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post #14941 of 17804
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Originally Posted by scanido View Post

Never thought of aesthetics being a factor for an inwall, but yes, the bigger 3-way would look more dominant taking up 1/2 the height of an 8' wall. Those woofers would look slick! But the thought that the driver complement of the CWM8.3 with the rohacell drivers, and FST midrange, to the front speakers is appealing, but necessary??

If i forego the matching Backer Boxes, which are also insanely priced $1700 MSRP, and build the encloser with plywood, you think thats a decent compromise, or better to go for the cheaper CWM8.5 with the backerboxes?

Thanks guys!

My opinion is to get the cheaper surrounds because there is NOTHING going on in the surround except ambient sound effects.
post #14942 of 17804
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

My opinion is to get the cheaper surrounds because there is NOTHING going on in the surround except ambient sound effects.

I don't think that's true at all. More and more modern mixes are using the surround channels more liberally and aggressively

While I agree the front soundstage gets the most action, the effect for me having larger side and rear surrounds is appreciably different than satellites or small in walls. By being able to move more low frequency through the surrounds, there is a much more enveloping effect than crossing more to the subs, at least in my setup and with the Room Perfect eq system.

Whether something is "worth" it is another story, but if it can be budgeted without strain it should be considered.
post #14943 of 17804
You are making a big mistake if you try and build your own backer boxes. There's a lot of technology in the backer box design, including baffles and chambers designed to give you the full benefit of that specific in wall speaker. The primary reason why in wall speakers don't perform as well as those in cabinets is the lack of the cabinet itself. I can assure you B&W has put a lot of time and effort into making sure their in-wall speakers perform as good as possible by specifically designing the backer boxes to give the same performance as their free standing series. If you can't afford the backer boxes you will be much better off dropping to the cheaper CWM8.5 that includes them. In addition I think you will find they are easier to install since they are intended for existing homes, therefore you cut the hole for the entire backer box and slides into the hole you cut..

One thing that has not been discussed and should be:

The reason why B&W sells backer boxes separately is not because they are intended to be optional, rather they are intended to be installed as part of a rough-in, when the walls are sheet rocked. A home being roughed in might take a lot of time to build, why start a warranty on your speakers when not necessary? Buy the backer box at rough-in time, buy the speakers when its time to get the system up and running. I installed Sig 8NT in my system and the walls had to be opened up to install the backer boxes, then sheet rocked back over them. It would be impossible to install them without opening the walls up. I just wanted to mention this because it's really important that backer boxes be used that were designed for the speaker in question. I wish B&W made this a little more clear in their literature.



Good luck with your quest to get in-wall surrounds.

See Ya,
Steve



quote name="scanido" url="/t/755048/b-w-owners-thread/14940#post_23763368"]Never thought of aesthetics being a factor for an inwall, but yes, the bigger 3-way would look more dominant taking up 1/2 the height of an 8' wall. Those woofers would look slick! But the thought that the driver complement of the CWM8.3 with the rohacell drivers, and FST midrange, to the front speakers is appealing, but necessary??

If i forego the matching Backer Boxes, which are also insanely priced $1700 MSRP, and build the encloser with plywood, you think thats a decent compromise, or better to go for the cheaper CWM8.5 with the backerboxes?

Thanks guys![/quote]
post #14944 of 17804
I have been reading many threads where people debate the importance of the surrounds and the rear surrounds. Like thrang states, maybe you have to be careful in terms of when people were posting to a thread. Technology changes rapidly and maybe these days on the latest (2013) sci-fi, action movies, the mixers do things differently than 3 or 4 years ago. Maybe they assume many homes will have pretty good surrounds and rear surrounds and they send a fair amount of sound to them. Maybe in 2014 and 2015, there will be even more sound going to these speakers. Hard to say i guess. I can't wait to watch Prometheus with good surrounds.

Then there is multi-ch music. I guess it never caught on. Now there is Blu-ray Audio. I think the total SACD, DVDA and BD-Audio library is about 0.001% of the iTunes and Amazon mp3 library. I think that is a joke. People keep citing the same old tired albums: Pink Floyd, Rolling Stones, Dianna Krall etc. No offense intended but that stuff does not appeal to a lot of people.

When multi-ch music library gets to about 5% of the iTunes library, i will take notice.

Does music sound good when you use your pre-pro to send stereo source to four speakers? Dolby something or other. Maybe i will like it. I have never tried it.

But I still think I will get good floor standers (804D2) for my surrounds to match my 802D2 fronts. The rear surrounds will be my really old Paradigms since i think spending a lot of money on the rear surrounds is not worth it since they fire into the back of your head. Pretty much any speaker will do i think.

I really wish there was a real mutli-ch music library.

My 2c.
Edited by bao01 - 9/23/13 at 10:46am
post #14945 of 17804
Well said! I'm glad to see others mentioning this. My system has excellent surrounds and it's off the charts awesome to listen to newer movies putting a lot of information into the surround tracks. I really don't understand why so many members of this forum think you can go cheap on the surrounds? No doubt it's a personal choice, but as I've said before...try listening to a movie with your main speakers off and you will see how much info is coming from your surrounds.

See Ya,
Steve
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Originally Posted by thrang View Post

I don't think that's true at all. More and more modern mixes are using the surround channels more liberally and aggressively

While I agree the front soundstage gets the most action, the effect for me having larger side and rear surrounds is appreciably different than satellites or small in walls. By being able to move more low frequency through the surrounds, there is a much more enveloping effect than crossing more to the subs, at least in my setup and with the Room Perfect eq system.

Whether something is "worth" it is another story, but if it can be budgeted without strain it should be considered.
post #14946 of 17804
I moved up from 805s to Sig 8 NTs in walls for surround. The difference it made was massive. So much more presense with the dedicated bass drivers.

I did however have to make my own back boxes as I installed them as on wall speakers. I used the internal dimensions of the true b&w back boxes but made them a little shorter but wider. REW measures the speakers very well. Boxes fully braced and it was a true lesson in science to get them to perform as they should.
post #14947 of 17804
Ordered B&W CWM8.3 w/ Backboxes!!

I actually had to see for myself how much information is in the surrounds, so this afternoon I disconnected all my speakers and left my current rear SCMS surrounds on. Put on several of my favorite blurays to sample (Avatar, Cloverfield, The Avengers, Xmen First class) and to my surprise the surrounds were indeed being taxed pretty hard on the demanding scenes. Not only are ambient sounds being output most of the time, but the majority of action scenes had a lot of quick and impact hitting content.

I love action movies so I thought I wouldn't of been as happy with the smaller CWM8.5s so I decided to go all out for the bigger CWM8.3 with the corresponding backer boxes. Heck for this price B&W should of just went all the way and designed the line with matching diamond tweeters! If only isle space was not a premium and it would be so much better getting 804D2's, but these will have to do!

Will keep you posted once I get them installed and how well they integrate with my 802D2's.

Ok thanks all for providing your valuable feedback!
post #14948 of 17804
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Originally Posted by scanido View Post

Ordered B&W CWM8.3 w/ Backboxes!!

I actually had to see for myself how much information is in the surrounds, so this afternoon I disconnected all my speakers and left my current rear SCMS surrounds on. Put on several of my favorite blurays to sample (Avatar, Cloverfield, The Avengers, Xmen First class) and to my surprise the surrounds were indeed being taxed pretty hard on the demanding scenes. Not only are ambient sounds being output most of the time, but the majority of action scenes had a lot of quick and impact hitting content.

I love action movies so I thought I wouldn't of been as happy with the smaller CWM8.5s so I decided to go all out for the bigger CWM8.3 with the corresponding backer boxes. Heck for this price B&W should of just went all the way and designed the line with matching diamond tweeters! If only isle space was not a premium and it would be so much better getting 804D2's, but these will have to do!

Will keep you posted once I get them installed and how well they integrate with my 802D2's.

Ok thanks all for providing your valuable feedback!

Congrats, post some pictures when done...
post #14949 of 17804
Did anyone compare the B&W CM-10's to the 802D's?
post #14950 of 17804
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Originally Posted by NAIM101 View Post

Did anyone compare the B&W CM-10's to the 802D's?

A friend of mine compared the CM10 to the 804D2 and said absolutely w/o a doubt not even close - spend the extra money on the 804D2.
post #14951 of 17804
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

My opinion is to get the cheaper surrounds because there is NOTHING going on in the surround except ambient sound effects.

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post #14952 of 17804
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Originally Posted by gonzlobo View Post

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post #14953 of 17804
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post #14954 of 17804
Well, I did say there will be difference in opinions. biggrin.gif

That's just what I think, fellas. smile.gif

I watch a ton of movies and that's my impression.
post #14955 of 17804
To be honest...There is no comparison between the CM10 and 804D2. They may appear the same but any comparison stops there. The CM10 fills an important niche in the B&W line up and while I've not heard them I'm sure they deliver good value. I've been told by many high end audio dealers that B&W Diamond series speakers are almost impossible to beat by competitors at their price point. B&W sells so many and has an incredible manufacturing advantage that they can't be beat in their price range. I've heard this quote multiple times. I feel the statement has merit, I'm sure there are plenty that would disagree. I love my Diamond series speakers. However... the bottom line if all your budget allows is CM10's then that's it. I own a pair of PM1 for my den, and they sound great and meet my needs for my den system...Yet the PM1 can't and don't compete with the 805D2, not even close...but they cost 50% less!
I would suggest you consider at least looking for used 804D2 and see what's out there? If you find some in warranty, it could be a good move.

See Ya,
Steve
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Originally Posted by BVLDARI View Post

A friend of mine compared the CM10 to the 804D2 and said absolutely w/o a doubt not even close - spend the extra money on the 804D2.
post #14956 of 17804
I respect your opinion, to each his own. Where I think the big divide lays is in the statement related to what info is delivered to the surrounds? I have a 5.1 system, no side surrounds, no ceiling surrounds. Just 2 surround speakers for all surround info located on the rear wall of my room. I'm saying for my system and the way it's set up...a ton of sound comes out and I feel the investment I made in my surrounds that retailed at about $6k including back boxes was a worthwhile investment that exceeded my expectations. Fortunately I got a deal because they were discontinued, so I'm even happier. I had Klipsch IW250 in walls that cost about $600 a set 12 years ago, very hefty meaty speakers with large drivers and tweeters, they certainly qualify for what you consider acceptable. Made back when Klisch was a very respectable company. When compared to my new surrounds, it's like I went from acceptable effects that were above average to the best frickin effects I've ever heard. Incredibly clear, thunderous, awesome, goose bump sound.

I have no idea why your $6k surrounds don't blow your mind, but mine do. Under no circumstances am I saying you can't have a great sounding system with less expensive surrounds. I'm also not saying the $$ could not be spent wiser, by buying better mains or a better sub. But....if you have the funds available and you buy the right surrounds, and if the system is set up properly and driven by the right amp I'm saying the results can be spectacular and worth the investment.

I will say again...I found out the hard way on my system. I'm a pretty smart guy when it comes to technology, above average for sure. My first go around I did it all myself, measured speaker location, installed my in wall speakers myself, the works. It sounded very good...but I knew it could be better. The main issue was the room itself. I've already posted a ton about that project on this forum, photos too. But I want to say again, regardless of what hard wear you buy, including B&W Diamonds, if your room is not right, you may be sorely disappointed with the end result. The key to the best surround sound, and even 2 channel sound is the room itself. Spend some of your budget making the room right and the end result can be worth it. My ears never get fatigued from listening to my system, the clarity is without fault, speech is pristine and effortless, mids have the authority you want, and the bass is as crisp and thunderous as ocean waves creasing against rocks, or a mega cruiser space ship cruising above the planet as Jedi Knights cruise in from behind combine to give the thundering engine noise of the cruiser while the high pitch Jedi Knight ship slip in from behind and move across the screen. They unknown back ground effect noise instantly becomes vital to how much you enjoy your system. The devil in the details and I'm telling y'all have a plan for your system, design it based on a budget that addresses the whole room.. Implement the plan with a drawing that allows sketches and drawing of the before and after the room is finished. Have budget, follow the budget

Have Fun!

See Ya,
Steve
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

Well, I did say there will be difference in opinions. biggrin.gif

That's just what I think, fellas. smile.gif

I watch a ton of movies and that's my impression.
post #14957 of 17804
Steve,


I think you are absolutely right about treating the room. What I read in this forum about the importance of the surrounds is really in about two different setups...

For example, in a 5.1 system like yours, the quality of the two surrounds (either side or rear) is critical..however, for a 7.1 setup, the quality of your side surrounds is more critical since you are listening directly to them...in a 7.1 system the sound coming from rears is just some ambiance..in a way the sound of your 2 rears channels is being split (with certain movies) and the side surrounds are doing most of the job... In this case as long as you have a rear speaker with similar timbre matching and a rear subwoofer, will do the job right....
post #14958 of 17804
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Originally Posted by ClasseAddict View Post

I respect your opinion, to each his own. Where I think the big divide lays is in the statement related to what info is delivered to the surrounds? I have a 5.1 system, no side surrounds, no ceiling surrounds. Just 2 surround speakers for all surround info located on the rear wall of my room. I'm saying for my system and the way it's set up...a ton of sound comes out and I feel the investment I made in my surrounds that retailed at about $6k including back boxes was a worthwhile investment that exceeded my expectations. Fortunately I got a deal because they were discontinued, so I'm even happier. I had Klipsch IW250 in walls that cost about $600 a set 12 years ago, very hefty meaty speakers with large drivers and tweeters, they certainly qualify for what you consider acceptable. Made back when Klisch was a very respectable company. When compared to my new surrounds, it's like I went from acceptable effects that were above average to the best frickin effects I've ever heard. Incredibly clear, thunderous, awesome, goose bump sound.

I have no idea why your $6k surrounds don't blow your mind, but mine do. Under no circumstances am I saying you can't have a great sounding system with less expensive surrounds. I'm also not saying the $$ could not be spent wiser, by buying better mains or a better sub. But....if you have the funds available and you buy the right surrounds, and if the system is set up properly and driven by the right amp I'm saying the results can be spectacular and worth the investment.

I will say again...I found out the hard way on my system. I'm a pretty smart guy when it comes to technology, above average for sure. My first go around I did it all myself, measured speaker location, installed my in wall speakers myself, the works. It sounded very good...but I knew it could be better. The main issue was the room itself. I've already posted a ton about that project on this forum, photos too. But I want to say again, regardless of what hard wear you buy, including B&W Diamonds, if your room is not right, you may be sorely disappointed with the end result. The key to the best surround sound, and even 2 channel sound is the room itself. Spend some of your budget making the room right and the end result can be worth it. My ears never get fatigued from listening to my system, the clarity is without fault, speech is pristine and effortless, mids have the authority you want, and the bass is as crisp and thunderous as ocean waves creasing against rocks, or a mega cruiser space ship cruising above the planet as Jedi Knights cruise in from behind combine to give the thundering engine noise of the cruiser while the high pitch Jedi Knight ship slip in from behind and move across the screen. They unknown back ground effect noise instantly becomes vital to how much you enjoy your system. The devil in the details and I'm telling y'all have a plan for your system, design it based on a budget that addresses the whole room.. Implement the plan with a drawing that allows sketches and drawing of the before and after the room is finished. Have budget, follow the budget

Have Fun!

See Ya,
Steve

Surely some movies have more surround sound than others. And surround sound is fun. I unequivocally prefer 5.1 DTS-HD & Dolby TrueHD over 2.1. I utterly prefer 5.1 over 2.1 movies.

I'm just saying the surround channels are not nearly as important as the front 3 & subs and, therefore, not usually "worth" several thousand dollars. It would be overkill. Much less expensive speakers could do as well a job for surround duty.

Here is one analogy, which may not be good, but I'll try.

A Ferrari vs. a Toyota Camry driving 1 mile from your house to a gas station in a 30 MPH speed zone vs. driving 100+ MPH on the Autobahn.

So why do I have $6K surround speakers?

100% pure aesthetic. They look damn good. cool.gifbiggrin.gif

So to me, they are worth $6K. But I still think they are OVERKILL.

And if I were a billionaire, I would have $1,000,000 surround speakers. biggrin.gif And they would be overkill. And I would still think $200 surround speakers would do as well a job for surround duty as my overkill $1,000,000 surround speakers.

And I think all amps sound the same: $30,000 Krell vs. Emotiva vs. $300 Crown XL1000 amps.

And I would never buy Emotiva just because I don't like their aesthetic or their name, even though I think they sound as good as any,

I use Kimber Kable speaker cables, but I don't think they sound any better than cheap RCA cables from Wal-Mart.

But that's my opinions. We all have them. wink.gif

And for the record, nothing "blows" me away, except maybe "Yo-Yo Ma Plays Ennio Morricone". biggrin.gif

I've heard plenty of speakers, including $200K speakers, and nothing blows me away. smile.gif

Is it time for a beer yet? eek.gifbiggrin.gif
Edited by AcuDefTechGuy - 9/24/13 at 6:12am
post #14959 of 17804
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

Surely some movies have more surround sound than others. And surround sound is fun. I unequivocally prefer 5.1 DTS-HD & Dolby TrueHD over 2.1. I utterly prefer 5.1 over 2.1 movies.

I'm just saying the surround channels are not nearly as important as the front 3 & subs and, therefore, not usually "worth" several thousand dollars. It would be overkill. Much less expensive speakers could do as well a job for surround duty.

Here is one analogy, which may not be good, but I'll try.

A Ferrari vs. a Toyota Camry driving 1 mile from your house to a gas station in a 30 MPH speed zone vs. driving 100+ MPH on the Autobahn.

So why do I have $6K surround speakers?

100% pure aesthetic. They look damn good. cool.gifbiggrin.gif

So to me, they are worth $6K. But I still think they are OVERKILL.

And if I were a billionaire, I would have $1,000,000 surround speakers. biggrin.gif And they would be overkill. And I would still think $200 surround speakers would do as well a job for surround duty as my overkill $1,000,000 surround speakers.

And I think all amps sound the same: $30,000 Krell vs. Emotiva vs. $300 Crown XL1000 amps.

And I would never buy Emotiva just because I don't like their aesthetic or their name, even though I think they sound as good as any,

I use Kimber Kable speaker cables, but I don't think they sound any better than cheap RCA cables from Wal-Mart.

But that's my opinions. We all have them. wink.gif

And for the record, nothing "blows" me away, except maybe "Yo-Yo Ma Plays Ennio Morricone". biggrin.gif

I've heard plenty of speakers, including $200K speakers, and nothing blows me away. smile.gif

Is it time for a beer yet? eek.gifbiggrin.gif

Now that's a lot of emoticons.

I think reality doesn't jibe with your opinion on the point of quality surrounds. Original surround mixes were definitely light in the pants, so your opinion would have been supported by experience. But for the past several years, the use of surround channels has become more discrete and overt. Along with lossless payload delivery, better surrounds unquestionably improve the experience.

To spend $6,000 on surrounds for aesthetics only is your right, but it will read as silly to nearly anyone.

Affordability or worth carries to any component in this hobby. So while I agree the front soundstage should get money first, the inverse doesn't mean spending money on the surrounds is pointless.

If you think 802D surrounds sound the same as even 805D bookshelfs, I can tell you from experience, well, that's not my experience. And compared to other mid priced speakers (which I have), is not even close.

And amps do have different sonic characteristics. If you truly think a Crown PA amp sounds the same as a quality home theater amp, I am astounded, as I've tried them seriously and packed them up so fast I cut my fingers on the cartons when re-packing. They are relatively noisy and compressed if your system is revealing. But that's not for this thread.
Edited by thrang - 9/24/13 at 6:44am
post #14960 of 17804
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Originally Posted by thrang View Post

Now that's a lot of emoticons.

I think reality doesn't jibe with your opinion on the point of quality surrounds. Original surround mixes were definitely light in the pants, so your opinion would have been supported by experience. But for the past several years, the use of surround channels has become more discrete and overt. Along with lossless payload delivery, better surrounds unquestionably improve the experience.

To spend $6,000 on surrounds for aesthetics only is your right, but it will read as silly to nearly anyone.

Affordability or worth carries to any component in this hobby. So while I agree the front soundstage should get money first, the inverse doesn't mean spending money on the surrounds is pointless.

If you think 802D surrounds sound the same as even 805D bookshelfs, I can tell you from experience, well, that's not my experience. And compared to other mid priced speakers (which I have), is not even close.

And amps do have different sonic characteristics. If you truly think a Crown PA amp sounds the same as a quality home theater amp, I am astounded, as I've tried them seriously and packed them up so fast I cut my fingers on the cartons when re-packing. They are relatively noisy and compressed if your system is revealing. But that's not for this thread.

Agree to disagree on all those points based on personal experience.

I watch all the NEW release movies in DTS-HD & TrueHD, not movies from 10 years ago. My experience is based on brand new releases that I watched yesterday, a few days ago, a few weeks ago, NOT 2 years ago or 1 year ago,

I prefer to speak freely without worrying what people may think is silly or offensive.

People sure say all kinds of things, hear all kinds of things, and believe all kinds of things, and it's their prerogative, and I will agree to disagree and leave it at that.

But I think we can all agree on one thing. Buy within your budget, not OVER. If you can easily afford 800Ds or Nautilus as surrounds, that's cool. But if you have to agonize over the decision, please buy the cheaper surrounds and stay within your budget.

I suppose the reason I say what I said is because of this. People buy over their budget based on opinions like these. So I am here to give them my honest perspective.
Edited by AcuDefTechGuy - 9/24/13 at 7:32am
post #14961 of 17804
Absolutely an important point is I am using 5.1, and therefore all of my surround comes from 2 speakers. That's why i made the point of what my system is, and how it sounds. If my room was able to handle a 7.1 setup I would do it, and I would agree the side surrounds is where to put the money, and the rear surrounds could be less expensive speakers, I would have kept the Klipsch IW250. At the end of the day...your room and how it interacts with your system is what's most important. I could have torn down a wall to get more depth, and also got a divorce too! So I took my room and made the room itself as good as possible ( from a sound and appearance perspective)
AppleMark

, bought speakers to match the room and here we are. My Sig 8NT were designed to match with the 800 Diamond series, so the timbre matching is spot on, and my rear sub does really well too. I watched Star Trek Into Darkness this weekend, and to me it was every bit as enjoyable as when I saw it with a Dolby Atmos system!

One thing I love about my system is the Crestron remote control. It's so awesome to had every mode I want to listen and watch set to work with just the touch of 1 button! Whether it's watching a movie, listening to a SACD, or iTunes, or Apple TV...just 1 button and it control the lighting too. My wife was not happy with how much I spent on this room, but she loves the remote!

See Ya,
Steve

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Originally Posted by gonzalc3 View Post

Steve,


I think you are absolutely right about treating the room. What I read in this forum about the importance of the surrounds is really in about two different setups...

For example, in a 5.1 system like yours, the quality of the two surrounds (either side or rear) is critical..however, for a 7.1 setup, the quality of your side surrounds is more critical since you are listening directly to them...in a 7.1 system the sound coming from rears is just some ambiance..in a way the sound of your 2 rears channels is being split (with certain movies) and the side surrounds are doing most of the job... In this case as long as you have a rear speaker with similar timbre matching and a rear subwoofer, will do the job right....
post #14962 of 17804

If you listen to Surround sound music then it pays to have at least a pair of good surround speakers, it is true that if you are doing an 11.4 system then book shelf with monster subs work great :)

 

That's my next set up once the kids graduate from college and we change house:  11 KEF LS50 and 4 JLAudio F113

post #14963 of 17804
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Originally Posted by ClasseAddict View Post
sound and appearance perspective)


, bought speakers to match the room and here we are. My Sig 8NT were designed to match with the 800 Diamond series, so the timbre matching is spot on, and my rear sub does really well too. I watched Star Trek Into Darkness this weekend, and to me it was every bit as enjoyable as when I saw it with a Dolby Atmos system!  One thing I love about my system is the Crestron remote control. It's so awesome to had every mode I want to listen and watch set to work with just the touch of 1 button! Whether it's watching a movie, listening to a SACD, or iTunes, or Apple TV...just 1 button and it control the lighting too. My wife was not happy with how much I spent on this room, but she loves the remote!

Is that a WOLF projector! I have a Harmony Remote on my iPad it works great :)

post #14964 of 17804
I agree 100% that you should not buy over what you can afford. However...most of the time purchases of this natural are emotional. impulsive, and in my case excessive. I love it though!

No doubt throwing the big bucks at the front end of the system is the most important. While my rear surrounds are basically hidden in the wall, and therefore nothing to drool over, I know what's behind those grills, and better yet I can hear them!

Your insight into amps is honestly out in left field. Not too many people would agree all amps sound the same. If you were to compare amps within a certain price range and wattage their could be some agreement, but to say $30k amp sound the same as a $300 one is not a position I would suggest carries any merit.

See Ya,
Steve
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

Agree to disagree on all those points based on personal experience.

I watch all the NEW release movies in DTS-HD & TrueHD, not movies from 10 years ago. My experience is based on brand new releases that I watched yesterday, a few days ago, a few weeks ago, NOT 2 years ago or 1 year ago,

I prefer to speak freely without worrying what people may think is silly or offensive.

People sure say all kinds of things, hear all kinds of things, and believe all kinds of things, and it's their prerogative, and I will agree to disagree and leave it at that.

But I think we can all agree on one thing. Buy within your budget, not OVER. If you can easily afford 800Ds or Nautilus as surrounds, that's cool. But if you have to agonize over the decision, please buy the cheaper surrounds and stay within your budget.

I suppose the reason I say what I said is because of this. People buy over their budget based on opinions like these. So I am here to give them my honest perspective.
post #14965 of 17804
Yep it's a Wolf with Anamorphic lens. I'm able to fill up 100% of my 105" screen! Watching movies as the director intended is very nice!

By the way WSE you have a killer system yourself!!!!!! I don't know of anybody with better surrounds! Your are partially to blame for me having 800D2 for my mains, just thought you should know you pushed me over the edge! My wife said she's never going to Costa rica without me again! smile.gif

See Ya,
Steve
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

Is that a WOLF projector! I have a Harmony Remote on my iPad it works great smile.gif
post #14966 of 17804
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Originally Posted by ClasseAddict View Post

Yep it's a Wolf with Anamorphic lens. I'm able to fill up 100% of my 105" screen! Watching movies as the director intended is very nice!

By the way WSE you have a killer system yourself!!!!!! I don't know of anybody with better surrounds! Your are partially to blame for me having 800D2 for my mains, just thought you should know you pushed me over the edge! My wife said she's never going to Costa rica without me again! smile.gif

See Ya,
Steve

ClasseAddict, awesome system you got going! I think your screen width is well proportioned to the size of your front three speakers. May I know what is the width of your room? Thanks!
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Like the setup ClasseAddict...
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Steve,

You have a really nice setup! As a diplomat it is very dificult for me to have one like it as I have to move frequently....but one of these days....


Cheers,

Christian
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ClasseAddict, That setup is top shelf!
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Anyone has an idea on the break in period for subwoofers?

Thanks,

Chris
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