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post #13741 of 17844
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Originally Posted by thrang View Post

I've had them on and off my 802's, and really would by lying if I could say I heard a difference...I will be putting them back on just because I'm sort of done experimenting with positioning...

So if I hear you correctly they really don't make a difference in improving the sound?
post #13742 of 17844
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Originally Posted by thrang View Post

The ginormous spikes they include...


Interesting, a white box, my 802 spike kit boxes are black just like the boxes the manuals, cleaning cloth and jumpers came is. My HTM2 box was black as well.
post #13743 of 17844
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Originally Posted by Rod#S View Post

Interesting, a white box, my 802 spike kit boxes are black just like the boxes the manuals, cleaning cloth and jumpers came is. My HTM2 box was black as well.

That's the old boxes the new ones are black!
post #13744 of 17844
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Originally Posted by thrang View Post

I've had them on and off my 802's, and really would by lying if I could say I heard a difference...I will be putting them back on just because I'm sort of done experimenting with positioning...

If you heard no difference, why go through the hassle of putting them on? I personally have no intentions of even trying giving the weight of speakers...
post #13745 of 17844
I found that when I had the 802ds on plain wood flooring the casters made the bass a little boomy which improved with feet.

Since going to carper I can not hear a difference either, but once finally positioned I will spike them.
post #13746 of 17844
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Originally Posted by BVLDARI View Post

If you heard no difference, why go through the hassle of putting them on? I personally have no intentions of even trying giving the weight of speakers...

Oh,we're not going down the path justifying everything we do in THIS forum, are we...?smile.gif

I had help, not a big deal...back surgery is tomorrow, so this is the day to do it!
post #13747 of 17844
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Originally Posted by thrang View Post

Oh,we're not going down the path justifying everything we do in THIS forum, are we...?smile.gif

I had help, not a big deal...back surgery is tomorrow, so this is the day to do it!

no of courese not. smile.gif

I was just curious.
post #13748 of 17844
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Originally Posted by BVLDARI View Post

no of courese not. smile.gif

I was just curious.

Good, because then I would have to get my therapist involved...
post #13749 of 17844
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Originally Posted by thrang View Post

Oh,we're not going down the path justifying everything we do in THIS forum, are we...?smile.gif I had help, not a big deal...back surgery is tomorrow, so this is the day to do it!

Back surgery,I hope that's a joke otherwise good luck with that frown.gif
post #13750 of 17844
No, no joke - thanks
Edited by thrang - 5/2/13 at 10:41am
post #13751 of 17844
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Originally Posted by thrang View Post

No, no joke - thanka

good luck for sure!
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Rod#s - I'll definately be interested in your thoughts on the 800s once you've had some quality time with them.

In the mean time, I received my 802D2's last week and moved my 803D2's to the rear - had some drama with one of my speakers with the damn movers but long story short, the speaker is OK.

After getting the 802D2's in place of where the 803D2's were, I was really, really surprised on the amount of difference between these and the 803's!! IMO, the soundstage is just much bigger and effortless... I honestly wasn't expecting such a big difference given how close in size the 803's are to the 802's. Very happy and already thinking of getting another pair biggrin.gif Heck, I may be in Rod#'s shoes in another year or so with some 800s, haha!

But for any folks teetering between the 802's or 803's, I'd say hands down go for the 802's!! smile.gif
post #13753 of 17844
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Originally Posted by tgrinch View PostRod#s - I'll definately be interested in your thoughts on the 800s once you've had some quality time with them.

After getting the 802D2's in place of where the 803D2's were, I was really, really surprised on the amount of difference between these and the 803's!! IMO, the soundstage is just much bigger and effortless... I honestly wasn't expecting such a big difference given how close in size the 803's are to the 802's. Very happy and already thinking of getting another pair biggrin.gif Heck, I may be in Rod#'s shoes in another year or so with some 800s, haha!  But for any folks teetering between the 802's or 803's, I'd say hands down go for the 802's!! smile.gif

Yes, try the 800D2 and you will see

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Does anyone know(rumors) when will B & W upgrade the current 800 Diamond series that came out in 2010?
From you're experience how often does this brand upgrade their products?

I'am strongly considering my first B & W's. Either a 804 D or a 803 D.

My room dimensions (L x W x H) are 18' x 13' x 9'.

Any recommendations on which of the 2 models would fit or perform better?rolleyes.gif
post #13755 of 17844
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Originally Posted by Anjo1530 View Post

Does anyone know(rumors) when will B & W upgrade the current 800 Diamond series that came out in 2010?
From you're experience how often does this brand upgrade their products?

I'am strongly considering my first B & W's. Either a 804 D or a 803 D.

My room dimensions (L x W x H) are 18' x 13' x 9'.

Any recommendations on which of the 2 models would fit or perform better?rolleyes.gif

My room is about the same size. I have 804 Diamonds for front L/R (and for music), an HTM4 for center, and 805 Diamonds for surrounds. I'm very happy with the 804 Diamonds. I thought about getting the 803's, but decided they were bigger than I needed.
post #13756 of 17844
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Originally Posted by Anjo1530 View Post

Does anyone know(rumors) when will B & W upgrade the current 800 Diamond series that came out in 2010? From you're experience how often does this brand upgrade their products? I'am strongly considering my first B & W's. Either a 804 D or a 803 D. My room dimensions (L x W x H) are 18' x 13' x 9'. Any recommendations on which of the 2 models would fit or perform better?rolleyes.gif

They usually upgrade every five years, I am done three 800Diamonds2 in the front will last me for the next 20 years smile.gif
post #13757 of 17844
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Originally Posted by tgrinch View Post

Rod#s - I'll definately be interested in your thoughts on the 800s once you've had some quality time with them.

In the mean time, I received my 802D2's last week and moved my 803D2's to the rear - had some drama with one of my speakers with the damn movers but long story short, the speaker is OK.

After getting the 802D2's in place of where the 803D2's were, I was really, really surprised on the amount of difference between these and the 803's!! IMO, the soundstage is just much bigger and effortless... I honestly wasn't expecting such a big difference given how close in size the 803's are to the 802's. Very happy and already thinking of getting another pair biggrin.gif Heck, I may be in Rod#'s shoes in another year or so with some 800s, haha!

But for any folks teetering between the 802's or 803's, I'd say hands down go for the 802's!! smile.gif

Well I got'em and they are hooked up. It was a crazy, hectic. insanely busy day at work so impressions will have to wait. Just being pulled in too many directions today with dealing with having the speakers delivered, then trying to remove all of the packing material then having to deal with work then recalibrating the system which I f'ed up and will have to do again tomorrow evening. I forgot to drop my stereo sub crossover down to 40Hz where I set the 800's so it was still set at 50Hz. I watched the Hobbit and noticed some really boomy bass from the 800's and subs which led me to go into the menus and found the mistake. I was essentially duplicating bass between 50Hz and 40Hz between the subs and 800's, never a good thing. Once changed things meshed seamlessly but I'll need to recalibrate to dial it in just right. I also forgot to take the mesh grill off my center during the calibration so that'll have to be remedied tomorrow. Not sure if the grills make any difference but since most of my critical listening is done with the grills off and the speakers looking their best I may as well get it right smile.gif

Size wise it's interesting depending on how you look at them, depending on the angle they either look a lot larger than the 802's or just a bit larger. there is no getting past the base though, that thing is freakin' huge, I wasn't really prepared for that. The finish on them seems a bit more glossy then my 802's.

A question, so what's the deal with the turning of the marlan head screw? There is absolutely no mention of that in the manual but I could have sworn the dealer adjusted it with my 802's but neither of us could remember for certain. I'm not talking about the small Phillips screw through a cap into the back opening of the marlan head which says remove before use I'm talking about the large flat head that makes up the end of the marlan head.

I took some initial pictures but too tired to get them off the camera and uploaded tonight.

I will say this, the soundstage watching the Hobbit was epic, perfectly seamless, I have never had my system blend so well that it was hard to determine where the left/right main sounds transitioned to the surrounds. Boy am I glad for having the 802's as surrounds as I'm sure they are the reason for this. With Paradigm in the surrounds there was apparently a noticeable timbre and performance difference that I obviously wasn't aware of. Even when I had the all Paradigm system my surrounds consisted of ADP's and my rears Studio 60's so the difference in transitions was always noticeable, not huge but discernible probably because the 60's were a lot more capable speaker then the small ADP's.

Congrats on the 802's, they are indeed superb speakers indeed. It's good to hear you noticed a large difference compared to the 803's making the investment worthwhile. Like me you'll have to post some pics smile.gif
post #13758 of 17844
Congrats Rod.
post #13759 of 17844
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Originally Posted by Rod#S View Post

Well I got'em and they are hooked up. It was a crazy, hectic........Size wise it's interesting depending on how you look at them, depending on the angle they either look a lot larger than the 802's or just a bit larger. there is no getting past the base though, that thing is freakin' huge, I wasn't really prepared for that. The finish on them seems a bit more glossy then my 802's.

A question, so what's the deal with the turning of the marlan head screw? There is absolutely no mention of that in the manual but I could have sworn the dealer adjusted it with my 802's but neither of us could remember for certain. I'm not talking about the small Phillips screw through a cap into the back opening of the marlan head which says remove before use I'm talking about the large flat head that makes up the end of the marlan head.

I will say this, the soundstage watching the Hobbit was epic, perfectly seamless, I have never had my system blend so well that it was hard to determine where the left/right main sounds transitioned to the surrounds. Boy am I glad for having the 802's as surrounds as I'm sure they are the reason for this. With Paradigm in the surrounds there was apparently a noticeable timbre and performance difference that I obviously wasn't aware of. Even when I had the all Paradigm system my surrounds consisted of ADP's and my rears Studio 60's so the difference in transitions was always noticeable, not huge but discernible probably because the 60's were a lot more capable speaker then the small smile.gif

Yes the 802Ds work very well with the 800D and makes a great sound stage, I might reconsider if I should use other surrounds or leave it alone! What amps do you use? Are you set up as a 5.2; 7.2; 9.2; 11.2 ?
post #13760 of 17844
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

Yes the 802Ds work very well with the 800D and makes a great sound stage, I might reconsider if I should use other surrounds or leave it alone! What amps do you use? Are you set up as a 5.2; 7.2; 9.2; 11.2 ?

I know you really want those Elipsa's but ah man, after last evenings experience, phew, I don't know. With you having lived with the 802's for so long losing that amazing soundstage would be hard at least for me I would think just based on last night alone and that was just with a movie eek.gif On the flip side though whatever is used for the surrounds will of course do the job and do it nicely like my Paradigm Studio 100's for example. I know you have all ready experimented with the Kef's and liked them so maybe it's just a matter of listening habits rather then how you feel about surrounds but I do know from reading your posts as of late how you feel about surrounds.

Using speakers like the 802's with 800's up front it really just comes down to squeezing that extra bit out of the experience and if you want to do that. Your situation is a bit different, you all ready have the speakers whereas most people would be the opposite, thinking about what's the best surround speaker for them. Most do 805's, smaller numbers do 804's and 803's right out the gate but I have observed most people's systems with 804's or 803's as surrounds are there because they upgraded their fronts from these so rather than sell them they went to surround duty. Anyone considering the extra step up to 802's would be weighing the price to performance ratio very very heavily as it's a good chunk of change beyond the 803's let alone 804's or 805's. I don't believe I have ever read of someone, let alone more than one person other than myself biggrin.gif who planned for 802's as surrounds ahead of time. You, like myself all ready had 802's on hand, paid for so the financial aspect is basically removed because to sell them you lose money, guaranteed. Sure it is going to help big time towards Elipsa's but you are also losing thousands smile.gif

My setup is 5.1 with stereo subs, so 3 subs total. My amps are all Bryston, 2 4B-SST's and a 6B-SST. I bi-amp with the dual 4's rather than have one sit around unused. All are basically 330 watts.
post #13761 of 17844
Quick question.

Can I use a pair of B&W DM302's as rears and a LCR60 S3 center channel as a center to complete a 5.1 setup that already contains a pair of B&W 683's?

Will the timbre match be very bad?

How does the LCR60 S3 center channel compare to the HTM61?

Thanks!
post #13762 of 17844
Does any HTM2 owner have it placed in a TV stand or under a TV (not wall mounted)?

I have looked all over and have not been able to find anything close to fit it in.

If no such ready made stand is available then I am left with three choices and I don't like any of them.

1. buy HTM4 instead
2. mount the TV (70") on the wall which may lead to a remodel of the room
3. order a custom build stand

Thanks
Edited by SHadoWFoX - 5/3/13 at 1:52pm
post #13763 of 17844
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Originally Posted by SHadoWFoX View Post

Does any HTM2 owner have it placed in a TV stand or under a TV (not wall mounted)?

I have looked all over and how not been able to find anything close to be able to fit it in.

If no such ready made stand is available then I am left with three choices and I don't like any of them.

1. buy HTM4 instead
2. mount the TV (70") on the wall which may lead to a remodel of the room
3. order a custom build stand

Thanks

Considering how huge the HTM2 is, I am not surprised that you are having a hard time finding a TV stand that can swallow it. That said, from an sound quality standpoint you are probably better off not having the speaker inside a cabinet anyway.

I just ordered HTM2 and my plan is to put it on top of a salamander synergy cabinet and mount the TV on the wall. You however said that mounting on the wall is not a viable option, so I would suggest getting a TV stand that can accommodate a TV mount on the back. Something like what I’ve attached below. That will probably be your best bet. Of course, you still have to make sure that mount is high enough to clear the 13” high speaker.

Finally, just my 2 cents from the number of questions I asked about the HTM2 vs. HTM4 – try your hardest to find a way to accommodate the HTM2.

post #13764 of 17844
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Originally Posted by BillJulyan View Post

My room is about the same size. I have 804 Diamonds for front L/R (and for music), an HTM4 for center, and 805 Diamonds for surrounds. I'm very happy with the 804 Diamonds. I thought about getting the 803's, but decided they were bigger than I needed.




Thanks for you're help BillJulyan.

Do you listen to music on the 804 Diamond's by themselves in a stereo setup?w/o sub

If so how do they perform in you're room that has dimensions similar to mine?

Thanks again.smile.gif
post #13765 of 17844
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Originally Posted by BVLDARI View Post

Considering how huge the HTM2 is, I am not surprised that you are having a hard time finding a TV stand that can swallow it. That said, from an sound quality standpoint you are probably better off not having the speaker inside a cabinet anyway.

I just ordered HTM2 and my plan is to put it on top of a salamander synergy cabinet and mount the TV on the wall. You however said that mounting on the wall is not a viable option, so I would suggest getting a TV stand that can accommodate a TV mount on the back. Something like what I’ve attached below. That will probably be your best bet. Of course, you still have to make sure that mount is high enough to clear the 13” high speaker.

Finally, just my 2 cents from the number of questions I asked about the HTM2 vs. HTM4 – try your hardest to find a way to accommodate the HTM2.


You pointing out a new option. I have search a bit on the internet and I think a good floorstanding tv mount from BDI would be a very good choice. Just need to check the measurement and hopefully another box on the list is checked off.

Believe me it took a long time to convince myself I need HTM2. smile.gif


Thanks
post #13766 of 17844
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Originally Posted by Anjo1530 View Post

Thanks for you're help BillJulyan.

Do you listen to music on the 804 Diamond's by themselves in a stereo setup?w/o sub

If so how do they perform in you're room that has dimensions similar to mine?

Thanks again.smile.gif

Hi I have the same set up with the almost same room of you guys and the 804D is adequate for that room, I use it in two channel listening and it has strong bass output for the room but you will need a good stereo amp maybe 200W if you really want hit hard, I used it without SW because to my ears a SW never have the same performance for music, of course the SW is more bass power output but less tight and accurate too; for movies you will always need a SW so if you want the best of two world you will need both. BTW I personally not like the sound of the 803D I think the array of drivers in this speaker is not adecuate for my taste, it is too much bass that hide the midrage and it is huge; if I need a bigger speaker always would with the 802D yes it is more expensive but is way better too. With a 804 you will get more similar sound to the 802 instead of the 803. just my five cents.
post #13767 of 17844
For those that have requested, I just uploaded some photos over in the huge B&W pictures thread at HTG

http://www.htguide.com/forum/showthread.php?10838-Pictures-of-your-B-amp-W-Set-up&p=574580#post574580
post #13768 of 17844
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Originally Posted by Rod#S View Post

For those that have requested, I just uploaded some photos over in the huge B&W pictures thread at HTG http://www.htguide.com/forum/showthread.php?10838-Pictures-of-your-B-amp-W-Set-up&p=574580#post574580

Yes nice! Good looking speakers
post #13769 of 17844
I second that, great speakers. I get goosebumps just picturing in my mind the kind of sound those puppies deliver. It's a beautiful thing. eek.gif
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To people who are using towers for rear channels, specially huge freaking ones like the 802D lol :

How do you place them? AFAIK the rear channels are supposed to be above ear level and slightly behind the seating area, does it not matter that the seats will block some of the sound? Unless you're putting those huge things above something or got a custom room for your needs.
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