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post #13531 of 17801
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Originally Posted by danielo View PostHi, I am about to order a pair of 802D2's and a HTM2 and wanted to check something. This thread seems to have many 8xx owners so sorry if this has been discussed but i want to get a general feeling on how 'true' a claim is i heard.

I normally use a denon avp and poa. But i had a small problem that got worse over time with the AVP (after 4 years of perfect action) so its back in the shop for repair. In the mean time i had a loaner marantz 8801 that somehow developed a broken channel within the first 2 hours (shutting the POA down).

The place that does the repair likes Aurum speakers so might be a little biased but they say they had a client that already has blown 3 tweeters inside his 8xx speakers. So my question is is there any hint of a the new diamond line to be known to blow tweeters ? Since they are 1500 euro to replace it seems good to know before i make up my mind. So urban legend or does the claim have some merit ? Daniel.

BS I have never blown a tweeter and have owned my 802Ds for five years, you need quality amplification that's all.  Also it depends if you listen at ear bleeding level all the time!

post #13532 of 17801
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Originally Posted by danielo View Post

Hi,

I am about to order a pair of 802D2's and a HTM2 and wanted to check something. This thread seems to have many 8xx owners so sorry if this has been discussed but i want to get a general feeling on how 'true' a claim is i heard.

I normally use a denon avp and poa. But i had a small problem that got worse over time with the AVP (after 4 years of perfect action) so its back in the shop for repair. In the mean time i had a loaner marantz 8801 that somehow developed a broken channel within the first 2 hours (shutting the POA down).

The place that does the repair likes Aurum speakers so might be a little biased but they say they had a client that already has blown 3 tweeters inside his 8xx speakers. So my question is is there any hint of a the new diamond line to be known to blow tweeters ? Since they are 1500 euro to replace it seems good to know before i make up my mind.

So urban legend or does the claim have some merit ?

Daniel.

Blown tweeter usually means broken DAC or amplifier.
post #13533 of 17801
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Originally Posted by danielo View Post

Hi,

I am about to order a pair of 802D2's and a HTM2 and wanted to check something. This thread seems to have many 8xx owners so sorry if this has been discussed but i want to get a general feeling on how 'true' a claim is i heard.

I normally use a denon avp and poa. But i had a small problem that got worse over time with the AVP (after 4 years of perfect action) so its back in the shop for repair. In the mean time i had a loaner marantz 8801 that somehow developed a broken channel within the first 2 hours (shutting the POA down).

The place that does the repair likes Aurum speakers so might be a little biased but they say they had a client that already has blown 3 tweeters inside his 8xx speakers. So my question is is there any hint of a the new diamond line to be known to blow tweeters ? Since they are 1500 euro to replace it seems good to know before i make up my mind.

So urban legend or does the claim have some merit ?

Daniel.

Blown tweeter usually means broken DAC or amplifier.
post #13534 of 17801
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Originally Posted by Rod#S View Post

I think I would prefer the 800's cabinet design for a sub, the larger aluminum plinth would suit it very well and of course the angled bottom that matches the angled top just adds that extra bit of styling. The only problem I see is the amplifier controls. These are typically placed on a flat surfaces (mainly due to the heat syncs) which the 800 and 802 cabinets do not have. I guess the way around this would have to be external amplification.

Exactly....ext amp.

The $15K Focal Utopia sub uses ext amp....the flagship $9K Funk 18.2 sub uses ext amp...

I think it would be cool to use the 800D2 plinth w/ dual 10" woofers (think dual JL F110). It would be subwoofer + art. biggrin.gif

Behold, the B&W 800Sub: biggrin.gif



Edited by AcuDefTechGuy - 4/10/13 at 6:56am
post #13535 of 17801
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Originally Posted by danielo View Post

Hi,

I am about to order a pair of 802D2's and a HTM2 and wanted to check something. This thread seems to have many 8xx owners so sorry if this has been discussed but i want to get a general feeling on how 'true' a claim is i heard.

I normally use a denon avp and poa. But i had a small problem that got worse over time with the AVP (after 4 years of perfect action) so its back in the shop for repair. In the mean time i had a loaner marantz 8801 that somehow developed a broken channel within the first 2 hours (shutting the POA down).

The place that does the repair likes Aurum speakers so might be a little biased but they say they had a client that already has blown 3 tweeters inside his 8xx speakers. So my question is is there any hint of a the new diamond line to be known to blow tweeters ? Since they are 1500 euro to replace it seems good to know before i make up my mind.

So urban legend or does the claim have some merit ?

Daniel.

You will blow tweeters if you touch them, if your guests touch them, or your kids touch them. This is why my dealer has heavy tape holding extra deep tweeter covers on their diamond speakers - they don't want anyone touching the diamond. Otherwise I've only heard of one case where the tweeter "burned out". Clearly a burned out tweeter is covered by warranty as it should not do that. A "broken" tweeter will likely not be covered. So in short, I personally am not aware of any design flaws with the tweeters. Hopefully others will chime in.
Edited by BVLDARI - 4/10/13 at 7:18am
post #13536 of 17801
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

Exactly....ext amp.

The $15K Focal Utopia sub uses ext amp....the flagship $9K Funk 18.2 sub uses ext amp...

I think it would be cool to use the 800D2 plinth w/ dual 10" woofers (think dual JL F110). It would be subwoofer + art. biggrin.gif

Behold, the B&W 800Sub: biggrin.gif

Cool, thanks for posting that.
post #13537 of 17801
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Originally Posted by wse View Post


The CA-M600 have more punch than the ca-5200 to drive the 800Diamonds, having said that if I cross over the 800D to 80 Hz the CA-5200 plays fine!

If you ar looking for a stereo amp I would go with the CA-2300, passive bi-amping is useless!

Many thanks for your answer.
post #13538 of 17801
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Originally Posted by BVLDARI View Post

You will blow tweeters if you touch them, if your guests touch them, or your kids touch them. This is why my dealer has heavy tape holding extra deep tweeter covers on their diamond speakers - they don't want anyone touching the diamond. Otherwise I've only heard of one case where the tweeter "burned out". Clearly a burned out tweeter is covered by warranty as it should not do that. A "broken" tweeter will likely not be covered. So in short, I personally am not aware of any design flaws with the tweeters. Hopefully others will chime in.

The normal ways to break a tweeter that involves touching them i assume are excluded. Anyone who brings kids or dogs or is just plain stupid ill force to pay a $1500 bond smile.gif. But this is not new and not what i was talking about.

I was talking about normal use on we assume non-clipping amps. I hope more people give their opinion but so far it seems that these tweeters are not more or less prone to break under normal use.

@swe , thanks for your feedback what do you consider earbleeding levels ? do you consider a few hours music at calibrated 0dB normal, these types of speakers should be able to handle that no ?

Daniel.
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Yay! I got my replacement pair of 683s from UPS yesterday. The UPS guy came to my house twice yesterday because he couldn't wait to get my speakers off of his truck! I examined them carefully, and they look to have arrived in one piece. Although the boxes looked somewhat less than ideal, I can find no flaw in the speakers.

I am going Phantom Center Channel for now or until I can find a single 685 center at a reasonable price. That guy in the Audio Gear forum never replied to my PM... in any case, is it OK to keep a 685 on its side?
post #13540 of 17801
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Originally Posted by ProfD View Post

Yay! I got my replacement pair of 683s from UPS yesterday. The UPS guy came to my house twice yesterday because he couldn't wait to get my speakers off of his truck! I examined them carefully, and they look to have arrived in one piece. Although the boxes looked somewhat less than ideal, I can find no flaw in the speakers.

I am going Phantom Center Channel for now or until I can find a single 685 center at a reasonable price. That guy in the Audio Gear forum never replied to my PM... in any case, is it OK to keep a 685 on its side?

definitely not recommended to keep it on its side...it will really give you an odd listening field and it will not do well on its side...and you would be better off with one meant to be sideways if you can't keep it upright, i.e. htm61 even if it pains me to say it.
post #13541 of 17801
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Originally Posted by ProfD View Post

... in any case, is it OK to keep a 685 on its side?

You mean for storage or for listening? eek.gif

Unless the speaker uses concentric drivers (like KEF, TAD, etc), placing a vertically-designed speaker HORIZONTALLY would sound very bad.

For temporary short-term storage inside their ORIGINAL CARTONS, if it's done carefully, I don't see an issue.
post #13542 of 17801
Yes, I meant for listening. I guess if I ever decide I need a center channel it will have to be the HTM61. Thanks!
post #13543 of 17801
my htm61 works great so far no complaints, i was in the same boat going with the 685 single bookshelf but my wife had other input so i got out voted because it looks cosmeticaly weird,

htm61 with the fst matches the 683's really well

at some point i will need to change out my klipsch rsw in wall rear speakers to bowers in walls and buy a seperate 3 channel amp my yamaha rx a2000 isnt going to cut it, i have it down to 6 ohms now at 150 wpc i think
post #13544 of 17801
My fronts are 683 and surrounds are 685 I tried the 685 before purchasing the htm61. Then tried the 61 and thought it was much better as a center . Took a little bit more effort to set up but works great for me
post #13545 of 17801
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

Exactly....ext amp. The $15K Focal Utopia sub uses ext amp....the flagship $9K Funk 18.2 sub uses ext amp...
I think it would be cool to use the 800D2 plinth w/ dual 10" woofers (think dual JL F110). It would be subwoofer + art. biggrin.gif Behold, the B&W 800Sub: biggrin.gif



That is cool I want one or two smile.gif
post #13546 of 17801
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

That is cool I want one or two smile.gif

Right? smile.gif

I would order 2 please! biggrin.gif
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Can anyone find a place where an HTM61 would fit into my setup?
I am having a hard time... granted movies sound very good even without it.
post #13548 of 17801
Sorry - can't put a round peg into a square hole.

The solution is very simple - get a new A/V Stand or mount the TV on the wall.
post #13549 of 17801
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Originally Posted by Paraneer View Post

Sorry - can't put a round peg into a square hole.

The solution is very simple - get a new A/V Stand or mount the TV on the wall.

Second that. There are open shelve stands available. It would be better for your receiver to take it out of enclosed space. B&W speakers consume a lot of power, so it will get hot when played at reference level. You may also consider moving subwoofer to the side from main speakers to get more symmetry.
post #13550 of 17801
My vote is to mount TV on the wall... easy and you can keep the existing stand. You can then place the center channel on top of the stand which will get it higher up to ear level (rather than near the floor... even if you COULD fit it down there, it's too low IMO).
post #13551 of 17801
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Originally Posted by tgrinch View Post

My vote is to mount TV on the wall... easy and you can keep the existing stand. You can then place the center channel on top of the stand which will get it higher up to ear level (rather than near the floor... even if you COULD fit it down there, it's too low IMO).
+1
post #13552 of 17801
Depending on size / weight of the TV, put the HTM61 on top of the stand, cover with a soft cloth (to prevent scratches), put TV on top of the HTM61.
This is how I have my small (4o" LCD) TV.

If I could, I would have preferred wall mounting! smile.gif

Xekester
post #13553 of 17801
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Originally Posted by xekester View Post

Depending on size / weight of the TV, put the HTM61 on top of the stand, cover with a soft cloth (to prevent scratches), put TV on top of the HTM61 .

AHHH! Blasphemy! biggrin.gif

What about something like this instead...

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000W9TVJ0/ref=oh_o02_s00_i00_details
post #13554 of 17801
Why move the tv or buy a new entertainment center? heres an awesome way to hold speakers:
http://www.walmart.com/ip/22057392?wmlspartner=wlpa&adid=22222222227000000000&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=&wl3=21486607510&wl4=&wl5=pla&veh=sem

Just put the center channel on a shelf above the TV. Done. Angle it down if its too high, but if its directly above, it won't be too high.
Edited by ckillion79 - 4/13/13 at 7:15pm
post #13555 of 17801
I just heard the most beautiful noise at Best Buy - my first high end audio experience came out of a pair of B&W CM9GB's. Wow! But never going to afford it so I came home and checked CL for a deal on B&W and came across some DM640's for $500. They were kind of beat up, but he claimed they sounded perfect... hmm. Anyway I was just curious how close the two speakers might sound towards one another and if that is a good deal? Thanks
post #13556 of 17801
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Originally Posted by ckillion79 View Post

I just heard the most beautiful noise at Best Buy - my first high end audio experience came out of a pair of B&W CM9GB's. Wow! But never going to afford it so I came home and checked CL for a deal on B&W and came across some DM640's for $500. They were kind of beat up, but he claimed they sounded perfect... hmm. Anyway I was just curious how close the two speakers might sound towards one another and if that is a good deal? Thanks

I am selling CM5's and a CM Centre in the classified, not sure what your budget is but Ill take 1600 for all 3.
post #13557 of 17801
Thanks for all your excellent suggestions. Now I have some thinking and planning to do.
post #13558 of 17801
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Originally Posted by ckillion79 View Post

Why move the tv or buy a new entertainment center? heres an awesome way to hold speakers:
http://www.walmart.com/ip/22057392?wmlspartner=wlpa&adid=22222222227000000000&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=&wl3=21486607510&wl4=&wl5=pla&veh=sem

Just put the center channel on a shelf above the TV. Done. Angle it down if its too high, but if its directly above, it won't be too high.

Except the shelf you are suggesting is 5" deep. The center speaker ProfD wants is 13.4" deep! An accident waiting to happen, especially angled down. You would need even more depth.

Most centers mounted above a TV are usually too high, even angled down. Ideally you need to get the tweeters at ear level. In this case, wall mounting the TV or getting an AV Stand with a flat panel mounting post is the best way to accomplish this. As my system and needs changed, so did my stands - I went through 4 of them until finally finding a muli-tiered stand with TV mounting post. The below link is similar to what I am talking about:

http://www.whalenfurniture.com/vas/product.php?product_id=000280

This is just one brand, model, and style of dozens to choose from. Check out www.wayfair.com and www.standsandmounts.com for ideas.
post #13559 of 17801
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Originally Posted by ProfD View Post



Can anyone find a place where an HTM61 would fit into my setup?
I am having a hard time... granted movies sound very good even without it.

I have a similar TV stand in my family room. I would get an audio rack and place the AVR & other components in the audio rack. Then place a center speaker under the TV in that TV stand.
post #13560 of 17801
Does anyone have any experience pairing CM9s with a SVS PB-1000 sub?
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