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Originally Posted by baranowski View Post

Anyone using paradigm speakers as some of the surrounds in a 7.1 system with their b&w. My neighbor is selling his old paradigm active 40's. wondering how they would sound with my b&w. also any idea on price for these?

he doesn't want to move them so i can't just set up them, and listen in my system.

thanks

I was using Paradigm Reference ADP v2's as sides and Studio 100 v2's as rears with my 802's and HTM2 and thought they blended quite well. When I had to downsize to 5.1 I replaced the ADP's with the 100's and again those were wonderful in the surround position.
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Originally Posted by baranowski View Post

Anyone using paradigm speakers as some of the surrounds in a 7.1 system with their b&w. My neighbor is selling his old paradigm active 40's. wondering how they would sound with my b&w. also any idea on price for these?

he doesn't want to move them so i can't just set up them, and listen in my system.

thanks

My surrounds are old digms. My plan is 804D2 to match 802D2 fronts. Timbre matching blah blah blah
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Chise-Thanks for your comments! For what its worth...I have a power regenerator, but my amps are not part of it. Everything I've been able to research, including feedback from Classe says to let the amps be feed directly from the power source. I use a PS Audio power regenerator and very pleased with it. Mine is a P10 and the graphing it does is pretty impressive. The power in my area drops as low as 108 volts during peak load during the summer and that lasts as late as midnight since the temps can stay close to 100 degrees at midnight during the summer. During those times voltage can be 108 volts and the P10 breaks down the AC voltage to DC voltage and regenerates it to 120 volts AC. It also measures THD. Heres a snapshot of what it shows:
STATUS
Master Power: On
Voltage In: 119.3
Voltage Out: 119.2
Wattage: 149.1
THD in: 3.7
THD Out: 0.2

It actually graphs 24/7 with much more info....but this is just a quick snapshot I can pull up online. I have a lot of experience with electricity and I think power conditioners are good. Based on what i know about electricity I think there is more to be gained from re-generating the power rather than trying to clean it.

In regards to amps...I have dedicated 2 20 amp circuits with upgraded 20 amp receptacles for amps/subs and 1 for rest of system. My Classe Omegas have true 20 amp plugs with upgraded Cardas power cords that were designed for the amps. All 3 circuits are on the same BUS in the breaker panel, all neutrals terminate at the same spot in the breaker panel and so do the grounds. The Subs are also powered by these circuits.

In summary...I started my venture into high end audio with some of the best gear you can buy, and it sounded good but not great. I had to fix my room. Then I had to set my room up properly and get everything dialed in. The result is the same as yours...jaw dropping clarity, music like you've never heard before and movies as good or better than the best theaters!

See Ya,
Steve
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Originally Posted by Chise View Post

You are definitely right on this one,all it takes the right combo,when my friends come over my house,they blown away with my set up,my next move is getting better Power conditioner with another separated line from the fuse box.
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If you like MCH SACD Music the I would agree buy as much as you can afford in your front 3 speakers, then get a good pair for the two sides. Ideally three 800 Diamonds D2 and two 802D2 wink.gif

For the rest 7, 9, 11 stay with in the brand but size does not matter just get two good sub and cross them at 80 HZ
post #15155 of 17845
My 5.1 are all b&w was thinking about using these for 7.1 or 9.1 (effects speakers)

ideas on price... can't seem to find any that have sold recently.

thanks
post #15156 of 17845
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Originally Posted by Rod#S View Post

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Originally Posted by baranowski View Post

Anyone using paradigm speakers as some of the surrounds in a 7.1 system with their b&w. My neighbor is selling his old paradigm active 40's. wondering how they would sound with my b&w. also any idea on price for these?

he doesn't want to move them so i can't just set up them, and listen in my system.

thanks

I was using Paradigm Reference ADP v2's as sides and Studio 100 v2's as rears with my 802's and HTM2 and thought they blended quite well. When I had to downsize to 5.1 I replaced the ADP's with the 100's and again those were wonderful in the surround position.

I would agree that B&W and Paradigm mesh quite nicely. I had a B&W 600 series 5.1 setup (601s, 600s). I recently moved the theater to a larger room and upgraded the fronts to Paradigm Monitor 11s and Center 3, moved the B&Ws back into the surround postions for a 7.1 setup. I think it sounds great. No issue with timbre at all. Granted my room correction (ARC) may have helped neutralize any differences but I think their brand/sonic signatures mesh well, regardless.
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Originally Posted by baranowski View Post

My 5.1 are all b&w was thinking about using these for 7.1 or 9.1 (effects speakers)

ideas on price... can't seem to find any that have sold recently.

thanks

Used retail: $420-$515/pr

B.
post #15158 of 17845
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Originally Posted by Brian B View Post

Used retail: $420-$515/pr

B.

that is for the "active" 40 with the individual amp and all? correct?

thanks
post #15159 of 17845
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Originally Posted by baranowski View PostMy 5.1 are all b&w was thinking about using these for 7.1 or 9.1 (effects speakers) ideas on price... can't seem to find any that have sold recently.

thanks

Get other B&Ws

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Originally Posted by baranowski View Post

that is for the "active" 40 with the individual amp and all? correct?

thanks

Yeap.

B.
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CM5s and CM Centre

I have B&W 804s and 805s and an HTM4 in a surround system in my home theater room. I just love them. I decided to get some B&W speakers for my master bedroom setup, but figured the diamond series were a little much for a bedroom, so I got CM5s and a CM Centre. I am very pleased with them, for both music and TV surround. I was afraid I'd be disappointed after getting used to the diamond series, but the CM5s are really pleasant to listen to.
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

Get other B&Ws

there are very few b&w sold around here used. the last pair (802n) i had to drive 6 hours to get. The other pairs of b&w people want way too much for. i do not have the money to buy new. and i do not have any of the diamond tweeter speakers.

but thanks for the comment.
Bill
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Originally Posted by baranowski View Post

there are very few b&w sold around here used. the last pair (802n) i had to drive 6 hours to get. The other pairs of b&w people want way too much for. i do not have the money to buy new. and i do not have any of the diamond tweeter speakers.

but thanks for the comment.
Bill

Yeah, just be patient. AudiogoN, eBay, Craigslist, AVS forum, AH forum. It will happen.

Of course, I would just be happy with 5.1, which you already have.
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Hi All,

I am looking for a new amp (stereo or monoblocks) to push my 804 Diamonds. They serve as my FL/FR speakers. The price range I would like to keep is around 5k. One of the amps that have come up in conversation is Bryston's 4 SSBT2. Emotiva monoblocks have also been discussed, and Bel Canto monoblocks for a D option. Are there any "must consider" options out there? And can anyone comment on how Bryston amps pair with the Diamonds.

Thanks for your time.

Jmen
Edited by Jmen7 - 10/5/13 at 12:03pm
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I went to listen to Sonus Faber Olympica II very nice indeed :)

 

http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/sonusfaber6/1.html

 

http://www.monoandstereo.com/2013/05/sonus-faber-olympica-speakers.html

 

http://www.monoandstereo.com/2013/07/sonus-faber-olympica-creation.html#more

 

http://www.soundandvision.com/content/sonus-faber-olympica-speakers

 

Hand made :)

 

I need a pair of stereo speakers for my office where I listen to classical 90% of the time that might be it :)

 

Unless I decide to go with these?

 

www.sonusfaber.com/ContentsFiles%5CSF_ELIPSA_SE_TONE_8_12.pdf‎

 

Sonus faber Elipsa Special Edition Loudspeaker

The Sonus faber Elipsa Special Edition, is a modified and upgraded version of the already exceptional performing Elipsa. Chief among the updates is the implementation of the same high-frequency drive unit, found in the Stradivari Homage (the flagship speaker of the Homage collection). The additional of this ultra high-performance ring radiator provides an extraordinary level of sonic refinement, openness, and extension. Additionally, slight modifications to the crossover were necessary to accommodate the new tweeter design.

 

Sonus Faber believes that the drivers are crucial to the sonic success of their approach. Thus, they continue their recent tradition of reducing moving mass, stiffening the coned drivers, while also asking the tweeter to extent out well-into the 40kHz region. What makes this recipe so remarkable is that – as with all Sonus Faber speakers – balance and harmonic richness is retained.

The 10” Scandinavian-made bass-driver uses a special magnesium-aluminum alloy cone with a pole-piece extension of milled aluminum to assist with heat evacuation from the voice coil’s gap. The midrange is a black wood pulp of special origin from Scan-Speak, valued for its midrange neutrality, mated to its own vented acoustic enclosure.

 

Inevitably, the finest drivers and cabinets in the world mean little without brilliant crossover integration. This aspect of Sonus Faber has always been a core strength, with much of the musicality and sweetness deriving from their ability to blend the various elements into an organic whole. Here, non-resonant low-order crossovers are used from their inherent dynamics and openness, with crossover points set at 250 Hz and 2.3 kHz.

 

As it is a special edition speaker, the Elipsa SE is only available in one finish: high-gloss red violin.


Edited by wse - 10/5/13 at 4:07pm
post #15166 of 17845
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Originally Posted by Jmen7 View Post

Hi All,

I am looking for a new amp (stereo or monoblocks) to push my 804 Diamonds. They serve as my FL/FR speakers. The price range I would like to keep is around 5k. One of the amps that have come up in conversation is Bryston's 4 SSBT2. Emotiva monoblocks have also been discussed, and Bel Canto monoblocks for a D option. Are there any "must consider" options out there? And can anyone comment on how Bryston amps pair with the Diamonds.

Thanks for your time.

Jmen

I actually use all Bryston amps for my Diamonds and really love them. With Bryston's neutrality/transparency you hear just what the 800 series can do. Mine are all pre-SST squared models though and it is the 4B-SST models I used for my 802's and now my 800's. My 802's and HTM2 are powered by a 6B-SST C-Series. I was acutally bi-amping the 802's then 800's with 2 4B's because I had a spare on hand from when I used to run a 7.1 setup. I'm currently just running with a single 4B on my 800's as I await a piar of Bryston mono's for the 800's. Not that I need the monos but always wanted to have a system with monos so one of the 4B's is on the selling block to help pay for the new amps.
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Originally Posted by wse View Post


I need a pair of stereo speakers for my office where I listen to classical 90% of the time that might be it smile.gif


You must have a big office to put towers into smile.gif
post #15168 of 17845
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Originally Posted by Jmen7 View Post

Hi All,

I am looking for a new amp (stereo or monoblocks) to push my 804 Diamonds. They serve as my FL/FR speakers. The price range I would like to keep is around 5k. One of the amps that have come up in conversation is Bryston's 4 SSBT2. Emotiva monoblocks have also been discussed, and Bel Canto monoblocks for a D option. Are there any "must consider" options out there? And can anyone comment on how Bryston amps pair with the Diamonds.

Thanks for your time.

Jmen

I would personally go somewhere in between.

ATI owns Theta Digital & B&K, and ATI makes some amps for many amp companies like Mark Levinson, Lexicon, JBL Synthesis, Cary Audio, Outlaw Audio, and other amp companies not disclosed.

You can get an ATI AT3002 fully balanced amp for $2200. They have 7 YR warranty, not the 20 YR warranty like Bryston, but they are extremely reliable amps.

http://www.classicaudioparts.com/index.php/amplifiers/ati-at3002-two-channel-x-300-watt-amplifier-b-stock-120-v.html

I drive my Salon2 & B&W 802D2 with the AT3000 series amp.

Bryston, McIntosh, Classe, and many other amps are also great, but also cost a lot more. However, they won't measure any better and they won't sound any better IMO.
post #15169 of 17845
Other have suggested Bryston, those are great amps. I suggest you take a hard look at Classe used amps. Possibly used CAM-400 monoblocks. You should be able to get a set for under 6k. Same amps driving 800D at Abbey Road studios and designed specifically for B&W. I've seen CAM-350 for even less. There are a few of the Delta series floating around at Classe dealers on close out. You might check with Modia and see what they have?

Good Luck!

See Ya,
Steve
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Originally Posted by Jmen7 View Post

Hi All,

I am looking for a new amp (stereo or monoblocks) to push my 804 Diamonds. They serve as my FL/FR speakers. The price range I would like to keep is around 5k. One of the amps that have come up in conversation is Bryston's 4 SSBT2. Emotiva monoblocks have also been discussed, and Bel Canto monoblocks for a D option. Are there any "must consider" options out there? And can anyone comment on how Bryston amps pair with the Diamonds.

Thanks for your time.

Jmen
post #15170 of 17845
I finally got around to taking a couple of (bad) updated pictures:



post #15171 of 17845

I would keep amplifier outside of cabinet, if you do not want to fry it. Any amplifier driving a pair of 802 at reference level will get hot quickly.
post #15172 of 17845
Nice speakers, but is the TV mounted a little high?
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Nice bvldari!

The mac mc452 is shaping up to be very popular amp, and for good reason!

If your concerned with heat in the cabinet, salamander offers a extended back panel with fans. I've got the same accessory and it works great. The fans are attached to a temp probe and only come on when needed. very quiet and worth it.
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Originally Posted by BVLDARI View Post I finally got around to taking a couple of (bad) updated pictures:



 

very nice I think it would look better with out the grills MHO!

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Originally Posted by ap1 View Post

I would keep amplifier outside of cabinet, if you do not want to fry it. Any amplifier driving a pair of 802 at reference level will get hot quickly.

Absolutely no concern with overheating the amp. I have the metal mesh front doors and I left the back completely open. Also, 99% of the time the amp is running at 45 mw (yes that’s right, not even half a watt). So for those of you who think you “need” a lot of power – think again.

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Originally Posted by petetherock View Post

Nice speakers, but is the TV mounted a little high?

The TV is probably (at most) 1” too high. The picture was taken standing up so the gap appears a lot bigger. Once you sit down the TV barely clears the tweeter.

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Originally Posted by scanido View Post

Nice bvldari!

The mac mc452 is shaping up to be very popular amp, and for good reason!

If your concerned with heat in the cabinet, salamander offers a extended back panel with fans. I've got the same accessory and it works great. The fans are attached to a temp probe and only come on when needed. very quiet and worth it.

Absolutely no concerns with overheating. As I said above, the back is completely open so it should be fine. But you are correct, salamander does offer a bunch of nice accessories and it’s nice to know that if I ever wanted to “close” the back I could do it nicely w/o worrying about overheating the equipment.
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

very nice I think it would look better with out the grills MHO!

The speaker grills? Yes for sure. I snapped a couple of quick ones. I need to set this up and take a couple of "quality" shots...

But I keep the grills on all the time because 1. The wife prefers the look; 2. Utility reasons - this is in our family room.
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Originally Posted by BVLDARI View Post

Absolutely no concern with overheating the amp. I have the metal mesh front doors and I left the back completely open. Also, 99% of the time the amp is running at 45 mw (yes that’s right, not even half a watt). So for those of you who think you “need” a lot of power – think again.
The TV is probably (at most) 1” too high. The picture was taken standing up so the gap appears a lot bigger. Once you sit down the TV barely clears the tweeter.
Absolutely no concerns with overheating. As I said above, the back is completely open so it should be fine. But you are correct, salamander does offer a bunch of nice accessories and it’s nice to know that if I ever wanted to “close” the back I could do it nicely w/o worrying about overheating the equipment.

congrats BVLDARI, looks awesome!
but you don't discard the over heating supervision so easily because even with my older rack that was open in front my rotel amp was hot some times, when I bought my classe gear the CA2300 never was hot but my CP800 was a little warmer so I decided change my rack again and with this change I got heat free devices. when you will uses your equipment again for a least 3 o 4 hour put your hand in your amp and you can see if this will hot or warmer. hot:bad feeling warmer: it's normal. smile.gif
Edited by leo2498 - 10/7/13 at 7:50pm
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Originally Posted by BVLDARI View Post

Absolutely no concern with overheating the amp. I have the metal mesh front doors and I left the back completely open. Also, 99% of the time the amp is running at 45 mw (yes that’s right, not even half a watt). So for those of you who think you “need” a lot of power – think again.
The TV is probably (at most) 1” too high. The picture was taken standing up so the gap appears a lot bigger. Once you sit down the TV barely clears the tweeter.
Absolutely no concerns with overheating. As I said above, the back is completely open so it should be fine. But you are correct, salamander does offer a bunch of nice accessories and it’s nice to know that if I ever wanted to “close” the back I could do it nicely w/o worrying about overheating the equipment.

Yeah, the newer line of macs definitely run very cool. When I do push my MC601s to at most 60w peaks for afew hours the top is barely even warm.
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Originally Posted by leo2498 View Post

congrats BVLGARI, looks awesome!
but you don't discard the over heating supervision so easily because even with my older rack that was open in front my rotel amp was hot some times, when I bought my classe gear the CA2300 never was hot but my CP800 was a little warmer so I decided change my rack again and with this change I got heat free devices. when you will uses your equipment again for a least 3 o 4 hour put your hand in your amp and you can see if this will hot or warmer. hot:bad feeling warmer: it's normal. smile.gif

Overall I agree with what you said.

I have been monitoring the temperature and the amp is barely warm.

Finally, I had the speakers on yesterday from roughly 8 AM till about 10 PM nonstop. Still barely warm.

The Marantz's get noticeably warmer than the MC452 does but still nothing I would be concerned with.
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Originally Posted by BVLDARI View PostThe speaker grills? Yes for sure. I snapped a couple of quick ones. I need to set this up and take a couple of "quality" shots...

But I keep the grills on all the time because 1. The wife prefers the look; 2. Utility reasons - this is in our family room.

Interesting my wife likes to see the wood and the drivers, she really doesn't like the black!

 

This is why I would have never been able to get the Piano Black she thinks they look like coffins!

 

 

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