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Originally Posted by bao01 View Post

I have a 65" plasma. Diagonal is 65" so width is 59.1" How close to the edge of plasma should each 802D2 be? I was thinking 12" between edge of plasma and edge of speaker.That would mean a total distance between speakers is 83.1" or 7 feet or 2.1 meters which is right in middle of BW rec distance of 1.5 to 3 meters.BW rec 20" between edge of TV and speaker but the picture in user guide looks like its a big square box TV and not a flat screen.thanks

I would put them as far apart as you seat is from TV. For 65" TV it will likely be 10 feet or so.
post #15002 of 17843
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Originally Posted by bao01 View Post802D2 arrive at house tomorrow smile.gif

Cool what color

post #15003 of 17843
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Originally Posted by bao01 View Post

Myself and one other person unpacked. The 18 whlr just put single pallet on my driveway and left.
Getting them upstairs using dolly almost killed us - we are both not in best of shape redface.gif
Brief inspection of tweeter indicates no cracks etc.

So right now i am positioning them and then i will hook up.

How far apart should they be with 65" plasma?

Well the hard work is done !, now give things time one of the nice things is that they are so easy to move (once unpacked) and test. My moving around was limited because of the screen so it was mostly the angle i changes over the first 3 weeks.

We are impressed you posted between placing them and first listen but its been 17+ hours we want a update and pictures !.

Daniel.
post #15004 of 17843
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Originally Posted by thrang View Post

For more money comparable to the floor standers, you gain install-ability, 2db more sensitivity, and a bit more low frequency extension. You lose the diamond tweeter and the spherical marlan head (which is a huge benefit in my mind, and which is why I would love to see a marlan head center return the line!).

I suppose when you net it out, along with the fact that a vast majority of installs are likely hybrid spaces and not dedicated, I'm guessing the CI line, especially at the higher end, remains a relative niche product. But I've not heard them, only 700 line at my dealer.

(Wow, that last paragraph has so many commas in the first sentence that my English professor would likely have me arrested...)


Hopefully they go above my expectations. From what I gather in B&W's literature and from the sounds of Marketing manager at last years Cedia, the CI800 series was designed to voice with the 800 diamonds. So we'll see about that, but i'm confident they'll be a step above my SCMS's, that are nicely matched now and those tweeters are not as technologically advanced as the newer carbon braced tweeters.
post #15005 of 17843
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Originally Posted by bao01 View Post

Myself and one other person unpacked. The 18 whlr just put single pallet on my driveway and left.
Getting them upstairs using dolly almost killed us - we are both not in best of shape redface.gif
Brief inspection of tweeter indicates no cracks etc.

So right now i am positioning them and then i will hook up.

How far apart should they be with 65" plasma?

B&W says at lest 2ft, Dolby labs says 3ft, but all with equal distance to your seating position.

I've got my 802s at about 10ft from tweeter to tweeter and we sit as far from the screen. Love the huge sound stage this presents!!

Enjoy and have fun experimenting on placement.
post #15006 of 17843
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Originally Posted by bao01 View Post

Myself and one other person unpacked. The 18 whlr just put single pallet on my driveway and left.
Getting them upstairs using dolly almost killed us - we are both not in best of shape redface.gif
Brief inspection of tweeter indicates no cracks etc.

So right now i am positioning them and then i will hook up.

How far apart should they be with 65" plasma?

Congrats! biggrin.gif

We are all glad everything worked out great.

Have you been staring at those beautiful shiny black Marlan Heads incessantly? biggrin.gif
post #15007 of 17843
I am headed down to the Ft. Lauderdale area in two weeks or so. i am looking for older 800 series speakers, a ss amp, a good sub...

shoot me an email if you have anything for sale.

thanks,
Bill
post #15008 of 17843
ok - been busy with the unpacking and WORK (it really gets in the way of enjoying life).
But here is an update. Also, I will post some pics tonight.

1) They really are BEAUTIFUL !!!

2) WHY, WHY, WHY did i wait so long to get really nice speakers? Wish i had done this a LONG time ago. The difference with my $500 circa 1988 Paradigm 7se is NIGHT AND DAY. Simply spectacular.

3) Wish i had not spent $6000 on two JL Audio f113 subs a few weeks ago. The bass from 802D2 is SPECTACULAR!!! It could be a room mode but still - i am really impressed. The f113 are still good for movies i guess.

4) Break in period - what break in period??? They sound fantastic.

I will fire up REW and start doing some speaker/room analysis.
My chair is too low for tweeters but i am getting new one - but i still think i should tilt them forward when they are on their spikes. Now they are still on rollers.

WSE, I got same color as you. One of the main reasons was your 802 "sunbathing" pic on your blu-ray forum page. You have really nice pictures that show the beautiful color very well. So I got same color.

Tonight i will watch Iron Man 3 BD which i have not seen yet. This will be first time ever with surround speakers (my old Paradigms). Pretty excited.

Next on list is the HTM2 center and 804D2 surrounds but need to save a bit. Then change to projector. Then get salamander stand.

Thanks for all the well wishes. It has been a 20 year dream to have speakers like this so yesterday was like being a kid again.
Edited by bao01 - 9/27/13 at 11:36am
post #15009 of 17843
Some technical gobledegook:


I placed them 12" from edge of 65" diagonal plasma (width=59") so distance from spkr edge to spkr edge is 12 + 59 + 12 = 83" or 6.9 ft or 2.11 meters which is near middle of BW rec distance of 1.5m to 3.0m.

For best movie viewing, chair is almost an equilateral triangle with speakers - I am a little too close to spkrs. For music, i move chair about 1ft away from TV. Many speaker manufactures indicate that an equilateral triangle is a good starting point.

But for watching movies, THX says use 0.84 as denominator with screen diagonal as numerator for viewing distance from TV screen.
I have 65" plasma so:

65"/0.84 = 77" or 6.4'.

This is distance from screen to me. This makes it very immersive which i like.
The front face of speakers are two inches out (forward) from the plane of the TV.

In terms of equilateral triangle, the 77" is the "h" or height of triangle and

a=hx2/sqrt(3)

where 'a' is triangle sides.

So the triangle sides ('a') are

90" or 7.4'


This is from me to spkr and from spkr center to spkr center, not edge to edge like above 83".

They are toed in a bit.

The THX rule of divide by 0.84 seems to mean that for movies you are sitting too close for optimal stereo imaging but maybe this is ok for 5.1 movie soundtracks.
For music, i sit a bit further back.
Edited by bao01 - 9/27/13 at 12:44pm
post #15010 of 17843
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

Have you been staring at those beautiful shiny black Marlan Heads incessantly? biggrin.gif

YES !!!!

i can't help it - i feel so ashamed smile.gif
post #15011 of 17843
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Originally Posted by bao01 View Post

YES !!!!

i can't help it - i feel so ashamed smile.gif

I was just buffing off some house dust from my 802D2's shinny Marlan this morning before going to work. biggrin.gif

They are as much piece of art as they are Hi-Fi speakers.

My wife says they look like black "Sharks" because of those tweeters on top. eek.gif

Women! biggrin.gif
post #15012 of 17843
My mrs thinks my 802d look I like darleks. She hates the htm1d tho. Lol
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When you guys have guests over, do they normally ask you if you can take the tweeter off and place it anywhere? Or if the tweeter is a microphone? eek.gif
post #15014 of 17843
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Originally Posted by BVLDARI View Post

When you guys have guests over, do they normally ask you if you can take the tweeter off and place it anywhere? Or if the tweeter is a microphone? eek.gif

I lock my HT room. eek.gif

So they don't see anything.

I let people see my family room setup. biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

I lock my HT room. eek.gif

So they don't see anything.

I let people see my family room setup. biggrin.gif

Nice. My setup is in our family room. I'm always worried about someone doing something silly ... or their kids... rolleyes.gif
post #15016 of 17843
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Originally Posted by BVLDARI View Post

When you guys have guests over, do they normally ask you if you can take the tweeter off and place it anywhere? Or if the tweeter is a microphone? eek.gif
This reminds me of an incident over the Summer. Our son comes into town to visit us for a week. We go down in the Basement to watch a movie. As I was getting the movie and entering the room, he's walking up to my speakers and saids "Hey daddy, can I talk into this" as he's reaching for my TWEETER!!!! Next he said, "Daddy, I never seen you move so fast and heard you shout so loud". I said to him "My dear child, you almost caused your dad to go into cardiac arrest." of course I had to sit down for 10 mins before I could speak so my heart could stop racing so fast and my blood pressure could come down. LOL!!! So, I then proceeded to explain to him that it's not a microphone. Long story short he then said, "Daddy, I guess I shouldn't come in here unless you are with me for the week that I am home." Daddy, then smiles and say "All the money your mother and I spent on sending you to college has really paid off. You are such a fast learner.". LOL...your children, you have got to LOVE THEM!!! Mine still keep on my toes even though he's grown and on his own. smile.gifsmile.gif
post #15017 of 17843
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Originally Posted by ninja12 View Post

This reminds me of an incident over the Summer. Our son comes into town to visit us for a week. We go down in the Basement to watch a movie. As I was getting the movie and entering the room, he's walking up to my speakers and saids "Hey daddy, can I talk into this" as he's reaching for my TWEETER!!!! Next he said, "Daddy, I never seen you move so fast and heard you shout so loud". I said to him "My dear child, you almost caused your dad to go into cardiac arrest." of course I had to sit down for 10 mins before I could speak so my heart could stop racing so fast and my blood pressure could come down. LOL!!! So, I then proceeded to explain to him that it's not a microphone. Long story short he then said, "Daddy, I guess I shouldn't come in here unless you are with me for the week that I am home." Daddy, then smiles and say "All the money your mother and I spent on sending you to college has really paid off. You are such a fast learner.". LOL...your children, you have got to LOVE THEM!!! Mine still keep on my toes even though he's grown and on his own. smile.gifsmile.gif

Wait, SPENT on college? You already sent him to college and he can't tell the difference between a microphone and a speaker? Lol.
post #15018 of 17843
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Originally Posted by JasonRabb View Post

You already sent him to college and he can't tell the difference between a microphone and a speaker? Lol.
Art major. rolleyes.gif
post #15019 of 17843
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Originally Posted by JasonRabb View Post

Wait, SPENT on college? You already sent him to college and he can't tell the difference between a microphone and a speaker? Lol.

Well, it does kind of look like a microphone. biggrin.gif

Experience is the key. If I've never paid any attention to a speaker, who knows what I might have thought. biggrin.gif

My little daughters know what a tweeter is because I taught them. And they know to stay far away from my speakers and electronics because I taught them and told them how much these things cost. biggrin.gif

Even when they go other people's houses, they know not to go near other people's speakers and electronics.

But I've seen 40-60 YO guys who totally disrespect other people's expensive gears. And that is why I lock my doors. biggrin.gif
post #15020 of 17843
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Originally Posted by JasonRabb View Post

Wait, SPENT on college? You already sent him to college and he can't tell the difference between a microphone and a speaker? Lol.
LOL!!! He thought it was a wireless mic. He was use to my 603s that I use to have. I didn't get my 802Ds until he finished college and was out on his own. So, his first visit home was his first time seeing my 802Ds. I had to give him a crash course on the new speakers. smile.gif
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Originally Posted by Bill Fitzmaurice View Post

Art major. rolleyes.gif
LOL!!! Nope, Communications was his major.
post #15021 of 17843
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Originally Posted by BVLDARI View Post

When you guys have guests over, do they normally ask you if you can take the tweeter off and place it anywhere? Or if the tweeter is a microphone? eek.gif

Yes, and that's why I don't have guests over anymore. tongue.gif
post #15022 of 17843
I'm very odd...when I have guests over, I invite them in and we watch a movie...
post #15023 of 17843
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Originally Posted by thrang View Post

I'm very odd...when I have guests over, I invite them in and we watch a movie...

So the odd part is they are hands and feet bound with tyraps ?

Daniel.
post #15024 of 17843
Perhaps some "partition ropes" would do the trick? smile.gif
post #15025 of 17843
Here is pallet on driveway after 18 wheeler has left:




Edited by bao01 - 9/28/13 at 9:54am
post #15026 of 17843
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Originally Posted by baranowski View Post

I am headed down to the Ft. Lauderdale area in two weeks or so. i am looking for older 800 series speakers, a ss amp, a good sub...

shoot me an email if you have anything for sale.

thanks,
Bill

I have 802D1 for sale if interested with CA-5200
post #15027 of 17843
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Originally Posted by bao01 View Post

Here is pallet on driveway after 18 wheeler has left:

well they seem to have not been dropped on the road thats good, but we wanted to see them in the final location !.

Daniel.
post #15028 of 17843
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Originally Posted by bao01 View Post

ok - been busy with the unpacking and WORK (it really gets in the way of enjoying life).
But here is an update. Also, I will post some pics tonight.

1) They really are BEAUTIFUL !!!

2) WHY, WHY, WHY did i wait so long to get really nice speakers? Wish i had done this a LONG time ago. The difference with my $500 circa 1988 Paradigm 7se is NIGHT AND DAY. Simply spectacular.

3) Wish i had not spent $6000 on two JL Audio f113 subs a few weeks ago. The bass from 802D2 is SPECTACULAR!!! It could be a room mode but still - i am really impressed. The f113 are still good for movies i guess.

4) Break in period - what break in period??? They sound fantastic.

I will fire up REW and start doing some speaker/room analysis.
My chair is too low for tweeters but i am getting new one - but i still think i should tilt them forward when they are on their spikes. Now they are still on rollers.

WSE, I got same color as you. One of the main reasons was your 802 "sunbathing" pic on your blu-ray forum page. You have really nice pictures that show the beautiful color very well. So I got same color.

Tonight i will watch Iron Man 3 BD which i have not seen yet. This will be first time ever with surround speakers (my old Paradigms). Pretty excited.

Next on list is the HTM2 center and 804D2 surrounds but need to save a bit. Then change to projector. Then get salamander stand.

Thanks for all the well wishes. It has been a 20 year dream to have speakers like this so yesterday was like being a kid again.

I am glad your dreams came true. biggrin.gif

Or the reason some of us don't hear a lot of bass from the speakers is because WE have room modes. Maybe you're lucky and don't have room modes or less. smile.gif

So that's great that you are loving them.
post #15029 of 17843
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

I am glad your dreams came true. biggrin.gif Or the reason some of us don't hear a lot of bass from the speakers is because WE have room modes. Maybe you're lucky and don't have room modes or less. :)So that's great that you are loving them.

Yes room mode, plus for movies your subs will take the heavy pounding!
post #15030 of 17843
Here they are undressing smile.gif





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