B&W Owner's Thread - Page 428

Sorry, not following...

No matter how you slice it, it's still passive bi-amp.

So no, the actual benefit is insignificant just like all passive bi-amp.

But if I was to run my 802d from my datasat using active biamping, would I then gain a benefit?

You would have to remove the expensive internal crossovers of the 802D and that is taking a serious risk that does not guarantee any improvement.

Typo.  Should say there is no possibility of interaction.  Now corrected.

LOL ADTG, I know what you are saying. On another note, I finally got around to listening to a pair of Kef R900 at a local shop last night. Man was that a nice demo. I actually asked the dealer if he would take a slightly used pair of 805Di in a straight up swap. He hesitated for a moment and then said "Uh no." But did offer me a good deal on the floor model. Hmm now that is something to think about. Man sometimes I hate this hobby.

I bet the KEF R900 sounded fantastic.

Yeah, people need to realize there are always bigger fish in the sea.

MAC owners look down on Denon, Marantz, Yamaha, Pioneer, Anthem, NAD, etc, and Krell owners look down on MAC.

And I'm sure everyone just loves hearing the phrase "but hey if that makes you happy, just save your money..."

BTW, I just installed all Kimber Kable for my Revel Salon2, B&W 802D2, KEF 201/2, & TAD 2201. Now I can look down on Monoprice & BJC even if the sound is the same.

need some help i purchased the htm61 about a month ago and have them paired up with 685 and sc4000 with a yamaha 720. Ive read a lot of bad reviews about the center i purchased. What would be a better option as a center and i dont want to do the 685 as a center like ive read. Im thinking of going cm for the fronts once i save up a little bit of money. would i be able to use the 685 as rears with cms in the front. if so im going to return the htm61 center and just save that money to buy the cm center after i buy the cms for my fronts. also im powering with a yamaha 720 will this avr be sufficient enough, my living room is 18x14 ft

I am sure the 685s would work well as surrounds. Go for the CMC2 and you will have no regrets down the road.

Do you think my avr would be okay until i can upgrade for cm front a center

Regarding the RX-A720, try it out first. 90 wpc into 2 will likely be adequate unless you listen very loud. I am always for more clean power but the recommended amp range is 25-100w for the 685. However, to get that with multiple channels in an AVR you usually need to go for 130 wpc or higher rating.

You need to remember that twice the watts does NOT mean twice the volume. Far from it, in fact. Doubling the volume takes a ten fold increase in power, doubling the power will only gain you 3 dB. Most AVRs are rated between 50 and 150 wpc, so the max volume difference between low and high power receivers is only about 4.5 dB. This can be the difference between clipping and clean play on a very loud passage or a movie explosion with the volume turned way up, but isn't ordinarily an issue at all for most listening by most people.



I edited this because my math skills failed me. Going from 50 to 100 is a doubling of power, and thus adds 3dB. Going from 100 to 150 is only adding 50%, which gives us much less of an additional boost.
Edited by JD in NJ - 2/8/13 at 4:48am

Agreed. I believe you need to have at least the upper rating of the speaker available and with AVRs that depends upon how many channels you have plus what format (all channel stereo vs Dolby PLIIz, etc) and whether you have a sub and what crossovers are set, etc. Most AVRs deliver much less to multiple channels than their WPC rating. So to try and answer whether the 720 is adequate, it depends. Most likely yes but...
Edited by jima4a - 2/8/13 at 5:38am

Since I am the owner of B+W DM7's, you might consider me a curator rather than an owner and berhaps I should post in the antiquities thread. Anyways, they are being driven by an Adcom GFA-555 II and they hold up well but the 200 W RMS per channel does not blow me away volume wise and they are just tired sounding. Can they be updated? Is there any point? If I wanted to replace them, what could people recommend around $1000 for a pair. They are part of a surround sound system so I want to stick with B+W or other 'english soundin' speaker.

683 assuming they are for L/R. Also Kef Q series.

The 683s are $1500 MSRP. You can get the KEF Q900s for $1300 from accessories4less.com.

Looking for a pair of 802 or 800 nautilus speakers.... if anyone knows of a pair at a good price shoot me a pm. i would prefer someone who is moving or downsizing as i have a great pair of 804S that i would trade plus cash for the larger speakers.

thanks
Bill

 

Yes it doesn't seem to make any difference, I tried the CA-5200 using two channel to bi-amp and compare with one channel, and I could not hear a difference!

 

Yes, now I have tried bi-amping and I could not hear any difference.

Yes, but, c'mon man, this is a B&W thread.

Plus, I don't think the 683s have been unfortunate enough to be measured in the back yard by John Atkinson and graphically dissected to show all the flaws of the drivers. Ignorance is bliss.

I have no doubt the Q900 sound great, though.

And while we are at it, I would also throw out that the Focal 814v are only $800/pr and the MSRP is $1800.
http://www.accessories4less.com/index.php?page=search&search_query=Focal&x=0&y=0

I was only correcting the price for the 683s as $1500 when jim mentioned $1000. The above mentioned speakers were discussed so I provided prices. I get that it's a B&W thread. No need to get your panties in a twist.

I was purely 100% joking around.

If you find the right dealer, you should be able to get up to 20% off the 683s or at least 10%. Still above target of $1000 but that is the only tower in the 600s I would recommend.

Good point. I think it's only fair to compare brand new MSRP vs brand new MSRP, not refurbished or open box KEF from accessories4less or street prices.

The MSRP of the 683 is $1500/pr.
The MSRP of the Q900 is $1800/pr.
The MSRP of the Focal 814v is $1800/pr, yet you can buy them brand new from A4L for $800.

I got my 802D2 @ 20% off brand new. Others may get 15, 10, or 5% off street prices.

So 10% off the $1500 on the B&W 683 would make it $1350, which is about the same as the KEF Q900.

Has anyone heard or know of any reviews of the new CWM8.3 in wall speakers?
I currently have Triad Gold 6 In wall speakers and am wondering how they might compare to the new CWM8.3's.

Agreed. Apologies for the earlier post. Wish I had dealers in the area that could offer me the 683s for $1350 or so.

Yeah, every situation is different. We just do what is best at the time we buy.

I think the SQ is pretty close within the price range. So KEF Q900 vs Revel F12 vs B&W 683 vs Focal vs Dynaudio, etc, is all good IMO. Most people would be very happy with any of these speakers. Although some of us may be a little too picky.

Still looking for 800 or 802 nautilus speakers... sold my other ones now the hunt is on!!!!!

let me know what you find... local dealers...other fourms ..... your local craigslist

help me out lets find them... i know they are out there.


thank you in advance,

Bill

Not 801's? Or are you hunting D's?

Being in Tampa is nice thought. would have to be a cannot pass it up price as i am not to kean on the larger cabinet. the "D"would be nice but i think the deal would be better for the older nautilus.

THANKS,

Bill