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post #13801 of 17912
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Originally Posted by Rod#S View Post

I was just browsing the B&W Facebook page, looking through the pictures and came across an interesting one with the Nautilus, 802 and 800. I'm no fan of the look of the Nautilus but it gives a good comparison of size.

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Nice pics,

the nautilus is very odd but is the top of the line, the 800 is the last move for many normal guys than can afford that; I just need to keep saving two years at least after purchase of my stereo classe gear for I would thinking in buy something like 802 di eek.gif althought I love and dream with the 800 I never can afford it. mad.gif

BTW Rod any change in sound quality with the time over your 800?
Edited by leo2498 - 5/10/13 at 5:11pm
post #13802 of 17912
The Nautilus is the coolest looking speaker I've ever seen. Definitely an art piece as well as audiophile equipment. I want to listen to it some time, but don't think I could ever afford it.
post #13803 of 17912
Hi all! I'm looking for a couple of recommendations/suggestions, on both speaker selection and equipment.

Right now I have 685 fronts, HTM61 mid, M1 rear. I got bookshelf speakers because I don't trust our cat. Now, however, he's old and has a prognosis of 6-12 months left, so I'm thinking towers are a possibility in my near future. Yes, I know that's kind of morbid, but hey, there you have it.

I considered the CM5, but after comparing them to the 683 and CM9, I don't think the little guys will suffice. I was listening in a badly set up BB Magnolia Room, but even there the CM9 really outshone the 683. Unfortunately, they are outside my budget.

1. How does the CM8 compare to the CM9? Is it also considerably better than the 683? (BB didn't have the CM8 set up for listening.)

2. I would also upgrade the center at some point, but I was planning on using the 685 as sides. Would they match okay with the CM line?

3. Right now I'm driving everything with a Denon 3310 AVR (130W). Would I need more for the towers?

Thanks in advance for any help.
post #13804 of 17912
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Originally Posted by I3eyond View Post

So do you think CM1, CM5, PM1, 805D, etc. wouldn't imagine properly with this layout?

I like it you get direct sound!
post #13805 of 17912
Hello all and happy mothers day to all the mothers out there....

i am looking for a set of 802n base and midrange gills in good condition... the midrange gills are the same as the first generation "D" series....

also what would be a good price to sell a great condition HTM1 center channels in cherry finish?

and what would be a good price for a set of 602 bookshelf speakers in cherry finish as well?

Thank you for the advise...

Bill
post #13806 of 17912
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Originally Posted by radiofrog View Post

Hi all! I'm looking for a couple of recommendations/suggestions, on both speaker selection and equipment.

Right now I have 685 fronts, HTM61 mid, M1 rear. I got bookshelf speakers because I don't trust our cat. Now, however, he's old and has a prognosis of 6-12 months left, so I'm thinking towers are a possibility in my near future. Yes, I know that's kind of morbid, but hey, there you have it.

I considered the CM5, but after comparing them to the 683 and CM9, I don't think the little guys will suffice. I was listening in a badly set up BB Magnolia Room, but even there the CM9 really outshone the 683. Unfortunately, they are outside my budget.

1. How does the CM8 compare to the CM9? Is it also considerably better than the 683? (BB didn't have the CM8 set up for listening.)

2. I would also upgrade the center at some point, but I was planning on using the 685 as sides. Would they match okay with the CM line?

3. Right now I'm driving everything with a Denon 3310 AVR (130W). Would I need more for the towers?

Thanks in advance for any help.

1. I would skip the CM8 entirely. It has a low frequency threshold of almost 70 Hz. The CM9 and CM5 are the best in the series along with the CMC2 center. With your current setup it would make more sense to go with the 683s unless a slow piece-meal upgrade works for you (Wait and save up a bit more to get the CM9s).

2. IMHO, the 685s would work just fine for sides.

3. How big is your listening space? Unless it's huge the 3310 should suffice. If it is large you could add an external amp later I suppose.
post #13807 of 17912
I am looking to replace the rubber seal in the midrange of my 802.... i know how the midrange is put together... when i tighten the screw on the back of the marlin head... how tight do i make it? i am figuring just until there is resistance on the screw.

are there any b&w techs on here that know for sure?

thank you
Bill
post #13808 of 17912
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Originally Posted by postrokfan View Post

1. I would skip the CM8 entirely. It has a low frequency threshold of almost 70 Hz. The CM9 and CM5 are the best in the series along with the CMC2 center. With your current setup it would make more sense to go with the 683s unless a slow piece-meal upgrade works for you (Wait and save up a bit more to get the CM9s).

2. IMHO, the 685s would work just fine for sides.

3. How big is your listening space? Unless it's huge the 3310 should suffice. If it is large you could add an external amp later I suppose.

Thanks for the reply!

I was afraid you would say that. Those CM9s sounded fantastic! I can't get them now, but no big rush I suppose; I'll just need to budget and save a little longer.

Space-wise, it's 15' x 20' x 8', broken up, with just a 3' doorway into a very short hall that makes an immediate right angle turn.
post #13809 of 17912
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Originally Posted by radiofrog View Post

Thanks for the reply!

I was afraid you would say that. Those CM9s sounded fantastic! I can't get them now, but no big rush I suppose; I'll just need to budget and save a little longer.

Space-wise, it's 15' x 20' x 8', broken up, with just a 3' doorway into a very short hall that makes an immediate right angle turn.

Sounds like a logical plan. Your room is of medium size so the 3310 should be enough.
post #13810 of 17912
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Originally Posted by radiofrog View Post

Thanks for the reply!

I was afraid you would say that. Those CM9s sounded fantastic! I can't get them now, but no big rush I suppose; I'll just need to budget and save a little longer.

Space-wise, it's 15' x 20' x 8', broken up, with just a 3' doorway into a very short hall that makes an immediate right angle turn.
There's a used set of piano black CM9s on Audiogon now. The seller said he'll consider selling them separate from his CMC & CM1s. CM9s look & sound great.
post #13811 of 17912
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Originally Posted by Coach KG View Post

There's a used set of piano black CM9s on Audiogon now. The seller said he'll consider selling them separate from his CMC & CM1s. CM9s look & sound great.

NIce! Thanks. I can't get them right this moment, unfortunately, but I wish I could jump on that whole system.
I wasn't familiar with the Audiogon classifieds. How safe is it buying that way?
post #13812 of 17912
Hi all,


Looking for some suggestions as I am trying to build my first HT.

I currently have HTIB in an apartment and will be moving to a house, this will be for the family room size - 22X19 and one side of the room opens to the kitchen, foyer.

I will be suing it mainly for HT 90% and 10% music, (steaming spotify etc.) I usually like bright, in your face sound, but people here have aid that its fatiguing after sometime.

The other speakers that I am considering are

Polk rtia7 - I have not heard them yet
Focal Chorus - 716v - I have heard these and liked them, specially for the price from A4L.com


Now, I have heard the B&W once in the store but that was the CM9 and I though compared to other speakers energy and ML, the CM9 had a wide soundstage and sounded open. I have not heard the 683, but that's the one that is in my price range.

Which center and surround would match these? Will be using Pioneer SC-1522K receiver

Any suggestions/recommendations.
post #13813 of 17912
Listen to both the 683 and 684. I preferred the 684, but that's just me. For the 683 the matching center would be the htm61, with 685's for surrounds. The htm61 seems to get mixed reviews with many preferring using a 685 for a center. The hard part is finding a single 685 as they are sold in pairs. Other options would be the htm62 for a center, and 686's or M1's for surrounds.
post #13814 of 17912
Hi all,

Looking for a good Center Channel match for a pair of Older 601 S2's. I've have read some posts in other places, but wanted to reach out here. The 601's are literally like new and sitting around doing absolutely nothing for the past few years. My dad used to used the for music-only, but that was only occasionally. Trying to figure out how to repurpose them in my home, and I have no need for an audio-only solution (already have one of those...) but thought I might be able to build an HT solution around them The obvious concern is matching it correctly. Would any of the current center channel models be a close-enough match sonically, or do I get to trawl eBay and the forums looking for a used model from that generation??? smile.gif

Thanks!!!
post #13815 of 17912
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Originally Posted by crn3371 View Post

Listen to both the 683 and 684. I preferred the 684, but that's just me. For the 683 the matching center would be the htm61, with 685's for surrounds. The htm61 seems to get mixed reviews with many preferring using a 685 for a center. The hard part is finding a single 685 as they are sold in pairs. Other options would be the htm62 for a center, and 686's or M1's for surrounds.

The pair of 685 will cost less than a single HTM61. Yiu can always use a spare 685 as back surround, if you won't be able to sell it.
post #13816 of 17912
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Originally Posted by leo2498 View Post

BTW Rod any change in sound quality with the time over your 800?

Nothing new to report. I haven't actually had much more time with the speakers since my update from 2 weekends ago now. It's just been so busy at work lately so I had been getting home late thus not getting any real quality time with the speakers and then I was out of town most of last week and this past weekend.

Hopefully things will settle down in the coming days and I can get back to some critical listening sooner rather than later.
post #13817 of 17912
This might be more of a AVR question, but I figured it's knowledge of B&W speakers that's key here, so here goes:

Sadly, my new AVR (Pioneer SC1522k) will only let me select a single crossover point for my entire 7.1 setup. It's pretty limited too, only giving me options of 50, 80, 100, and 120 Hz (IIRC). My speakers include:

B&W 683 mains
B&W HTM2 center (NOT the diamond one)
Polk FXi A6 bi/dipole surrounds (55 Hz F3 point)
B&W 685 surround rears
Epik Empire Sub

I'm thinking 80 Hz would be the best option to select, but I'd like a second opinion. Also, should all speakers be set to small? The 683s can certainly dig a bit, but I'm still thinking they could be set to small to clean up the sound some. Just feels like such a waste to have 683s that get used the same as the 685s.

Input appreciated.
post #13818 of 17912
Yes set all speakers to small.

I would say 80hz is what's probably going to sound best, but have a play. What ever sounds best for you is your correct choice!
post #13819 of 17912
I have set mine to small and yes on sub, and large with plus on sub. It is really up to your ears.
post #13820 of 17912
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Originally Posted by Chris Campbell View Post

This might be more of a AVR question, but I figured it's knowledge of B&W speakers that's key here, so here goes: Sadly, my new AVR (Pioneer SC1522k) will only let me select a single crossover point for my entire 7.1 setup. It's pretty limited too, only giving me options of 50, 80, 100, and 120 Hz (IIRC). My speakers include: B&W 683 mains B&W HTM2 center (NOT the diamond one) Polk FXi A6 bi/dipole surrounds (55 Hz F3 point) B&W 685 surround rears, Epik Empire Sub. I'm thinking 80 Hz would be the best option to select, but I'd like a second opinion. Also, should all speakers be set to small? The 683s can certainly dig a bit, but I'm still thinking they could be set to small to clean up the sound some. Just feels like such a waste to have 683s that get used the same as the 685s. Input appreciated.

The higher yo go the more difficult to place the sub, experiment that's the best way to do it, see what yo like your center is your best speaker from the 800 series!
post #13821 of 17912
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Originally Posted by ray16kv View Post

I have set mine to small and yes on sub, and large with plus on sub. It is really up to your ears.

Interestingly, the latter of your methods is mentioned in my AVR manual. Though it mentions it can sometimes be sub-optimal on account of low frequency cancellation since both sources are playing those sounds. Probably 100% room dependent. I'll give both a try though.

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Originally Posted by wse View Post

The higher yo go the more difficult to place the sub, experiment that's the best way to do it, see what yo like your center is your best speaker from the 800 series!

Good point. My sub is a dipole (opposed) sealed design, and I've read that it's not as position dependent as most subs in a room, which is somewhat a good thing for me, since my room layout has few options for that. My AVR doesn't have any kind of sub EQ or room correction for LFE, either, so I guess I should go no higher than 80Hz on the xover. I love the center I have, but it's not the super nice one that costs thousands (I wish!). It's the Nautilus HTM2, which seems like it's radically different from the current HTM2 Diamond. Just an unfortunate nomenclature, I suppose.

Thanks for all the suggestions.
post #13822 of 17912
How would you guys compare the 683 to the focal 716v?

I have read that the center channel is not that great in the B&W 600 series, what has been your experience with them. any alternatives.
post #13823 of 17912
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Originally Posted by sid369 View Post

How would you guys compare the 683 to the focal 716v?

I have read that the center channel is not that great in the B&W 600 series, what has been your experience with them. any alternatives.

Equivocal. biggrin.gif

I think the Focal is a little more accurate, but I think the B&W should sound just as pleasing. wink.gif
post #13824 of 17912
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

Equivocal. biggrin.gif

I think the Focal is a little more accurate, but I think the B&W should sound just as pleasing. wink.gif

Does accurate mean better?

I called a local dealer and he has the Focal, B&W and PSB.

I am thinking of going and listening to all three and see which one I like. I really liked the CM9, but because of price looking for their lower end models.

Do B&W need a lot of power to run them?
post #13825 of 17912
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Originally Posted by sid369 View Post

Does accurate mean better?

I called a local dealer and he has the Focal, B&W and PSB.

I am thinking of going and listening to all three and see which one I like. I really liked the CM9, but because of price looking for their lower end models.

Do B&W need a lot of power to run them?

No. Accurate means a flatter frequency response, not "better sound".

Whichever one sounds more likable to you is the better one.

There are several factors that really determine power requirement. The biggest one is the sensitivity/ efficiency of the speakers.

If a speaker has a sensitivity of 90dB/w/m, it means 2 speakers (stereo) will be able to play 93dB at 1 meter distance w/ only 1 watt of power. At 2 meters, the 2 speakers will play 90dB w/ 1 watt of power. At 4 meters, the 2 speakers will play 87dB w/ 1 watt of power. At 4 meters, the 2 speakers will play 90dB w/ only 2 watts, 93dB w/ 4 watts, 96dB w/ 8 watts, 99dB w/ 16 watts, 102dB w/ 32 watts, 105dB w/ 64 watts.

A speaker may dip down to 4 ohm at certain frequencies. But as long as the amp is high quality and stable down to 4 ohms, you are safe. Most $1K AVR from Denon, Yamaha, Pioener, HK, Sony, Onkyo, are stable down to 4 ohms.

See if someone could help you do a single-blinded test between the CM9 vs 683 vs Focal vs PSB. Knowing how expensive a speaker costs and different brand names will introduce bias.

Also make sure you compare the speakers in Direct or Pure Direct mode to bypass all room correction, DSP, EQ.
Edited by AcuDefTechGuy - 5/15/13 at 9:20am
post #13826 of 17912
How much are the B&W 683 for, can't see the price on their website.
post #13827 of 17912
So I got to sit down for a soild 45 minutes with my 800's last night. I listened to the new Joe Satriani album in 2 channel analog bypass. The soundstage from the 800's over the 802's is just immense, I mean the sound is everywhere. A typical saying for a good speaker is that it pulls you into the performance but this is different you are not pulled in you so much as you are enveloped by it. It was uncanny by times because I know if I was blind folded and couldn't see the display of my SSP to see what mode was selected, if I was asked which speaker(s) is the sound coming from I could easily be fooled into thinking all speakers were at work because there were times in the songs where I could have sworn the surround 802 speakers were outputting sound. The 802's never pushed the music so far into the room, they retained a separation of the front listening environment from going into the back of the room giving the impression that if you wanted complete immersion the surround speakers would need to be engaged via Logic 7, etc. to be completely enveloped by the music.
post #13828 of 17912
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Originally Posted by Rod#S View Post

So I got to sit down for a soild 45 minutes with my 800's last night. I listened to the new Joe Satriani album in 2 channel analog bypass. The soundstage from the 800's over the 802's is just immense, I mean the sound is everywhere. A typical saying for a good speaker is that it pulls you into the performance but this is different you are not pulled in you so much as you are enveloped by it. It was uncanny by times because I know if I was blind folded and couldn't see the display of my SSP to see what mode was selected, if I was asked which speaker(s) is the sound coming from I could easily be fooled into thinking all speakers were at work because there were times in the songs where I could have sworn the surround 802 speakers were outputting sound. The 802's never pushed the music so far into the room, they retained a separation of the front listening environment from going into the back of the room giving the impression that if you wanted complete immersion the surround speakers would need to be engaged via Logic 7, etc. to be completely enveloped by the music.

Sounds superb Rod - I'm awaiting my install (trying to see if I can get them today but I think my dealer would prefer to wait for the amps to come in first)

I'll post feedback once settled in, but I suspect if the timing is tomorrow afternoon, the first thing I'll be watching is the Rangers Bruins game - not exactly an exhilarating audio experience...
post #13829 of 17912
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Originally Posted by thrang View Post

Sounds superb Rod - I'm awaiting my install (trying to see if I can get them today but I think my dealer would prefer to wait for the amps to come in first)

I'll post feedback once settled in, but I suspect if the timing is tomorrow afternoon, the first thing I'll be watching is the Rangers Bruins game - not exactly an exhilarating audio experience...
So did you buy 800s also?
post #13830 of 17912
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Originally Posted by jima4a View Post

So did you buy 800s also?

Yes
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