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post #13141 of 17994
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

 Could not afford an other 802D2 money unfortunately doesn't grow on trees! 

"The 802D1 got better measurements than the 802D2?"  Please dig!

you are right, i just checked in the backyard and didn't find any tongue.gif.

Ok, so then I will say this, get a pair of 802D2 and keep a pair of 802D1. Selling both and getting a pair of 802D2 and a pair of 805D2 will not save you much and I am fairly certain you will end up upgrading later anyways...
post #13142 of 17994
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Originally Posted by thrang View PostHard to say, as its not easy, if impossible, to evaluate side by side the old and new Diamonds...I'd also be hesitant to give up the marlan midrange's

Why not start with swapping the to 2 mains to new 802d2's and see how you like the blend?

I don't have 802D2 yet, I have 800D2 & 802D1

post #13143 of 17994
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

I don't have 802D2 yet, I have 800D2 & 802D1

Sorry, I've forgotten - the 802D1's are the side and rear surrounds then?

Are you feeling there's a mismatch, or are you getting the bug? smile.gif
post #13144 of 17994
hey guys have another little project in mind. Still working on the 802d2 deal but all this talk about 802d1 vs 802d2 has got me thinking, but anyways....

3 weeks ago i set up my ht. this includes cm9, cmc2, ds3X4.

The cm9s i have had for 2 years and are well broken in. the cmc2 is new out of the box.

I am not happy with the cmc2 sound. The dialog is just not as rich as i expected. My question is will changing the center from the cmc2 to a 700 CT series speaker like the 7.3 give me the sound I want or shlould I wait for the cmc2 to "break in" The issue at hand is that I probably can convice my dealer to take the cmc2 back for what i paid and swap for the 7.3, but if i wait another month or two he probably wont do that. anyway he may be able to bring a 7.4 over later this week for an in house demo, but wanted to know if you guys have any experience with this issue or any thoughts?
post #13145 of 17994
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Originally Posted by thrang View PostSorry, I've forgotten - the 802D1's are the side and rear surrounds then? Are you feeling there's a mismatch, or are you getting the bug? smile.gif

No worries matte, my wife call's it a disease :)

 

Upgraditis it's for life

post #13146 of 17994
a pair of 802d2 just got posted on audiogon if your interested
post #13147 of 17994
It's too bad the seller is located in Canada. (duty fees)
Edited by SugarmillMan - 3/12/13 at 6:07am
post #13148 of 17994
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Originally Posted by SugarmillMan View Post

It's too bad the seller is located in Canada. (duty fees)

Even on second hand items?
post #13149 of 17994
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

I am not sure I understand so are you saying just get 805D2 for surrounds?  Yes the center channel gets 50% of the total movie wich is why I got the 800Diamond smile.gif

I don't understand people who get a cheap center channel!


I love listening to SACDs in multi-channel music so at least one pair of 802Ds ! or @ are worth it for me

I am saying I would rather have the 802D1 than the 805D2 or the 805D3, 805D4, etc, years from now.

I would not trade in four 802D1 to get two 802D2.

Surely even if you believe the 802D2 sound better than the 802D1, you don't believe the 802D2 sound 100%, 75%, 50%, or 25% better, do you? Maybe 10% better?
post #13150 of 17994
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View PostI am saying I would rather have the 802D1 than the 805D2 or the 805D3, 805D4, etc, years from now.
I would not trade in four 802D1 to get two 802D2.  Surely even if you believe the 802D2 sound better than the 802D1, you don't believe the 802D2 sound 100%, 75%, 50%, or 25% better, do you? Maybe 10% better?

Thank you for your opinion, I just feel that since I cross over the 802D1 surround speakers to 80Hz it is a waist so I might as well get two channel speakers!

post #13151 of 17994
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Originally Posted by SugarmillMan View Post It's too bad the seller is located in Canada. (duty fees)

And they are black :( My wife thinks they look like coffins!

post #13152 of 17994
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Originally Posted by BVLDARI View Post

I am too lazy to go digging, but the 802D1 got better measurmeents than the 802D2?

No.

Stereophile only has measurements for the 802D1 and 800D2.

Home Theater Magazine (HTM) has the pseudo-anechoic 5-point average FR of the 802D2.

If we compare the on-axis & off-axis of the Stereophile 802D1 (+/-4dB) and 800D2 (+/-5dB), the 802D1 has better measurements.

If we compare the FR of the Stereophile 802D1 (+/-4dB) and the HTM 802D2 (+/-2.9dB), the 802D2 has better measurements. But we are now comparing Stereophile vs HMT, so it is not as clear as comparing Stereophile vs Stereophile.

The 805D2 is +4.84/–2.06 decibels from 200 hertz to 10 kilohertz on HTM, not as good as the 802D1 from Stereophile.
post #13153 of 17994
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

Thank you for your opinion, I just feel that since I cross over the 802D1 surround speakers to 80Hz it is a waist so I might as well get two channel speakers!

Why are you crossing over at 80hz and not at the same frequency as your 800's, or possible just a bit higher than the 800's?
post #13154 of 17994
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

Thank you for your opinion, I just feel that since I cross over the 802D1 surround speakers to 80Hz it is a waist so I might as well get two channel speakers!

You just need to STOP SPENDING MONEY! eek.gif

You know, I would go from 7.2 to 5.2 and trade in four 802D1 for two 800D2. biggrin.gif

A 5.2 system of five 800D2 + 2 JL is it. You can stop right there forever. biggrin.gif
post #13155 of 17994
Yes I agree, I need to stop spending, but were is the fun in that
post #13156 of 17994
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Originally Posted by Rod#S View Post

Why are you crossing over at 80hz and not at the same frequency as your 800's, or possible just a bit higher than the 800's?

The 802D are sharing the Classe CA-5200
post #13157 of 17994
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

You just need to STOP SPENDING MONEY! eek.gif You know, I would go from 7.2 to 5.2 and trade in four 802D1 for two 800D2. biggrin.gif. A 5.2 system of five 800D2 + 2 JL is it. You can stop right there forever. biggrin.gif

Hum! Never thought about that 800Ds around smile.gif Love the idea, oops that would be it!
Edited by wse - 3/12/13 at 11:38am
post #13158 of 17994
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

Hum! Never thought about that 800Ds around smile.gif

You know 800D2 x 5 would be the ultimate.....as long as you don't add any 805D2 or anything less than the 800D2! biggrin.gif
post #13159 of 17994
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

Thank you for your opinion, I just feel that since I cross over the 802D1 surround speakers to 80Hz it is a waist so I might as well get two channel speakers!

Have you listened to the 805D2? They have a different sound than the rest of the 800 series. There is no escaping the midrange being different and serving double duty...
post #13160 of 17994
I think wse just needs to fly me out there for an REW session on the whole system. I bet we can find some tweaks to make some improvements. We will have to do extensive listening tests too of course.

EDIT: I'll even bring my EMO
post #13161 of 17994
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Originally Posted by dstew100 View Post

I think wse just needs to fly me out there for an REW session on the whole system. I bet we can find some tweaks to make some improvements. We will have to do extensive listening tests too of course.

EDIT: I'll even bring my EMO

Agreed, we are trying to give sound advice (pun intended) from 1000s of miles away - we can do better than that!
post #13162 of 17994
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Originally Posted by SugarmillMan View Post

It's too bad the seller is located in Canada. (duty fees)

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Originally Posted by Rod#S View Post

Even on second hand items?

Absolutely. US Customs billed me about $60.00 for a used $900 amplifier I purchased from a Canadian citizen about 2 years ago. Buyer beware.
post #13163 of 17994
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Originally Posted by SugarmillMan View Post


Absolutely. US Customs billed me about $60.00 for a used $900 amplifier I purchased from a Canadian citizen about 2 years ago. Buyer beware.

Wow, buyer beware, no kidding, that sucks.
post #13164 of 17994
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Originally Posted by dstew100 View PostI think wse just needs to fly me out there for an REW session on the whole system. I bet we can find some tweaks to make some improvements. We will have to do extensive listening tests too of course.

EDIT: I'll even bring my EMO

Where are you based, are you a calibrator?

post #13165 of 17994
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

Hum! Never thought about that 800Ds around smile.gif

As someone who went from 7.1 to 5.1 I personally miss having the 4 surrounds so if it's something you might consider doing in the future, regardless of speaker just try running your system 5.1 for a while to see if you feel you are missing out on something you really liked. If you are only interested in discrete multi-channel audio and do not use Dolby PLIIx to extract surround information from either stereo or 5.1 sources then going 5.1 will not be much of a loss do to so few Blu-ray movie titles haivng 7.1. SACD and DVD-Audio only support 5.1. I'm not sure if there are any 7.1 Blu-ray music titles available.

Back to the speaker choice, the thing is you now have the 802D1's in house so keeping them just makes the most sense to me unlesss you were to do an all 800 5.1 system. Moving to the 802D2's is probably more of a horizontial move then vertical. Going to the 805's normally gets the response form me that you are going from better to worse but you did mention crossing over the 802's at 80hz. I don't understand why you are not crossing them over at the same frequency or just slightly higher then your 800's all of the time but doing this does tend to give a bit more merit to the 805 choice. If going 805's then it only makes sense to do it for all 4 of the surrounds(or surrounds in a 5.1 system) BUT you are going to give up mid range performance in doing so regardless. The choice which makes the least amount of sense to me is 802D2 and 805's.
post #13166 of 17994
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Originally Posted by BVLDARI View PostHave you listened to the 805D2? They have a different sound than the rest of the 800 series. There is no escaping the midrange being different and serving double duty...

Have not, maybe I should do that, will ask my dealer see how they sound?

post #13167 of 17994
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

Have not, maybe I should do that, will ask my dealer see how they sound?

Definitely audition the 805 before committing. Although I have never heard the 802D1, I suspect it sounds more like the 802D2 than does the 805D2.

P.S. I agree with Rod above.
post #13168 of 17994
Y
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Originally Posted by BVLDARI View Post

Definitely audition the 805 before committing. Although I have never heard the 802D1, I suspect it sounds more like the 802D2 than does the 805D2.

P.S. I agree with Rod above.

The 805 D are for surround back, but yes I will try and see so that way I know what I am getting into. The other option is to just forget the surround and just use the front channels!
post #13169 of 17994
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

The 805 D are for surround back, but yes I will try and see so that way I know what I am getting into. The other option is to just forget the surround and just use the front channels!

I think step 1 is to just sell the four 802D1 and make some money.

Then worry about step 2. biggrin.gif
post #13170 of 17994
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View PostI think step 1 is to just sell the four 802D1 and make some money. Then worry about step 2. biggrin.gif

YES, are you buying!

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