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Originally Posted by scanido View PostYou could always put the 802d2 for rears and 800ds for fronts!!!

That sounds good I will think about it :)

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Or I could just get 9 of these

 
 
 
 
 
 
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When I get back next week I plan to go hear a $50K Wisdom Audio setup. I am hoping I will be only mildly impressed.
post #15124 of 17968
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Originally Posted by jima4a View Post

When I get back next week I plan to go hear a $50K Wisdom Audio setup. I am hoping I will be only mildly impressed.

smile.gifsmile.gif
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Hi ALL!!

I had a few questions... I am putting together a new surround system (in another room), and really like the B&W line. I currently use Monitor Audio GX Gold Series Line and LOVE THEM.. I was looking at the PM1's, but wasn't sure what I would use for Center and Rear Channels. Are there matching speakers for that line?

Lastly.. Does anyone know what a set of 805 Bookshelf speakers cost these days?

THANKS!!!
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802D2 OWNERS MANUAL $5.43 eek.gif
post #15127 of 17968
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Originally Posted by giedrys View Post

802D2 OWNERS MANUAL $5.43 eek.gif

I don't know... That seems to be a small price to pay if:

A) one is so disorganized you lose the manual they provided
B) one is so clueless that they cannot download the PDF from the B&W website
C) one needs the manual in ones' possession, in perpetuity
post #15128 of 17968
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Originally Posted by bao01 View Post

How are the crossovers different? In the PDF brochure for entire series, i can't find a difference.
Harmonic distortion looks a bit better for 802D2.
Only from 32 Hz to 350 Hz are the drivers different (10" vs 8"). From 350 Hz on up they are identical (i think).

Both have:
"Crossover Gold/Silver/Oil
capacitors in high-frequency
crossovers, for improved
signal to tweeters and
superior sound quality."

Frequency response
800: 32Hz – 28kHz ±3dB on reference axis [better]
802: 34Hz – 28kHz ±3dB on reference axis

Harmonic Distortion 2nd and 3rd harmonics (90dB, 1m)
800: <1% 45Hz – 100kHz
802: <1% 40Hz – 100kHz [better ???]

800: <0.5% 80Hz – 100kHz
802: <0.5% 70Hz – 100kHz [better ???]

Crossover frequencies - same
800: 350Hz, 4kHz
802: 350Hz, 4kHz


I'm just jealous wink.gif

smile.gif Most people assume they are the same when looking at the specs but if you go to the B&W parts lists they are different, the 800's items cost more as well.
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Also... anyone recomend (besides McIntosh, which is WAY out of my price range), and good receiver for the PM1 or CM Line?? Anyone use Rotel?
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I have a Denon 4520 that I use with CM series 7.1. It seems to be a good one box solution.
post #15131 of 17968
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Originally Posted by Ejs71 View Post

Also... anyone recomend (besides McIntosh, which is WAY out of my price range), and good receiver for the PM1 or CM Line?? Anyone use Rotel?

Rotel is ok.

If you could swing it, check out Nad T787 or Arcam AVR750 for great sounding AVRs.
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Originally Posted by thrang View Post

I don't know... That seems to be a small price to pay if:

A) one is so disorganized you lose the manual they provided
B) one is so clueless that they cannot download the PDF from the B&W website
C) one needs the manual in ones' possession, in perpetuity

Well crafted - satire is a lost art.
post #15133 of 17968
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Originally Posted by jima4a View Post

When I get back next week I plan to go hear a $50K Wisdom Audio setup. I am hoping I will be only mildly impressed.

Do let us know how it went.
post #15134 of 17968
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Originally Posted by Rod#S View Post

I guess would expect a difference to come from the fact that the Salon2 has a a 6 1/2-inch mid-woofer plus a 4-inch midrange whereas the Studio 2 just has a 5 1/4-inch midrange so I would expect the mids from the Salon2 to be perhaps more accurate but at the very least sound different. They must have thought there was a reason for a dual mid array other then to simply milk customers for more money smile.gif

Oh, I'm sure Revel say there is a substantial difference, just like B&W, KEF, and all manufacturers say there is a difference regarding their own speakers.

Like I said, people will hear what they want to hear whether it is amps, preamps, cables, wires, DAC, etc. That is why we are all different.
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Originally Posted by Ejs71 View Post

Also... anyone recomend (besides McIntosh, which is WAY out of my price range), and good receiver for the PM1 or CM Line?? Anyone use Rotel?

Get whatever has Audyssey XT32 for Room EQ, Sub EQ, Dynamic EQ.

The Denon $1300 X4000 has that.
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

[quote name="Rod#S" url="/t/755048/b-w-owners-thread/15090#post_23794916"]I guess would expect a difference to come from the fact that the Salon2 has a a 6 1/2-inch mid-woofer plus a 4-inch midrange whereas the Studio 2 just has a 5 1/4-inch midrange so I would expect the mids from the Salon2 to be perhaps more accurate but at the very least sound different. They must have thought there was a reason for a dual mid array other then to simply milk customers for more money :)[/quote]Oh, I'm sure Revel say there is a substantial difference, just like B&W, KEF, and all manufacturers say there is a difference regarding their own speakers.Like I said, people will hear what they [B]want[/B] to hear whether it is amps, preamps, cables, wires, DAC, etc. That is why we are all different.
Especially those expensive speaker cable weirdos.
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Originally Posted by Nuz1 View Post

I have a Denon 4520 that I use with CM series 7.1. It seems to be a good one box solution.

That is a great AVR w/ Audyssey XT32, Sub EQ, Dynamic EQ. wink.gif
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Originally Posted by gonzlobo View Post

Especially those expensive speaker cable weirdos.

The human brain can only perceive and differentiate so much.

There are so many biases and variables out there.

But if they spent the money, there is NO HARM done if they choose to believe what they want to believe and hear what they want to hear and see what they want to see.

Just because I can't tell the difference doesn't mean I should try to be a...... party pooper............ Which I just realize...... is exactly...... what ....... I am doing. eek.gifredface.gif

This is only a HOBBY, not neurosurgery or building/bridge engineering. biggrin.gif

Damn, I need to lightening up, don't I? eek.gif

Oh, yeah, come to think of it, it's coming back to me now.... there was definitely a difference between all those speaker models and all that. biggrin.gif
Edited by AcuDefTechGuy - 10/3/13 at 11:35am
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

Oh, I'm sure Revel say there is a substantial difference, just like B&W, KEF, and all manufacturers say there is a difference regarding their own speakers.

Like I said, people will hear what they want to hear whether it is amps, preamps, cables, wires, DAC, etc. That is why we are all different.

So you want to hear no difference between the 802 and 800?
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Originally Posted by thrang View Post

So you want to hear no difference between the 802 and 800?

I want to hear a difference.

It would be cool and exciting to hear a difference.

I want to say, "Yeah, man, I can really truly hear a distinct difference!"

But I just don't hear a difference, which is boring.

But I think when people spend that much money, they WANT to hear a difference, which really isn't there. They are just kidding themselves.

But that's my opinion, which is probably not exactly a popular opinion, like anywhere. eek.gif
Edited by AcuDefTechGuy - 10/3/13 at 12:13pm
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Originally Posted by Ejs71 View Post

Also... anyone recomend (besides McIntosh, which is WAY out of my price range), and good receiver for the PM1 or CM Line?? Anyone use Rotel?
Pioneer SC-77 or 79 or Denon 4520ci
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Originally Posted by Ejs71 View Post

Hi ALL!!

I had a few questions... I am putting together a new surround system (in another room), and really like the B&W line. I currently use Monitor Audio GX Gold Series Line and LOVE THEM.. I was looking at the PM1's, but wasn't sure what I would use for Center and Rear Channels. Are there matching speakers for that line?

Lastly.. Does anyone know what a set of 805 Bookshelf speakers cost these days?

THANKS!!!


Brian B replied to my question 2 pages ago which was basically the same question. At least the part regarding pm1's and what center.

I am in the same boat. Looking at PM1's. But was hoping for input on that as a choice for a all tv/movie setup.

An old friend of mine owns a shop that is a B&W diamond dealer and he recommend one speaker. Brian B gave some alternatives. I tried to multi quote across pages but it didn't work.

I would like to get more input on my question which is the same as yours.
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Originally Posted by Ejs71 View Post

Hi ALL!!

I had a few questions... I am putting together a new surround system (in another room), and really like the B&W line. I currently use Monitor Audio GX Gold Series Line and LOVE THEM.. I was looking at the PM1's, but wasn't sure what I would use for Center and Rear Channels. Are there matching speakers for that line?

Lastly.. Does anyone know what a set of 805 Bookshelf speakers cost these days?

THANKS!!!
The 805 cost 5 thousands dollars a pair.
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Originally Posted by Chise View Post

The 805 cost 5 thousands dollars a pair.

What a bargain. Especially if you can buy at 10-20% off MSPR. wink.gif

Why, an aftermarket diamond tweeter alone can cost $2900 EACH, so $5800 per pair: eek.gif

http://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/hard-dome-tweeter/accuton-d20-6-3/4-diamond-dome-tweeter-89.5db-d20n-6-31/
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

What a bargain. Especially if you can buy at 10-20% off MSPR. wink.gif

Why, an aftermarket diamond tweeter alone can cost $2900 EACH, so $5800 per pair: eek.gif

http://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/hard-dome-tweeter/accuton-d20-6-3/4-diamond-dome-tweeter-89.5db-d20n-6-31/
Yeah you have the big boys toys and I have little boy toys.
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I'm not exactly sure where to start on your question or ejs71 question either. To my knowledge there has been no budget listed. I own PM1 and currently use an older Definitive Technology center but plan to use a HTM4D2 as a center at some point after I recover my my recent primary system upgrade. As long as HT is part of the mix...I think an above average center channel is needed. When listening to HT and a center speaker is part of the mix the center speaker is carrying virtually all of the dialog and a lot of the overall sound too. Some may disagree but I think the HTM4D2 is a good match with the PM1. No doubt the 805D would be even better for mains but theres a big price difference and again no budget mentioned. There's so many opinions on this forum, most have good intentions, some debatable.

My blanket answer is put is as much as you can afford in your front 3 speakers, then worry about the surrounds. If you are doing 5.1 the surrounds are more important. 7.1 or more then the side surrounds are more important than the rear surrounds.

This is a hobby where there is no amount you spend that theres not something that costs more and claims to be "better". Many go into debt, ruin relationships, or worse over the quest for the ultimate system. Most of my system I bought used and on average saved 50% or more off retail. All of it was demos from authorized dealers and had been replaced by "newer" models. In particular was the amps. While staying away from amplifier brands...I feel having more than enough power to drive the speakers is critical. Many speakers get damaged by not having enough power, much fewer are damaged by too much power to them. The amps control everything the speakers do. I mention this because it can impact how much you spend on speakers. This is even more important when considering certain brands of speakers...like B&W. They are power hungry to get the best sound from them.

I hope this helps in making your decision. I'm sure more info such as budget would help the forum guide you towards a decision.

See Ya,
Steve
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Originally Posted by t76turbo View Post

Brian B replied to my question 2 pages ago which was basically the same question. At least the part regarding pm1's and what center.

I am in the same boat. Looking at PM1's. But was hoping for input on that as a choice for a all tv/movie setup.

An old friend of mine owns a shop that is a B&W diamond dealer and he recommend one speaker. Brian B gave some alternatives. I tried to multi quote across pages but it didn't work.

I would like to get more input on my question which is the same as yours.
post #15147 of 17968
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Originally Posted by ClasseAddict View Post

I'm not exactly sure where to start on your question or ejs71 question either. To my knowledge there has been no budget listed. I own PM1 and currently use an older Definitive Technology center but plan to use a HTM4D2 as a center at some point after I recover my my recent primary system upgrade. As long as HT is part of the mix...I think an above average center channel is needed. When listening to HT and a center speaker is part of the mix the center speaker is carrying virtually all of the dialog and a lot of the overall sound too. Some may disagree but I think the HTM4D2 is a good match with the PM1. No doubt the 805D would be even better for mains but theres a big price difference and again no budget mentioned. There's so many opinions on this forum, most have good intentions, some debatable.

My blanket answer is put is as much as you can afford in your front 3 speakers, then worry about the surrounds. If you are doing 5.1 the surrounds are more important. 7.1 or more then the side surrounds are more important than the rear surrounds.

This is a hobby where there is no amount you spend that theres not something that costs more and claims to be "better". Many go into debt, ruin relationships, or worse over the quest for the ultimate system. Most of my system I bought used and on average saved 50% or more off retail. All of it was demos from authorized dealers and had been replaced by "newer" models. In particular was the amps. While staying away from amplifier brands...I feel having more than enough power to drive the speakers is critical. Many speakers get damaged by not having enough power, much fewer are damaged by too much power to them. The amps control everything the speakers do. I mention this because it can impact how much you spend on speakers. This is even more important when considering certain brands of speakers...like B&W. They are power hungry to get the best sound from them.

I hope this helps in making your decision. I'm sure more info such as budget would help the forum guide you towards a decision.

See Ya,
Steve
You are definitely right on this one,all it takes the right combo,when my friends come over my house,they blown away with my set up,my next move is getting better Power conditioner with another separated line from the fuse box.
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Anyone using paradigm speakers as some of the surrounds in a 7.1 system with their b&w. My neighbor is selling his old paradigm active 40's. wondering how they would sound with my b&w. also any idea on price for these?

he doesn't want to move them so i can't just set up them, and listen in my system.

thanks
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Originally Posted by baranowski View Post

Anyone using paradigm speakers as some of the surrounds in a 7.1 system with their b&w. My neighbor is selling his old paradigm active 40's. wondering how they would sound with my b&w. also any idea on price for these?

he doesn't want to move them so i can't just set up them, and listen in my system.

thanks

I would just match brands and stick with B&W surrounds.
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Originally Posted by Chise View Post

Yeah you have the big boys toys and I have little boy toys.

Oh, don't beat yourself up. Big or small speaker sizes, these are all really big boy toys, especially when you have big boy subs.

You do have big boy subs, right?

Because if you don't, I'm going to have to rescind my previous statement. eek.gifbiggrin.gif
Edited by AcuDefTechGuy - 10/4/13 at 7:47am
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