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post #14311 of 17854
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Originally Posted by baranowski View Post

I tried audyssey flat during home theater playback and could not hear the difference... maybe different for music.

glad you are loving the speakers.

Bill

Did you make sure Dynamic EQ (DEQ) is turned on and Dynamic Volume is turned off ?

Because plain Audyssey or Audyssey Flat does utterly nothing for me either -- unless DEQ is turned on.

For years I would imprudently automatically turn off DEQ and thus was never able to see any benefits whatsoever for movies and music.

But now, both 2Ch music and 2Ch/5Ch movies absolutely benefit from DEQ for me.

So turn dynamic volume off, Audyssey to Flat, and turn DEQ to on (if it is turned off).
post #14312 of 17854
ADTG - What processor are you using? Which Audyssey?
post #14313 of 17854
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Originally Posted by jima4a View Post

ADTG - What processor are you using? Which Audyssey?

Denon AVP-A1HDCI Audyssey XT (not XT32).

I have a qualm about shipping my 60 lbs AVP back and forth. If there were a Denon center nearby, I would have upgraded. biggrin.gif

If only they still offered a standalone XT32 component, like that SVS EQ1 (discontinued).
post #14314 of 17854
I will give those changes a shot in a day or two with my next movie viewing.

Bill
post #14315 of 17854
LOOKING......b&w 802 midrange and base grills..

shoot me an email if you hear anything...

Thanks in advance,

Bill
post #14316 of 17854
Heard new generation 800 series in the work! Time to upgrade again! I think not! Look Ma no more green frown.gif !
post #14317 of 17854
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

Heard new generation 800 series in the work! Time to upgrade again! I think not! Look Ma no more green frown.gif !


Well that was inevitable. Wonder if its another five years of evolutionary tweaks or a new direction?
post #14318 of 17854
Hi guys my family room is 14x17x9 and opens to my kitchen. I was looking at getting 3 b&w cm1 for the fronts and keep my nht speakers for rears. My sub is the HSU VTF15H. Would the CM1's work in this room or should I look at the towers and center. My friend just ask me if I'm thinking about selling my kef's. So this got me think about B&W speakers.
Edited by jsil - 7/20/13 at 7:51pm
post #14319 of 17854
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Originally Posted by djnickuk View Post

I had the pm1 for about a month up against the sig 805, 805s and N805. I found the pm1 to be the least impressive of the lot.The pm1 was quite a bit less dynamic than all the 805 speakers. With it pipping the high end on the N805 - just. Considering I was comparing them for rear height duties the N805 won for that purpose purely due to cost. For fronts I would choose either sig 805 or 805s but ideally 805d2 of course. But I have 802d and htm1d for front duties and sig 8NT For sides and scms for front heights. Having said all the the pm1 are a lovely speaker. Perhaps a little too laid back for me. But imaging is great. Pair with a decent sub and you have a lovely system. But the 805s for perform better.

805Ds are nice
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Originally Posted by akhter View Post

Well that was inevitable. Wonder if its another five years of evolutionary tweaks or a new direction?
post #14320 of 17854
The old nautilus 800 series is still a fantastic range and above cm and pm range IMHO. I sold my n804 last year after almost 10 years of use and at moderate levels it blew away most new speakers. Amazingly I was able to sell them at close 70pc of what's paid for them!

Simply brilliant. I would never trade them for anything less than the diamond series. Before getting the 802d2 I auditioned many speakers and no new speakers under 4k could come close to in IMHO.
post #14321 of 17854
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Originally Posted by akhter View Post

Simply brilliant. I would never trade them for anything less than the diamond series. Before getting the 802d2 I auditioned many speakers and no new speakers under 4k could come close to in IMHO.

Aren't the 802d2s $15k, why were you comparing under $4k?
post #14322 of 17854
B&W DM6's.

Rescued from the trash across the street on bulk pickup day--- got in seconds ahead of the scrapper, who picked up one of the Yamaha NS's in there--- I got the other (which I use as a center channel....) smile.gif

I got rid of the stands. Probably sacrilege... :-)
post #14323 of 17854
Hi,

Just a update and a small question, Its been a month with the 802D2's and the HTM2D2 and i have resolved most of the small issues i had. I am still playing a little with angles and toe in. I think i will end up crossing them 'behind' me if i do it in direct triangle its almost too sharp and ends in a too small sweetspot for me.

After a about a month my feeling of a little bright is gone, probably a combination of playin (of mostly my ears) and for HT use some changes i made in how it did the EQ. One thing i am very happy with is the centre before ordering it i figured it was a pity they didn't make a HTM1D2 but its been a joy and given its (relative) small size very impressive (i did angle it up a little more than just their stand allowed).

So about toe in, i see more than a few pictures online where they don't do any. Most on this forum go for 'hit the ear' directly what have you all found the effects of different angles to be on the 800 line?

Daniel.

PS: i also scanned the whole thread now so i know a little more about the history and the questions asked.
post #14324 of 17854
Im upgrading from 683s. Has anyone heard the cm10s yet? Was going to get cm9s until i heard about cm10s. Just not sureif there will be a 1000 sound difference. Any help/advice would be greatly appreciated
post #14325 of 17854
Hi, new member on this site. My hiif system today consist of the following units:
B&W 802 Matrix Series 3
Mark Levinson No. 380
Audio Research LS-7
Mark Levinson No. 335
Cambridge Azur 840C
Monster Cable CX-2 (old timer but damn good cable)
Tara Labs Prism Omni
Van den Hul - The Second.

I've been through numerous of units through the years. Started with a Luxman CL-34/MQ68 PD-300 and a pair of B&W DM12. I enjoyed this system for a year or so but got dragged in to the nerd World while working as a hifi sales consultant at the importer of Martin Logan, Musical Fidelity, Mission, Meridian, Ariston and later the production of the famed Primare Systems 928. The year went by and a lot of gear plus girlsfriends ;-) went in and out of my life. Later on I settled, got 3 nice kids and still managed to keep up with my interest in hifi and music. Today I Work with food (close to hifi) and now close to my 20 years of anniversary as a pro livesoundengineer.

In autum 2012 I sold my Martin Logan Quest and Threshold s/500. I was about to move and wanted to scale Down. I kept my Audio Research LS 7 and some moded less expensive cd players bought a Audo Research D-125. I found a pair of B&W DM17 for app. 130,- USD. They brought back my memories from the time I got my first system. Wow those speakers sounded great. I forgot all about hif and enjoyed the music. Needed bass and want to avoid a subwoofer. Found a set of B&W DM7, recaped it and changed the coroded connections. I was in heaven........but as you guy knows more wants more. Ugraded to B&W 802 series 1 without contour control (still got this set) Then upgraded again to B&W 802 Matrix Series 3. Sold the D-125 and got a Mark L No. 335. Not quite happy though. The LS-7 sounded nice but something was missing......borrowed a Mark L No 380 and from another friend a Cambridge 840C - vupti (Danish slang) everything fall into its place.I bought the units and really has re discovered my music Collection.

Now I once in a while dream about 802 Diamonds......boy one day my dream will come thrugh :-)
Have a nice summer......
post #14326 of 17854
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Originally Posted by Batmobil View Post

Hi, new member on this site. My hiif system today consist of the following units:
B&W 802 Matrix Series 3
Mark Levinson No. 380
Audio Research LS-7
Mark Levinson No. 335
Cambridge Azur 840C
Monster Cable CX-2 (old timer but damn good cable)
Tara Labs Prism Omni
Van den Hul - The Second.

I've been through numerous of units through the years. Started with a Luxman CL-34/MQ68 PD-300 and a pair of B&W DM12. I enjoyed this system for a year or so but got dragged in to the nerd World while working as a hifi sales consultant at the importer of Martin Logan, Musical Fidelity, Mission, Meridian, Ariston and later the production of the famed Primare Systems 928. The year went by and a lot of gear plus girlsfriends ;-) went in and out of my life. Later on I settled, got 3 nice kids and still managed to keep up with my interest in hifi and music. Today I Work with food (close to hifi) and now close to my 20 years of anniversary as a pro livesoundengineer.

In autum 2012 I sold my Martin Logan Quest and Threshold s/500. I was about to move and wanted to scale Down. I kept my Audio Research LS 7 and some moded less expensive cd players bought a Audo Research D-125. I found a pair of B&W DM17 for app. 130,- USD. They brought back my memories from the time I got my first system. Wow those speakers sounded great. I forgot all about hif and enjoyed the music. Needed bass and want to avoid a subwoofer. Found a set of B&W DM7, recaped it and changed the coroded connections. I was in heaven........but as you guy knows more wants more. Ugraded to B&W 802 series 1 without contour control (still got this set) Then upgraded again to B&W 802 Matrix Series 3. Sold the D-125 and got a Mark L No. 335. Not quite happy though. The LS-7 sounded nice but something was missing......borrowed a Mark L No 380 and from another friend a Cambridge 840C - vupti (Danish slang) everything fall into its place.I bought the units and really has re discovered my music Collection.

Now I once in a while dream about 802 Diamonds......boy one day my dream will come thrugh :-)
Have a nice summer......

Welcome Batmobil! The 802 Diamonds are definitely nice, but just a little FYI, those are 800 Diamonds in your picture. Just a tad more expensive than the 802 Diamonds. wink.gif
post #14327 of 17854
Yeah they are 800 Diamonds. They are for sale in Bangkok.......still dreaming rolleyes.gif
post #14328 of 17854
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Originally Posted by Batmobil View Post

Hi, new member on this site........Have a nice summer......

Welcome, are these new finish for the 800 Diamond it sound like they are the tiger eye finish from the old series before the diamond! Unless it is a custom finish:)
post #14329 of 17854
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Originally Posted by sass8181 View Post

Im upgrading from 683s. Has anyone heard the cm10s yet? Was going to get cm9s until i heard about cm10s. Just not sureif there will be a 1000 sound difference. Any help/advice would be greatly appreciated
You going have to wait till August or September when when they come out and I hope BW come with a new center channel too,so like the rest of us just have to wait.
post #14330 of 17854
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Originally Posted by danielo View Post

Hi,

Just a update and a small question, Its been a month with the 802D2's and the HTM2D2 and i have resolved most of the small issues i had. I am still playing a little with angles and toe in. I think i will end up crossing them 'behind' me if i do it in direct triangle its almost too sharp and ends in a too small sweetspot for me.

After a about a month my feeling of a little bright is gone, probably a combination of playin (of mostly my ears) and for HT use some changes i made in how it did the EQ. One thing i am very happy with is the centre before ordering it i figured it was a pity they didn't make a HTM1D2 but its been a joy and given its (relative) small size very impressive (i did angle it up a little more than just their stand allowed).

So about toe in, i see more than a few pictures online where they don't do any. Most on this forum go for 'hit the ear' directly what have you all found the effects of different angles to be on the 800 line?

Daniel.

PS: i also scanned the whole thread now so i know a little more about the history and the questions asked.

It will depend on the room. My inclination is to set the speakers width first (based on your preference for soundstage width). Keep in mind the proximity to the side walls in affecting the sound. If you are experiencing bass issues (or not crossing over at all) then you might want to first find a minimal room mode location with a calculator (1/3, 1/5, etc.). This will apply to the distance from the back wall as well as side (if adjustable). Then experiment with mono recordings or A capella vocals and start with toe-in and move outwards. You get to the point where the voice sounds too diffuse and then move slightly back in. In some rooms there will seem to be a decline in spaciousness due to reflection off the side (or rear) walls when toed in. You will have to test and re-test if you are really concerned about it.

B.
post #14331 of 17854
I'm not sure. I found them on Ebay and I'm not quite sure about their history. The seller is not open to my questions......so I let them go and try to find another pair. Rgs Mik
post #14332 of 17854
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Originally Posted by sass8181 View Post

Im upgrading from 683s. Has anyone heard the cm10s yet? Was going to get cm9s until i heard about cm10s. Just not sureif there will be a 1000 sound difference. Any help/advice would be greatly appreciated

Do not waste your money. The decent upgrade from 683 will be a used first generation 803D. Should be close in price with CM10 too.
post #14333 of 17854
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Originally Posted by ap1 View Post

Do not waste your money. The decent upgrade from 683 will be a used first generation 803D. Should be close in price with CM10 too.
803D cost 10 thousand dollars CM10 is 4 thousand dollars a pair you call that close.
post #14334 of 17854
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Originally Posted by Chise View Post

803D cost 10 thousand dollars CM10 is 4 thousand dollars a pair you call that close.

10k is for new 803d2, he is talking about used 803d1.

I had cm9. My buddy has 683.

Cm9 look nicer wout grills, more defined highs in my opinion, but less low end. So depends on ur application if worth the change. I would consider it more of a lateral move even though they cost more. Agree with sourcing used 803d1
post #14335 of 17854
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

Welcome, are these new finish for the 800 Diamond it sound like they are the tiger eye finish from the old series before the diamond! Unless it is a custom finish:)

those are the old signature series. That guy selling them is wrong about the speakers. The good news is scamers are pretty stupid when it comes to the bigger b&w speakers. but then again ANYONE going to spend thousands of dollars and send it to a foreign country to a guy with not a single feedback....is getting what they deserve.

there are a few of the same exact speakers from scamers on ebay.... they just recycle them over and over again.....

Bill
post #14336 of 17854
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Originally Posted by Chise View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by ap1 View Post

Do not waste your money. The decent upgrade from 683 will be a used first generation 803D. Should be close in price with CM10 too.
803D cost 10 thousand dollars CM10 is 4 thousand dollars a pair you call that close.

You should be able to find a pair of 803D (first gen) for little over $5000.
post #14337 of 17854
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Originally Posted by baranowski View Post

those are the old signature series. That guy selling them is wrong about the speakers. The good news is scamers are pretty stupid when it comes to the bigger b&w speakers. but then again ANYONE going to spend thousands of dollars and send it to a foreign country to a guy with not a single feedback....is getting what they deserve. there are a few of the same exact speakers from scamers on ebay.... they just recycle them over and over again.....Bill

I would never buy any speakers from overseas on ebay or any other sites!! Plus I would never buy used unless I can demo it, but that's just me smile.gif
post #14338 of 17854
I would take used old nautilus 804/805 or 804s/805s over any cm series speakers including upcoming cm10. You can find used mint condition ones around 2.5-4k.
post #14339 of 17854
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Originally Posted by jsil View Post

Hi guys my family room is 14x17x9 and opens to my kitchen. I was looking at getting 3 b&w cm1 for the fronts and keep my nht speakers for rears. My sub is the HSU VTF15H. Would the CM1's work in this room or should I look at the towers and center. My friend just ask me if I'm thinking about selling my kef's. So this got me think about B&W speakers.

It looks like you have the KEF Q900s and the Q600 center. IMHO, moving to the CM1s is not an upgrade. I think you would need to move to the CM9s (or at a bare minimum the CM5s) to get comparable quality to the Q900s. In fact, a move to the Diamond series might make more sense for a ¨true¨ upgrade.
post #14340 of 17854
Hi postrokfan, thanks for the reply.
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