsnet.com/news/team_news....jsp&team=t104

Very interesting matchup. Red Bulls have been playing very well this year and when Angel final gets a VISA, they will have a top notch attack
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