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post #13501 of 17843
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Originally Posted by ProfD View Post

Anyone know how I can get a single 685 to use as a center channel?

Your B&W dealer can special order a single speaker for you.
post #13502 of 17843
Funk Audio can make a F18.0 unpowered Sub for $2,000 + $$ for piano black high gloss to match. biggrin.gif

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post #13503 of 17843
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

Yes that's true I am unimpressed with the 805D, I am thinking that if I sell the two pairs of 802Ds I might just use the money to buy myself a nice pair of Sonus Faber Elips SE, always dreamed to own a pair of those.

The Elipsa's are definitely nice looking speakers, the SE more so than the standard because of the finish but what about the strads? Since the Elipsa's are more or less a scaled back version, wouldn't you prefer the strads for a dedicated 2 channel setup?
post #13504 of 17843
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

I know I've flashed a few numbers on subs, but if B&W had made a sub using the body of the 800D, I would buy it REGARDLESS of how they measured. biggrin.gif

And they could cut cost & weight by making the sub unpowered (using ext amp). biggrin.gif

Picture a McIntosh amp driving a 800D subwoofer. biggrin.gif


My dual RBH Reference SX-1010N (equivalent to SX-12) is literally the "body" of the speaker. A single sub could output high quality (low distortion, low Q) 108/111.1/113.7/112.7dB @ 32/40/50/62Hz from 2M.

The body of the 800D (& 802D) is much bigger than the SX-1010N! I bet a 800D or even 802D Sub could do 119-120dB across the sub frequencies. Imagine dual 800 or 802 subs flanking your dual 800D2 or 802D2! biggrin.gif

I am soooo with you cool.gif
post #13505 of 17843
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

I know I've flashed a few numbers on subs, but if B&W had made a sub using the body of the 800D, I would buy it REGARDLESS of how they measured. biggrin.gif

And they could cut cost & weight by making the sub unpowered (using ext amp). biggrin.gif

Picture a McIntosh amp driving a 800D subwoofer. biggrin.gif

My dual RBH Reference SX-1010N (equivalent to SX-12) is literally the "body" of the speaker. A single sub could output high quality (low distortion, low Q) 108/111.1/113.7/112.7dB @ 32/40/50/62Hz from 2M.

The body of the 800D (& 802D) is much bigger than the SX-1010N! I bet a 800D or even 802D Sub could do 119-120dB across the sub frequencies. Imagine dual 800 or 802 subs flanking your dual 800D2 or 802D2! biggrin.gif

I think if they were to do such a thing it would probably come with an internal amp, it seems most companies prefer that approach. I suppose it makes sense due to the convenience of an all in one package. I can't imagine purchasing an expensive amp like a Mac for a sub, not in my world anyways smile.gif I prefer the nice looking and expensive amps for driving regular speakers biggrin.gif not for a speaker with extremely limited frequency range, seems a waste smile.gif I personally never bought into the whole Mac thing anyways, I'm sure they are wonderful but I think I'm one of the few that finds the massive blue lights a turn off.

Having dual 800 or 802 sized sub cabinets up front would be wicked looking. I'm thinking the cabinets would be even bigger though, that is assuming we are talking about going beyond dual 8's or 10's and putting dual 15" drivers in them, or 18's eek.gif I guess maybe that might be excessive seeing how good the Gotham is and that just has dual 13's. Even the F212 is supposed to be quite the sub. But of course Thor's Hammer does have dual 15's cool.gif
post #13506 of 17843
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Originally Posted by Rod#S View Post

The Elipsa's are definitely nice looking speakers, the SE more so than the standard because of the finish but what about the strads? Since the Elipsa's are more or less a scaled back version, wouldn't you prefer the strads for a dedicated 2 channel setup?

Of course I would but can't afford to spend £49,000 on speakers
post #13507 of 17843
Need recommendation for amp. Room size is 15 x 15 x 8. Home theater for 50% and music 50%.

Plan to use B&W 805d as LCR and CCM 818 in ceiling as surrounds. Considering Marantz Av 8801 as preamp.

Possibilities include:

- McIntosh MC207 for $6000 for 7 channel amp

- Halo A31 for LCR at $3000 and A52 for surround channels for $2000.

- Marantz MM 8077 at a cost of $2400 for 7 channels

Other mfgrs such as Emotiva, Wyred 4 sound, and Outlaw are other lower priced possibilities.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.
post #13508 of 17843
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Originally Posted by ProfD View Post

Anyone know how I can get a single 685 to use as a center channel?

Someone was selling one in the Classifieds.

B.
post #13509 of 17843
Thanks. I PM'd that dude last night, after someone else PM'd me about that classified after they saw my question in this thread.
post #13510 of 17843
I ordered a new pair of 683s for $1299+tax and free shipping. I wanted to buy locally, but couldn't find anyone nearby at that price. Hope they arrive in one piece...
post #13511 of 17843
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

Of course I would but can't afford to spend £49,000 on speakers

Ah, gotcha. It wouldn't actually be that much though, the money you could get from 2 pairs of 802's would put a decent dent in the price but you would still be left with over 50%, so I guess still a heck of a lot of money in the end thus making the Elipsa's the more viable option.

So this brings up an interesting question. As you are an owner of 800's you are in a small but interesting group of people who I have noticed online who have either a) moved to another speaker of equal or more money after acquiring the 800's or b) are considering or have a separate 2 channel rig that does not consist of B&W speakers. Do you find the 800's lacking or maybe even regret building a system around B&W speakers becuase you are also trying to off load your 802's as well thus the possible desire to go a different manufacturer direction in another rig or is it simply if you have multiple systems you would just like to have some variety?
post #13512 of 17843
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Originally Posted by Rod#S View Post

I think if they were to do such a thing it would probably come with an internal amp, it seems most companies prefer that approach. I suppose it makes sense due to the convenience of an all in one package. I can't imagine purchasing an expensive amp like a Mac for a sub, not in my world anyways smile.gif I prefer the nice looking and expensive amps for driving regular speakers biggrin.gif not for a speaker with extremely limited frequency range, seems a waste smile.gif I personally never bought into the whole Mac thing anyways, I'm sure they are wonderful but I think I'm one of the few that finds the massive blue lights a turn off.

Having dual 800 or 802 sized sub cabinets up front would be wicked looking. I'm thinking the cabinets would be even bigger though, that is assuming we are talking about going beyond dual 8's or 10's and putting dual 15" drivers in them, or 18's eek.gif I guess maybe that might be excessive seeing how good the Gotham is and that just has dual 13's. Even the F212 is supposed to be quite the sub. But of course Thor's Hammer does have dual 15's cool.gif

Oh, yeah, even the JL 112 is great: 112.4/116.2/113.3/117.6dB @ 32/40/50/63Hz @ 2m. The F212 would be even better. And the "B&W 800 Sub w/ dual 12" would be BEST. wink.gif
post #13513 of 17843
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Originally Posted by deeda View Post

Need recommendation for amp. Room size is 15 x 15 x 8. Home theater for 50% and music 50%.

Plan to use B&W 805d as LCR and CCM 818 in ceiling as surrounds. Considering Marantz Av 8801 as preamp.

Possibilities include:

- McIntosh MC207 for $6000 for 7 channel amp

- Halo A31 for LCR at $3000 and A52 for surround channels for $2000.

- Marantz MM 8077 at a cost of $2400 for 7 channels

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Amps are very important, but speakers are even more important. So I would take that in perspective and get amps in the $2K-3K range total.

ATI AT2005 fully balanced from input to output, fuse-less protection circuit, made-in-USA w/ 7YR warranty for $2300:
http://www.classicaudioparts.com/index.php/amplifiers/ati-at2005-five-channel-x-200-watt-amplifier-b-stock-120-v.html

The McIntosh, Parasound, & Marantz amps you listed may have XLR connectors, but they are not fully balanced, which is perfectly fine. But for $5-6K, I expect fully balance.

In case you are not familiar w/ ATI, they make some amps for Mark Levinson, Lexicon, JBL, Cary Audio, Theta Digital, B&K, & Outlaw.
Edited by AcuDefTechGuy - 4/9/13 at 7:09am
post #13514 of 17843
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Originally Posted by Rod#S View PostAh, gotcha. It wouldn't actually be that much though, the money you could get from 2 pairs of 802's would put a decent dent in the price but you would still be left with over 50%, so I guess still a heck of a lot of money in the end thus making the Elipsa's the more viable option.  So this brings up an interesting question. As you are an owner of 800's you are in a small but interesting group of people who I have noticed online who have either a) moved to another speaker of equal or more money after acquiring the 800's or b) are considering or have a separate 2 channel rig that does not consist of B&W speakers. Do you find the 800's lacking or maybe even regret building a system around B&W speakers becuase you are also trying to off load your 802's as well thus the possible desire to go a different manufacturer direction in another rig or is it simply if you have multiple systems you would just like to have some variety?

 

 

No regrets, simply I have multiple systems and just like to have some variety :)

 

I own:

- B&W 800Diamonds the three fronts are not going anywhere they are amazing, the sound is outstanding (Classé SSP-800, Classé CA-M600)

- Kef LS50 in two channel system, (Classé CP-800, Classé CA-2100)

- Paradigm S1Be v3 as computer speakers (TEAC A-HO1 USB DAC Amplifier)

 

I am selling the 802D for a couple of reasons:

 

1. I think the surrounds are not as important as the fronts

2. If I had an unlimited amount of money I would keep them, but since like most of us, I don't,  the only way I can buy the Sonus Faber Elipsa SE is to sell the four 802Ds.

 

I love the look and sound of the Elipsa with string instruments, especially the violin and classical guitar

post #13515 of 17843
I forgot I also have a pair of Andrew Jones Pioneer SP-BS41-LR in the garage with an old Integra Research Pre/Pro
post #13516 of 17843
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

Oh, yeah, even the JL 112 is great: 112.4/116.2/113.3/117.6dB @ 32/40/50/63Hz @ 2m. The F212 would be even better. And the "B&W 800 Sub w/ dual 12" would be BEST. wink.gif

where do you find all these stats? What's the 113?
post #13517 of 17843
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Originally Posted by wse View Post


No regrets, simply I have multiple systems and just like to have some variety smile.gif




I own:
- B&W 800Diamonds the three fronts are not going anywhere they are amazing, the sound is outstanding (Classé SSP-800, Classé CA-M600)
- Kef LS50 in two channel system, (Classé CP-800, Classé CA-2100)
- Paradigm S1Be v3 as computer speakers (TEAC A-HO1 USB DAC Amplifier)

I am selling the 802D for a couple of reasons:

1. I think the surrounds are not as important as the fronts
2. If I had an unlimited amount of money I would keep them, but since like most of us, I don't,  the only way I can buy the Sonus Faber Elipsa SE is to sell the four 802Ds.

I love the look and sound of the Elipsa with string instruments, especially the violin and classical guitar

Ah cool, 3 different systems, very nice.
post #13518 of 17843
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Originally Posted by BVLDARI View Post

where do you find all these stats? What's the 113?

From Audioholics and Data-bass, but not all subs have been tested. I don't see any numbers for the F113.
post #13519 of 17843
About the sub in the 800 body..... i believe some one already said... the jl gothem. same tapered back.... and probably the same price as if B&W made one in the 800 body.....

Bill
post #13520 of 17843
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Originally Posted by wse View Post


No regrets, simply I have multiple systems and just like to have some variety smile.gif




I own:
- B&W 800Diamonds the three fronts are not going anywhere they are amazing, the sound is outstanding (Classé SSP-800, Classé CA-M600)
- Kef LS50 in two channel system, (Classé CP-800, Classé CA-2100)
- Paradigm S1Be v3 as computer speakers (TEAC A-HO1 USB DAC Amplifier)

I am selling the 802D for a couple of reasons:

1. I think the surrounds are not as important as the fronts
2. If I had an unlimited amount of money I would keep them, but since like most of us, I don't,  the only way I can buy the Sonus Faber Elipsa SE is to sell the four 802Ds.

I love the look and sound of the Elipsa with string instruments, especially the violin and classical guitar

Hi WSE, which surround speakers you will use if you sell the 802D?
post #13521 of 17843
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Originally Posted by deeda View Post

Need recommendation for amp. Room size is 15 x 15 x 8. Home theater for 50% and music 50%.

Plan to use B&W 805d as LCR and CCM 818 in ceiling as surrounds. Considering Marantz Av 8801 as preamp.

Possibilities include:

- McIntosh MC207 for $6000 for 7 channel amp

- Halo A31 for LCR at $3000 and A52 for surround channels for $2000.

- Marantz MM 8077 at a cost of $2400 for 7 channels

Other mfgrs such as Emotiva, Wyred 4 sound, and Outlaw are other lower priced possibilities.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

to be honest..... i would not go with the mcintosh.( i love the way they look and all). for your application using bookshelfs, you do not need all that much amp wise. go with a good cheaper ss amp. the marantz would probably be just fine.
post #13522 of 17843
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Originally Posted by leo2498 View PostHi WSE, which surround speakers you will use if you sell the 802D?

I am looking to put the KEF LS 50, I am going to set-them up and try this weekend :)  They are very impressive for the price (discounted off course)

post #13523 of 17843
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Originally Posted by baranowski View Post

About the sub in the 800 body..... i believe some one already said... the jl gothem. same tapered back.... and probably the same price as if B&W made one in the 800 body.....

Bill

it's missing the marlan head tongue.gif
post #13524 of 17843
True... no marlin head
post #13525 of 17843
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

I am looking to put the KEF LS 50, I am going to set-them up and try this weekend smile.gif  They are very impressive for the price (discounted off course)
ohh I see, yes I think that it will execute the task with excelente result. I was with the 805D for the rear for timbral matching but I think that in that potion the diamond series are a waste of money. I have a question for you I want to change my gear for something high end like the stereo combo classe but I wondering if a CA5300 will sound the same that a CA2300 in two channel playing , are you tested your CA5200 in two channel and have compared this with your monos?
thanks.
post #13526 of 17843
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Originally Posted by BVLDARI View Post

it's missing the marlan head tongue.gif

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Originally Posted by baranowski View Post

True... no marlin head

lol..true but even if B&W were to build this theoretical sub for us it wouldn't have a marlan head either, there would be no point as the head unit houses the mid range and high frequency drivers, both of which are not going to be part of a sub. Instead of having the void at the top covered completely with leather it would be all wood, as would the bottom of the cabinet where the flowport is now. Someone needs to do up a Photoshop of this thing smile.gif I think I would prefer the 800's cabinet design for a sub, the larger aluminum plinth would suit it very well and of course the angled bottom that matches the angled top just adds that extra bit of styling. The only problem I see is the amplifier controls. These are typically placed on a flat surfaces (mainly due to the heat syncs) which the 800 and 802 cabinets do not have. I guess the way around this would have to be external amplification.
post #13527 of 17843
ok Rod, I agree with you: use the 800 body for suse. rest of the system goes like this: 1. amp goes in the base; 2. all of the "controls" go in the marlan head with a nice faceplate that can be covered with the regular magnet mesh grill; 3. On/Off button goes in the tweeter cool.gif
post #13528 of 17843
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Originally Posted by BVLDARI View Post

ok Rod, I agree with you: use the 800 body for suse. rest of the system goes like this: 1. amp goes in the base; 2. all of the "controls" go in the marlan head with a nice faceplate that can be covered with the regular magnet mesh grill; 3. On/Off button goes in the tweeter cool.gif

Ugh.  

post #13529 of 17843
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Originally Posted by wse View Post


No regrets, simply I have multiple systems and just like to have some variety smile.gif




I own:
- B&W 800Diamonds the three fronts are not going anywhere they are amazing, the sound is outstanding (Classé SSP-800, Classé CA-M600)
- Kef LS50 in two channel system, (Classé CP-800, Classé CA-2100)
- Paradigm S1Be v3 as computer speakers (TEAC A-HO1 USB DAC Amplifier)

I am selling the 802D for a couple of reasons:

1. I think the surrounds are not as important as the fronts
2. If I had an unlimited amount of money I would keep them, but since like most of us, I don't,  the only way I can buy the Sonus Faber Elipsa SE is to sell the four 802Ds.

I love the look and sound of the Elipsa with string instruments, especially the violin and classical guitar

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Originally Posted by leo2498 View Post

ohh I see, yes I think that it will execute the task with excelente result. I was with the 805D for the rear for timbral matching but I think that in that potion the diamond series are a waste of money. I have a question for you I want to change my gear for something high end like the stereo combo classe but I wondering if a CA5300 will sound the same that a CA2300 in two channel playing , are you tested your CA5200 in two channel and have compared this with your monos?
thanks.

The CA-M600 have more punch than the ca-5200 to drive the 800Diamonds, having said that if I cross over the 800D to 80 Hz the CA-5200 plays fine!

If you ar looking for a stereo amp I would go with the CA-2300, passive bi-amping is useless!
post #13530 of 17843
Hi,

I am about to order a pair of 802D2's and a HTM2 and wanted to check something. This thread seems to have many 8xx owners so sorry if this has been discussed but i want to get a general feeling on how 'true' a claim is i heard.

I normally use a denon avp and poa. But i had a small problem that got worse over time with the AVP (after 4 years of perfect action) so its back in the shop for repair. In the mean time i had a loaner marantz 8801 that somehow developed a broken channel within the first 2 hours (shutting the POA down).

The place that does the repair likes Aurum speakers so might be a little biased but they say they had a client that already has blown 3 tweeters inside his 8xx speakers. So my question is is there any hint of a the new diamond line to be known to blow tweeters ? Since they are 1500 euro to replace it seems good to know before i make up my mind.

So urban legend or does the claim have some merit ?

Daniel.
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