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Hi guys, I have 2 DM 302's that i bought 15 years ago. Still sound good but now I've got a bigger living room to fill. I may consider making them my rears or putting them upstairs in the bedroom. What would you guys recommend for front speakers somewhere in the 350-500 dollar each range?
post #15362 of 17915
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Originally Posted by calidoc75 View Post

Hi guys, I have 2 DM 302's that i bought 15 years ago. Still sound good but now I've got a bigger living room to fill. I may consider making them my rears or putting them upstairs in the bedroom. What would you guys recommend for front speakers somewhere in the 350-500 dollar each range?

The best you can currently get in the B&W line in that price range is the 686.

B.
post #15363 of 17915
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Originally Posted by SecondSound View Post

Hello all,


Sonos:Connect through a separate stereo Amp is another option, if anyone has a recommendation for a good fit to these speakers.


Thanks!

Sorry to sound like a snob, but I couldn't imagine using either the PM1 and especially the 805 without a separate amp vs. the connect:amp. My inclination would be one with a digital input that you could run the Connect into. Lots of choices.

B.
post #15364 of 17915
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Originally Posted by calidoc75 View Post

Hi guys, I have 2 DM 302's that i bought 15 years ago. Still sound good but now I've got a bigger living room to fill. I may consider making them my rears or putting them upstairs in the bedroom. What would you guys recommend for front speakers somewhere in the 350-500 dollar each range?
post #15365 of 17915
At that price range 685 bookshelves or 684 towers they 549 dollars each and 685 bookshelves cost 325 each.
post #15366 of 17915
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Originally Posted by baranowski View PostWse... You could Just send those 802 to Florida I can put them to use with my other 802's in my theater. He hmm mm maybe use one for my center channel.

Sure thing will do :)

post #15367 of 17915
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Originally Posted by Brian B View Post

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Originally Posted by calidoc75 View Post

Hi guys, I have 2 DM 302's that i bought 15 years ago. Still sound good but now I've got a bigger living room to fill. I may consider making them my rears or putting them upstairs in the bedroom. What would you guys recommend for front speakers somewhere in the 350-500 dollar each range?

The best you can currently get in the B&W line in that price range is the 686.

B.

I wouldn't consider B&W in your price range. B&W has some nice offerings, but only if you can spend few thousands.
post #15368 of 17915
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

Gracias, sounds good but I would rather have a Sonus Faber Room biggrin.gif. I listen to a lot of string instruments and I find that Sonus Faber rules when it comes to guitars, violin, cello and bass! wink.gif

Sure. That was just an example. It could be any brand like Sonus Faber. Diversify. biggrin.gif
post #15369 of 17915
Sitting and listening to Scaena loudspeakers driven by audio research 80w tube amps with SCS transports. Wish you all could be here especially you WSE.
post #15370 of 17915
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

Sure. That was just an example. It could be any brand like Sonus Faber. Diversify. biggrin.gif

I know I would love to have multiple rooms with different set- up

- Sonus Faber
- Dynaudio
- Focal Utopia
- Tannoy
- KEF Blade.....

One day if I win the lottery smile.gif
post #15371 of 17915
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

I know I would love to have multiple rooms with different set- up

- Sonus Faber
- Dynaudio
- Focal Utopia
- Tannoy
- KEF Blade.....

One day if I win the lottery smile.gif
Fantastic list, 800s are a given in this case.

If I won the lottery I would like a Magico Q7 room, just not upstairs.
post #15372 of 17915
Just ordered my new set of CM10s tonight, they should be here next week! Super excited!
post #15373 of 17915
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Originally Posted by ChonRM View Post

Just ordered my new set of CM10s tonight, they should be here next week! Super excited!

Congratulations. Let us know what you think once you get them hooked up. From my brief listen I think you'll be very pleased. Great speakers!
post #15374 of 17915
Congratulations! I listened to a pair today and they sounded great! I was ready to buy, but when I asked the dealer if he would give me a discount off of the MSRP, he would not. He said that B&W will not allow them to sell below MSRP.mad.gif
post #15375 of 17915
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Originally Posted by Jim Golden View Post

Congratulations! I listened to a pair today and they sounded great! I was ready to buy, but when I asked the dealer if he would give me a discount off of the MSRP, he would not. He said that B&W will not allow them to sell below MSRP.mad.gif
That's ridiculous! And it's a total lie that they aren't allowed to reduce the price. But I have to say, I experienced the same one time. For the past 3 months I have been shopping on and off again for the 10s. I went into several named chain electronics stores to negotiate. Every time they offered 4-500 off MSRP (after coaxing of course). But one time, a sales associate of one store wouldn't budge 10 cents. He said the same thing you did about BW policy. Eventually, at a different location, when buying the cm 5's plus some other ht hardware like the Harmony Ultimate here in NYC, I was able to get the 10s for 22 percent off. They are now waiting for me in VA when I move later this month. So persistence is the key. NEVER buy without a reduction from MSRP. Good luck! PM me if you want to know details about my haggling process.
post #15376 of 17915
I must say I was surprised they would not (at least) waive the tax. I told him I could go to Best Buy and get 5% back via their rewards program!

Outside of this forum, I can't believe there are that many people looking to purchase a $4k pair of speakers...I was the only customer in the store! I've got one other place (within a reasonable distance) I'm going to try.
post #15377 of 17915
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Originally Posted by Jim Golden View Post

Congratulations! I listened to a pair today and they sounded great! I was ready to buy, but when I asked the dealer if he would give me a discount off of the MSRP, he would not. He said that B&W will not allow them to sell below MSRP.mad.gif

I know of at least one authorized dealer that does not mark down B&Ws... So it may or may not be true.
post #15378 of 17915
I've heard the exact same thing at a Paradigm / Anthem dealer. They have to charge MSRP, no discount. They didn't even seem to care if I placed an order or not. It was something that happened only about once per month --someone coming in and asking about those brands. There were no products for demo. It was walk in a store to use a mail order catalog. I am amazed the manufacture is still in business as they are obviously not the dealers bread & butter.
Edited by Tank_PD - 11/15/13 at 7:54pm
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Originally Posted by Jim Golden View Post

Congratulations! I listened to a pair today and they sounded great! I was ready to buy, but when I asked the dealer if he would give me a discount off of the MSRP, he would not. He said that B&W will not allow them to sell below MSRP.mad.gif

He's not the only dealer in the USA. There are others more willing to earn your business. wink.gif

Look elsewhere.
post #15380 of 17915
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

He's not the only dealer in the USA. There are others more willing to earn your business. wink.gif

Look elsewhere.

Yes, well said.
post #15381 of 17915
Had a fun day on Thursday – a friend was looking for speakers so we went to the dealer and had us a nice listening session. We heard Revel, Sonus Faber and B&W.

We started out with the Revel F206 – I had high expectations because of all the great things I heard/read about how great the F208 was. Long story short we did not think the speaker delivered – it felt muffled and muddy. In a nutshell my friend said – “I guess I could be happy with these”. Not exactly the audiophile nirvana .

We then moved over to the Venere 3.0 and the first impression was: did you switch the cables from the Revel to the Sonus Faber? To our ears the Venere 3.0 and the F206 sounded very similar. After we went back and forth a couple of times you could pick up differences and to my ears the Venere sounded better.

We then brought in the CM10. I am apparently a B&W guy because I immediately said to myself – oooh this is way better. That said, I didn’t love the bass on the CM10. It was relatively boomy. But overall to both of our ears a nicer better sounding speaker than the previous two. If I wanted to, I could definitely nit pick things on this speaker but we were getting closer to making a decision on what to buy.

Next we listened to the F208 and that speaker felt like it was in another league – we liked it a lot. It was sooo much better to us than the F206 that I could easily recommend it over it for the price difference. We actually came to buy the F208 so this audition was going pretty well… except that after serious consideration, the F208 seemed to be physically larger than what my friend wanted in her house.

So we went back to the CM10 to be sure that is what she wanted. And while we were doing that we figured we’d throw in the 804 diamonds just for kicks. As soon as we heard it we both knew which speakers she was taking home. The 804 is such a great speaker. It not only sounds great but it sound completely balanced.

So this whole story leads me to a question: My friend wants to buy a receiver. No more than $3k. Preferably a surround sound receiver because she is thinking about getting a center channel in the future (but if there is a compelling reason to do a 2.0 receiver then let me know). Dealer suggested NAD or Rotel. I am thinking add Marantz and Onkyo/Integra to the mix. What do you guys think? I suppose if you can think of a pre-amp / amp combo in this price range please do say.
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In choosing a sub, should I go for SVS SB-1000 (300W) or B&W 610 (200W)? Both are in the same price category with SVS being slightly cheaper.

post #15383 of 17915
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Originally Posted by BVLDARI View Post

Had a fun day on Thursday – a friend was looking for speakers so we went to the dealer and had us a nice listening session. We heard Revel, Sonus Faber and B&W.

We started out with the Revel F206 – I had high expectations because of all the great things I heard/read about how great the F208 was. Long story short we did not think the speaker delivered – it felt muffled and muddy. In a nutshell my friend said – “I guess I could be happy with these”. Not exactly the audiophile nirvana .

We then moved over to the Venere 3.0 and the first impression was: did you switch the cables from the Revel to the Sonus Faber? To our ears the Venere 3.0 and the F206 sounded very similar. After we went back and forth a couple of times you could pick up differences and to my ears the Venere sounded better.

We then brought in the CM10. I am apparently a B&W guy because I immediately said to myself – oooh this is way better. That said, I didn’t love the bass on the CM10. It was relatively boomy. But overall to both of our ears a nicer better sounding speaker than the previous two. If I wanted to, I could definitely nit pick things on this speaker but we were getting closer to making a decision on what to buy.

Next we listened to the F208 and that speaker felt like it was in another league – we liked it a lot. It was sooo much better to us than the F206 that I could easily recommend it over it for the price difference. We actually came to buy the F208 so this audition was going pretty well… except that after serious consideration, the F208 seemed to be physically larger than what my friend wanted in her house.

So we went back to the CM10 to be sure that is what she wanted. And while we were doing that we figured we’d throw in the 804 diamonds just for kicks. As soon as we heard it we both knew which speakers she was taking home. The 804 is such a great speaker. It not only sounds great but it sound completely balanced.

So this whole story leads me to a question: My friend wants to buy a receiver. No more than $3k. Preferably a surround sound receiver because she is thinking about getting a center channel in the future (but if there is a compelling reason to do a 2.0 receiver then let me know). Dealer suggested NAD or Rotel. I am thinking add Marantz and Onkyo/Integra to the mix. What do you guys think? I suppose if you can think of a pre-amp / amp combo in this price range please do say.

If you are looking Marantz then you could do separates for $3K...Av7701 and MM7055. The Rotel RSX1562 is a good sounding piece and goes nicely with the B&W.

B.
post #15384 of 17915
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Originally Posted by BVLDARI View Post

Had a fun day on Thursday – a friend was looking for speakers so we went to the dealer and had us a nice listening session. We heard Revel, Sonus Faber and B&W.

We started out with the Revel F206 – I had high expectations because of all the great things I heard/read about how great the F208 was. Long story short we did not think the speaker delivered – it felt muffled and muddy. In a nutshell my friend said – “I guess I could be happy with these”. Not exactly the audiophile nirvana .

We then moved over to the Venere 3.0 and the first impression was: did you switch the cables from the Revel to the Sonus Faber? To our ears the Venere 3.0 and the F206 sounded very similar. After we went back and forth a couple of times you could pick up differences and to my ears the Venere sounded better.

We then brought in the CM10. I am apparently a B&W guy because I immediately said to myself – oooh this is way better. That said, I didn’t love the bass on the CM10. It was relatively boomy. But overall to both of our ears a nicer better sounding speaker than the previous two. If I wanted to, I could definitely nit pick things on this speaker but we were getting closer to making a decision on what to buy.

Next we listened to the F208 and that speaker felt like it was in another league – we liked it a lot. It was sooo much better to us than the F206 that I could easily recommend it over it for the price difference. We actually came to buy the F208 so this audition was going pretty well… except that after serious consideration, the F208 seemed to be physically larger than what my friend wanted in her house.

So we went back to the CM10 to be sure that is what she wanted. And while we were doing that we figured we’d throw in the 804 diamonds just for kicks. As soon as we heard it we both knew which speakers she was taking home. The 804 is such a great speaker. It not only sounds great but it sound completely balanced.

So this whole story leads me to a question: My friend wants to buy a receiver. No more than $3k. Preferably a surround sound receiver because she is thinking about getting a center channel in the future (but if there is a compelling reason to do a 2.0 receiver then let me know). Dealer suggested NAD or Rotel. I am thinking add Marantz and Onkyo/Integra to the mix. What do you guys think? I suppose if you can think of a pre-amp / amp combo in this price range please do say.

I went the NAD flagship T787. It's 4k but you can find it for less in plenty of places. Glad you had a fun day auditioning.
post #15385 of 17915
I saw your post on AA, but I'll respond here. I think Marantz and Denon are worth a look in that price range. I have a Marantz Reference integrated that does a good job with B&W. Before I switched speakers, I was driving 703s with it. It was much more to my liking than than the musical fidelity integrated that I had prior. So I would think a Marantz AVR or the separates mentioned earlier would be a good alternative.

I've since moved those 703s to home theater duty with a CMC2 and CM5s, all of which are driven with a Denon 4520. But I was just listening to music on that system the other day and thought it really sounded good. and with 9 built in 150 watt amps and pre outs, it should be a good starting point and offer some abilities to upgrade to separate amps later if desired.

Happy shopping!
post #15386 of 17915
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

He's not the only dealer in the USA. There are others more willing to earn your business. wink.gif

Look elsewhere.

Success! On the third try, I found a dealer that was willing to work with me. I will spare you the horror stories from some of the dealers I contacted.
post #15387 of 17915
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Originally Posted by chrisdemello View Post
 

In choosing a sub, should I go for SVS SB-1000 (300W) or B&W 610 (200W)? Both are in the same price category with SVS being slightly cheaper.

Anyone?

post #15388 of 17915
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Originally Posted by chrisdemello View Post

Anyone?

I would get the SVS SB-12 Sealed Subwoofer. It would most definitely out slam the B&W for Movies and still be tight and musical for other listening. I am a fan of high power, sealed subs over ported stuff. This is a broad based easy to disagree with generalization but in my experience, sealed is superior except for deep bass and very loud listening. Pony up a touch more currency for the nicer SVS and you will be happy.
post #15389 of 17915
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Originally Posted by SeattleHTGuy View Post


I would get the SVS SB-12 Sealed Subwoofer. It would most definitely out slam the B&W for Movies and still be tight and musical for other listening. I am a fan of high power, sealed subs over ported stuff. This is a broad based easy to disagree with generalization but in my experience, sealed is superior except for deep bass and very loud listening. Pony up a touch more currency for the nicer SVS and you will be happy.

 

Thanks! SB12 NSD it is. Not keen on bigger sub as I am living in an apartment. Won't be able to maximize its output anyway.

post #15390 of 17915
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Originally Posted by Jim Golden View Post

Success! On the third try, I found a dealer that was willing to work with me. I will spare you the horror stories from some of the dealers I contacted.

Building relations with dealers is always important, in the end they have to decide if and how they can make money of you over what time frame. We should not forget that we spend 'extra' money on these toys because none of us need $$ speakers but for them it might be part of paying their people end of the month.

The counter argument i guess is that some simple don't have very good people skills and misjudge people within seconds and loose a good start of a relationship and as a result loose thousands of dollars (or worse) in those seconds.

Daniel.
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