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post #15691 of 17856
Hi all,

Hoping someone can help me decide whether I should be happy with the tweeter protector that sits over my new CM Centre, or whether I should attempt to get rid of it. Is it standard? Does it effect the sound?

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post #15692 of 17856
With the 800 series looking to get an update in the next year or 2 (802d3) it would seem that my best bet would be to wait for the upgraded/new version if I decided to go with the 800 series route. When it comes to speakers and amplifiers I will only purchase new equipment from reputable dealers. So since I will not be able to afford an entire 800 series set up (+amplifiers) this year, waiting seems like a better option. I could also pair up the Parasound A51 with a full CM9/CMC2/CM5 setup and I'm sure that will sing as well. This is a bit more than I was originally looking to spend, but then I would have the amplification in place when/if I decided to go for the 802's.
post #15693 of 17856
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Originally Posted by Morfious View Post

With the 800 series looking to get an update in the next year or 2 (802d3) it would seem that my best bet would be to wait for the upgraded/new version if I decided to go with the 800 series route. When it comes to speakers and amplifiers I will only purchase new equipment from reputable dealers. So since I will not be able to afford an entire 800 series set up (+amplifiers) this year, waiting seems like a better option. I could also pair up the Parasound A51 with a full CM9/CMC2/CM5 setup and I'm sure that will sing as well. This is a bit more than I was originally looking to spend, but then I would have the amplification in place when/if I decided to go for the 802's.

We can't stop progress and while i now use 802D2's i also want to see how the D3's will perform when they arrive. The reason for me to pull the trigger on the 802D2's was the design i am a little worried with some of the design changes B&W made on speakers of late that i worry that they will change the look of the next version from what it is now. The 802D2 is not for everybody but i think its the best looking speaker (for me).

Daniel.
post #15694 of 17856
Happy Holidays everyone!
post #15695 of 17856
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Originally Posted by Morfious View Post

With the 800 series looking to get an update in the next year or 2 (802d3) it would seem that my best bet would be to wait for the upgraded/new version if I decided to go with the 800 series route.
Just remember that new models = substantial price increases. Another option is to wait until the new ones come out and work on a discount for the discontinued series.
post #15696 of 17856

Just an FYI -  I am going to be listing up a B&W LCR600 s3  in the classifieds later today for cheap.  If anyone is interested send me a message!

post #15697 of 17856
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Originally Posted by jima4a View Post

If you ultimately want 802s, my thought is go with the 805s. Others will need to chime in on the Center. Best to get what you want, intermediate steps cost much more.

I completely agree with the above statement. And I speak from experience!

When I was buying speakers for my main HT two years ago, I really wanted the 802D's. However, my budget would only allow me to purchase the 803D's as my main LR speakers. I've always regretted not waiting another six months and getting the 802D's because now I can only get 50-60% of the price of my 803D's if I try to sell them and upgrade to the 802D's. So I agree with the above poster that you should get the 805D's now and move them to the surrounds/rears when you have the $$ to get the 802D's that you are thinking about.

Also, get the HTMD2 if you can. It is a fantastic speaker and you'll need to pair it with the 802D's when you eventually get them!

Happy Christmas and New Year to everyone.

Cal68
post #15698 of 17856
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Originally Posted by Morfious View Post

With the 800 series looking to get an update in the next year or 2 (802d3) it would seem that my best bet would be to wait for the upgraded/new version if I decided to go with the 800 series route. When it comes to speakers and amplifiers I will only purchase new equipment from reputable dealers. So since I will not be able to afford an entire 800 series set up (+amplifiers) this year, waiting seems like a better option. I could also pair up the Parasound A51 with a full CM9/CMC2/CM5 setup and I'm sure that will sing as well. This is a bit more than I was originally looking to spend, but then I would have the amplification in place when/if I decided to go for the 802's.

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Originally Posted by danielo View Post

We can't stop progress and while i now use 802D2's i also want to see how the D3's will perform when they arrive. The reason for me to pull the trigger on the 802D2's was the design i am a little worried with some of the design changes B&W made on speakers of late that i worry that they will change the look of the next version from what it is now. The 802D2 is not for everybody but i think its the best looking speaker (for me).

Daniel.

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Originally Posted by Blindamood View Post

Just remember that new models = substantial price increases. Another option is to wait until the new ones come out and work on a discount for the discontinued series.

Good points from all. Amps for the most part have not had any significant break throughs in performance enhancements in a long time. There's been minimal sound improvements. some good energy savings break throughs, but most of it has been cabinet changes. So buying the amps you want first is a good move, and in my opinion the better move because you will have amps capable of driving any speaker you plan to own over the life of the amps. Speakers have had some break throughs that have made a difference, all of those break throughs came with price increases.

Who knows what B&W will changes with the D3 series of speakers. The overall appearance of their 800 series has not changed a lot since the Diamond series appeared. While possible...I can't imagine them straying too far from the core design. In regards to discounts for the old 800 Series. I'm sure there will a small amount of that, specially for dealer demos. However I would not count a large amount of that to happen. If it does...great, just don't count on it.

One other thing to consider...where the 800 Series speaker will be made. The 800 Series is the last speaker made in England by B&W. Everything else B&W plus all of Classe, and Rotel is mad win China. I don't have an issue with that, some of my Classe gear was made and China and works just done. However others will have a big issue with that. All I'm saying is don't bet that whatever new 800 Series B&W offers will always be made in England.

Merry Christmas!

Steve
post #15699 of 17856
I read this in the Stereophile review of the 804diamonds

"Compared with other speakers that have occupied this room, the 804 Diamond sounded like a nimbler version of the 800 Diamond ($24,000/pair), or a compact version of the Aerial Acoustics 7T ($9850/pair). In the first case, a comparison of the specs (and ignoring their differences in size and weight) revealed that the 800 and 804 Diamonds differ in only two performance parameters: low-frequency extension/THD and maximum power handling. So, granting the very real sonic differences at the low end of the audioband, I found that the 804 Diamonds produced a closer, more intimate sound in my 26' by 15' room, perhaps due to the effects of their narrower cabinets on midrange radiation and room interaction."


Do you guys agree with this? With a great sub do you think they sound the equal of the 800 diamond in a mid size room?
post #15700 of 17856
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Originally Posted by The Murderousone View Post

I read this in the Stereophile review of the 804diamonds

"Compared with other speakers that have occupied this room, the 804 Diamond sounded like a nimbler version of the 800 Diamond ($24,000/pair), or a compact version of the Aerial Acoustics 7T ($9850/pair). In the first case, a comparison of the specs (and ignoring their differences in size and weight) revealed that the 800 and 804 Diamonds differ in only two performance parameters: low-frequency extension/THD and maximum power handling. So, granting the very real sonic differences at the low end of the audioband, I found that the 804 Diamonds produced a closer, more intimate sound in my 26' by 15' room, perhaps due to the effects of their narrower cabinets on midrange radiation and room interaction."


Do you guys agree with this? With a great sub do you think they sound the equal of the 800 diamond in a mid size room?

No.
post #15701 of 17856
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Originally Posted by The Murderousone View Post

With a great sub do you think they sound the equal of the 800 diamond in a mid size room?

Equal, no.  Closer, smaller but similar.

post #15702 of 17856
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Originally Posted by Brian B View Post

No.

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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

Equal, no.  Closer, smaller but similar.

Ok so i take it the reviewer got a little to excited, thanks for your input...
post #15703 of 17856
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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

Equal, no.  Closer, smaller but similar.

So a silmilar sound just a much smaller sound stage?
post #15704 of 17856
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Originally Posted by The Murderousone View Post


Ok so i take it the reviewer got a little to excited, thanks for your input...

Was it not Kal who wrote the review? He doesn't seem to be the excitable type...hehe.

B.
post #15705 of 17856
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Originally Posted by Brian B View Post

Was it not Kal who wrote the review? He doesn't seem to be the excitable type...hehe.

B.


Yeah Kal wrote it.....he made some bold statements comparing the speakers with the 800's, so I that's why i wanted to ask......................
post #15706 of 17856

My new 804 will be reaching in mid-Jan. Can't wait and a Merry Christmas to all!

post #15707 of 17856
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Originally Posted by NagysAudio View Post

It's only the grey surrounds that are cracking. The black B&W surrounds stiffen up a bit, but hold for decades. They no longer use the grey rubber and all for the better. It's best to stay away from the lines which used them. Thankfully B&W noticed their mistake very quickly. I believe it's only certain (blond wood) 600 S3 models and CM2, CM4, CM6.

@NagysAudio, thanks for this clarification, which is also very disheartening to read. I am, then, stuck with one of very, very few b&w models (CM4), which I bought new at a now defunct dealer, that's basically using defective material for the sake of its looks, the way I understood you. And I don't have any recourse, do I? I don't suppose B&W ever admitted or recalled these, especially considering that the replacement they sent me, manufactured a few months ago, is made using the same gray rubber surround, right?

Basically, it's just a matter of time until my other 3 drivers stiffen up and crack more than they already started to, and would have to be replaced as well... by more drivers made with gray rubber.

@Chise, so would you like to take the one I replaced off my hands? Where are you located? I'm in NYC, can ship anywhere if you want to cover that.
post #15708 of 17856
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Originally Posted by The Murderousone View Post

I read this in the Stereophile review of the 804diamonds

"Compared with other speakers that have occupied this room, the 804 Diamond sounded like a nimbler version of the 800 Diamond ($24,000/pair), or a compact version of the Aerial Acoustics 7T ($9850/pair). In the first case, a comparison of the specs (and ignoring their differences in size and weight) revealed that the 800 and 804 Diamonds differ in only two performance parameters: low-frequency extension/THD and maximum power handling. So, granting the very real sonic differences at the low end of the audioband, I found that the 804 Diamonds produced a closer, more intimate sound in my 26' by 15' room, perhaps due to the effects of their narrower cabinets on midrange radiation and room interaction."


Do you guys agree with this? With a great sub do you think they sound the equal of the 800 diamond in a mid size room?

I have 804 Diamonds and love them. I use an SVS SB-13 Ultra subwoofer with them. For surround sound, I have an HTM4 center and two pairs of 805 Diamonds.

I wouldn't claim the 804s to be equal to the 800s, but I'm happy with mine.
post #15709 of 17856
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Originally Posted by BillJulyan View Post

I have 804 Diamonds and love them. I use an SVS SB-13 Ultra subwoofer with them. For surround sound, I have an HTM4 center and two pairs of 805 Diamonds.

I wouldn't claim the 804s to be equal to the 800s, but I'm happy with mine.
To me your set up is excellent.
post #15710 of 17856
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Originally Posted by ClasseAddict View Post

I think the CM series is an awesome speaker choice. Great bang for the buck, I'm very impressed with them.

See Ya,
Steve
I second that.
post #15711 of 17856
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Originally Posted by BillJulyan View Post

I have 804 Diamonds and love them. I use an SVS SB-13 Ultra subwoofer with them. For surround sound, I have an HTM4 center and two pairs of 805 Diamonds.

I wouldn't claim the 804s to be equal to the 800s, but I'm happy with mine.

I think this is a very well balanced system and should be an excellent 2 channel and HT experience!

See Ya,
Steve
post #15712 of 17856
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Originally Posted by chrisdemello View Post

My new 804 will be reaching in mid-Jan. Can't wait and a Merry Christmas to all!


Mine too!!! smile.gif

I can't wait to listen to PL II music with 802D2 fronts and 804D2 surrounds and two JL Audio f113 subs.
Right now my surrounds are very old, cheap paradigms so I think I will hear a big difference.
I will post pics - I got cherry again to match my 802D2.
post #15713 of 17856
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Originally Posted by The Murderousone View Post

Do you guys agree with this? With a great sub do you think they sound the equal of the 800 diamond in a mid size room?

Well having both 802D2's and 800D2's in the same system with there being some audible differences between the 800's and 802's I would have to say no but like the 800's and 802's there would be a lot of similarities. The differences would be through the midrange more than anything so adding a sub would have no affect there but would of course give a pair of 804's a better low frequency response (depending on the sub I guess) than a pair of 800's with no sub. I feel what B&W have done so well with the most recent 800 series is close the audible gap between the speakers in the range. As you step up you gain more refinement rather than astronomical differences.
post #15714 of 17856
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Originally Posted by Rod#S View Post

Well having both 802D2's and 800D2's in the same system with there being some audible differences between the 800's and 802's I would have to say no but like the 800's and 802's there would be a lot of similarities. The differences would be through the midrange more than anything so adding a sub would have no affect there but would of course give a pair of 804's a better low frequency response (depending on the sub I guess) than a pair of 800's with no sub. I feel what B&W have done so well with the most recent 800 series is close the audible gap between the speakers in the range. As you step up you gain more refinement rather than astronomical differences.

Cool, just how big of a audible difference is their between the 800d2 and the 802d2?

I have only heard the 800's and man I was blown away.........
post #15715 of 17856
Maybe my ears are not as good as others but... In my experience...

There is very LITTLE difference between the 800, 802, 803, 804 in sound except for the lowest frequency. The tweeter is the same. The midrange is the same except the 802 and 800 have the different enclosure for the midrange.

Are the crossovers different... ya I guess. Is it a HUGE difference in sound... not to me.

Now if you crossover any of these speakers with a subwoofer... you close the gap in the differences to extreamly close.

Then put in the price differences between the models...

IF you could hear a difference... what would it be the price you would pay for the possible small difference? Is the difference that you hear worth thousands of dollars???? Well only you can answer that. It's your ears, your money, your call.

I love the look of my 802... do they sound all that much better than my 804? For movies... I would say not enough for the difference in price. And I would be sad if I did not get the 802 for the cheap price that I bought them for second hand.

My 2 cents...
Bill
post #15716 of 17856
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Originally Posted by The Murderousone View Post

Cool, just how big of a audible difference is their between the 800d2 and the 802d2?

I have only heard the 800's and man I was blown away.........

The difference I hear is in the mid range, it's much smoother than the 802's. The best I can relate it to is the Focal Alto Utopia's. I also find a bit more openness or air surrounding the instruments with the 800's. The largest difference is the bass and this honestly surprised me given how close the bass response is on paper between the 800 and 802. In my room at least the 800's absolutely blow the 802's out of the water in low frequency extension and control. You could easily be fooled that my dual Servo-15a's were in action when I listen in analog bypass. That is something that never happened with the 802's performing the same task in the same position.
post #15717 of 17856
I bought my 802D2 not just for sound but also for looks. For 10 years I have wanted the Marlan head.
I would not have been satisfied spending $10k on 803 and not getting the Marlan head. 10k is a lot when you are not 100% happy. Better to spend a bit more and be done with it with no regrets.
I know looks don't matter to many but it mattered to me.
post #15718 of 17856
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Originally Posted by Rod#S View Post

The difference I hear is in the mid range, it's much smoother than the 802's. The best I can relate it to is the Focal Alto Utopia's. I also find a bit more openness or air surrounding the instruments with the 800's. The largest difference is the bass and this honestly surprised me given how close the bass response is on paper between the 800 and 802. In my room at least the 800's absolutely blow the 802's out of the water in low frequency extension and control. You could easily be fooled that my dual Servo-15a's were in action when I listen in analog bypass. That is something that never happened with the 802's performing the same task in the same position.

Thanks alot for the response
post #15719 of 17856
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Originally Posted by bao01 View Post

I bought my 802D2 not just for sound but also for looks. For 10 years I have wanted the Marlan head.
I would not have been satisfied spending $10k on 803 and not getting the Marlan head. 10k is a lot when you are not 100% happy. Better to spend a bit more and be done with it with no regrets.
I know looks don't matter to many but it mattered to me.

I understand, it is an amazing looking iconic speaker......I assume the 804 diamonds would be more popular if they had marlan head also.........
post #15720 of 17856
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Originally Posted by Sasha M View Post

@NagysAudio, thanks for this clarification, which is also very disheartening to read. I am, then, stuck with one of very, very few b&w models (CM4), which I bought new at a now defunct dealer, that's basically using defective material for the sake of its looks, the way I understood you. And I don't have any recourse, do I? I don't suppose B&W ever admitted or recalled these, especially considering that the replacement they sent me, manufactured a few months ago, is made using the same gray rubber surround, right?

Basically, it's just a matter of time until my other 3 drivers stiffen up and crack more than they already started to, and would have to be replaced as well... by more drivers made with gray rubber.

@Chise, so would you like to take the one I replaced off my hands? Where are you located? I'm in NYC, can ship anywhere if you want to cover that.

Just get the drivers that have dark surrounds, i.e. the ones that went with the black speakers. I assume you have the grills on...

B.
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