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post #15241 of 17962
Quote:
Originally Posted by live4rush View Post

I am trying to buy a B&W 683 pair locally. They have a receipt and they are from 2008.
Is 500 a good price for them?
Did anything change in the speakers since then?

It's a good price if the speakers sound great to you and look great to you.

Don't worry about "changes".

Even speakers from 20 years ago can sound just as good as speakers today. But only you can determine. So give them a listen.
post #15242 of 17962
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Originally Posted by Brian B View Post

If CWM663 vs. HTM62 are the choices then definitely HTM62.

B.
For the receiver he's using is good match thanks brian.
post #15243 of 17962

Thanks. Unfortunately I cant listen to them before buying. I know its very risky.

It is from an old couple and they think they are in excellent condition.

Will take a decision if they pass the visual test. 

post #15244 of 17962
Quote:
Originally Posted by live4rush View Post

I am trying to buy a B&W 683 pair locally. They have a receipt and they are from 2008.
Is 500 a good price for them?
Did anything change in the speakers since then?
Nope that's when they came out,but for five hundred dollars that's great buy.
post #15245 of 17962
I have a pair of 804s and an HTM4 center. I'm looking to add a pair of rears for 7.1. My current sides are Polks and am strongly considering changing those out for DS3s. First consideration is the rear however.
Can anyone recommend a pair of rears?

Thanks
post #15246 of 17962
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Originally Posted by jszei View Post

I have a pair of 804s and an HTM4 center. I'm looking to add a pair of rears for 7.1. My current sides are Polks and am strongly considering changing those out for DS3s. First consideration is the rear however.
Can anyone recommend a pair of rears?

Thanks
PM-1 or 805 Diamonds.
post #15247 of 17962
Quote:
Originally Posted by jszei View Post

I have a pair of 804s and an HTM4 center. I'm looking to add a pair of rears for 7.1. My current sides are Polks and am strongly considering changing those out for DS3s. First consideration is the rear however.
Can anyone recommend a pair of rears?

Thanks

Scms or 805s if you can find a good pair preowned.
post #15248 of 17962
Quote:
Originally Posted by jszei View Post

I have a pair of 804s and an HTM4 center. I'm looking to add a pair of rears for 7.1. My current sides are Polks and am strongly considering changing those out for DS3s. First consideration is the rear however.
Can anyone recommend a pair of rears?

Thanks

I also have 804s and an HTM4 center. I have 805s for both side surrounds and rear surrounds. I was a little reluctant to spend that much on surrounds, but the system sounds great, noticeably better than when I used less expensive speakers for sides and rears.
post #15249 of 17962
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Originally Posted by BillJulyan View Post

I also have 804s and an HTM4 center. I have 805s for both side surrounds and rear surrounds. I was a little reluctant to spend that much on surrounds, but the system sounds great, noticeably better than when I used less expensive speakers for sides and rears.

Are your 805s on stands or somehow wall mounted?

Thanks everyone for your input.
post #15250 of 17962
Quote:
Originally Posted by jszei View Post

Are your 805s on stands or somehow wall mounted?

Thanks everyone for your input.

The side surrounds are on stands, the rears are on bookshelves (the wall behind the primary listening location is floor to ceiling bookshelves).
post #15251 of 17962
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Originally Posted by BillJulyan View Post

I also have 804s and an HTM4 center. I have 805s for both side surrounds and rear surrounds. I was a little reluctant to spend that much on surrounds, but the system sounds great, noticeably better than when I used less expensive speakers for sides and rears.
That's best way to go.
post #15252 of 17962
I had the same speakers as you. Still have a pair of 804s.
To answer your question... I would buy 804s for the rears in a 5.1 system. Maybe even the sides, as well, in a 7.1....

But..

If I were you I would focus on getting a htm3. That will make the largest difference in your system. You could even use the older htm1d

Bill
post #15253 of 17962
Err sorry not the htm1d the old htm1n. .. auto correct got me again
post #15254 of 17962
I agree with suggestions for sides and rear surrounds. 804's, 805's are both outstanding speakers. I also agree center channel speaker upgrades are a lot more important than surrounds or effects upgrades if you already have those speakers in the system.

I do want to mention in-walls are a great option if space or appearance is an issue. If done properly with back boxes in-walls sound just as good as similar free standing speakers in the B&W line up. In particular rear surrounds on stands can be a challenge, as well as space too. In my opinion B&W has the best overall line-up of speaker choices of Any Manufacturer. Free standing, on stands, ceiling or in-wall they got you covered. Better yet in virtually any scenario the have centers, surrounds, and effects speakers that line up properly to the mains. The difficult part is choosing how much to spend and not getting divorced in the process.

I'm thankful I bought my wife a new and greatly improved wedding ring for our 25th anniversary before I got my system upgrades! I think this hobby can certainly create some division in harmony with the spouse. I'm glad I'm done with the upgrades for the foreseeable future. Even my projector is 4K ready...the only thing I have to worry about is 4K source and content and that is still a few years away before enough content makes it worth considering.

The great news is quality speakers never become obsolete. You can always buy better ones, but good speakers will always sound good!

I will say again...do yourself a favor and have a professional assess your room. Rarely does this get done, yet room upgrades such as bass traps, wall treatments, etc. provide more bang for the buck than most system upgrades. Room issues are the biggest limiting factor in any system, 2 channel or HT. I know because I've been there. I originally had, and still have some some of the best hardware you can buy. However the room had issues. Fairly simple issues to fix, none of the issues were real obvious to me. I thought I had done a great job, and all was well in the world. Then the day came when I needed a tweeter replaced on a Diamond series speaker that was damaged by a painter. Since he was paying for it, and handling fragile diamond tweeters is not for the faint at heart I brought in a B&W dealer to do the job.

He replaced my tweeter, and then we listened to my system. It sounded really good I thought, he did too. But he pointed out issues like sound bouncing off walls, bass that was not as tight as it could be. Furniture that slightly blocked the sound from one of my mains speakers, preventing a 100% clear path to the sweet spot of the room. Keep in mind the edge of the L shaped sofa was about 4' ft away from the speaker, but it did barely block an open path to the sweet spot. A recessed doorway causing sound to reflect negatively. I knew he was right, because he had nothing to gain but trust from me. He did not try to sell anything...I already had the hardware. It was an eye opening experience!

He also asked me how the 6 remotes I was using was working out? I won't elaborate on that at this time.

The bottom line is...you would not drive a hire performance car with crappy tires and you should not expect the best from any system regardless of price point if the rooms not right. I understand many rooms have flaws that might not be easy to fix, or fixable at all. The point is fix whatever you can within reason and see how your current set up sounds? There's plenty of reasons that justify leaving the room as is, specially if you don't own the property. Yet simple things like sound treatments that hang on a wall are not expensive and just as easy to install as hanging a painting.

I'm not trying to go on a rant...simply trying to push members of the forum to look outside hardware upgrades and capture incredible upgrades for minimal dollars.

See Ya,
Steve

Quote:
Originally Posted by jszei View Post

I have a pair of 804s and an HTM4 center. I'm looking to add a pair of rears for 7.1. My current sides are Polks and am strongly considering changing those out for DS3s. First consideration is the rear however.
Can anyone recommend a pair of rears?

Thanks
post #15255 of 17962
Quote:
Originally Posted by ClasseAddict View Post

I agree with suggestions for sides and rear surrounds. 804's, 805's are both outstanding speakers. I also agree center channel speaker upgrades are a lot more important than surrounds or effects upgrades if you already have those speakers in the system.

I do want to mention in-walls are a great option if space or appearance is an issue. If done properly with back boxes in-walls sound just as good as similar free standing speakers in the B&W line up. In particular rear surrounds on stands can be a challenge, as well as space too. In my opinion B&W has the best overall line-up of speaker choices of Any Manufacturer. Free standing, on stands, ceiling or in-wall they got you covered. Better yet in virtually any scenario the have centers, surrounds, and effects speakers that line up properly to the mains. The difficult part is choosing how much to spend and not getting divorced in the process.

I'm thankful I bought my wife a new and greatly improved wedding ring for our 25th anniversary before I got my system upgrades! I think this hobby can certainly create some division in harmony with the spouse. I'm glad I'm done with the upgrades for the foreseeable future. Even my projector is 4K ready...the only thing I have to worry about is 4K source and content and that is still a few years away before enough content makes it worth considering.

The great news is quality speakers never become obsolete. You can always buy better ones, but good speakers will always sound good!

I will say again...do yourself a favor and have a professional assess your room. Rarely does this get done, yet room upgrades such as bass traps, wall treatments, etc. provide more bang for the buck than most system upgrades. Room issues are the biggest limiting factor in any system, 2 channel or HT. I know because I've been there. I originally had, and still have some some of the best hardware you can buy. However the room had issues. Fairly simple issues to fix, none of the issues were real obvious to me. I thought I had done a great job, and all was well in the world. Then the day came when I needed a tweeter replaced on a Diamond series speaker that was damaged by a painter. Since he was paying for it, and handling fragile diamond tweeters is not for the faint at heart I brought in a B&W dealer to do the job.

He replaced my tweeter, and then we listened to my system. It sounded really good I thought, he did too. But he pointed out issues like sound bouncing off walls, bass that was not as tight as it could be. Furniture that slightly blocked the sound from one of my mains speakers, preventing a 100% clear path to the sweet spot of the room. Keep in mind the edge of the L shaped sofa was about 4' ft away from the speaker, but it did barely block an open path to the sweet spot. A recessed doorway causing sound to reflect negatively. I knew he was right, because he had nothing to gain but trust from me. He did not try to sell anything...I already had the hardware. It was an eye opening experience!

He also asked me how the 6 remotes I was using was working out? I won't elaborate on that at this time.

The bottom line is...you would not drive a hire performance car with crappy tires and you should not expect the best from any system regardless of price point if the rooms not right. I understand many rooms have flaws that might not be easy to fix, or fixable at all. The point is fix whatever you can within reason and see how your current set up sounds? There's plenty of reasons that justify leaving the room as is, specially if you don't own the property. Yet simple things like sound treatments that hang on a wall are not expensive and just as easy to install as hanging a painting.

I'm not trying to go on a rant...simply trying to push members of the forum to look outside hardware upgrades and capture incredible upgrades for minimal dollars.

See Ya,
Steve


Yes I could not agree more the room is 50% of the sound smile.gif
post #15256 of 17962

I want too!!!! biggrin.gif

I haven't seen them for sale yet - anyone know when these will be available? I love my P5's, but want an over the ear set by B&W!!
post #15257 of 17962
Anyone have any input on the CM10s?
post #15258 of 17962
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Originally Posted by ChonRM View Post

Anyone have any input on the CM10s?

I posted my thoughts on them here:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/755048/b-w-owners-thread/15180#post_23812327
post #15259 of 17962
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChonRM View Post

Anyone have any input on the CM10s?

They may be very similar to the CM9.

"The CM9’s listening-window response (a five-point average of axial and +/–15-degree horizontal and vertical responses) measures +0.83/–5.12 decibels from 200 hertz to 10 kilohertz. The –3-dB point is at 60 Hz, and the –6-dB point is at 49 Hz. Impedance reaches a minimum of 3.41 ohms at 116 Hz and a phase angle of –68.80 degrees at 66 Hz." Home Theater Magazine

I have not seen any measurements of the CM10 yet.

But I know the 800D2s measure almost identical to the 800D1s. So I assume the CM10 will measure like the CM9.

As far as how they subjectively sound, some people like them and some people don't, which can be said with all speakers. biggrin.gif

The problem with comparing speakers (like CM9 vs. CM10) is that it is almost always done by pure memory from different time, place, and setup, and almost never accurately level-matched or blinded, so bias is present. The auditioning materials may not even be identical. A lot of times we may walk into a store unplanned and just casually listen to the speakers with whatever songs they have.
Edited by AcuDefTechGuy - 10/21/13 at 10:59am
post #15260 of 17962
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Schulze View Post

I want too!!!! biggrin.gif

I haven't seen them for sale yet - anyone know when these will be available? I love my P5's, but want an over the ear set by B&W!!

They're available. We got them a week or two ago.

B.
post #15261 of 17962
Is anyone or has anyone plugged the bottom bass port on the 802, 801, or 800 speakers? What are your thoughts?

Thank you,
Bill
post #15262 of 17962
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Originally Posted by baranowski View Post

Is anyone or has anyone plugged the bottom bass port on the 802, 801, or 800 speakers? What are your thoughts?

Thank you,
Bill

The bottom-facing ports (and overall design according to B&W) are not designed to plug...i tried once but found it difficult to get a solid plug (and had some fear the plug could push all the way into the speaker....)
post #15263 of 17962
Did these speakers ever get made? Or are they just a photoshop job....

post #15264 of 17962
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Originally Posted by djnickuk View Post

Did these speakers ever get made? Or are they just a photoshop job....

Nope.  The real 805D is a 2-way.

post #15265 of 17962
Oh, I know I own 3 pairs. Just wondered if these versions were real.
post #15266 of 17962
Got a question for the B&W gurus around here. I just picked up a pair of 602 S3s for $250 and they are in great condition. I now need a center channel speaker to go with them. B&W recommends the LCR60 but it seems small for the 7" woofer in the 602s and I have seen some other people say they prefer the LCR600. Now for quandary, I am having the hardest time finding the LCR600 for sale let alone at a reasonable price but on the other hand I can find the HTM61 and the 62, the 61 being the replacement for the LCR600 (i am pretty sure). Is there a noticeable difference between the HTM61 and the LCR600? Would I be able to tell once it is all setup in my theater? Lastly, is there another B&W center out there that will mate well with these that I haven't mentioned?

Thanks all

EDIT: I just noticed that the frequency response ratings on the HTM61 match the 602 S3s better than the LCR600, does that matter?
post #15267 of 17962
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Originally Posted by UnitedAV View Post

Now for quandary, I am having the hardest time finding the LCR600 for sale let alone at a reasonable price but on the other hand I can find the HTM61 and the 62, the 61 being the replacement for the LCR600 (i am pretty sure).

Thanks all
 

Hey there - I am curious,  what price do you consider unreasonable for the LCR600 s3?  I luckily found one for sale locally and am kind of curious what a 'high' price is, and what a 'good deal' would be so I can make a reasonable offer to the seller.

 

Basically just curious what prices you have been seeing.

post #15268 of 17962

All --

 

Tried to do a search as I'm sure it's been answered, but haven't had a ton of luck. Have a 20x20 room, hardwood floors, 12 ft ceilings. Planning to do a 4.1 system w/phantom center, using CWM652 flush mounts for rear. In front, looking at three choices:

1) 685's

2) CM1

3) CM5

 

Just curious to get thoughts. Will a CM1 fill the space? Is the CM5 really $900 better than the 685?

 

Thanks

Matt

post #15269 of 17962
Big room. Consider 683s or do they have to be stand mounts?
post #15270 of 17962

Have to be stand mounts. Not ideal but will be on built in bookshelves. It's either that or nothing at all, according to my wife!

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