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post #11281 of 17907
Is anyone currently using 805 diamonds with HTM4 center as fronts for music and HT? If so, how do you like them for both uses and what model speakers are you using for your rears and/or sides in a 5.1 or 7.1 setup? Thanks
Edited by Breako - 8/10/12 at 2:05am
post #11282 of 17907
Recently sold my Paradigm Studio 100 v5 set up and am considering either the Signature line (Sig S2 v3) or B&W 805 diamonds. Anyone compared these speakers in their auditions? I'll be listening to the 805d's next week. Would be interested to know if anyone has heard them or heard the Sig S2's or preferably both in the same room. There has been nothing but praise for the diamond tweeters but the same could be said for the beryllium dome tweeters as well.
post #11283 of 17907
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Originally Posted by goneten View Post

Recently sold my Paradigm Studio 100 v5 set up and am considering either the Signature line (Sig S2 v3) or B&W 805 diamonds. Anyone compared these speakers in their auditions? I'll be listening to the 805d's next week. Would be interested to know if anyone has heard them or heard the Sig S2's or preferably both in the same room. There has been nothing but praise for the diamond tweeters but the same could be said for the beryllium dome tweeters as well.

From the Paradigm owners thread:
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Originally Posted by Rod#S View Post


For full disclosure I'm both a Paradigm Reference Studio v2 owner and a B&W Diamond owner.


My Paradigm system for years consisted of:


Studio 100s

Studio CC

Studio ADPs (sides)

Studio 60 (rears)

2 Servo 15a's

1 Signature Sub 25


Last year I started upgrading to the Diamonds. I have heard the Signature S8s, C5 and S2s numerous times at my dealer and was always impressed at the better clarity and focus comapred to my Studios but they always left me with the impression of listeing to music through a speaker.


Enter the B&Ws. I have heard the older 803S, 805S and 804S at my dealer and always found them to be very good speakers but I didn't think there was really any advantage between them and the Paradigm Signatures. When I first heard the first Diamond speaker, it was the original 803D my impression was similar to the comparison between my Studio and the Signtaures, I noticed a more focused, tight and clear presentation giving them an advantage to my ears over the Signatures. As pleased as I was I was still left feeling I was listening through a speaker. I finally had an opportunity to listen to the new Diamond series and in particular the 804 Diamond. Now this was a darn good speaker, wow, given it's size it brought such life and realism to the music and right away I preferred it to the older, larger 803D. I was extremely impressed. It was at that point I decided the time was right, I had always loved the look of the 802/800 so I ordered 802 Diamonds blind. I have absolutely no regrets, these are the first speakers for me that do not give me the feeling that I'm listening through a speaker but actually part of the performance so for me as expensive as they are it was money well spent.


The Signatures have increased in price a lot over the years and are no longer much different in price compared to the B&W's, S2 vs 805 Diamond, S6 vs 804 Diamond and S8 vs 803 Diamond. Sure the 802 is a jump but not such a jump to bankrupt me and I'll be keeping them for years, I had my Studios since 2002 and they are still going strong. I still love Paradigms and will continue to highly recommend them. I tought for years my upgrade from my Studios would be the Signatures but the B&W's won my heart and ears



Thanks,


Rod
post #11284 of 17907
Wow, thanks for posting! You must have spent a good deal of time wading through that thread to find this information so I do appreciate it. Oh well, I can't wait for my 805 auditions next week. My only concern is that my source components won't be particularly high-end (ie no Classe, Mark Levinson, etc etc) . I used to have an Onkyo SR-876, but upgraded to the Integra 50.4. Power-wise the Integra should be more than up to the task and it does include pre-outs so I could always add a dedicated power amp later. My concern is really the preamp section. Hopefully it will be a good match. I do have acoustic treatment in the room (GIK Acoustics).
post #11285 of 17907
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Originally Posted by goneten View Post

Recently sold my Paradigm Studio 100 v5 set up and am considering either the Signature line (Sig S2 v3) or B&W 805 diamonds. Anyone compared these speakers in their auditions? I'll be listening to the 805d's next week. Would be interested to know if anyone has heard them or heard the Sig S2's or preferably both in the same room. There has been nothing but praise for the diamond tweeters but the same could be said for the beryllium dome tweeters as well.
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Yes I did both the Sonus Faber Cremona get my vote. I have the S1 and listen extensively to the 805D. After comparing the 805D and Cremona M I was surprised that I preferred the sound of the Sonus Faber smile.gif (and I own 800Diamonds)
post #11286 of 17907
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Originally Posted by wse 
Yes I did both the Sonus Faber Cremona get my vote.

But of the two speakers, I assume you preferred the 805d's over the Sig S2 v3's since you own the 800 series? smile.gif What were the defining characteristics that made you choose the one over the other? Sonas Faber Cremona Auditor... never even crossed my mind.
post #11287 of 17907
I just liked the sound better in my room. The room always plays such a role in the listening.

My 800Diamond sound so different in the music/home theater room vs the living room!!!

Here are a few pictures

http://www.blu-ray.com/community/gallery.php?member=wes&folderid=3141
post #11288 of 17907
I'm back in the Box!! After 5 Long years of In Walls & Working the Wife I'm back to A Box for the Front Mains !! I did it By Building these B&W ZMF Clones, I got the complete Driver assembly and Built the Box to same Specs.. They sound Pretty Good, even though they seem kinda Cheap for A B&W, However Drivers made in Denmark With England Germany Components..Hopefully after a year I can Upgrade to Some Nice B& W Towers , Again anything better than My In-walls which are B&W's Btw smile.gif Im keepint the 663's for my high Fronts, but Ive been itching for some nice Mains for the Longest time and this was my Way back in.. How can the WAF deny me now!! I Also built the Stands rolleyes.gif
Orginal ZMF's
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My CLones
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post #11289 of 17907
Nice job!
post #11290 of 17907
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

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These 802D2 sound absolutely fabulous in my room!
They are hooked to ATI AT2004, Denon AVR-3310CI, and dual RBH SX-1010N subs.
After listening to "Yo-Yo Ma Plays Ennio Morricone" and "Dave Mathews & Tim Reynolds Live At Radio City" in the same room as my other speakers, I have to say that these B&W 802D2 sound every bit as awesome as any speakers I've listened to, including Salon2, Orion3, KEF 201/2, Phil3.
Crystal clear and detailed midrange. Super smooth treble. Wide and deep soundstage. Non-fatiguing. Superb sound quality.
So I have no choice but to retract every ill word I've said about B&W in the past. In a good room (which is probably the key), they sound absolutely amazing.
But I won't say that one pair of speakers sound "better" than any of the others.
The B&W 802D2 sound as outstanding as any speakers I've listened to.

So you finally did it eh, good for you and more importantly I'm glad they work for you in your room and you are very pleased with what you are hearing, good stuff. Finally, I get to see a Salon 2 next to a Diamond, my oh my those Salon's are tall, it hits home even more now that I have something I'm very familiar with beside them. Speakers like the Wilson Alexandria, Focal Grand Utopia and Sonas Faber Aida must be simply monsters in real life given how much taller the salon 2 is over the 802 Diamond.
post #11291 of 17907
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

I just liked the sound better in my room. The room always plays such a role in the listening.
My 800Diamond sound so different in the music/home theater room vs the living room!!!
Here are a few pictures
http://www.blu-ray.com/community/gallery.php?member=wes&folderid=3141

Having a hard time selling the 802's are you? I figured they would be easy to sell. Can't wait to see you get the center 800 Diamond and then cave to the temptation after that to get 2 pairs of 802 Diamonds for your side and rear surrounds wink.gif

In your pictures I'm seeing the 800 Diamonds and 802D, are the side surrounds 802N's?
Edited by Rod#S - 8/14/12 at 6:00am
post #11292 of 17907
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Originally Posted by Rod#S View Post

So you finally did it eh, good for you and more importantly I'm glad they work for you in your room and you are very pleased with what you are hearing, good stuff. Finally, I get to see a Salon 2 next to a Diamond, my oh my those Salon's are tall, it hits home even more now that I have something I'm very familiar with beside them. Speakers like the Wilson Alexandria, Focal Grand Utopia and Sonas Faber Aida must be simply monsters in real life given how much taller the salon 2 is over the 802 Diamond.

Thanks. Yes, I'm very pleased w/ the 802D2. Listening to Beethoven - The Complete Concertos right now on the 802D2. Awesome. biggrin.gif
post #11293 of 17907
Has anyone here actually owned the new 802 Diamonds and then upgraded to the new 800 Diamonds? If so what was it about the 800 Diamonds that you felt was worth doing the upgrade from the 802 Diamonds? I have seen a number of posts on different forums from people upgrading from the previous generation 802D's to the new 800 Diamonds but I can't recall seeing a 802 Diamond to 800 Diamond move.
post #11294 of 17907
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

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These 802D2 sound absolutely fabulous in my room!
They are hooked to ATI AT2004, Denon AVR-3310CI, and dual RBH SX-1010N subs.
After listening to "Yo-Yo Ma Plays Ennio Morricone" and "Dave Mathews & Tim Reynolds Live At Radio City" in the same room as my other speakers, I have to say that these B&W 802D2 sound every bit as awesome as any speakers I've listened to, including Salon2, Orion3, KEF 201/2, Phil3.
Crystal clear and detailed midrange. Super smooth treble. Wide and deep soundstage. Non-fatiguing. Superb sound quality.
So I have no choice but to retract every ill word I've said about B&W in the past. In a good room (which is probably the key), they sound absolutely amazing.
But I won't say that one pair of speakers sound "better" than any of the others.
The B&W 802D2 sound as outstanding as any speakers I've listened to.




WTF eek.gif Hold the press, I know I've been out the loop for a bit BUT what made you change your mind about the 802Di eek.gif

BTW they look amazing, me being a B&W fan..

Djoel
Edited by Djoel - 8/14/12 at 5:30pm
post #11295 of 17907
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Originally Posted by Djoel View Post

WTF eek.gif Hold the press, I know I've been out the loop for a bit BUT what made you change your mind about the 802Di eek.gif
BTW they look amazing, me being a B&W fan..
Djoel

Lol. biggrin.gif

After my 3rd audition 3 years later, I thought the SQ of the 802D2 was so much better - as if the 1st 2 auditions were totally different. Well, the 1st 2 auditions were of the 802D1. But I don't think the D2 is that much better than D1. I think the dealer used Audyssey RC the 1st and 2nd time, and so the sound was just not as "pure" and clean like I'm used to.

One reason I never use Audyssey, EQ, DSP, or any kind of RC. I prefer my sound to be more natural and pure like real life sound.

I try to wipe the piano gloss on both the 802D2 & Salon2 like every other day. biggrin.gif
post #11296 of 17907
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Originally Posted by Rod#S View Post

Has anyone here actually owned the new 802 Diamonds and then upgraded to the new 800 Diamonds? If so what was it about the 800 Diamonds that you felt was worth doing the upgrade from the 802 Diamonds? I have seen a number of posts on different forums from people upgrading from the previous generation 802D's to the new 800 Diamonds but I can't recall seeing a 802 Diamond to 800 Diamond move.

Me neither. Never heard anyone going from 802D2 to 800D2.

The 802 & 800 have the same exact tweeter and midrange. So the only difference is the bass output, which is more on the 800. Most people who have these speakers also have some great subs, so not much point going from 802 to 800. biggrin.gif
Edited by AcuDefTechGuy - 8/15/12 at 11:24am
post #11297 of 17907
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

Me neither. Never heard anyone going from 802D2 to 800D2.
The 802 & 800 have the same exact tweeter and midrange. So the only difference is the bass output, which is more on the 800. Most people who have these speakers also have some great subs, so not much point going from 802 to 800. biggrin.gif

If you had to pick one better than the other for overall sound quality....802 or Phil 3? GO!
post #11298 of 17907
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

Lol. biggrin.gif
After my 3rd audition 3 years later, I thought the SQ of the 802D2 was so much better - as if the 1st 2 auditions were totally different. Well, the 1st 2 auditions were of the 802D1. But I don't think the D2 is that much better than D1. I think the dealer used Audyssey RC the 1st and 2nd time, and so the sound was just not as "pure" and clean like I'm used to.
One reason I never use Audyssey, EQ, DSP, or any kind of RC. I prefer my sound to be more natural and pure like real life sound.
I try to wipe the piano gloss on both the 802D2 & Salon2 like every other day. biggrin.gif

Fair enough, they do look at home with the rest with your array smile.gif, I have a JL Audio glossy sub and it's a dust magnet , I love the gloss though....

If you get tire with one of those speakers, or need space send them my way biggrin.gif

Congrats

Djoel
post #11299 of 17907
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post
One reason I never use Audyssey, EQ, DSP, or any kind of RC. I prefer my sound to be more natural and pure like real life sound.


 

You must have perfect setup and acoustics for this to be true.  From the pix, I would not have expected that.rolleyes.gif

post #11300 of 17907
Will the CM 9's match the CM Centre (not the 2)??

I picked up both EXTREMELY cheap tonight

Also a follow on question:

I have a 11.1 right now using Audysessy DSX (Denon AVR-4311ci) will the CM9 and CM Centre work well with my klipsch Icon W book shelfs as wides and heights or do I need to find something inside the Bower product family for those?

EDIT: Picked up CM1's CM5s, and CM8s

I need to figure out the right combo for them now. Not sure how to wall mount the CM1's though . .
Edited by kamiraa - 8/17/12 at 9:11am
post #11301 of 17907
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

Me neither. Never heard anyone going from 802D2 to 800D2.
The 802 & 800 have the same exact tweeter and midrange. So the only difference is the bass output, which is more on the 800. Most people who have these speakers also have some great subs, so not much point going from 802 to 800. biggrin.gif

I have learned that the 800 has better crossovers which contributes to a different or perhaps a better word is more refined sound from what I have read and been told when I inquired of owners so there is a bit more to the speaker than just the added bass output due to the dual 10's vs the dual 8's. It's this difference that keeps making me wonder if I should take the jump and get the 800s next rather than a second pair of 802s. It's definitely not a decision to be made lightly and all the more difficult because I do not have an opportunity to hear the 800s.
post #11302 of 17907
I have an opportunity to buy a pair of 804s brand new in the box for around $4500 USD, is this considered a good deal or should I cough up almost USD8000 for the new 804D?

Thanks
post #11303 of 17907
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Originally Posted by petetherock View Post

I have an opportunity to buy a pair of 804s brand new in the box for around $4500 USD, is this considered a good deal or should I cough up almost USD8000 for the new 804D?
Thanks

That price is very high . Don't do it . I sold my 803s for like 3000 or 3500 I dont remember. I see the 804s go from 2500 - 3000 before on eBay or agon.
post #11304 of 17907
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Originally Posted by petetherock View Post

I have an opportunity to buy a pair of 804s brand new in the box for around $4500 USD, is this considered a good deal or should I cough up almost USD8000 for the new 804D?
Thanks

Hell to the no!!!! I don't care if they are rapped in the Virgin Marry's cloth they are not worth more than #2500 and that is only if they are truly brand new in box. For that price you could probably work a deal from a dealer on a new pair of current 805D, that with a good sub woofer will sound better than the 804s.
post #11305 of 17907
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Originally Posted by petetherock View Post

I or should I cough up almost USD8000 for the new 804D?
Thanks

Just to add one more thing. You should be able to work the price of the 804D closer to $7000 than $8000, depending on dealer of course.
post #11306 of 17907
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Originally Posted by petetherock View Post

I have an opportunity to buy a pair of 804s brand new in the box for around $4500 USD, is this considered a good deal or should I cough up almost USD8000 for the new 804D?
Thanks

The 804D2 retails $7500/pr.

10% off should be easily attainable. Even 15%-20% off.

So I suggest $6000.
post #11307 of 17907
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Originally Posted by goneten View Post

Recently sold my Paradigm Studio 100 v5 set up and am considering either the Signature line (Sig S2 v3) or B&W 805 diamonds. Anyone compared these speakers in their auditions? I'll be listening to the 805d's next week. Would be interested to know if anyone has heard them or heard the Sig S2's or preferably both in the same room. There has been nothing but praise for the diamond tweeters but the same could be said for the beryllium dome tweeters as well.

I was in the same situation last year when I needed to replace a really old set of KEF's. I had heard many good things about Paradigm, and when I auditioned them, I liked how they sounded and I thought that I would leave the dealership with a set of Left, Center and Right Paradigms. However, before pulling the trigger, I also decided to audition the B&W diamonds. That's when I realized that I liked the B&W sound so much more than that of the Paradigms. I left the dealer with the B&W's that day and have never regretted it.

Cal68
post #11308 of 17907
Hey anyone kno where there are either. 804s or 803s or any 802's for sale in Florida? thanks

Bill
post #11309 of 17907
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Originally Posted by miamioutlaw04 View Post

That price is very high . Don't do it . I sold my 803s for like 3000 or 3500 I dont remember. I see the 804s go from 2500 - 3000 before on eBay or agon.

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Originally Posted by Matts View Post

Hell to the no!!!! I don't care if they are rapped in the Virgin Marry's cloth they are not worth more than #2500 and that is only if they are truly brand new in box. For that price you could probably work a deal from a dealer on a new pair of current 805D, that with a good sub woofer will sound better than the 804s.

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Originally Posted by Matts View Post

Just to add one more thing. You should be able to work the price of the 804D closer to $7000 than $8000, depending on dealer of course.

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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

The 804D2 retails $7500/pr.
10% off should be easily attainable. Even 15%-20% off.
So I suggest $6000.

Thanks guys, but down here, B&W is ridiculously priced. So my new 804D2 will cost close to 10 grand...

But if someone can point me to a place where I can see some examples of 804s or 804D, which will ship overseas, please let me know? PM if it's not proper to post? Bear in mind, postage is a tough one for a 28kg speaker..
Thanks
post #11310 of 17907
Hello all, I am new to high end audio and to this forum. I am looking at purchasing a pair of CM5s with the 24" universal speaker stands at Best Buy.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Bowers-%26-Wilkins---24%22-Universal-Speaker-Stands-(Pair)/1502082.p?
id=1218264251967&skuId=1502082

Will these stands work well for the CM5 and would anyone happen to have a picture of the CM5s on these stands? My local stores only has the B&W speakers in gloss black. The gloss black does look great but I am thinking about getting the Rosenut which from what I have read also looks really sharp. Any opinions on the finishes with various stands/options are welcome. Thanks.
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