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Originally Posted by akhter View Post

They are here

Welcome to the 802D2 club!
post #11372 of 17801
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Originally Posted by akhter View Post

They are here

And they are spectacular!
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awesome..what are you using to power them?
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Originally Posted by purbeast View Post

I'm curious to hear from owners who have the CM9 with a CMC2 setup for the front 3.
I went to a store today and heard the lower end 683's with a HTM61 as the center, and while it sounded okay, it didn't sound as powerful as I would like.
I went into their room with the CMC9 and CMC2 however they were having technical difficulties, and I couldn't wait around because I had to get back to work.
I'd be curious to hear how people with the CM9 and CMC2 setup like it. My goal is to just get that movie theater experience, at least as much as possible, with this range of speakers.
I am also currently interested in the Klipsch RF-7II's and RC-64II as my other choice, however I haven't heard it yet and won't for a couple weeks. So if anyone has comparisons between the 2 i'd love to hear.
I also plan (but am not dead set yet) on getting a Denon 4311ci to power the speakers I get, initially, and maybe down the road get some other amps to boost the power.

anyone?
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Has anyone installed the spikes under the HTM1D? Does it make a big difference? Even with my buddy over to help me we decided not to attempt this installation, as the HTM1D weighs about 250 lbs and seems so massive that further isolation may be pointless. Still, the spikes are very well made and it seems a waste to not use them, at least the front two.

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post #11376 of 17801
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Originally Posted by Gremal View Post

Has anyone installed the spikes under the HTM1D? Does it make a big difference? Even with my buddy over to help me we decided not to attempt this installation, as the HTM1D weighs about 250 lbs and seems so massive that further isolation may be pointless. Still, the spikes are very well made and it seems a waste to not use them, at least the front two.
I have the same set with my 802 Diamonds but decided against using them on my wooden floor for now as I will be experimenting with positioning the first few months until they are fully broken in and the new rack and amps arrive. When I do it will probably be the rubber ends.
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Originally Posted by gene9p View Post

awesome..what are you using to power them?

Using my Linn Majik DSM integrated (50wpc in 8ohms) for now until my new rack arrives in a month. Then it will be Linn Akurate DSM (pre) and Mcintosh MC302 or MC452.

Got the speakers early to start the break in process.
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

http://www.stereophile.com/content/bw-802d-loudspeaker-measurements
http://www.stereophile.com/content/bampw-800-diamond-loudspeaker-measurements
You guys compared the 802D1 vs 800D2?
Look almost identical.
Yes but I was surprised how different they sound.
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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

Yes but I was surprised how different they sound.

I'd love to join you in upgrading my 802Ds but with the HTM1D that's a better match for the earlier floorstanders, it's not gonna happen.
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Originally Posted by Gremal View Post


I'd love to join you in upgrading my 802Ds but with the HTM1D that's a better match for the earlier floorstanders, it's not gonna happen.

Three 802Diamonds or 800Diamonds are a better match.wink.gif

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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

Yes but I was surprised how different they sound.

Are you saying their tweeter and midrange sound night-and-day differently ?

Like in a double-blinded test perfectly level-matched and you can tell the significant difference immediately within seconds without having to critically compare them?
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My son just pushed in the tweeter dome on one of my 604's. I disassembled the tweeter and pushed it back out and tried to smooth the creases as much as possible. I can't really hear any noticeable degradation in sound quality, but I wanted to ask here if you guys think this will result in a noticeable loss in sound quality?
post #11383 of 17801
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Originally Posted by Tweaked05 View Post

My son just pushed in the tweeter dome on one of my 604's. I disassembled the tweeter and pushed it back out and tried to smooth the creases as much as possible. I can't really hear any noticeable degradation in sound quality, but I wanted to ask here if you guys think this will result in a noticeable loss in sound quality?
Loss of sound quality? I'm sure once you stop choking him, his voice will come back nicely. smile.gif
As for the tweeter, it'll be fine.
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Loss of sound quality? I'm sure once you stop choking him, his voice will come back nicely. smile.gif

******hee*******hee

LMAO biggrin.gif
post #11385 of 17801
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Originally Posted by Tweaked05 View Post

My son just pushed in the tweeter dome on one of my 604's. I disassembled the tweeter and pushed it back out and tried to smooth the creases as much as possible. I can't really hear any noticeable degradation in sound quality, but I wanted to ask here if you guys think this will result in a noticeable loss in sound quality?
It is just a dust cap... there will be no problem.
post #11386 of 17801
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Originally Posted by baranowski View Post

It is just a dust cap... there will be no problem.

Hi,

This is interesting! I have a pair of 805s where one of the tweaters have been "pushed in". I don't hear any difference, is this also just a dust cap?

/Stefan
post #11387 of 17801
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Originally Posted by flovv View Post

Hi,
This is interesting! I have a pair of 805s where one of the tweaters have been "pushed in". I don't hear any difference, is this also just a dust cap?
/Stefan
Yup, it is a dust cap. A tear will cause a more audible problem than a dent and repairing a dent via suction can really damage things. I managed to (mostly) ignore a set of dents for 15 years. The visuals drove me batty, but my ears never minded.
post #11388 of 17801
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Originally Posted by cbibbs View Post

Yup, it is a dust cap. A tear will cause a more audible problem than a dent and repairing a dent via suction can really damage things. I managed to (mostly) ignore a set of dents for 15 years. The visuals drove me batty, but my ears never minded.

Okay, so suction is no good? I have heard before that it was the best way to fix the problem (did obviously not know that it was a dust cap then). Actually don't know how my was fixed, but I guess that is was by suction as there is no holes or anything, just a "scar" from the old dent.

/Stefan
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Originally Posted by flovv View Post

Hi,
This is interesting! I have a pair of 805s where one of the tweaters have been "pushed in". I don't hear any difference, is this also just a dust cap?
/Stefan

yes just a dust cap...... let it be
post #11390 of 17801
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Originally Posted by flovv View Post

Okay, so suction is no good? I have heard before that it was the best way to fix the problem (did obviously not know that it was a dust cap then). Actually don't know how my was fixed, but I guess that is was by suction as there is no holes or anything, just a "scar" from the old dent.
/Stefan

to be honest most dealers will just take a piece of tape and use it as the way to pull out the dent.... depending ofcouse.... how bad the dust cap is creased ...
post #11391 of 17801
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Originally Posted by baranowski View Post

to be honest most dealers will just take a piece of tape and use it as the way to pull out the dent.... depending ofcouse.... how bad the dust cap is creased ...

Just to verify that we are speaking of the same thing:
Is the dust cover the silver bulb on the tweeter:


Just so you don't mean the metal cover like this (as I get that it is just a cover):


The silver bulb in the first pic was the one that was pushed in for me (acctually the metal cover as well, but that is not the point).
/Stefan
post #11392 of 17801
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Originally Posted by flovv View Post

Just to verify that we are speaking of the same thing:
Is the dust cover the silver bulb on the tweeter:

Just so you don't mean the metal cover like this (as I get that it is just a cover):

The silver bulb in the first pic was the one that was pushed in for me (acctually the metal cover as well, but that is not the point).
/Stefan

the thin silver front on the tweeters....not the black mesh basket type thing that is held on by a magnate.... the thin silver piece is a dust cover from what i am told and the dealers usually use tape to pull it back out....stand by let keep see if i can find a view of the tweeter
post #11393 of 17801
I looked for a drawing.... all b&w shows is that part as a tweeter motor unit.... They do mother break it down further.... but still from what i heard was that the silver part is a dust cover...

hope this helps

Bill
post #11394 of 17801
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post


Are you saying their tweeter and midrange sound night-and-day differently ?
Like in a double-blinded test perfectly level-matched and you can tell the significant difference immediately within seconds without having to critically compare them?

Well, I do not do any single- or double-blind speaker tests because it is impossible to do them in my home.  Besides, unless the speakers are in the same place (and it is not possible to accomplish that switch within seconds), such tests are flawed.  Harman has a setup for this. So, take my comments as you will.  I switched over from the 802Ds to the 800Ds with the same placement and ancillary equipment and found that the mids and tweeter did sound different.  

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Really, so on the diamond tweeter, the diamond bit is a dustcover? that is one hell of a dustcover!
post #11396 of 17801
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Originally Posted by akhter View Post

Really, so on the diamond tweeter, the diamond bit is a dustcover? that is one hell of a dustcover!
Nope. The diamond is on the tweeter dome, not the dust cover.

In the diagram you can see the tweeter dome just behind the dust cap.
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Originally Posted by baranowski View Post

the thin silver front on the tweeters....not the black mesh basket type thing that is held on by a magnate.... the thin silver piece is a dust cover from what i am told and the dealers usually use tape to pull it back out....stand by let keep see if i can find a view of the tweeter

My 604's do not have a dust cover. The silver part is the tweeter dome, I can assure you of that. I have disassembled the tweeter and the underneath that silver dome is only the magnet structure and along the underside of the dome is the copper winding for the voice coil. If it were only a dust cover, I wouldn't be at all concerned.
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I know the diamond dome or any other metallic dome is the driver and not a dust cover--i was just kidding wink.gif
post #11399 of 17801
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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

Well, I do not do any single- or double-blind speaker tests because it is impossible to do them in my home.  Besides, unless the speakers are in the same place (and it is not possible to accomplish that switch within seconds), such tests are flawed.  Harman has a setup for this. So, take my comments as you will.  I switched over from the 802Ds to the 800Ds with the same placement and ancillary equipment and found that the mids and tweeter did sound different.  

Hi Kal, just for clarification, like wse, you went from the 802D's to the 800 Diamonds correct? You did not own 802 Diamonds, correct? (i.e 802Di/802D2 however the kids are phrasing the 2nd generation diamonds these days smile.gif)
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Like i said.... i was told .... i do not have first hand experience with this. i have never taken one apart. i have been told that it is a dust covet by more than one dealers... and many more about the tape fix for it...

no matter what it is, i have heard that a dent does not affect sound, on many sites...

i would give the tape trick a shot...
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