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g55555sim : for most it is, the only comparison is to DVD on an HD DVD player

not sure what you mean, are you saying Jan1 2007 # devices that can play HD DVD=# devices that can play BD? care to make the brakedown, I am curious to see what numbers you are thinking of

I don't think that Toshiba even has access to a supply of 1,000,000 blue lasers to build that many products. Even if they did, they don't have a product (HD-DVD) that will support that kind of purchases by the public. DVD only sold 315,136 units sold in its first year (CEA info).

If you are going to claim that HD-DVD numbers are going to be better than DVD, then join the club at Warner and Toshiba and seek help while there is still time...

This is what DVD did back in 1997.. DVD FAQ info..

b2b

This is intellectual honesty? That's like me asking you to compare the HD DVD copy of Serenity to the the BD version of the The Fifth Element.


I'll tell you this though, I trust the Highdefdigest review quoted here by b2b.

And just to note, this review was from BD 50 release and the version that's included with the PS3 is on a BD 25 disc so I can only imagine how the quality turned out on that one. Unfortunately I couldn't find a review of the PS3 playing it's included copy of the disc.

Well if you are going to "quote" my "quote" at least put all of it in... That might be considered "intellectual honesty"

b2b

It wasn't pertinent as I had no disagreement with Anthony on that.

Huh? Blu-ray discs basically cost exactly the same as HD-DVDs.

I think he was highlighting the player cost

smithfarmer: what is? comparing things that don't exist to things that do?


no I asked you to do what J6P will do, he will compare DVD to BD. If a reviewer does not think it is the best BD he saw who the hell cares. J6P did not see the best BD titles, and if he buys them and decides that it was a bad version and BD is much better then what Sony included then

a) it worked and got them to buy more BDs

b) they will think BD looks much better then what I thought.


Obviously you don't need to see the movie. Like all fanboys, find the worst review highlight the worst parts and pretend the movie is much worst.

OI!!!! the PS3 head count thread was created on the 17th. the XBox 360 head count has a week head start (HD DVD seems to have a head start on everything nowadays )

.. anyhow i dont agree to the move of the PS3 head count to the PS3 thread. i want the votes to be relevant to BD, that was why i created it in the BD player thread. hope mods can do something about that ...

come on b2b the discussion was intelectual honesty and why would someone that will watch a movie that

compared to an artifact full bad transfer DVD

we all know thanks to smithfarmer is that the only thing J6P cares about is

and so they won't buy into BD

Addendum to your data..

Toshiba A2 Owners : 0



b2b

Addendum to your addendum:

Pioneer BDP-HD1 Owners: 0

Sony BDP-S1 Owners: 0

Royalties on a format remain the same whether you are talking about a Blu-ray/HD DVD player or a universal player. The only difference is that you get two sets of royalties for two HD formats with a universal player. One of the reasons I would prefer to have a clear victor in this format war.



Interesting, but rather meaningless until we know how many HD DVD add-ons were released. In fact it is somewhat curious that Microsoft didn't bother to announce that number. Of course what would even be more useful is knowing how many HD DVD add-ons were sold.

The HD-DVD Addon is collecting dust at stores all across So Cal. Theres 0 intrest in it. I'd also do a poll of how many of those Addon owners own A1's, if they answer honestly, it should be over 70% of them. Everytime i read a post about the Addon, it has "Unlike my A1" in it. Pretty funny.

Please oh please tell me you did not base your stats of the HD DVD add-on sell thru by measuring the dust level on its boxes......in south california no less.......

No less valid than an AVS poll.

Because the release numbers would be more useful than a poll of people who own one on AVS Forum.



Well a external HD DVD drive is slightly different than a controller so if a lot of them were going to be released I think Microsoft would have promoted that fact. After all Microsoft basically made the external HD DVD drive because of their involvement in the format war. As such I expected more press releases from them concerning the sales rate of the HD DVD drive.

Considering there aren't any other HD-DVD players around (other than a few discontinued ones) it's more a case of no grapes rather than sour...

b2b

If you're stuck in October then perhaps. There is now a decent value Blu-ray player that does much more than the Toshibas. Hence my proposal that BD does not need to look any better than HD DVD (and again, it should look no worse because of the limited i.e. three codecs that they share, fundamentally).

Now, can BD look and sound better than HD DVD simply with its higher capacity and bandwidth? Definitely yes - logic dictates it.

Let's get it on

"HD-DVD is better; More videophiles think so (proof: AVS forum polls). J6P, you should realize this and buy it also. Marketing prowess, manufacturer choice, branding and content are irrelevant (Irrelevant, I tell you! What?! You don't agree with that? Umm, ok..) when price is less."

I am hopeful that this is Not how strategy is decided in HD-DVD corps. If it is, I think HD-DVD won't survive into 2008. As of now, I personally think HD-DVD will survive the long term (and I will buy a PS3).

Congrats to MS for selling more add-ons to AVS folk than sony sold PS3s. Now, lets wait for the market verdict in 2007

Well, then again, let's see Sony's release numbers for the PS3. Exactly.

I would think no one is going to post numbers about an item they want to sell through the holiday until after the holiday is over. If you're going to see 360 add-on sales numbers, I'm thinking you'll see them in January. Much like I'm sure that's when you'll see Sony numbers.

Do you mean we can also do a poll on a PS3 fan site, and it will win the war for Sony? WOW!

Likewise, a poll on this forum would only tell us about the demographic of this forum. I also can't say for sure that this demographic hasn't been affected by the hostile presence of certain individuals here.

I will anticipate further comments by saying that while moderation on this forums have been very appropriate, there is just enough laxity that it has become a free-for-all match everyday.

Sony doesn't seem to have a problem with quoting shipping numbers..

I would think that Microsoft should know how many addons they are having built and when they might ship a quantity of them.

b2b

Come on b2b. The guy even said "In terms of putting location tracking devices on each unit and having them report back to us--well that's a little difficult." So they don't know either. And we both know Sony didn't launch the number of units that they said they would, and some estimates have been half that.

"We're comfortable we'll have the 400,000 within a week." isn't the same as "We've currently shipped 400,000 this week." and you know it.

So maybe there is the answer everyone's looking for. Maybe Microsoft isn't going to try and speculate how many add-on's they've sold. Maybe they're waiting to get concrete numbers together.

Yeah, Sony hasn't had a problem quoting shipping numbers. They also haven't been right yet.

You are confusing ICT with DOT (digital only token), which will become effective in 2010. Studios can turn on ICT anytime they want, or they can do it title by title. Even though I am happy with my Xbox HD DVD addon, I might still retunr it and wait for a sku with built-in HD DVD and HDMI.