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post #14761 of 17970
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Originally Posted by SeattleHTGuy View Post


Kal, I really didn't have much choice on Height Speakers.  .

I was being very glib in that exchange and, as a result, might have been less than clear about my feelings.  I have no objections to Height speakers being in the ceiling if positioned well.  My objection was to putting any of the FL/C/FR/SL/SR/RL/RR channels up there.

post #14762 of 17970
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Originally Posted by NagysAudio View Post

I just want to say that the B&W CM5s are some of the best monitor speakers on the market today. They are true gems. And they have a Mundorf Supreme capacitor in the crossover! I couldn't believe my eyes! Awesome speakers. From what I've listened to so far they're above and beyond the $1500 competition.

That Mundorf Supreme capacitor doesn't fix their on axis and off axis frequency response problems, so what good is it?
post #14763 of 17970
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Originally Posted by NagysAudio View Post

Speaker measurements are about as useless as it gets when evaluating how a speaker sounds. All good sounding speakers were made by accident.

Sounds like a B&W fan to me! wink.gif
post #14764 of 17970
Hello to all,
I have not posted in the B&W thread before but I am currently looking for some to replace my current speakers.

I am looking at new and used ones. New ones I have looked at are the M1s.
Used would be:
Solids
DM640 ( Floor standing ) $ 800.00
CDM7 SE ( Floor standing ) $ 675.00
DM601 S2 ( Smaller size ) $ 350.00

Anyone have any recommendations on any of these speakers and what a good combination would be?
Like one of the floor standing models and M1s or Solids for surround?
Or if you have a different model all together.

What I have now is:
Pioneer Elite VSX-23TXH
Pioneer Elite BDP-41FD Blue Ray ( HDMI )
Samsung ES7500 60' LED HD ( HDMI )
DishNetwork 722 DVR ( HDMI )
And a mix of Infinity fronts and Martin Logan surrounds for a total of 7.2

Thanks for any advice,

Will
post #14765 of 17970
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Originally Posted by NagysAudio View Post

I just want to say that the B&W CM5s are some of the best monitor speakers on the market today. They are true gems. And they have a Mundorf Supreme capacitor in the crossover! I couldn't believe my eyes! Awesome speakers. From what I've listened to so far they're above and beyond the $1500 competition.

Have you compared them to the KEF LS-50?
post #14766 of 17970
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Originally Posted by flrun View Post

Hello to all,
I have not posted in the B&W thread before but I am currently looking for some to replace my current speakers.

I am looking at new and used ones. New ones I have looked at are the M1s.
Used would be:
Solids
DM640 ( Floor standing ) $ 800.00
CDM7 SE ( Floor standing ) $ 675.00
DM601 S2 ( Smaller size ) $ 350.00

Will

CDM7 SE ( Floor standing ) $ 675.00

this one in your list.

B.
post #14767 of 17970
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Originally Posted by NagysAudio View Post

Yes, I've actually had a chance to listen to the LS50 and the R300 bookshelf speakers. I like KEF. Always have. But I would not buy them because I feel there are better choices out there. They have a nice balance and do everything OK, but the midrange/tweeter to me sounds hard. I like a more romantic sounding speaker.

I have had CM 5, CM center and and CCM 818 in ceiling in 5.1 configuration with Rel T 9 sub.

Last week I demoed the KEF 201/2, R 300 and R 500 speakers.

I was comparing the 805 D to the 201/2. Bottom end of 805 D was better than 201/2, mid range was comparable between the two and 805 D was better on highs.

I preferred the R series KEF to the CM line of B&W. KEF r series had better imaging to me. Quite frankly I am so impressed with R series I may switch over.
post #14768 of 17970
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Originally Posted by NagysAudio View Post

Speaker measurements are about as useless as it gets when evaluating how a speaker sounds. All good sounding speakers were made by accident.
I bet they work because of magic too. You sound like someone that has never designed / built / engineered anything.
post #14769 of 17970
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Originally Posted by Brian B View Post

CDM7 SE ( Floor standing ) $ 675.00

this one in your list.

B.

Brian - So the CDM7 SE is a better speaker?

Any suggestions on the surrounds?

Thanks.
Will
post #14770 of 17970
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Originally Posted by flrun View Post

Brian - So the CDM7 SE is a better speaker?

Any suggestions on the surrounds?

Thanks.
Will

Where are you putting them?
post #14771 of 17970
Brian -
The surrounds?
1 center
2 surround ( Sides )
2 rear surround

When I get my new receiver I will have 2 more surround but not sure where they will go yet.
post #14772 of 17970
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Originally Posted by flrun View Post

Brian -
The surrounds?
1 center
2 surround ( Sides )
2 rear surround

When I get my new receiver I will have 2 more surround but not sure where they will go yet.


What I meant was: on the wall, in the wall, in the ceiling, on the floor, floorstanding, stands, bookshelves, etc.?

B.
post #14773 of 17970
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Originally Posted by Brian B View Post

What I meant was: on the wall, in the wall, in the ceiling, on the floor, floorstanding, stands, bookshelves, etc.?

B.

They would all be on stands.
post #14774 of 17970
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Originally Posted by flrun View Post

They would all be on stands.

Used? 600 series bookshelves..? We have two sets of 601s--1 set needs grills. PM if you are interested. (Assuming you want direct firing and have the space.) Otherwise the 600 model perhaps, i.e. 686 if you want smaller.

If you want dipole then DS3/6, but probably hard to find used.

B.
post #14775 of 17970
601's, not 602's. 603's, not 604's. CDM7's rock, as do the CDM bookshelves.
post #14776 of 17970
Alright, thanks Brian.

I Pulled the trigger on the CDM7 SEs, just picked them up $670. Guess what I am going to be doing tomorrow.

Now I need to start on the rest. I will have to check out the 601s and the CDM bookshelves since I have the fronts now.

PGT FTW - good to know about the CDM7s. Leesburg, VA I used to live there.
post #14777 of 17970
sweet! IIRC, they sold for $1700 new back in '99/'00. Where in Leesburg? I'm as far north and east you can get and still be "in town" (vs. the county)
post #14778 of 17970
Roommate just upgraded our living room. Thought I'd make some of you B&W-guys jealous :P



Too bad I'm moving out in a month frown.gif
post #14779 of 17970
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Originally Posted by ClasseAddict View Post

I had no choice but to go with in-walls for my surrounds. The depth of my room does not allow for floor standing speakers. I did however get the equivalent of a 804 for my in-walls which I think is pretty good. If you look at the back boxes, most if not all of the technology that goes into the Diamonds series is there, it's just in the wall. It was the best I could do. With 2 REL G1's for the fronts and a Velodyne DD-18 for the rear I have plenty of effects floating around the room. Keep in mind I did a lot to the room itself, more than anyone I've seen on this forum for sound treatment. I have sound panels, bass traps, and front and rear in wall sound treatments. I would have preferred having a floor standing Diamond series surround but it's not to be at this point. to do it would require ripping out a wall and taking over an upstairs bedroom. Fortunately since the SIG 8NT's were discontinued I got a very good deal

Fair enough, I assume you plan to stay in that house forever? You see for me I would never put so much money in the wall!
post #14780 of 17970
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

Fair enough, I assume you plan to stay in that house forever? You see for me I would never put so much money in the wall!

couldn't you just pull those out before you move?
post #14781 of 17970
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Originally Posted by Salamandro View Post

Roommate just upgraded our living room. Thought I'd make some of you B&W-guys jealous :P



Too bad I'm moving out in a month frown.gif

they really do exist!
look really nice in white, i hope to pick up a pair in the next 6 months.
post #14782 of 17970
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Originally Posted by PGT FTW View Post

sweet! IIRC, they sold for $1700 new back in '99/'00. Where in Leesburg? I'm as far north and east you can get and still be "in town" (vs. the county)

Is there any way to find out what year they were manufactured? I haven't found a date on them anywhere.

I don't remember where in Leesburg, it was years ago. I lived mainly in the Herndon area, near Dulles airport. Spent a lot of time in Fairfax, Reston, Manassas, Centreville.
post #14783 of 17970
Hi there!
I am buying all new speakers for a 7.2 system.

I am oscillating violently between two speakers for front L/R:
- B&W 802 Diamond - latest iteration - i.e. 802 D2
- KEF Reference 205/2

The other 5 speakers would probably stay in the same family (all B&W or all KEF).

I am leaning 802D2.

Can the B&W 802 Diamond owners chime in here? I was wondering if any of you have any second thoughts or if you are very happy with your purchase. I am interested in any notes of caution you may have for me before i pull trigger. Don't need to mention amp power. I think i have enough.

Some questions i have:

- How were your interactions with dealer and/or B&W.
- How was the packaging? Was it adequate for the weight of speaker? Any damage from shipping?
- How is fit and finish, build quality? Any small nits that annoyed you?
- Was there more listener fatigue (at high volume) in your room than initially anticipated?
- How hard was it to get them to sound good in your room?
- Do you use room treatments?
- Do you use Audyssey or any other mechanism to alter the sound for movies and/or music?
- How easy was it to integrate them with subs? (I have two JL f113)

Any notes of caution before i pull the trigger? If you could do it all over again, would you stick with 802 Diamond? Are you very happy with your decision?

thanks a bunch
Edited by bao01 - 9/8/13 at 11:26am
post #14784 of 17970
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Originally Posted by bao01 View Post

Hi there!
I am buying all new speakers for a 7.2 system.

I am oscillating violently between two speakers for front L/R:
- B&W 802 Diamond - latest iteration - i.e. 802 D2
- KEF Reference 205/2

The other 5 speakers would probably stay in the same family (all B&W or all KEF).

I am leaning 802D2.

Can the B&W 802 Diamond owners chime in here? I was wondering if any of you have any second thoughts or if you are very happy with your purchase. I am interested in any notes of caution you may have for me before i pull trigger. Don't need to mention amp power. I think i have enough.

Some questions i have:

- How were your interactions with dealer and/or B&W.
- How was the packaging? Was it adquate for the weight of speaker? Any damage from shipping?
- How is fit and finish, build quality? Any small nits that annoyed you?
- Was there more listener fatigue (at high volume) in your room than initially anticipated?
- How hard was it to get them to sound good in your room?
- Do you use room treatments?
- Do you use Audyssey or any other mechanism to alter the sound for movies and/or music?
- How easy was it to integrate them with subs? (I have two JL f113)

Any notes of caution before i pull the trigger? If you could do it all over again, would you stick with 802 Diamond? Are you very happy with your decision?

thanks a bunch

New member here. I have some experience between these two systems and can maybe share my thoughts because I agonized over this same decision between two dealers both of which were kind of ok to deal with.

When I was auditioning systems I felt that, to me, I prefered the KEF 205 as a complete system. I felt they were more forceful and solid sounding in the large room the dealer had them setup in. Especially on the low end impacts that the subs didn't cross up into.

Having already owned B&W PM1 for my 2ch sys in my office I thought I would prefer their sparkle and "airyness" regardless of movie or music but the KEF Ref ultimately just came across as more solid and on point. The transparancy of the 802 wasn't a benefit for the multichannel where I thought it would be. This system was all powered with some pricey Bryston electronics, too. In fairness, however, the dealer had them in a smallish room. I got a little gun shy as well when he said that he felt the 802 would be better suited to a medium sized room. Weird, to me, because they are large speakers with large drivers. His take was that the lower end of the 802 was the weaker part of the speaker and wouldn't open up for really large spaces. Not my words, the dealers.

Also, in my demo experience I felt the KEF center channel drew me in more and kept thing consistant in the panning across the front stage. That was another difference I found apparent.
post #14785 of 17970
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Originally Posted by 68firebird View Post



New member here. I have some experience between these two systems and can maybe share my thoughts because I agonized over this same decision between two dealers both of which were kind of ok to deal with.

When I was auditioning systems I felt that, to me, I prefered the KEF 205 as a complete system. I felt they were more forceful and solid sounding in the large room the dealer had them setup in. Especially on the low end impacts that the subs didn't cross up into.

Having already owned B&W PM1 for my 2ch sys in my office I thought I would prefer their sparkle and "airyness" regardless of movie or music but the KEF Ref ultimately just came across as more solid and on point. The transparancy of the 802 wasn't a benefit for the multichannel where I thought it would be. This system was all powered with some pricey Bryston electronics, too. In fairness, however, the dealer had them in a smallish room. I got a little gun shy as well when he said that he felt the 802 would be better suited to a medium sized room. Weird, to me, because they are large speakers with large drivers. His take was that the lower end of the 802 was the weaker part of the speaker and wouldn't open up for really large spaces. Not my words, the dealers.

Also, in my demo experience I felt the KEF center channel drew me in more and kept thing consistant in the panning across the front stage. That was another difference I found apparent.

Thanks! I am hoping to pull trigger soon but i like to torture my self by continually changing my mind. I even have an Excel pro/con worksheet with weighted attributes for a final numerical ranking - i need help frown.gif
post #14786 of 17970
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Originally Posted by bao01 View Post

Thanks! I am hoping to pull trigger soon but i like to torture my self by continually changing my mind. I even have an Excel pro/con worksheet with weighted attributes for a final numerical ranking - i need help frown.gif

What are the rankings you've worked up and are debating?
post #14787 of 17970
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Originally Posted by PlexMulti View Post

What are the rankings you've worked up and are debating?

- Measurements
- Looks
- Reviews
- Other speakers in family for nicely integrated 7.1 system for movies
- Looks
- Build quality / fit and finish
- Amount of engineering money spent
- Time since release i.e. how recent was design done - is it "long in the tooth"?
- Company reputation / customer service
- Looks
- Dealer markup, ability to negotiate down from MSRP
- Looks

KEF Ref has not been updated since what? 2006? A good speaker is a good speaker but it is still long in the tooth.
Diamond was released in 2010 i think so B&W is spending money on their lineup - not just giving profits to shareholders.

ok - here is terrible part - i know i will get in trouble on the forum: I have not heard either. It is quite a drive to hear both. AND I will not be able to hear 205/2. Only 201/2 which is of questionable benefit. AND the rooms will not be anything like mine AND the electronics will not be anything like mine. So i am still debating whether or not i will make the LONG drive to audition. I probably will.
post #14788 of 17970
Well, after 2 years of saying I should do it, I did it and wall-mounted my 60-inch Samsung. I've used the Nautilus 805s and HTM2 for 10 years. For the first time, the HTM2 is not buried in the cabinet and can breathe with the 805s. I recently added the Marantz AV7005 to go with my Rotel 1075 multi-channel amp. I think I'm set for another 10 years.

post #14789 of 17970
Has anybody received their CM10s yet? Curious of their impressions from upgrading from 683s
post #14790 of 17970
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Originally Posted by jima4a View Post

I would suggest the Halo A-31 based on your front three - they are worth it! I find it hard to believe the 70.1 can handle all those with no limitations although I am sure it is a good amp. A Mac would be nice but I think you would be happy with the A-31.

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Originally Posted by BVLDARI View Post

A good friend of mine uses one of the Onkyo receivers to drive his 803/HTM2 diamond set. He's very happy. I use(d) marantz MA700 monos to drive my 802 and HTM2. That said, I ended up buying an MC452. Now here is the obvious news - if you live in a "normal" house you don't need much power. I havn't had a chance to crank up the MC452 yet and have only listened to it at slightly above conversation level and this requires significantly less than 1 W.

So why did I buy it when a receiver is clearly “good enough”? I was of the “all amps sound the same” camp. And I proved myself wrong when I went out and auditioned the MC452 against my MA700. I also wanted a Mac for a very long time. So if you can afford it – spend the big bucks on a “cool” amp. But rest assured that 99% of people even on this forum are not to “need” anywhere near 500 W. In my humble opinion of course.

P.S. I am looking at an A31 to drive my center and surrounds primarily because it sounds good and I can't justify spending almost 4 times as much on the MC303. But you can't go wrong with either of those.

Thanks for your input guys. I agree that my 70.1 feels a bit light in terms of power needed to drive my 803D's. That's why I am thinking about upgrading my amp set up. I too think that the Mac's look cool and they sound great. But they are a bit pricy so I'm hesitating right now. Do dealers have Mac deals during Black Friday?

Any input on Emotiva amps? They seem to cost a bit less than either the Parasound or Mac amps, perhaps because they are internet direct.

Thanks again for your help and advice.

Cal68
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