B&W Owner's Thread - Page 431

Originally Posted by Psycho Marco 

Wow for that price they MUST sound incredibly better than the CM9 which I own.
Kind regards
Marco

Originally Posted by nucky 

Hi all. I had Dali helicon 400 speakers for 5 years sold them they were just a little to big for my room loved the sound. Then I bought monitor audio platinum PL100 I did not like them far to bright and harsh for me. Then I tried tannoy precision 6.4 didn't like them either. So I got a home demo of the B&W 805d and Dali Epicon 2 sounded good but not enough bass. So then I got the B&W cm9 love the sound of them very smooth and good bass. So that's me joined the B&W family. This is my system.
B&W cm9 cmc2 dali in wall speakers soon to be B&W in wall. Velodyne DD10+ oppo 105 primare A30.5 amp Yamaha 3020 amp JVC X3 projector.
Thanks
Eric

Originally Posted by Psycho Marco Wow for that price they MUST sound incredibly better than the CM9 which I own.
Kind regards Marco

Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy The 802D2 do sound incredible, but there's always that point of diminishing returns. Interestingly, the 802D2 appears to be the best measured B&W speakers I've seen. HTM measured +/-2.9dB on the 5-point avg. 200-10kHz FR.

Originally Posted by wse 

I have the 802Ds and 800D2 what an improvement

Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy  You're talking an improvement going from the 802D1 to the 800D2? Well, not based on the Stereophile measurements of the 802D1 vs 800D2.
http://www.stereophile.com/content/bw-802d-loudspeaker-measurements
http://www.stereophile.com/content/bampw-800-diamond-loudspeaker-measurements

802D1:


800D2:


As you can see, the 802D1's measurements actually look a little better than the 800D2 from 200Hz-10kHz; but certainly not worse than the 800D2. At 10kHz, the 800D2 is up +5.0dB, while the 802D1 is +3.5dB.

Originally Posted by alex cheng 

Awesome nucky - I'm getting the same speakers delivered on the weekend. What finish did you go for?

Originally Posted by wse 

"There's another way to look at this phenomenon. Both the 802D and 800 Diamond could play at very high levels without distress, but I found I could play the 800 at much higher levels without evoking any listener stress."


Also there is a bit more than mere measurements! Anyway to me the 800Diamonds D2 are outstanding and I would not trade them for the 802D2 but that's just me

Originally Posted by nucky 

Here are some pics

Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy Sure, measurements are not everything. But everyone has an opinion, including the magazine reviewer, and it holds no more weight than the next or last opinion. Purely subjective biased opinions, which is fine and expected. But they are just like any opinion.

But if I am comparing objectively, what I look at is the actual OBJECTIVE measurements.

A +3.5dB will not sound as BRIGHT as a +5.0dB @ 10kHz, for example.

And the new 802D2 is even better at +2.9dB @ 10kHz.

http://www.hometheater.com/content/bampw-802-diamond-speaker-system-ht-labs-measures

I'm not saying which speaker sounds better subjectively.

All I'm saying is that I would not be proclaiming blanket statements to everyone that the 800D2 SUBJECTIVELY sounds better than the 802D1 when the 800D2 OBJECTIVELY measures worse than the 802D1 and justifying with "measurements aren't everything".

If measurements aren't everything, then subjective biased opinions mean even LESS.

Let's just say each speaker sounds great in its own right, whichever model it may be.

Originally Posted by wse 

To each their own, I use my ears rather than endless measurements.

Originally Posted by wse 

If I understand you correctly the 802D2 should be king of the hills in the B&W800 series yes?

Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy Other people use their own ears too. What's the point of hashing it back and forth saying "this speaker sounds better than that speaker because I use my own ears" ? You would be incorrect.

Although the 802D2 & 802D1 both objectively measure better than the 800D2, I don't think one sounds better than the other subjectively. And I would not claim any speaker sounds much better than another. It's a matter of preference.

Originally Posted by beaveav ADTG, I like your reliance on measurements - but only to an extent. You have to realize that Stereophile's measurements, as helpful as they are, are still only the tip of the iceberg of what can be measured for a speaker. For example, Stereophile doesn't do THD, IMD, Klippel, compression, etc.

When you have a speaker measured by Stereophile AND at the NRC, then you start to get a good picture of what the speaker does. But just relying on Stereophile's (incomplete) measurements, by themselves, can get you into a little trouble.

Originally Posted by beaveav 

ADTG, I like your reliance on measurements - but only to an extent. You have to realize that Stereophile's measurements, as helpful as they are, are still only the tip of the iceberg of what can be measured for a speaker. For example, Stereophile doesn't do THD, IMD, Klippel, compression, etc.

When you have a speaker measured by Stereophile AND at the NRC, then you start to get a good picture of what the speaker does.

But just relying on Stereophile's (incomplete) measurements, by themselves, can get you into a little trouble.

Originally Posted by beaveav 

ADTG, I like your reliance on measurements - but only to an extent. You have to realize that Stereophile's measurements, as helpful as they are, are still only the tip of the iceberg of what can be measured for a speaker. For example, Stereophile doesn't do THD, IMD, Klippel, compression, etc.

When you have a speaker measured by Stereophile AND at the NRC, then you start to get a good picture of what the speaker does.

But just relying on Stereophile's (incomplete) measurements, by themselves, can get you into a little trouble.

Originally Posted by alex cheng 

Awesome nucky - I'm getting the same speakers delivered on the weekend. What finish did you go for?

Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy 

Of course, we all know that having multiple sets of measurements from multiple sources is ideal.

But we don't have that luxury most of the time. It's life. We're lucky if we have one single set of measurements to compare.

So like everything else in life, we just make the best out of what we have. And that's why we say "measurements aren't everything". But they are something.

Originally Posted by ray16kv 

What gauge of wire should I use for my CM5 speakers? 10 to 15 ft away from receiver.

Originally Posted by ray16kv 

What gauge of wire should I use for my CM5 speakers? 10 to 15 ft away from receiver.