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Mitsubishi VS-1281 any better than ECP?

post #1 of 69
Thread Starter 
What is this Mitsubishi VS-1281? (Ebay 160052538232)
Would this be any better than my ECP 4101? I am interested because I am in Ohio, where the seller is.

Octavian
post #2 of 69
Close to an xg lc or g70. Liquid coupled EM focus color filtered monster.

Waaaaay better than ECP.

Problem is no parts, no help, you'd need a pronto remote, and you cannot tell how the tubes are without pulling the lenses because the lenses have a dichroic coating you can't see past.

If you can check it out in person and it turns out to be good you'll have a steal (for however long it works that is).

Troy
post #3 of 69
Thread Starter 
Thank you, Troy!
That pretty much will let me on my own and I am not, by any means, skillful enough to deal with it. I just learned enough, with a lot of help from you guys, to keep my ECP running. Thanks again,

Octavian
post #4 of 69
Yep you'd be completely on your own with it. There are only two of us that have one of them that frequent this board. Unfortunately mine turned out to have burn in on the tubes and I got burned buying it. Of course I've never used it enough to be able to help anyone even just set it up because of the burn in.

I wish that one were close to me. Id buy it if it were and they let me pull the lenses to check it out. But I sure wouldn't advise anyone not local take the risk of paying just shipping alone and gambling the tubes are ok.

They were great performers, but just too rare and you can't even get a service manual anywhere at any price these days.

All that potential performance sitting there for just a couple hundred bucks... Such a shame...

Troy
post #5 of 69
I've emailed those guys about that one, I'd bet, from their responses, its toasty brown...
post #6 of 69
Thread Starter 
Troy,
Thank you for your input. It is too much to drive there to check it out but for shure I can pick it up on a weekend so I will have no shipping cost. Whatever the guy (seller) will say about burns is irrelevant since, as you said one can not see the tube face through the lens. I see the Owners Manual and Setup Manual are still available online and if this projector is such a good performer I can afford a few hundred dollars for a toy for Christmas. I think I am going to go for it if the price remains reasonable.

Octavian
post #7 of 69
This may be helpful. I was trying to get service information on an older Mitsubishi CRT monitor (37") I was very surprised that any Mitsubishi service or parts number I called had no knowledge of such a model. In frustration, I called a main office somewhere and I finally got contact information for the people that handled the "professional" products. It is evidently very separate from the "consumer" branch. When I finally got to the right place, they had manuals, parts and very good service.

It has been a while but the numbers I have are: Tech (888) 307-0309
Parts (888) 307-0308
post #8 of 69
I can email you the setup and user manuals, don't pay for them.

A gambling man huh?

If they won't let you pull lenses you could always at least power it on and go to the internal full white test pattern or run in cycle to look for obvious burn if you can find your way there. You'd need to have a pronto remote with the codes already downloaded from remotecentral to get to the patterns.

Good luck. Might be a merry christmas for someone.

(Note they've tried to sell this one for what seems like a year. They should be open to just about ANY offer or letting you check it out however you like by now.)

Troy
post #9 of 69
Thread Starter 
Thank you Outwest, I will try that.

Troy, how hard is to get that remote?

Thanks,
Octavian
post #10 of 69
The Pronto remote codes are available here: http://www.remotecentral.com/cgi-bin...roj-vs1280.zip.

A factory remote is available here: https://secure.remotes.com/remotes/s...840&mode=large. I've ordered from this site just recently and they were very quick. I also once asked them about the actual availability of the VS1281 factory remote and they replied that it was something that they didn't have in stock but had to be ordered from their warehouse. I suppose thats retail-talk meaning from Mitsubishi. How much of a warehouse would they need to house the whole operation? So the reality is that it may or may not be available - you'll only know after you order it. The downside is that it costs $240 plus shipping.

The installation and Setup Manual is also available on Curt Palme's site: http://www.curtpalme.com/Mitsubishi_Downloads.shtm

I told the seller what seems like months ago that no one would pay a reasonable price for this projector unless he was willing to remove and photograph the lenses. He replied by posting different photos of the machine while turned on. The original photos made it look like the tubes had massive burn-in. Maybe they do, so watch it.
post #11 of 69
Is that the one that pops up on ebay occasionally with the really, really roasty screenshots?
post #12 of 69
philips pronto tsu 1000 universal remote as in ebay item: Z140052204544QQihZ004QQ

It would be totally ass crazy to spend equal to the cost of the pj for a factory remote and they probably can't actually get it anyway. Pronto will do fine, it's not a complicated remote to emulate, there aren't a lot of buttons like sony 12xx's etc.

I never could tell jack from the sellers screenshots. It's on a curvy cheet and not converged or focused. I don't think it's been popping up on ebay from time to time, seems like it's always been listed and dropping $20 a week since it was first listed for 600 or 900 or something like that.

VDC can rebuild those tubes for around $250 ea, if you actually wanted to go that route, but I don't think it would make any sense at all given I've seen minty xg135lc's for around $1200 recently and at least with something more common you'd have some assurance you could fix it or get parts if it broke.

Troy
post #13 of 69
This projector has been listed so many times that if it ever does sell, all the seller will recoup will be his Ebay fees.
post #14 of 69
Quote:
Originally Posted by alan halvorson View Post

This projector has been listed so many times that if it ever does sell, all the seller will recoup will be his Ebay fees.

Damn Straight
post #15 of 69
Thread Starter 
I do not feel that brave any more. I emailed the seller and he is not willing to do the inspection.
Thanks everyone for your info, I think I am going to look for another Christmas present.
Octavian
post #16 of 69
Hey! Someone bid on this projector! Who is calugara? I was hoping this would be the auction that wouldn't die but unless the bidder has a change of heart, this thing will no longer haunt Ebay nor tempt me to bid despite all of my misgivings (come on - I'll bet more than a few here at least thought about bidding on this). I will miss it.
post #17 of 69
What Lenses are on these things? A friend of mine just took his unit down for good.
post #18 of 69
Thread Starter 
I am the one who did it.
So much for a man's determination; I was telling the story about the mysterious PJ in South Ohio to my wife and she said she wouldn't mind to go with me over the weekend to pick it up, actually she was looking forward to such a trip South in this time of the year and gambling a few hundred dollars for the PJ would fit perfectly this adventure. So since this was HER idea of fun, I placed the bid. This was just to make her happy, I swear !?
Now if I'll get I will let you know what is in the box. In case there is any hope to bring it back to life, I am going to need all the help possible,actually I already got some valuable info from you guys.
If there is no hope, I was thinking it would look cute in my back yard with the lenses painted RGB and transformed into something useful, let's say, hmm, humming bird feeder?
post #19 of 69
I just passed through (HILLIARD , OHIO) yesterday. IF I had seen the auction while visiting family in NC, and IF I could have spared a few more days on vacation, and IF the room would have been available in my car, and IF a frog had wings,,,,,,,,,,,,

In any event, good luck on the auction.

One of these days when I am headed down south I will come across a potential deal like that and retire my old, crusty, but faithful VPH-1031Q.
post #20 of 69
Proprietary lenses can't be used on anything else or replaced with anything else.

You bid... It has a bid! The universe as I know it is changing.

Troy
post #21 of 69
Thread Starter 
Sorry I spoiled the fun for everybody ( watching falling prices every week, WallMart style), unless somebody spoils my fun by bringing the price where it was weeks or months ago...
Troy, I guess you were right, " a gambling man", but at least now I can blame somebody else: my wife... oh no, I am not going to do that, that's pitiful, or, maybe...
Anyway guys, I will let you know how it ends.

Octavian
post #22 of 69
Well, Octavian - I see you won this projector. Too bad you didn't bid last week; you could of gotten it for $269.99. I'll give you one bidding hint for the future : don't bid until the last moment. Bidding at the last moment might have prevented the only other bidder from increasing his bid several times and pushing up your winning total. It's certainly not a guarantee, but it's a psychological thing.

Anyway, I hope it works out. I almost slammed down on this projector several times, but backed off each time. It's supposed to be an excellent projector and I really wanted a liquid coupled projector but I couldn't quite justify it, considering what I've already invested in my current projector, not to mention that I don't have the room for it.

There's three auctions on Ebay for Mitsubishi tubes. Look like they're new or close to it. I don't know if they will fit your projector but if they do, I'd go for them - I doubt very much that there will many bidding against you. Here's the auction # for the green one: 270058863116.
post #23 of 69
Good thread guys. I was a bit short on Mits 1281 info so I added some extra info from this thread here: http://www.curtpalme.com/Mitsubishi.shtm

Didn't know it was LC... Mits calls this "Optically Coupled". (Not obvious).

Kal
post #24 of 69
Thread Starter 
Thanks Alan, I am sure bidding later would have saved some good money on this occasion, my opponent ( I sound like a politician now, don't I) had way too much time to add little by little to my final cost. I have to learn to do that, I heard there are even some programs that will bid for you at the proper time. The tubes on Ebay would be a great deal, unfortunately I have no idea what goes in this machine.
Thanks Kal, yes, now I need to get as much knowledge as possible.
By the way, can anybody tell me if removing the lenses poses any problems, I am afraid of breaking seals or something else I never touched a LC, actually I am only familiar with the ECP.
I intend to see the faces of the tubes first, then I'll decide it is worth buying a remote.
Thanks for your support,
Octavian
post #25 of 69
Well, the auction for tubes from the 1281 are for a 1281 (a wild guess..).

But they are bare tubes with the LC housings removed. They can be reassembled, but I don't know how hard it is on a 1281.
post #26 of 69
Thread Starter 
Troy, you have one of these machine, and you know you have burns on tubes. Are those on Ebay the right ones?
If they are you should go for it, I will stay put.
Octavian
post #27 of 69
Quote:
Originally Posted by transilvania View Post

Thanks Kal, yes, now I need to get as much knowledge as possible.
By the way, can anybody tell me if removing the lenses poses any problems, I am afraid of breaking seals or something else I never touched a LC, actually I am only familiar with the ECP.

Remove the lenses as you would any air-coupled projector. No difference. Once they're off it'll look like there's still a curved lens element stuck to tube face. THIS ONE YOU DON'T WANT TO REMOVE! Remove this and the glycol will leak out. You have to leave it in place (unless you want to actually replace the glycol).

Kal
post #28 of 69
Thread Starter 
Thanks, Kal!
post #29 of 69
Those aren't the proper part numbers and don't look right to me. They are lc but what's with that plate on the front of the c-element anyway? Some rp tube design?

Eissman sold a set of 1281 tubes a while back and has just a red left, it's on ebay mislabeled as sony/nec compatable.

For future reference the proper tube is a Toshiba made tube with mits part number vt07m72kb22. I wish I had a cross reference to the toshiba part number in case it was shared with any rptv's or available by other means. (EM tubes in a RPTV?)

Troy
post #30 of 69
www.stealthbid.com
I will never understand you guys who THROW your money away...
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