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post #15511 of 17784
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Originally Posted by bao01 View Post

For my 802D2 i bought 2 months ago, i didn't notice the little plastic circular, black plug with screw and circular white paper saying "remove before use" at very back of midrange Marlan head.
Do you think I damaged anything over last two months by playing loud with the plugs in?
I guess air pressure could build up inside the Marlan head and possibly damage the driver.
I have listened loud (-10) quite a few times. They still sound ok. I am not sure what difference these plastic plugs would make to the sound.
It bugs me that the 800/802 PDF user guide does not mention anything about removing the little black plugs.
But I should have gone over the speakers thoroughly before using them.

My dealer delivered and installed my 802D2, so I didn't know about that either. I should check when I get home. eek.gif

I doubt if it would damage the driver.
post #15512 of 17784
let me know if yours are still plugged
B&W should update the PDF
post #15513 of 17784
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Originally Posted by bao01 View Post

For my 802D2 i bought 2 months ago, i didn't notice the little plastic circular, black plug with screw and circular white paper saying "remove before use" at very back of midrange Marlan head.
Do you think I damaged anything over last two months by playing loud with the plugs in?
I guess air pressure could build up inside the Marlan head and possibly damage the driver.
I have listened loud (-10) quite a few times. They still sound ok. I am not sure what difference these plastic plugs would make to the sound.
It bugs me that the 800/802 PDF user guide does not mention anything about removing the little black plugs.
But I should have gone over the speakers thoroughly before using them.

They use that for extra securing the driver for transprting so I doubt anything would be damaged, maybe the speaker didn't sound as good?
post #15514 of 17784
I will listen now and let you know.They sounded awesome with plugs in but i had much lesser speakers before and i'm not a pro reviewer and i have hardly heard any other nice speakers (ok - i haven't heard any other expensive speakers) so of course even plugged they would sound good to my layman's ear.

I am not sure what it is securing? I thought maybe they don't want cockroaches etc getting in there on the ship at sea.
post #15515 of 17784
Hi all

New poster here, trying to get some help for my HT system.

Probably like many others, my HT system has evolved over time, often with choices that i regretted in hindsight. My centre channel is one of those.

I've got b&w 601 s3 as my mains, sitting on wide open cabinets on either side of my Tv (Samsung 42" LED). The TV is wall mounted, with the centre channel, for practical and WAF reasons, recessed into the wall. Don't shoot me, but the centre is a Jamo 515k4. It's all being driven by a marantz 1602. No sub.

The problem is that the dialogue is TERRIBLE when watching TV and movies. It's muddy and unclear, and disproportionately quiet compared to the sound from the mains. I find myself dialing up the volume in dialogue scenes, then frantically dropping it down in action scenes.

I believe the problem is the centre channel is underpowered and doesn't match the sound of the mains. The centre has two 4" cones.

I'm after advice on whether my assessment is right, and what to replace the centre channel with. It has to be wall mounted. I've been looking at b&w cwm 7.4 and 7.5 - the 7.3 would be great, but it's too wide to fit within the existing wall studs. Also looking at the cwm 8.5 - this might be a good match as it has the Kevlar domes that match the 601s.

Happy to look at alternatives and grateful for any advice.

Tablesaw
post #15516 of 17784
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Originally Posted by bao01 View Post

I will listen now and let you know.They sounded awesome with plugs in but i had much lesser speakers before and i'm not a pro reviewer and i have hardly heard any other nice speakers (ok - i haven't heard any other expensive speakers) so of course even plugged they would sound good to my layman's ear.

I am not sure what it is securing? I thought maybe they don't want cockroaches etc getting in there on the ship at sea.

Well they are used to keep tension bold in place and also act as air and heat exhaust same as with the tweeter. Maybe just me but as part of the installing process they should have checked every inch of the speaker for possible problems and i don't see how they could have missed this. imho bad workmanship.

I guess you can mail b&w and ask them but don't think there will be damage. As you can see it holds a bar coming from the driver to the back that holds the tenstion plug. The screw/paper they didn't remove holds that in place but also stops most of the air i guess.



Daniel.

PS: this is the old model, could not find one for the new one we have.
post #15517 of 17784
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Originally Posted by Tablesaw View Post

Hi all

New poster here, trying to get some help for my HT system.

Probably like many others, my HT system has evolved over time, often with choices that i regretted in hindsight. My centre channel is one of those.

I've got b&w 601 s3 as my mains, sitting on wide open cabinets on either side of my Tv (Samsung 42" LED). The TV is wall mounted, with the centre channel, for practical and WAF reasons, recessed into the wall. Don't shoot me, but the centre is a Jamo 515k4. It's all being driven by a marantz 1602. No sub.

The problem is that the dialogue is TERRIBLE when watching TV and movies. It's muddy and unclear, and disproportionately quiet compared to the sound from the mains. I find myself dialing up the volume in dialogue scenes, then frantically dropping it down in action scenes.

I believe the problem is the centre channel is underpowered and doesn't match the sound of the mains. The centre has two 4" cones.

I'm after advice on whether my assessment is right, and what to replace the centre channel with. It has to be wall mounted. I've been looking at b&w cwm 7.4 and 7.5 - the 7.3 would be great, but it's too wide to fit within the existing wall studs. Also looking at the cwm 8.5 - this might be a good match as it has the Kevlar domes that match the 601s.

Happy to look at alternatives and grateful for any advice.

Tablesaw

You have 3 issues
Poor placement, poor centre and poor power from the Marantz.
You may want to try a Phantom centre first, as a wall mounted centre isn't ideal, as these speakers aren't really meant to be wall mounted.
If you do get one, consider if you will stay with B&W, and get a matching centre to a series that you will get.
After that I will look into replacing that 1602 with something more meaty and adjust the centre speaker position.
post #15518 of 17784
It's not clear to me what speakers are being referred to by "d2".

I have the following Diamond series speakers, all purchased within the last year: 804 Diamond, 805 Diamond, and HTM4 Diamond.

What do you guys mean when you speak of "d2" speakers?
post #15519 of 17784
There are two generations of the Diamond series, so sometimes as a short form, D2 is used.
Bear in mind that in the case of the HTM 4, 805 and 804 only have one Diamond version.
post #15520 of 17784
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Originally Posted by BillJulyan View Post

It's not clear to me what speakers are being referred to by "d2".

I have the following Diamond series speakers, all purchased within the last year: 804 Diamond, 805 Diamond, and HTM4 Diamond.

What do you guys mean when you speak of "d2" speakers?

Then your speakers are the 804D2, 805D2, and HTM4D2. biggrin.gif

D1 = first generation Diamond
D2= second generation Diamond

Few years from now, D3 = third generation Diamond.

If you look at the B&W parts price list, you will see them label "800D, 800D2, 802D, 802D2".

They are all "Diamond" tweeters. The only difference is the generation.

That's why I always say "800D1" or "800D2" so that people won't ask, "Did you mean first generation diamond or second generation diamond?"
post #15521 of 17784
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Originally Posted by danielo View Post

Well they are used to keep tension bold in place and also act as air and heat exhaust same as with the tweeter. Maybe just me but as part of the installing process they should have checked every inch of the speaker for possible problems and i don't see how they could have missed this. imho bad workmanship.

I guess you can mail b&w and ask them but don't think there will be damage. As you can see it holds a bar coming from the driver to the back that holds the tenstion plug. The screw/paper they didn't remove holds that in place but also stops most of the air i guess.



Daniel.

PS: this is the old model, could not find one for the new one we have.

Wow! You really know your stuff. Thanks!

I unpacked and installed the speakers myself so that was my first mistake.
But in my defense i read the PDF very carefully before firing them up and it says NOTHING about the silly plugs.
Hopefully i have not damaged anything. I will email my dealer store and ask them to email B&W.
My thought is that if subs can be enclosed and possibly other speakers then maybe it is hard to damage the driver inside an "enclosed" Marlan head.
But I still feel stupid - I didn't bother to read the little round white paper for two months.

thanks again
post #15522 of 17784
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Originally Posted by Tablesaw View Post

Hi all

New poster here, trying to get some help for my HT system.

Probably like many others, my HT system has evolved over time, often with choices that i regretted in hindsight. My centre channel is one of those.

I've got b&w 601 s3 as my mains, sitting on wide open cabinets on either side of my Tv (Samsung 42" LED). The TV is wall mounted, with the centre channel, for practical and WAF reasons, recessed into the wall. Don't shoot me, but the centre is a Jamo 515k4. It's all being driven by a marantz 1602. No sub.

The problem is that the dialogue is TERRIBLE when watching TV and movies. It's muddy and unclear, and disproportionately quiet compared to the sound from the mains. I find myself dialing up the volume in dialogue scenes, then frantically dropping it down in action scenes.

I believe the problem is the centre channel is underpowered and doesn't match the sound of the mains. The centre has two 4" cones.

I'm after advice on whether my assessment is right, and what to replace the centre channel with. It has to be wall mounted. I've been looking at b&w cwm 7.4 and 7.5 - the 7.3 would be great, but it's too wide to fit within the existing wall studs. Also looking at the cwm 8.5 - this might be a good match as it has the Kevlar domes that match the 601s.

Happy to look at alternatives and grateful for any advice.

Tablesaw

Without trying to sound like an a$$, I'm not sure I'm following your reasoning. You have L/R speakers that are $225 a piece and you are looking at getting an $800, $1400 and $1500 center speaker?

If you want to get a matching center speaker for what you have now (in-wall) then it would be a CWM663 at $375 each. That should match. If you want to get something better, then, by all means go for it! But, the 7.3 would definitely necessitate a L/R upgrade and the 8.5 requires a backbox installation. If you are planning CM/800 series L/R in the future then these would make sense, otherwise it seems you are overspending for the center.

As the other poster mentioned, a higher-end model receiver might have some more advanced room-correction that perhaps would improve the match between your L/R and center speakers. At this point in time this might be a better use of your funds.

Good luck,
B.
post #15523 of 17784

Any one owns the M1 second generation what do you think are they any good?  The first ones sounded like crap!

post #15524 of 17784
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Originally Posted by danielo View Post

Not many have tested i would bet but i would assume best to compare 803d vs 803d2 since they are probably closest. I would say a more balanced mid and more active highs. For the 3 front speakers (i use 802d2) the directness in mid and high works very well for movies. At times you get shocked how good real world sounds (not found in music) are presented, the 'bad' news is that on action movies that are mixed to be brash on lesser setups that means well it can be brash/hard and can scare the hell out of you at levels that are maybe not wanted. The last point can be resolved with using something like Dynamic Volume on these movies that just push it too far.

Daniel.

Just purchased the HTM2D2 from a very responsive seller on audiogon. Shipping tomorrow to arrive by Friday. When it arrives I will likely have to modify the stand holding my Kuro to increase the rack height to 14 inches just to be safe to give this new killer some room to breath. Will let you know how this new center channel speaker integrates with my 803D's on some multichannel DSD files from 2L.
post #15525 of 17784
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Originally Posted by wadeh911 View Post


Just purchased the HTM2D2 from a very responsive seller on audiogon. Shipping tomorrow to arrive by Friday. When it arrives I will likely have to modify the stand holding my Kuro to increase the rack height to 14 inches just to be safe to give this new killer some room to breath. Will let you know how this new center channel speaker integrates with my 803D's on some multichannel DSD files from 2L.

Congratulations! I was eyeing for the same unit at audiogon. Do let us know how it goes. :)

post #15526 of 17784

Alright folks, a small update in sourcing for a console to fit my Marantz SR7008. I am eyeing at the following Ainsworth series from Crate and Barrel. Where would be a good location to place the 804s? Is it next to the console or after the bookshelves? In other words:

 

bookshelf --- 804 --- console --- 804 --- bookshelf --- sub

 

or

 

804 --- bookshelf --- console --- bookshelf --- 804 --- sub

 

Here's what it looks like

post #15527 of 17784
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

Any one owns the M1 second generation what do you think are they any good?  The first ones sounded like crap!
The second generation are much better,I use them for surround backs.
post #15528 of 17784
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Originally Posted by chrisdemello View Post

Alright folks, a small update in sourcing for a console to fit my Marantz SR7008. I am eyeing at the following Ainsworth series from Crate and Barrel. Where would be a good location to place the 804s? Is it next to the console or after the bookshelves? In other words:

bookshelf --- 804 --- console --- 804 --- bookshelf --- sub

or

804 --- bookshelf --- console --- bookshelf --- 804 --- sub

Here's what it looks like

What about the center channel or you just doing 2ch.
post #15529 of 17784
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Originally Posted by Chise View Post


What about the center channel or you just doing 2ch.

Center will be in the middle-top part of the console. Ainsworth @ C&B is probably the only console that's solid wood with adjustable racks and good ventilation. Not as breezy as a BDI perhaps but at least you are getting solid walnut rather than compressed wood.

post #15530 of 17784
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Originally Posted by chrisdemello View Post

Center will be in the middle-top part of the console. Ainsworth @ C&B is probably the only console that's solid wood with adjustable racks and good ventilation. Not as breezy as a BDI perhaps but at least you are getting solid walnut rather than compressed wood.
Well as long it fit inside there, that all it matter and how big is that room? that's if you have done already.
post #15531 of 17784
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Originally Posted by chrisdemello View Post

Alright folks, a small update in sourcing for a console to fit my Marantz SR7008. I am eyeing at the following Ainsworth series from Crate and Barrel. Where would be a good location to place the 804s? Is it next to the console or after the bookshelves? In other words:

bookshelf --- 804 --- console --- 804 --- bookshelf --- sub

or

804 --- bookshelf --- console --- bookshelf --- 804 --- sub

Here's what it looks like


How far back is your main listening position? Putting the 804's between the bookshelves and center console gives the appearance they'd only be about 6 feet apart - unless you're sitting really close, that would likely be too close together.

It's not an ironclad rule, but a good starting point is to create a triangle - the left and right speakers being the same distance to the mlp as they are from each other.
post #15532 of 17784
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Originally Posted by bao01 View Post

Wow! You really know your stuff. Thanks!

I unpacked and installed the speakers myself so that was my first mistake.
But in my defense i read the PDF very carefully before firing them up and it says NOTHING about the silly plugs.
Hopefully i have not damaged anything. I will email my dealer store and ask them to email B&W.
My thought is that if subs can be enclosed and possibly other speakers then maybe it is hard to damage the driver inside an "enclosed" Marlan head.
But I still feel stupid - I didn't bother to read the little round white paper for two months.

thanks again

Sorry didn't mean anything by it, just if dealers helped i was kinda shocked they missed it. Since the plug and writing was very clear to me and if i remember correctly it was also in the unpacking instructions on the box. Probably no harm done but if you want to be 100% sure ask b&w the only issue i can think of is possibly less heat removing from the blocking of the paper.

I am not a real expert but as a engineer by trade have the habit to research how things are build/work before i spend 20k on something its just a thing we engineers do/like i guess smile.gif

Daniel.
post #15533 of 17784
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Originally Posted by wadeh911 View Post

Just purchased the HTM2D2 from a very responsive seller on audiogon. Shipping tomorrow to arrive by Friday. When it arrives I will likely have to modify the stand holding my Kuro to increase the rack height to 14 inches just to be safe to give this new killer some room to breath. Will let you know how this new center channel speaker integrates with my 803D's on some multichannel DSD files from 2L.

Congrats i am sure you will be impressed by the HTM2D2 its a good center and big. Its not a HTM1D but still not a small center by any means smile.gif. On the stand i would indeed fiddle a little i use the official one but even then had to change it to make the angle work best.

Daniel.
post #15534 of 17784
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Originally Posted by Chise View Post


Well as long it fit inside there, that all it matter and how big is that room? that's if you have done already.

My living and dining area are combined in 19 x 12ft. One corner is the dining area and the other is the above. The sofa sits in the middle which is why I opted for in-ceiling speakers as i dont have space for rear floorstanders although I am very tempted to get the 805s.

post #15535 of 17784
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Originally Posted by thrang View Post


How far back is your main listening position? Putting the 804's between the bookshelves and center console gives the appearance they'd only be about 6 feet apart - unless you're sitting really close, that would likely be too close together.

It's not an ironclad rule, but a good starting point is to create a triangle - the left and right speakers being the same distance to the mlp as they are from each other.

I'd be seating in around 8-9ft from the TV. Perhaps much like another sample photo below. Even the room is quite similar and I have a balcony on the left side. The only difference is that the office table will be a console table at the back of the sofa where I can work while listening to music.

 

post #15536 of 17784
All,

Can you give me some feedback in regards to the HTM4 center? How is it? I sold off a lot of my gear as my dad is ill and trying to help but I am going crazy right now.

I sold my Dynaudio Confidence C1s and Confidence center and I was okay with this but I'm really not.

I moved my CM5 and CM center from bedroom and into theConfidence spot. You know CM5 are pretty good monitors but since this set-up was for my small bedroom I went with the smaller CM center. It is fine for bedroom but I am struggling with its boxy sound. Believe or not football is giving me the most grief. The announcers sound like they are ten feet from the mic.

I do enjoy the CM series but I have a feeling the CM2 will not satisfy me either. I would consider the CM10 and the CM2 as my goal was to downsize while I work things out with dad financially but I need a good center with mains I enjoy. It seems with the CM10 now that the series is missing a third and larger center.

This pushes me into Diamond. I very much enjoy the 805D. I would buy the HTM4 now and commit to 805d in a few months. I can go $3k now for a center and swith the mains out in four months.

So, HTM4 sound quality? I have not heard the CM2 but concerned due to my Current CM center.

I will also be looking at Martin Logan and Paradigm. I am enjoying my CM5s and a step to CM10 is doable but then stuck with CM2. Where is the CM3??

Or HTM4 with 805D ..

I want to decide and order this weekend and centers are sometimes difficult to audition but extremely important to me in my personal set-up.

Thanks-
Rick
post #15537 of 17784
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Originally Posted by chrisdemello View Post

Center will be in the middle-top part of the console. Ainsworth @ C&B is probably the only console that's solid wood with adjustable racks and good ventilation. Not as breezy as a BDI perhaps but at least you are getting solid walnut rather than compressed wood.

Have you heard of Standout Designs? I was also looking at BDI when I discovered them. BDI looked pretty expensive for the cheap panels.
post #15538 of 17784
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Originally Posted by chrisdemello View Post
 

OPTION A: bookshelf --- 804 --- console --- 804 --- bookshelf --- sub

 

or

 

OPTION B: 804 --- bookshelf --- console --- bookshelf --- 804 --- sub

Coming back to the above, is option A preferred? Assuming that the distance between you and the 3 front speakers is about the same?


Edited by chrisdemello - 12/3/13 at 6:31am
post #15539 of 17784
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Originally Posted by Tank_PD View Post


Have you heard of Standout Designs? I was also looking at BDI when I discovered them. BDI looked pretty expensive for the cheap panels.

Thanks for the recommendation. The designs and materials look really solid but unfortunately I am not based in the US so pretty much stuck in terms of options here.

post #15540 of 17784
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Originally Posted by Mr.SoftDome View Post

All,

Can you give me some feedback in regards to the HTM4 center? How is it? I sold off a lot of my gear as my dad is ill and trying to help but I am going crazy right now.

I sold my Dynaudio Confidence C1s and Confidence center and I was okay with this but I'm really not.

I moved my CM5 and CM center from bedroom and into theConfidence spot. You know CM5 are pretty good monitors but since this set-up was for my small bedroom I went with the smaller CM center. It is fine for bedroom but I am struggling with its boxy sound. Believe or not football is giving me the most grief. The announcers sound like they are ten feet from the mic.

I do enjoy the CM series but I have a feeling the CM2 will not satisfy me either. I would consider the CM10 and the CM2 as my goal was to downsize while I work things out with dad financially but I need a good center with mains I enjoy. It seems with the CM10 now that the series is missing a third and larger center.

This pushes me into Diamond. I very much enjoy the 805D. I would buy the HTM4 now and commit to 805d in a few months. I can go $3k now for a center and swith the mains out in four months.

So, HTM4 sound quality? I have not heard the CM2 but concerned due to my Current CM center.

I will also be looking at Martin Logan and Paradigm. I am enjoying my CM5s and a step to CM10 is doable but then stuck with CM2. Where is the CM3??

Or HTM4 with 805D ..

I want to decide and order this weekend and centers are sometimes difficult to audition but extremely important to me in my personal set-up.

Thanks-
Rick

If by CM2 you mean CMC2, I can tell you it is a much more capable center than the CMC center. Also the CM9's pair excellently with it and don't give up much performance wise vs. the CM10's. Especially if you are using a sub.
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