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post #10981 of 17803
With not much of a choice we had a DS3s mounted on rear wall. The SR speaker is fine but the SL speaker is too close to the side wall ( almost touching it). I am able to hear the SR speaker but not much from the SL speaker. Both the speakers are in dipole mode. I tried mono pole which is a bit better but still not yet there.

The option that I want to try is to increase the channel volume on this speaker and match it the SR but just wondering if this is good to do? My Audessey multixt keeps marking this left speaker at lesser volume all the time.

Is there anything I can do to improve the situation other than buying a pair or CM1/CM5 and keeping them on stands - which we thought many times over and ended up getting DS3s.. My fronts are CM9/CMC2.


Regarding the amp, I pretty much decided to go with either xpa3 or xpa5 and started saving.
post #10982 of 17803
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Originally Posted by rsmt2000 View Post

With not much of a choice we had a DS3s mounted on rear wall. The SR speaker is fine but the SL speaker is too close to the side wall ( almost touching it). I am able to hear the SR speaker but not much from the SL speaker. Both the speakers are in dipole mode. I tried mono pole which is a bit better but still not yet there.

The option that I want to try is to increase the channel volume on this speaker and match it the SR but just wondering if this is good to do? My Audessey multixt keeps marking this left speaker at lesser volume all the time.

Is there anything I can do to improve the situation other than buying a pair or CM1/CM5 and keeping them on stands - which we thought many times over and ended up getting DS3s.. My fronts are CM9/CMC2.


Regarding the amp, I pretty much decided to go with either xpa3 or xpa5 and started saving.

Audyssey is probably having problems with your room reflections with that speaker. I wouldn't be afraid to adjust the channel level by ear or even better by using a sound meter to where it sounds right to you. In the end Audyssey is a tool to enhance your enjoyment of your sound system. As far as I'm aware there is no Audyssey enforcement police that will incarcerate you for straying from it's settings

Now this part you aren't going to want to hear. Although I have not heard the DS3's, I can say that the CM5's blend amazingly with the CM9/CMC2 and I couldn't be happier with them.
post #10983 of 17803
Just had my first crushed tweeter on my cm7 and cm center. Thankfully the kid's dad is a great guy and bought replacements right away. Fun to tinker inside the speakers a bit! Anyways, cringe at the horror pictured here!

Edit: iPhone spelling errors.
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post #10984 of 17803
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Originally Posted by mohaukachi View Post

Just had my first crushed tweeter on my cm7 and cm center. Thankfully the kid's dad is a great guy and bought replacements right away. Fun to tinker inside the speakers a bit! Anyways, cringe at the horror pictured here!

Edit: iPhone spelling errors.

NEVER remove grilles in the presense of small kids. They are attracted to bright spots like tweeter in B&W speakers. So they should not know about it until they understand how much it cost to their parents.
post #10985 of 17803
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Originally Posted by ap1 View Post

NEVER remove grilles in the presense of small kids. They are attracted to bright spots like tweeter in B&W speakers. So they should not know about it until they understand how much it cost to their parents.

+1,just leave 'em on all the time. Take pictures of your speakers with the grilles off and show them on your flatscreen! Think about all the dust you remove from your speakers every week. Really want that on your drivers?


always wondered if the same folks drive around without the hood on their car.
post #10986 of 17803
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Originally Posted by jeahrens View Post

I don't think you'll get a better match than the CM5's for your rear speakers. I demo'd them vs. the CM1's to see if I could save some money for the rears. Even level matched it wasn't much of a contest. The CM5's could simply blend into one large sound field with the CM9's. The CM1's as good as they were couldn't. And I couldn't imagine a speaker from another manufacturer integrating as well either. I may consider the CM1's for the extra surrounds if I move to 7.1 at some point. But for the main surround duty the CM5's are a clear winner.

As far as the Klipsch RF-7 II's, I had Klipsch speakers in my home theater about 17 years. Mine were a mix of the Epic/Legend lines from the mid 90's (the front 3 had the same horn tweeter and woofer configuration). The imaging was excellent and the horns had a very natural sound. I started looking for their replacements about a year ago. I listened to Polk, Klipsch, NHT, Magnepan and B&W (basically everything I could demo in my area). I was expecting to like what I was used to. The Klipsch's I auditioned were not the RF7 II's, but were the RF82 II's. So not quite in the same league as the RF7's. What I found is that while the new Klipsch's imaged well, the horns sounded sterile compared to what I was used to. They lacked the warmth of the older Klipsch speakers. I had the same complaints with the older Refence line that I've listened to as well. The 7's may be better in this regard, I don't know. There's a large price differential, so I would imagine it would be worth doing a comparison.

As far as the receiver goes have you thought about an inexpensive processor (I had the UMC-1 in here until I did a little research, not a good choice) with an XPA5? Seems like an excellent budget separates route. Otherwise you're looking at research and auditioning. If at all possible try auditioning receivers with the speakers you intend to buy.


I've heard the same style sound from the RF-82's. My wife feel in love with the CM9's listening to Nora Jones/Ray Charles on 2 Channel. I completely agree with her that they look and more importantly sound better than the Klipsch's. However that was an unfair comparison between them, that's why I wanted to give the RF-7's a listen as they are very close in price.
post #10987 of 17803
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Originally Posted by travisamc View Post

I've heard the same style sound from the RF-82's. My wife feel in love with the CM9's listening to Nora Jones/Ray Charles on 2 Channel. I completely agree with her that they look and more importantly sound better than the Klipsch's. However that was an unfair comparison between them, that's why I wanted to give the RF-7's a listen as they are very close in price.

I'll be interested to hear what you think. One other consideration is to make sure you are able to audition the proper center with the RF-7's. The RF-7's may knock your socks off, but if the center isn't up to the task the sound just won't be satisfactory in a 5.1 setup. The former Klipsch center I had was quite large and matched the driver setup of the L/R exactly. Upgrading to it was the best move I made with those speakers. It truly made the front soundstage seamless. When I auditioned speakers and finally started to narrow my choices, the CM9's pairing with the CMC2 was one of the factors that made me focus on the B&W's. I didn't feel like I was settling for a center and it blended perfectly.

Again, I'll be interested in your findings.
post #10988 of 17803
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Originally Posted by jeahrens View Post


I'll be interested to hear what you think. One other consideration is to make sure you are able to audition the proper center with the RF-7's. The RF-7's may knock your socks off, but if the center isn't up to the task the sound just won't be satisfactory in a 5.1 setup. The former Klipsch center I had was quite large and matched the driver setup of the L/R exactly. Upgrading to it was the best move I made with those speakers. It truly made the front soundstage seamless. When I auditioned speakers and finally started to narrow my choices, the CM9's pairing with the CMC2 was one of the factors that made me focus on the B&W's. I didn't feel like I was settling for a center and it blended perfectly.

Again, I'll be interested in your findings.

This was my experience as well.
post #10989 of 17803
I am new here and could use your sage advice.

Long Story short- I am moving and have to reconfigure my surround system and TV. I currently have the following:

HTM-61
685's
Infinity Sterling series 10" sub and satellite rears

I am looking at selling this combo and going with either the CCM 7.5, 7.4 or 7.3. My first thought is that I would install the 7.3 as the center, 7.4 as the front L&R and the 7.3 as the rears. What do you think? Should I go with the 7.4 or 7.5 all around? My local dealer does not have these in stock, so I am looking for your advice.

What should I expect from sound? Would the CCM give me comparable sound quality to what I currently have?

BTW I am looking to upgrade the sub as well.

Thanks in advance for taking the time to respond.
post #10990 of 17803
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Originally Posted by Calvin534 View Post

I am new here and could use your sage advice.

Long Story short- I am moving and have to reconfigure my surround system and TV. I currently have the following:

HTM-61
685's
Infinity Sterling series 10" sub and satellite rears

I am looking at selling this combo and going with either the CCM 7.5, 7.4 or 7.3. My first thought is that I would install the 7.3 as the center, 7.4 as the front L&R and the 7.3 as the rears. What do you think? Should I go with the 7.4 or 7.5 all around? My local dealer does not have these in stock, so I am looking for your advice.

What should I expect from sound? Would the CCM give me comparable sound quality to what I currently have?

BTW I am looking to upgrade the sub as well.

Thanks in advance for taking the time to respond.

If you want nice sound use 685 all around (including center), and get 15" sub.
post #10991 of 17803
Thanks, I was originally going to add the 686 to the rear, but because of space (pushing the TV even higher over the fireplace) I h=need to go with in ceiling speakers.
post #10992 of 17803
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Originally Posted by Calvin534 View Post

Thanks, I was originally going to add the 686 to the rear, but because of space (pushing the TV even higher over the fireplace) I h=need to go with in ceiling speakers.

TV over fireplace is a worst you can do for both audio and video.
post #10993 of 17803
I know, but thats really my only choice. I was looking at projection, but I don't think thats a real option, so I am trying to make the best of it.
post #10994 of 17803
Putting nice speakers in bad placements like in-wall is like buying a Porsche and not driving it faster than 30 MPH, or driving only around town with a lot of school crossing.

In that case, you might as well get the speaker-equivalent of a cheap commuter vehicle.
post #10995 of 17803
hi there - I was not sure which forum to put this in, so please bear with me. My wife purchased for us a used pair of 804S speakers. A friend has offered his Yamaha RX-Z1 amplifier as he upgraded his amp earlier in the year and has no use for it. Do you suppose that the Yamaha will provide sufficient power? I'd certainlt hate to turn down the amp if it will sufficce!

Thanks

Ollie
post #10996 of 17803
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Originally Posted by oliverweagle View Post

hi there - I was not sure which forum to put this in, so please bear with me. My wife purchased for us a used pair of 804S speakers. A friend has offered his Yamaha RX-Z1 amplifier as he upgraded his amp earlier in the year and has no use for it. Do you suppose that the Yamaha will provide sufficient power? I'd certainlt hate to turn down the amp if it will sufficce!

Thanks

Ollie

Depends on the size of the room and how loud you want to play them. Under normal circumstances,it should sound o.k.,perhaps even good but you will not be hearing the speakers at their best. B&W speakers,especially the 800 series,love high current amplifiers and respond by singing their beautiful hearts out! Adding a high current amp to an AVR (or a pre/pro)makes all the difference in the world. If you're going to run the RX-Z1 in 2 channel mode,it should be fine(specs out around 130 watts per ch.) but be aware that as a HT control center it is really outdated and underpowered for your speakers in the 5 channel mode. On the other hand,if your wife got a good price on the 804s and the Yamaha is free....that's one hell of a nice bargain 2 ch. system.
post #10997 of 17803
I'm wanting to use an old pair of M1s I found on EBay for my rear surrounds. Does anyone know what gauge wire these will accept? Should I order monoprice in wall rated 2-conductor 12-gauge?

Also if I mount them on the ceiling do the ceiling/wall mounts need a stud or joist? These are pretty small speakers but they are heavy and I don't want them to fall and get dented.
post #10998 of 17803
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Originally Posted by sofast1 View Post

Depends on the size of the room and how loud you want to play them. Under normal circumstances,it should sound o.k.,perhaps even good but you will not be hearing the speakers at their best. B&W speakers,especially the 800 series,love high current amplifiers and respond by singing their beautiful hearts out! Adding a high current amp to an AVR (or a pre/pro)makes all the difference in the world. If you're going to run the RX-Z1 in 2 channel mode,it should be fine(specs out around 130 watts per ch.) but be aware that as a HT control center it is really outdated and underpowered for your speakers in the 5 channel mode. On the other hand,if your wife got a good price on the 804s and the Yamaha is free....that's one hell of a nice bargain 2 ch. system.

Sorry - I should have been more clear! The room is 13' wide, 19' long and has 9' ceilings. This is a bit of a mix and match I'm afraid as the room will be set up as a home theater with left, right and rear surrounds (yet to be purchased - make and model unknown). Probably 60% movies, 40% music. The front left and right will be the 804s - and the center we will shop for - but B&W for sure! If there would be merit to powering the 804s and center seperately - or in tandem with the Yamaha RX-Z1 (which I know is an older model but probably not ready for pasture yet) I'd love to learn what recommendations you have! As you can tell, I am very much a newbie, so I sincerely appreciate your help!
post #10999 of 17803
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Originally Posted by sofast1 View Post

Depends on the size of the room and how loud you want to play them. Under normal circumstances,it should sound o.k.,perhaps even good but you will not be hearing the speakers at their best. B&W speakers,especially the 800 series,love high current amplifiers and respond by singing their beautiful hearts out! Adding a high current amp to an AVR (or a pre/pro)makes all the difference in the world. If you're going to run the RX-Z1 in 2 channel mode,it should be fine(specs out around 130 watts per ch.) but be aware that as a HT control center it is really outdated and underpowered for your speakers in the 5 channel mode. On the other hand,if your wife got a good price on the 804s and the Yamaha is free....that's one hell of a nice bargain 2 ch. system.

It should be mostly enough. Here is a review with test results http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volum...03-part-1.html The main problem will be absence of HDMI.
post #11000 of 17803
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Originally Posted by oliverweagle View Post

Sorry - I should have been more clear! The room is 13' wide, 19' long and has 9' ceilings. This is a bit of a mix and match I'm afraid as the room will be set up as a home theater with left, right and rear surrounds (yet to be purchased - make and model unknown). Probably 60% movies, 40% music. The front left and right will be the 804s - and the center we will shop for - but B&W for sure! If there would be merit to powering the 804s and center seperately - or in tandem with the Yamaha RX-Z1 (which I know is an older model but probably not ready for pasture yet) I'd love to learn what recommendations you have! As you can tell, I am very much a newbie, so I sincerely appreciate your help!

For use in a HT set-up,I would consider the RX-Z1 only as a temporary measure. As previously mentioned,it doesn't have hdmi connectivity,it lacks current processors(no DTS Master,Dolby True etc.) for Blurays and in 5 channel mode it's power output is only around 65 watts per channel which will not do your 804s justice. The $3k list price is impressive,but that was 10 years ago and you could buy a comparable(actually better) new receiver now for $500(or less)! While the RX-Z1 will play your 804s o.k.,you will be far away from those speaker's potential sound quality. Use it until you can get a new AVR or pre/pro and a separate power amp(s),then get ready to be amazed!
post #11001 of 17803
Dear Experts,

I'd like to protect the tweeter domes of my B&W 604 S3, but I can't seem to find any such covers on their site bwgroup-support.com There are covers for other speakers but I have no idea which one is compatible with the 604. Please any kind soul who has some idea please post here. Thanks...
post #11002 of 17803
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Originally Posted by petgabor View Post

Dear Experts,

I'd like to protect the tweeter domes of my B&W 604 S3, but I can't seem to find any such covers on their site bwgroup-support.com There are covers for other speakers but I have no idea which one is compatible with the 604. Please any kind soul who has some idea please post here. Thanks...

see post #10988 (above)
post #11003 of 17803
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Originally Posted by sofast1 View Post

For use in a HT set-up,I would consider the RX-Z1 only as a temporary measure. As previously mentioned,it doesn't have hdmi connectivity,it lacks current processors(no DTS Master,Dolby True etc.) for Blurays and in 5 channel mode it's power output is only around 65 watts per channel which will not do your 804s justice. The $3k list price is impressive,but that was 10 years ago and you could buy a comparable(actually better) new receiver now for $500(or less)! While the RX-Z1 will play your 804s o.k.,you will be far away from those speaker's potential sound quality. Use it until you can get a new AVR or pre/pro and a separate power amp(s),then get ready to be amazed!

Thanks for the feedback! I'm not in a hurry as the house will not be ready for a number of months! I did have the room prewired for the "front effects speakers" when I received the RX-z1. So, now I'm trying to see where to go from here! I am not married to the rx-x1 so am more than open to purchasing amps that will do the B&W 804s - as well as the center - justice - and avoud the temporary measure all together if need be. I gather there are a number of used amps out there that would do the job nicely - would you be kind enough to offer some suggestions? Would it be plausible to have the rx-z1 power the effects and surround speakers amd find another (or others) for the front three? Or ... just not use the rx-z1 at all and purchase different equipment given its apparent limitations as described above. (at the end of the day I will have 2 front effects speakers[which may or may not be used]the 3 B&W front speakers, left, right and rear surround speakers) and one or two subwoofers. The most important aspect to me right now is to provide the B&Ws what they need in order to (in the words of sofast1) reach their potential!

Thanks again,

Ollie
post #11004 of 17803
I am glad to have found a B&W group on this forum. I am looking for advice as I am looking to properly install my B&W speakers for my home system. I have the following:

2 CM9
2 CM1
2 Side Speakers
1 Sub ASW12CM
Two Outdoor Speakers
Denon 3 Zone AV-Reciever

What I am really looking is to see if you guys can help me decide on good bi-wire cable (about 200 feet of it). Also, do you know if there are any special banana plugs for bi-wire?

Thanks in advance!
post #11005 of 17803
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Originally Posted by tmaschm View Post

. Does anyone know what gauge wire these will accept? Should I order monoprice in wall rated 2-conductor 12-gauge?.

Having more than a few 1st Gen M1s about, Nothing bigger that 16 gauge lamp cord is going to fit! Enjoy them!
post #11006 of 17803
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Originally Posted by tmaschm View Post

I'm wanting to use an old pair of M1s I found on EBay for my rear surrounds. Does anyone know what gauge wire these will accept? Should I order monoprice in wall rated 2-conductor 12-gauge?

Also if I mount them on the ceiling do the ceiling/wall mounts need a stud or joist? These are pretty small speakers but they are heavy and I don't want them to fall and get dented.

I think the 12 gauge wire is too thick. I believe I have 16 gauge wire running through the wall mount brackets and they barely fit.

They don't need to be on a stud. Drywall anchors will work fine.
post #11007 of 17803
Hi guys,

Any owners here of 805d?s In fact a system with 805's, with matching center and rears? Did you ever compare to the Paradigm Studio 20's, or Sig S2's before making your purchase?

Any pics from owners would be most appreciated.
post #11008 of 17803
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Originally Posted by goneten View Post

Hi guys,

Any owners here of 805d?s In fact a system with 805's, with matching center and rears? Did you ever compare to the Paradigm Studio 20's, or Sig S2's before making your purchase?

Any pics from owners would be most appreciated.



I have a buddy with a setup that consist of 805d's and a htm2d up front, not sure what he is using as his rears. It sounds pretty darn good, much better than the Paradigm studio 20's. But that really isn't an apples to apples comparison as the 805d's cost like 5k.
post #11009 of 17803
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Originally Posted by Martycool007 View Post

I have a buddy with a setup that consist of 805d's and a htm2d up front, not sure what he is using as his rears. It sounds pretty darn good, much better than the Paradigm studio 20's. But that really isn't an apples to apples comparison as the 805d's cost like 5k.

Sorry, I should have just said Signature S2's which I imagine are in a similar price class.
post #11010 of 17803
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Originally Posted by adanbrown View Post

I am glad to have found a B&W group on this forum. I am looking for advice as I am looking to properly install my B&W speakers for my home system. I have the following:

2 CM9
2 CM1
2 Side Speakers
1 Sub ASW12CM
Two Outdoor Speakers
Denon 3 Zone AV-Reciever

What I am really looking is to see if you guys can help me decide on good bi-wire cable (about 200 feet of it). Also, do you know if there are any special banana plugs for bi-wire?

Thanks in advance!

I'm using Monoprice speaker wire for my CM9, CMC2, and CM5 setup with no complaints. As far as bi-wiring goes there is an interesting thread on that very topic:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1408563

I've never been particularly sold on it myself, but it doesn't look like it hurts anything. There are some threads on making professional looking cables and some real bargains can be found on banana plug kits in there.

Out of curiosity what did you settle on for your center channel?
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