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post #13771 of 17972
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Originally Posted by Anjo1530 View Post

Thanks for you're help BillJulyan.

Do you listen to music on the 804 Diamond's by themselves in a stereo setup?w/o sub

If so how do they perform in you're room that has dimensions similar to mine?

Thanks again.smile.gif

Yes, I listen to music with just the 804 Diamonds by themselves in stereo. They sound great to me; the bass is very good. I'm using a McIntosh MX121 pre-processor and a McIntosh MC8207 amplifier (200 WPC, 7 channels). For music, I usually play FLAC files through an OPPO-105 and the MX121 balanced analog inputs. I play them in stereo using the "direct" feature to avoid additional electronic processing.

For movies, I use a subwoofer for LFE and either 5.1 or 7.1 depending on the source.
post #13772 of 17972
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Originally Posted by Rod#S View Post

For those that have requested, I just uploaded some photos over in the huge B&W pictures thread at HTG

http://www.htguide.com/forum/showthread.php?10838-Pictures-of-your-B-amp-W-Set-up&p=574580#post574580

many congrats Rod, they are a beautiful toy and huge too wink.gif
what kind of music you will listening of them? or you are more a movie guy?
post #13773 of 17972
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Originally Posted by metallicaband View Post

To people who are using towers for rear channels, specially huge freaking ones like the 802D lol :

How do you place them? AFAIK the rear channels are supposed to be above ear level and slightly behind the seating area, does it not matter that the seats will block some of the sound? Unless you're putting those huge things above something or got a custom room for your needs.

Although I don't have any rear speakers at the moment I used to when I ran an all Paradigm 7.1 setup. I added the rears back in 2003 and at the time the general consensus was that surrounds, both sides and rears should be above ear level. For sides I had Paradigm ADP's, since I live in an apartment I couldn't wall mount them so I found the tallest stand I could find that would properly support their weight then I placed that stand on concrete blocks to get the HF driver above ear level and as it turned out most of the mid/bass driver was also above ear level. For my rears I had Studio 60's and also placed them up on even larger concrete blocks to ensure the HF drivers were clearly above the back of the sofa.

Fast forward a few years, we are now living in an age with matrixed heights and on the verge of seeing technology like Dolby Atmos making it's way into the home. So there are now channels dedicated to height so for me personally that changes the role of surrounds and surround rears in that they probably should be pulled back down to ear level in order to properly separate the vertical planes. For those not running heights then I guess it would simply come down to personal preference as to where they like the 4 surrounds.
post #13774 of 17972
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

Yes nice! Good looking speakers

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Originally Posted by Matts View Post

I second that, great speakers. I get goosebumps just picturing in my mind the kind of sound those puppies deliver. It's a beautiful thing. eek.gif

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Originally Posted by leo2498 View Post

many congrats Rod, they are a beautiful toy and huge too wink.gif
what kind of music you will listening of them? or you are more a movie guy?

Thanks guys

I'm about 50/50, music and movies. Music ranges from rock and metal to classical typically. I also have 5.1 music via SACD, DVD-Audio and Blu-ray Audio and for 2 channel I alternate between using the Logic 7 in my Lexicon SSP to send the music to all speakers and running in 2 channel only in analog bypass.
post #13775 of 17972
I just uploaded the last of the pictures. These include the accessory box comparison between the 800 and 802 and the 802's in their surround position

http://www.htguide.com/forum/showthread.php?10838-Pictures-of-your-B-amp-W-Set-up&p=574595#post574595
post #13776 of 17972
I finally had some real quality time with the 800's today and I am very impressed. These things have some serious, serious bass capabilities when running full range and it's no wonder owners report not needing a subwoofer if using in a non home theater environment. I know 802 owners even run stereo without a sub and I can attest to them having very solid and tight bass but the 800's are definitely a step up. I know what the specs say and the 800's and 802's have ridiculously close numbers on paper but this is a phenomenon where you need to use your ears and forget about the specs because depending on the song you could easily be fooled into thinking a sub, or stereo subs were in the system. My 800's are in the exact same position that my 802's were and there is no mistaking the difference.

Moving onto the mids I find them to be very smooth, warm and fluid. they obviously posses the accuracy of the 802's but deliver it with a warmer presentation. I had reported after listening to the Focal Alto Utopia a few weeks back how warm and fluid the mids were compared to the 802's, the 800's are giving what I heard from the Alto's.

I'm practically equally as impressed with the surround experience the 800's and 802's give. As reported earlier the soundstage and sense of integration is just amazing. This obviously could have been achieved by buying another pair of 802's, no doubt about it so with me having had no intention of selling the 802's anyways it's a win win in the end.

So what about the HTM2 smile.gif It still holds it's own in the setup especially when the center is strictly dialog but with the 800's and 802's working in harmony with music it does stand out more then it did when my surrounds were Paradigm Studio 100's probably because the HTM2 is a better speaker in the mids and highs with the low end advantage going to the 100's.
post #13777 of 17972
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Originally Posted by Rod#S View PostI finally had some real quality time with the 800's today and I am very impressed. These things have some serious, serious bass capabilities when running full range and it's no wonder owners report not needing a subwoofer if using in a non home theater environment. I know 802 owners even run stereo without a sub and I can attest to them having very solid and tight bass but the 800's are definitely a step up. I know what the specs say and the 800's and 802's have ridiculously close numbers on paper but this is a phenomenon where you need to use your ears and forget about the specs because depending on the song you could easily be fooled into thinking a sub, or stereo subs were in the system. My 800's are in the exact same position that my 802's were and there is no mistaking the difference.

Moving onto the mids I find them to be very smooth, warm and fluid. they obviously posses the accuracy of the 802's but deliver it with a warmer presentation. I had reported after listening to the Focal Alto Utopia a few weeks back how warm and fluid the mids were compared to the 802's, the 800's are giving what I heard from the Alto's.  As reported earlier the soundstage and sense of integration is just amazing. .....
So what about the HTM2 smile.gif It still holds it's own in the setup especially when the center is strictly dialog but with the 800's and 802's working in harmony with music it does stand out more ............

Rod

 

I agree 100%!  

 

You should get rid of the TV and get a projector with roll down screen, and do yourself a favor buy a third B&W 800Diamond.  All I can say is, that three 800Diamonds in the front is the best sound stage I have ever heard!

 

I sit seven feet from them :)

 

 

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post #13778 of 17972
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I could never get rid of my Kuro but even if I could get it into another room since I'm in an apartment I could never attach a screen and projector to the ceiling I'm afraid.

I know I know ...I need a house smile.gif
post #13779 of 17972
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Originally Posted by Rod#S View Post

:DI could never get rid of my Kuro but even if I could get it into another room since I'm in an apartment I could never attach a screen and projector to the ceiling I'm afraid. I know I know ...I need a house smile.gif

Really, put the Kuro in an other room you can get a decent screen on the wall from Elite screen and a reasonably priced projector that doesn't need to be hanged on the ceiling! You should go for it especially with that killer sound system smile.gif In addition you could move all your AV equipment to the back or side leaving your amps in the front for your B&W 800Diamonds!

I would also remove that coffee table the sound bounces right of of it, sorry I am rearranging your room but you should give your speakers room to Breathe!

Finally I would try moving the sofa at least a foot from the back wall smile.gif
post #13780 of 17972
smile.gif no need to apologize, the room is literally a textbook of what not to do when assembling an audio/video system.

The apartment basically limits everything. The only other room available is the bedroom and there is no way a 60" tv can be put in there, I would be hard pressed getting a 12" monitor in there biggrin.gif

Given that the coffee table also doubles as the dining room table smile.gif it has to stay, it's no fun trying to eat standing up

I would love to get the A/V rack to the side of the room out of the way but that would mean buying more cables and sense I'm a cable nut, whenever I buy cables again it's not going to be a cheap endeavor let me tell you, I dread the day smile.gif

Since the coffee table can't be moved that means the sofa has to stay put because if the coffee table were to move any closer to the center, the sound would be coming directly into the face of the coffee table rather than just managing to fire above it at present. There is also the problem with the end tables being oh so close to the 802's but as with everything else, there is no where else for them to go.

If I could stop buying equipment for any amount of time I may just be able to sneak a house into the financial planner smile.gif but it's proving tough biggrin.gif. Also with a house comes a complete end to any toy purchases, can't afford to do both I'm afraid frown.gif
post #13781 of 17972
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Originally Posted by Rod#S View Post

smile.gif no need to apologize, the room is literally a textbook of what not to do when assembling an audio/video system.

The apartment basically limits everything. The only other room available is the bedroom and there is no way a 60" tv can be put in there, I would be hard pressed getting a 12" monitor in there biggrin.gif
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If I could stop buying equipment for any amount of time I may just be able to sneak a house into the financial planner smile.gif but it's proving tough biggrin.gif. Also with a house comes a complete end to any toy purchases, can't afford to do both I'm afraid frown.gif

You should rent a bigger place :)

post #13782 of 17972
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Originally Posted by SHadoWFoX View Post

Does any HTM2 owner have it placed in a TV stand or under a TV (not wall mounted)?

I have looked all over and have not been able to find anything close to fit it in.

If no such ready made stand is available then I am left with three choices and I don't like any of them.

1. buy HTM4 instead
2. mount the TV (70") on the wall which may lead to a remodel of the room
3. order a custom build stand

Thanks

Not a B&W owner, but to add to the Salamander Designs suggestion- they make "risers" which is basically another shelf but without any posts running across the front of it- a metallic "header" bar of sorts runs across the top to provide support. You can order a custom size from 8.5" to 17". Go an inch bigger than suggested (so maybe get a 14" or 15") as that metal header takes away about half an inch of clearance in the opening. Here's a link to a page with an example, look for the words "Triple Riser"
post #13783 of 17972
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Originally Posted by thrand1 View Post

Not a B&W owner, but to add to the Salamander Designs suggestion- they make "risers" which is basically another shelf but without any posts running across the front of it- a metallic "header" bar of sorts runs across the top to provide support. You can order a custom size from 8.5" to 17". Go an inch bigger than suggested (so maybe get a 14" or 15") as that metal header takes away about half an inch of clearance in the opening. Here's a link to a page with an example, look for the words "Triple Riser"

excellent suggestion - forgot about those. thanks.
post #13784 of 17972
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

You should rent a bigger place smile.gif

smile.gif this is true
post #13785 of 17972

Has any one ever tried Magnepan MMG as surround speakers to B&W?

 

I just got a pair of MMG and am first listening to them as front speakers in stereo.  They sound very decent for $600 of course it doesn't hurt that the amp they are pluggued into are Classé CA-M600 :)

 

I will try them as surround and see when I get a chance and let you know. I like the fact that they don't take much space, except whey you listen to them they need to be off the walls.

post #13786 of 17972
Hi all, currently have a set of 683s in the main room, mainly for better sound. Love them!

However, I am building a two channel Nearfield setup, with speakers placed ~7' apart .. sitting 3' back.

Sources:
TT (TBD)
Oppo BDP-95
Sonos Connect
Computer-As-Source (MOG, Locally ripped FLAC files)

I was originally thinking the 685s; however, once comparing them to the CM1s..wow. The CM series is, to my ear, so much more refined; Diana Krall's fingers rolling across the piano are gorgeous.

The CM1, however, lacked in bass extension, and since I WILL NOT be running a subwoofer, I'm now considering the CM5.

That said, I am interested in the PM1 and 805D, both of which I've never heard.

If anyone could be of assistance in my decision, I'd appreciate it. I will be auditioning soon, however, would like to hear what you all have to say in comparison to all of these models I've listed.

My concern with the PM1 is the bass driver being so similar to the CM1, that the PM1 low frequency extension may not do suffice.

Though, again, any comments welcomed.

So, based on what I've said, the question becomes:

*

Thanks!
-I3
post #13787 of 17972
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Originally Posted by Rod#S View Post

I finally had some real quality time with the 800's today and I am very impressed. These things have some serious, serious bass capabilities when running full range and it's no wonder owners report not needing a subwoofer if using in a non home theater environment. I know 802 owners even run stereo without a sub and I can attest to them having very solid and tight bass but the 800's are definitely a step up. I know what the specs say and the 800's and 802's have ridiculously close numbers on paper but this is a phenomenon where you need to use your ears and forget about the specs because depending on the song you could easily be fooled into thinking a sub, or stereo subs were in the system. My 800's are in the exact same position that my 802's were and there is no mistaking the difference.

Moving onto the mids I find them to be very smooth, warm and fluid. they obviously posses the accuracy of the 802's but deliver it with a warmer presentation. I had reported after listening to the Focal Alto Utopia a few weeks back how warm and fluid the mids were compared to the 802's, the 800's are giving what I heard from the Alto's.

I'm practically equally as impressed with the surround experience the 800's and 802's give. As reported earlier the soundstage and sense of integration is just amazing. This obviously could have been achieved by buying another pair of 802's, no doubt about it so with me having had no intention of selling the 802's anyways it's a win win in the end.

So what about the HTM2 smile.gif It still holds it's own in the setup especially when the center is strictly dialog but with the 800's and 802's working in harmony with music it does stand out more then it did when my surrounds were Paradigm Studio 100's probably because the HTM2 is a better speaker in the mids and highs with the low end advantage going to the 100's.

Congrats and great to read how pleased you are. Of course, I hate to read things that tempt me (yes, my 802's would fit fine as surrounds...)

I do think b&w needs a marlan head center however....
post #13788 of 17972
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Originally Posted by I3eyond View Post

Hi all, currently have a set of 683s in the main room, mainly for better sound. Love them!

However, I am building a two channel Nearfield setup, with speakers placed ~7' apart .. sitting 3' back.

Sources:
TT (TBD)
Oppo BDP-95
Sonos Connect
Computer-As-Source (MOG, Locally ripped FLAC files)

I was originally thinking the 685s; however, once comparing them to the CM1s..wow. The CM series is, to my ear, so much more refined; Diana Krall's fingers rolling across the piano are gorgeous.

The CM1, however, lacked in bass extension, and since I WILL NOT be running a subwoofer, I'm now considering the CM5.

That said, I am interested in the PM1 and 805D, both of which I've never heard.

If anyone could be of assistance in my decision, I'd appreciate it. I will be auditioning soon, however, would like to hear what you all have to say in comparison to all of these models I've listed.

My concern with the PM1 is the bass driver being so similar to the CM1, that the PM1 low frequency extension may not do suffice.

Though, again, any comments welcomed.

So, based on what I've said, the question becomes:

*

Thanks!
-I3

I've never heard the CM5 but I've heard the PM1 and the 805D2. I think the PM1 is a great speaker but it's a noticeable step down from the diamond. However, I am not sure the diamond is worth 2x the money. Best thing you can do is go listen to them, but I am fairly certain that if you bought the 805D2 you will not be disappointed.
post #13789 of 17972
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Originally Posted by I3eyond View Post

Hi all, currently have a set of 683s in the main room, mainly for better sound. Love them!

However, I am building a two channel Nearfield setup, with speakers placed ~7' apart .. sitting 3' back.

Sources:
TT (TBD)
Oppo BDP-95
Sonos Connect
Computer-As-Source (MOG, Locally ripped FLAC files)

I was originally thinking the 685s; however, once comparing them to the CM1s..wow. The CM series is, to my ear, so much more refined; Diana Krall's fingers rolling across the piano are gorgeous.

The CM1, however, lacked in bass extension, and since I WILL NOT be running a subwoofer, I'm now considering the CM5.

That said, I am interested in the PM1 and 805D, both of which I've never heard.

If anyone could be of assistance in my decision, I'd appreciate it. I will be auditioning soon, however, would like to hear what you all have to say in comparison to all of these models I've listed.

My concern with the PM1 is the bass driver being so similar to the CM1, that the PM1 low frequency extension may not do suffice.

Though, again, any comments welcomed.

So, based on what I've said, the question becomes:


Thanks!
-I3
I have heard all this speakers, finally I went for the 805D because I prefer timbral matching with my fronts(I was looking for surround speaker) but the real answer is how much you are willing to spend for this stereo set up, if you do math the stand and the speaker will be real close to a 804Di or a 804"S"(less than 805 and close in performance) either of those will get you excelent sound. In your list if the money will no be a problem, you will not regreat from the 805D it will give an excelent audio performance in a small room(good bass output). I tested this in my living room(20x10x8) filled the room with great audio but I have a two years old baby and is too dangerous let it at his fingertips so I prefered let the 804S(better bass but less in the mid and highs) do this job in my stereo.
post #13790 of 17972
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Originally Posted by leo2498 View Post

I have heard all this speakers, finally I went for the 805D because I prefer timbral matching with my fronts(I was looking for surround speaker) but the real answer is how much you are willing to spend for this stereo set up, if you do math the stand and the speaker will be real close to a 804Di or a 804"S"(less than 805 and close in performance) either of those will get you excelent sound. In your list if the money will no be a problem, you will not regreat from the 805D it will give an excelent audio performance in a small room(good bass output). I tested this in my living room(20x10x8) filled the room with great audio but I have a two years old baby and is too dangerous let it at his fingertips so I prefered let the 804S(better bass but less in the mid and highs) do this job in my stereo.

Room is 18x18, again nearfield setup though; about 3' away from speakers.
post #13791 of 17972
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Originally Posted by leo2498 View Post

I have heard all this speakers, finally I went for the 805D because I prefer timbral matching with my fronts(I was looking for surround speaker) but the real answer is how much you are willing to spend for this stereo set up, if you do math the stand and the speaker will be real close to a 804Di or a 804"S"(less than 805 and close in performance) either of those will get you excelent sound. In your list if the money will no be a problem, you will not regreat from the 805D it will give an excelent audio performance in a small room(good bass output). I tested this in my living room(20x10x8) filled the room with great audio but I have a two years old baby and is too dangerous let it at his fingertips so I prefered let the 804S(better bass but less in the mid and highs) do this job in my stereo.

I would second looking into the 804D2 if you are strongly considering the 805D2. Biggest reason is that you can potentially build a "grander" system around the 804 vs. the 805. And also you get a tower and a full speaker.
post #13792 of 17972
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Originally Posted by I3eyond View Post

Room is 18x18, again nearfield setup though; about 3' away from speakers.

I saw this one in ebay if you are interested http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bowers-Wilkins-800-Diamond-Series-B-W-805-Diamond-Monitor-Speakers-New-/261183882946?pt=Speakers_Subwoofers&hash=item3ccfc5c6c2
post #13793 of 17972
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Originally Posted by thrang View Post

Congrats and great to read how pleased you are. Of course, I hate to read things that tempt me (yes, my 802's would fit fine as surrounds...)

I do think b&w needs a marlan head center however....

Thanks

smile.gif Could this be a new trend smile.gif If so we'll have wse to thank but then he isn't allowed to sell his if this catches on biggrin.gif

It would be nice to have the HTM1D make a come back for those of us that can't do a 802 or 800 in the center.
post #13794 of 17972
Quote:
Originally Posted by I3eyond View Post

Hi all, currently have a set of 683s in the main room, mainly for better sound. Love them!

However, I am building a two channel Nearfield setup, with speakers placed ~7' apart .. sitting 3' back.

Sources:
TT (TBD)
Oppo BDP-95
Sonos Connect
Computer-As-Source (MOG, Locally ripped FLAC files)

I was originally thinking the 685s; however, once comparing them to the CM1s..wow. The CM series is, to my ear, so much more refined; Diana Krall's fingers rolling across the piano are gorgeous.

The CM1, however, lacked in bass extension, and since I WILL NOT be running a subwoofer, I'm now considering the CM5.

That said, I am interested in the PM1 and 805D, both of which I've never heard.

If anyone could be of assistance in my decision, I'd appreciate it. I will be auditioning soon, however, would like to hear what you all have to say in comparison to all of these models I've listed.

My concern with the PM1 is the bass driver being so similar to the CM1, that the PM1 low frequency extension may not do suffice.

Though, again, any comments welcomed.

So, based on what I've said, the question becomes:

*

Thanks!
-I3


Neither of them are appropriate for near field use. For setup like yours, I would get studio monitors, like Adam A8X. You will save on power amplifier too (these are active speakers). Monitors are designed for close range (like 3-5 feet). Regular hi-fi speakers need larger distance to properly blend sound from drivers.
post #13795 of 17972
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Originally Posted by Rod#S View Post

I finally had some real quality time with the 800's today and I am very impressed. These things have some serious, serious bass capabilities when running full range and it's no wonder owners report not needing a subwoofer if using in a non home theater environment. I know 802 owners even run stereo without a sub and I can attest to them having very solid and tight bass but the 800's are definitely a step up. I know what the specs say and the 800's and 802's have ridiculously close numbers on paper but this is a phenomenon where you need to use your ears and forget about the specs because depending on the song you could easily be fooled into thinking a sub, or stereo subs were in the system. My 800's are in the exact same position that my 802's were and there is no mistaking the difference.

Moving onto the mids I find them to be very smooth, warm and fluid. they obviously posses the accuracy of the 802's but deliver it with a warmer presentation. I had reported after listening to the Focal Alto Utopia a few weeks back how warm and fluid the mids were compared to the 802's, the 800's are giving what I heard from the Alto's.

I'm practically equally as impressed with the surround experience the 800's and 802's give. As reported earlier the soundstage and sense of integration is just amazing. This obviously could have been achieved by buying another pair of 802's, no doubt about it so with me having had no intention of selling the 802's anyways it's a win win in the end.

So what about the HTM2 smile.gif It still holds it's own in the setup especially when the center is strictly dialog but with the 800's and 802's working in harmony with music it does stand out more then it did when my surrounds were Paradigm Studio 100's probably because the HTM2 is a better speaker in the mids and highs with the low end advantage going to the 100's.

Hi Rod, I just want share a nice pic I saw in internet of the difference of bass drivers of the 800 series, the 10" vs the 8" is massive and maybe in technical aspects is not much but physicaly is huge. my 6.5" bass drivers are so small very tiny eek.gif.



post #13796 of 17972
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Originally Posted by leo2498 View Post

Hi Rod, I just want share a nice pic I saw in internet of the difference of bass drivers of the 800 series, the 10" vs the 8" is massive and maybe in technical aspects is not much but physicaly is huge. my 6.5" bass drivers are so small very tiny eek.gif.




I'm sure B&W loved the Marantz tablecloth...still what a nice array showing the differences..
post #13797 of 17972
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Originally Posted by leo2498 View Post

Hi Rod, I just want share a nice pic I saw in internet of the difference of bass drivers of the 800 series, the 10" vs the 8" is massive and maybe in technical aspects is not much but physicaly is huge. my 6.5" bass drivers are so small very tiny eek.gif.

Thanks for posting, that was neat seeing the drivers out of the cabinets and laid out side by side. I also see some crossover components there as well.
post #13798 of 17972
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Originally Posted by I3eyond View PostRoom is 18x18, again nearfield setup though; about 3' away from speakers.

It's almost like wearing them biggrin.gif

post #13799 of 17972
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

It's almost like wearing them biggrin.gif

So do you think CM1, CM5, PM1, 805D, etc. wouldn't imagine properly with this layout?
post #13800 of 17972
I was just browsing the B&W Facebook page, looking through the pictures and came across an interesting one with the Nautilus, 802 and 800. I'm no fan of the look of the Nautilus but it gives a good comparison of size.

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