B&W Owner's Thread - Page 434

Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy 

I don't know about that. But he sold his B&W speakers.

Originally Posted by wse 

Ok I have a question, I am thinking to potentially sell my four 802D1 to upgrade to 802D2 for surround R/L and get a pair of 805D?

What do you think should I, is it worth it?

Originally Posted by skidawgz 

I thought I heard a rumor that more speakers will be soon released in the CM line featuring the "Tweeter on top" design. Has anyone heard/seen the same?

Originally Posted by jima4a 

I agree, B&W should introduce a new 700 series that is closer to the 800 series in SQ at a price between CM and 800.

Originally Posted by baranowski 

I know this is a b&w forum... but i read that some of you have other brand of speakers as well.

i like my 804S hometheater, i have been looking for 802 or 800 nautilus speakers to change out the front two...

i am growing ever so tired of looking for good 802 speakers in my area...

so now i am thinking of jumping ship... what other brands do you have and how do they compare?

thanks,
Bill

Originally Posted by Matts 

I have not heard that. B&W did that with the old 700 series, but then discontinued the series after sales of the 700 series started to cannibalize sales of the 800 series.

Originally Posted by pbarach 

Are you sure that's true? There was a huge price gap between the 700 series and the 800 series, and a big jump in sound quality, too (and I say this as a happy 700-series owner).

Originally Posted by mominayal 

can someone comment on the sq difference between 802D and 800D relative to the price difference?

Originally Posted by BVLDARI 

Are you talking about D1 or D2? I've heard the 800D2 and 802D2 in the same room at the dealer run off the same exact equipment down to the same exact wires. In my opinion, to my ears, the difference was fairly small. Certainly not $9k worth. Again, in my opinion. I am sure you will find more than one person in this thread that will tell you that the difference is big and certainly justified, and I can't disagree with them. The best thing you can do is go listen to each preferably in the same room off the same equipment. Be sure to take your time and figure out what's important to you.

Originally Posted by Matts 

Price gap was high compared to the higher end 800 models, or at least the top two models in the 800 series, but the 703 floorstanders were priced where the CM9 are at now, but that almost 7 or 8 years ago when the 703's came out, if my memory is right, not sure exactly the year. By comparison the older 804 and 803N were price much lower back then of course to where they are now. Now performance wise the 703 held it's own against the older 804S, and was closer in price then where the CM9 is compared to the 804di today, as the 804Di saw it's price increase substantially when it got the Diamond tweeter back in 2010. But yes the top two models in the new 800 line are still a large step up over even the older 700 series in both performance and price.

Originally Posted by mominayal 

can someone comment on the sq difference between 802D and 800D relative to the price difference?

Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy 



I think they both sound great regardless of on-axis & off-axis measurements.

Originally Posted by Martin2395 

Hello guys! I just bought a pair of my dream speakers - the Nautilus 802. They sound faboulous but I noticed that someone tried to pull the FST mid out of the nautilus head as the rubber seal between the driver and the head looks slightly damaged. There is also a very small chip on the Nautilus head.
The speaker works perfectly but it just doesn't look good.

Do someone have an idea how can I safely remove the FST midrange to place the rubber seal correctly?

Originally Posted by yoda dk 

Hi guys
i,m new here. and could use some advice from you. i currently own 585 fronts htm62 center and 686 rear speakers. i wanted to upgrade and was thinking 683 for front and 2x 610xp subs and maybe htm 61 for center. but this week i found two second hand asw 750s and bought them.so now i need 683 but.i have heard people saying thar they are boomy? i listen to them once and i noticed it the boomynis my self. what i like about them is they play really deep,and the fst is a reel pleasure to listen to. but once and a while wenn playing loud the boomunis is there. not much but it is there.

i have owned 604s1 and with a 2x 200 watt preamp the bass was nice deep and tight. i listened to the 683 with a 2x 200 watt preamp. do they need more power to get all clean, and tight in the bass?? i can't afford cm9 so im thinking CM5 with my two asw 750.what would you do? go for 683 or cm5?

Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy 

If you are doing 5.2, then your subwoofers are handling all the power-hungry bass and so your towers will not be needing that much power. Thus, increasing the amp beyond 200WPC will not improve the sound of the towers.

Try placing the towers away from the walls. If you are using Room Correction, try bypassing that and see if it helps.

Originally Posted by yoda dk 

hi tech guy. i don't own the 683s yet i heard them at the dealer. so i haven't tried to move them around.my av doesn't have audessey so i can't bypass them at home.. i have read treads here and other places were people mention the boomynis in them. so i'm a litle worried because i really like them and i can't afford to go higher like cm9s i thought it was a matter of putting more power in to them. i think buying them i might regret it in the end,cause i like a clean deep and tight bass

Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy 

Deep tight bass won't be coming from any amps or most of these towers, including the CM9 or B&W 800D2. Deep tight bass should come from subwoofers.

Instead, focus on the clarity of the midrange, smoothness of the tweeter, and overall soundstage.

Originally Posted by yoda dk 

ok thanks for your advice. what would be the best cross over for the 683s and the 750s how low should i set the hz?

Originally Posted by Matts 

I have not heard that. B&W did that with the old 700 series, but then discontinued the series after sales of the 700 series started to cannibalize sales of the 800 series. The problem really for B&W is that are struggling in sales in their home country, (both KEF and Monitor Audio) outsell them in the UK. Part of this is the large chasm in pricing from each line. B&W really only has three lines of what most consider hi-fi stereo loudspeakers, the 600 series, CM and 800 series. Most other companies have wider ranges with more aggressive pricing as you go up the line. KEF has the C, Q, R and Reference lines. The new R series gets you closer to the Reference line, in terms of performance. That makes it easy for somebody who is trying to build up to the flagship range, They can purchase the R series and then in a year or two they can trade up to the flagship line for a lot less money. With B&W series you have the CM series that ranges in price from anywhere from &1500 to $3000. Then the next series up starts out at $7500 for the cheapest floor stander. That is huge jump. Don't get me wrong I think that all the B&W lines sound good and obviously I own B&W speakers and consider them some of the best sounding speakers at any price. But to the more value oriented consumer it's tough to make the jump in the B&W lines.

I would like to see B&W get more aggressive with the pricing. You have the 600 and CM series that are fairly aggressively priced. The jump from the 600 series to the CM series is in line with most other manufactures, but the jump from the CM to the 800 is drastic. I think that either another line, positioned between the CM and 800, or a complete retooling of all line would be in order. The problem really started when B&W added the Diamond tweeter to al models in the 800 series, rather than just the top two models. When that happened the lower three models 805, 804 and 803 nearly doubled in price, and there was nothing introduced to fill that gap.

If history is any indication it could be next year and then 2015 before we see revisions to the CM and 800 lines.