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post #1171 of 1373
im sorry im not real tech saavy on this stuff. my reciever is a panny sc-pt660 and yes the hdmi is an output and the optical is an input. i want to try to run both my xbox and ps3 at the same time. this is strange also when i was in my xmb settings i checked the first box of each 5.1 audio setting and when i went to play my game it recognized this and gave me digital yet when i went to watch a movie on blu ray some of my audio was missing. i'm lost, at this point i don't know what to do. do i change the options for each source when i am either playing my game or watching a movie?
post #1172 of 1373
OK.

Your best bet is this.

Hook up your PS3 via HDMI directly to the TV. Then also use optical out from the PS3 to the receiver input.

Then go to the PS3 settings and do auto setup. You will be able to get 5.1 out of the PS3 via optical, but not 7.1. Its just the way its going to work for your receiver (which is a home theater in a box, not a real receiver).

Dont randomly click on audio options. You may select stuff the receiver cant receive, but you are telling your PS3 to output. Now, for BD Audio settings, set it on bitstream. Then all should work well.

I dont know how to also get the Xbox in there. You can use HDMI to the TV, but since the "Receiver" only has one input, you can only plug one of them in there at a time. So you can just use the sound directly through the TV via HDMI. I think that works. The 360 I had did not have HDMI, it was older, so I dont know how that works too well. Alternatively use component for the 360 and red/whites for the sound into the receiver. Then you get both audio sources into the receiver, and an HDMI from the receiver to the TV.

So:

PS3 ------optical---------receiver
--------HDMI---------TV

X360-------HDMI--------TV
or
X360-------component(5 colors)-------receiver-------hdmi--------TV

Ill be out later tonight, so I can help more tomorrow afternoon after work. Let me know how these various options work out for you.
post #1173 of 1373
how about an optical splitter or selector would that work?
post #1174 of 1373
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Originally Posted by sixdoubleseven View Post

Is this a "handshake" issue?

- When switching from PS3 to cable (HDMI 2 to HDMI 1), I get a snow/static picture flickering intermittently with the expected channel. TV is the original Vizio 42" LCD (non-1080p) from Costco purchased October 06. I'm grandfathered into the lifetime return policy so if I need to exchange it that shouldn't be a problem.

To fix this I unplug the HDMI from the PS3 and then plug it back in.

To update:
Exchanged for the Sony Bravia 1080p 120hz from Costco. Un-freaking-believable picture now. I can't believe what I was missing before with the Vizio. It's almost as striking as going from SD to HD.

No handshake issues with the Bravia and PS3, although that was expected given they are from the same company.
post #1175 of 1373
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Originally Posted by game boy View Post

how about an optical splitter or selector would that work?

It would, you can have a selector so you input both from PS3 and 360 to receiver. Or you could just plug/unplug it each time.
post #1176 of 1373
I'm trying to play my new PS3 on my LN40A650 and I am getting intermittent component dropout when 1080p output is selected. Sometimes it will say "mode not supported" and sometimes it will just flicker between content and black, like the t.v. is trying to figure out what resolution to use. I am running a brand new monoprice 1.3 category hdmi cable, but the same thing happened when I tried a component cable. This has happened when playing the fifa 2009 demo, when trying to access the video section of the ps3 online store, when viewing the 1080 Wall-E trailer that I downloaded, and when browsing the web and trying to zoom text. It has not happened when playing little big planet or guitar hero 3.

When switching the ps3 output to display up to 1080i and not 1080p, this issue completely disappears. So, is this an HDCP handshake issue with the 1080p or what? Will a firmware upgrade help? I bought the t.v. in October and it was worked flawlessly with digital cable.

Thoughts? Feelings? Concerns? Help? I'm kind of a noob with this stuff, so any advice would be appreciated.
post #1177 of 1373
Hmm...

It may well be a HDMI cable issue. However if same hing happens with component (which does not do DHCP handshakes) its likely a TV issue of some sort or a PS3 output issue at 1080p.

Try demos for games we know are in 1080p. Such as Pixeljunk Eden. As opposed to LBP which is 720p.

You could replace your PS3. But honestly its hard to pinpoint it. If it happens over component, its not a handshake issue. And it seems to happen at 1080p only?
post #1178 of 1373
Ok, I fired up my PS3 today and it did the handshake process several times on start up. The initial handshake was followed by three more when I reached the XMB . I have my PS3 going to a Marantz HDMI switch followed by a Marantz receiver finished with a Sony KDL-40XBR6 TV. Is it normal for the PS3 to handshake this many times on startup?
post #1179 of 1373
It should only shake once, at startup. Ours goes through a Onkyo receiver and it is flawless, one handshake at bootup, before the wavies and orchestra and that is it until the PS3 reboots. Even if the TV goes off or changes channels.

Your HDMI switch and receiver may be causing issues. Try it to TV only and see. Then introduce each device one at a time into the loop. It could be a loose connection, a weak/faulty cable (and there seem to be 3 of them between your PS3 and TV).
post #1180 of 1373
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Originally Posted by andydumi View Post

It should only shake once, at startup. Ours goes through a Onkyo receiver and it is flawless, one handshake at bootup, before the wavies and orchestra and that is it until the PS3 reboots. Even if the TV goes off or changes channels.

Your HDMI switch and receiver may be causing issues. Try it to TV only and see. Then introduce each device one at a time into the loop. It could be a loose connection, a weak/faulty cable (and there seem to be 3 of them between your PS3 and TV).

I turned the emphasis function on on my switch. We'll see if that improves it. I wonder if it was getting a weak signal off the bat and therefore had to resync. If not, a new cable is next. I guess I should have bought a fancy Monster cable the first time around.
post #1181 of 1373
I am not familiar with that switch, but try it PS3 to TV directly to check. Also turn every device on before you turn on the PS3. That helps as well.

Don't waste money on a fancy cable. Get 10 for 10 bucks from monoprice. That's what I did and the 6 I have used so far are flawless. If one goes bad, I have 4 spares.
post #1182 of 1373
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Originally Posted by andydumi View Post

I am not familiar with that switch, but try it PS3 to TV directly to check. Also turn every device on before you turn on the PS3. That helps as well.

Don't waste money on a fancy cable. Get 10 for 10 bucks from monoprice. That's what I did and the 6 I have used so far are flawless. If one goes bad, I have 4 spares.

Trust me. I will never buy a fancy cable. Hence the wink! The emphasis function is supposed to reduce any noise that comes into the switch. The idea is to create a strong signal over longer distances after it leaves the switch.
post #1183 of 1373
Have my PS3/360/HD-A1 via hdmi 3x1 monoprice connected to my Sony 720p/1080i kdf-e50a10.

It's been fine for almost 3 yrs until recently. I tried watching a dvd on the hd-a1, picture is intermittently blinking in and out every 5 secs. Tried my 360 and the handshake resolves and it plays games fine but when I try a dvd I get a HDCP error link pop up. Lastly tried my PS3 turned it on and nothing no picture but sound only.

Is my HDMI port damaged or has the HDCP chip been damaged and the display isn't resolving the handshake anymore?

Thanks for any ideas.
post #1184 of 1373
I think you may have nailed it on the head.

Try all the connections make sure nothing is loose. Then try PS3 to TV or HDA1 to TV and make sure its not a TV issue. THen check and swap around the cables and make sure they arent getting old.

Its hard to say.
post #1185 of 1373
I have a Westinghouse 32H240S TV. My PS3 is hooked up directly to the TV via HDMI with optical out for audio going to a headphone amp.

The problem I'm having is that after playing a game and going back to the XMB, I get nothing on screen. It takes me either flipping through the inputs a few times or turning off the TV then turning it back on. I've tried with 3 different HDMI cables and the issue still persists.

It's in no way detrimental to me for playing games/watching movies as I've lived with it the past year. I just though about posting it now if others have a budget gaming TV.

-Brad
post #1186 of 1373
The westinghouses have poor hdmi handshakes. Its well documented. Lower end TVs like Westinghouse, Vizio and others suffer the same problems.
post #1187 of 1373
I have a sony sxrd 50a2000.

ps3 setup via hdmi. Common question-

I use "automatic" setup in the display setting and the ps3 outputs to 1080p.

In games rendered at 720p (killzone 2 for example)- am I fine to leave my display at 1080p or should I "force" 720p only (uncheck all other resolutions)?

I know my set and the ps3 are upconverting the 720p image- but is this affecting image quality. Are both my tv and ps3 upscaling an original 720p image?
post #1188 of 1373
it depends.

all games have a default resolution set by the developers based on what the connected tv can do.

say you have a tv like yours that accepts all resolutions. Some developers may want the game to still output at 720p and let the tv upscale, while others may have the game output in 1080i or 1080p if it is available.

In my experience, I have learned to trust the developers. Our TV also accepts everything and does a good job of upscaling. So I leave everything at default, no forcing anything.

Only once or twice have there been issues where the game played significantly better than the "default". I forget which games, but it was not big name games.
post #1189 of 1373
i set my audio settings to where i thought they should be, and i was playing metal gear solid in true digital. i then switched over to playing burnout and resistance and i lost all audio alltogether. what gives, do i need to play these in dolby? and i also noticed when playing heavenly sword that i was playing in digital as well just like metal gear. i don't know what the problem is. in my menu system on the ps3 should i just choose the automatic settings that opts the 2 2channel settings and let my reciever divide the channels?
post #1190 of 1373
I had flashing, snow, random drop outs from signal loss.

I changed PS3 output video setting and excluded 1080p. Works great now. No snow effect, no flashing.

This is on a sam 52" 650 HDMI through sunfire tgr-3 to tv. audio on optical link
post #1191 of 1373
Samsung LN40A550 and PS3 80GB via HDMI with absolutely zero issues in all resolutions (knock on wood!)
post #1192 of 1373
Samsung LN46A750 and 80 GB PS3 no HDMI issues at any resolution. I have an older Sony receiver and run 5.1 audio via optical from the PS3. No issues with a Motorola STB/DVR via HDMI either. Using optical audio from that also. Monoprice HDMI and toslink cables. Awesome Monoprice LCD mount also, but that is obviously not effecting the HDMI issue.

One time I saw a momentary "mode not supported" message on the LCD screen when starting a game or movie in the PS3, but it quickly disappeared and everything played normally. I think that it may have been an older DVD.

Before I got my order from Monoprice I bought a $30 Phillips 2 meter HDMI cable at a local store and the PS3 would not display on the LCD with it. Component worked fine. I was worried until the Monoprice HDMI cable came and worked perfectly. Fortunately I had saved the other receipt.
post #1193 of 1373
Can anyone tell me if I can connect a Rotel-1057 to a PS3 using HDMI?
post #1194 of 1373
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Originally Posted by tgm98225 View Post

Can anyone tell me if I can connect a Rotel-1057 to a PS3 using HDMI?

Rotel 1057 HDMI (1.1) are video only and does not accept audio via the HDMI input. So you would need to use a separate digital connector for audio. Hope this help answer your question.
post #1195 of 1373
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Originally Posted by tgm98225 View Post

Can anyone tell me if I can connect a Rotel-1057 to a PS3 using HDMI?

There's a good write up here:
http://www.hometheatermag.com/floorl...ers/807system/
[cut from the above article]
...Although the new RSX-1057 is the first Rotel receiver to sport HDMI—two in, one out—be warned that it's version 1.1, video passthrough only. So, it would still be a good idea to route Dolby Digital and DTS through the coaxial or optical inputs. If you're an early adopter of Blu-ray or HD DVD, the best course is to use the player's built-in decoder and the analog multichannel interface.

On the video side, the RSX-1057 transcodes composite and S-video sources to component video (but not to HDMI). It does not provide deinterlacing or upscaling...
post #1196 of 1373
Do any cheap 720p to 1080i or 1080p scalers exist?

I'm using my Playstation 3 on my Dell 2405 monitor but the problem is that certain games only support 720p.

The Dell 2405 has a native resolution of 1080p and it will accept and scale the 720p to 1080p but it looks absolutely horrible so I'm wondering what type of external scalers exist.

Keep in mind that the PS3 costs $400 so I can't justify spending $1000 on a scaler but I'm wondering if something cheaper exists that will look "decent". (eg. the X-Box 360 has a built-in scaler and it looks pretty good!)

I also need the scaler to not have much lag because of playing games.

I've seen a Gafen scaler for around $300 (still a bit pricey but maybe it's worth it?) that claims less than one frame of lag and it will upscale 720p to 1080i/1080p. Does anybody know anything about it?

Thanks for any help!
post #1197 of 1373
I have a Samsung ln52a630, but I get snowy grains and red horizontal lines on the screen when I connect the PS3 to the TV's hdmi 1 input. If I change the input to hdmi/dvi, its reduced but still there. I tried changing hdmi cables, but no help.
I then excluded the 1080p o/p from PS3 display setting, and the issue vanished.

Any thoughts why this is happening?
post #1198 of 1373
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Originally Posted by mentalic View Post

...I get snowy grains and red horizontal lines on the screen when I connect the PS3 to the TV...

Hi, you have losses/errors in your signal path based on bandwidth.
You could trouble shoot this way:
1) PS3 @ 1080p to another display
2) Attach another 1080p source to your TV
3) Test your HDMI cables at a friends house [at 1080p]
4) Remove any AVR receiver from the signal path
My money is on #3 or #4 as the most likely culprit. I know you changed cables but you didn't mention what brand/wire gauge/length/rating/price they were.
post #1199 of 1373
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Originally Posted by sofakng View Post

Do any cheap 720p to 1080i or 1080p scalers exist?.....I've seen a Gafen scaler for around $300...

I'm using my Playstation 3 on my Dell 2405 monitor but the problem is that certain games only support 720p.

Hi, my initial thoughts about this at 6am would be:
1) I think the Dell 2405 is not HDCP compliant [no 1080p over HDMI]
2) $300 for a mediocre Gefen scalar is almost the price of an HDTV
3) Can't you use component video cables- output 720p/1080i - and
accomplish the same thing for about $20? I thought the 2405 had better
results when scaling analog inputs.
4) Can you force the PS3 into 1080p only output?

Anyway, that's my 2 cents worth...here's a related link:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/archi.../t-808171.html
post #1200 of 1373
Thanks for the quick reply Ward216.

I have a direct connection between the PS3 and TV. No AVR in the middle.
Initially, I had a 30AWG HDMI cable from meritline that I got for 3 bucks...Then I changed it to a 28AWG cable from monoprice. But, still the same thing.

Will try your suggestions at a friend's house.
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