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Originally Posted by mariokrt64 View Post

My 703's have develop several spots on the black woofers.....To me it looks like some kind of mold or "fungus" may be developing on the cone surface....I tried to remove with a very gentle brush but did not worked....Is there anyway to remove this "spots". I checked in the B&W site and the replacement drivers are $162.18 plus shipping ea.....so I am trying to avoid replacing them. I need to try something since this appears to be getting worse since last time I checked a couple of months ago......

thks



Yes you have mold! You should replace it ASAP or it could spread to the other drivers and the wood!
post #15992 of 17857
Anyway to clean it out???, but replacing?
post #15993 of 17857
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

Saying that 4 805D IS BAD your definition is interesting.

If that is how it sounded sorry that was not my goal at all, my only point is over the years i have seen many questions on the line : what is better 5.1 or 7.1 without taking the room into account. Also adding speakers results in lower price per speaker most of the time (when asked) and then it really depends on the expected grow path what makes sense.

Sorry my answer was more generic but i am always amazed that room/placement never seems part of the question. I have no deep views on the 805D's as a surrounds my gut feeling is they would be more than fine for most people for HT and might have limitations when using them for surround audio. But even then most people would be very happy with any of the 800 line as surrounds and higher up as fronts.

Daniel.
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Originally Posted by mariokrt64 View Post

Anyway to clean it out???, but replacing?

Well since you are already considering replacing it, I don't think you have much to lose by attempting to clean it. A diluted bleach solution or a product that is designed to remove mold lightly applied to a cloth may do it. Obviously I wouldn't soak it.
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Hello everyone! A new forum/thread newbie here although I have lurked for some time :) and have been in the hobby on/off for many years although can't match the degree of involvement of many of you.

 

So.. my first question/research/dilemma w/AV for a long time. Time has come to update my system recently and so period of excitement and pain has begun ;) ... Need to decide and select a new front stage speaker set. I have recently purchased a 65" LCD for my family room and have replaced my ancient Yamaha RX-V2090 with more modern RX-A1020 I picked up @ Crutchfield / open box for $680. Great deal so I couldn't resist.

 

My current speakers, which are being replaced are, also ancient, Boston towers and center channel, Lynnfield series circa 1995. Also have VRS Pro dipoles for rear surrounds and a Definitive 15" ported sub - PF-15TL Plus.

 

Room is large, basically 2 story family room - 7000 cu ft+... roughly 20 x 15 x 18' high.

 

I plan to hang on to the sub for now because I can "live with" it ;) ... until I decide to splurge for a beefier one.

 

Speaker wise however I got the B&W bug and it so happens I can get any of them from my local BB @ 20% discount - which partially is the reason I want to go B&W because that just makes it such a sweet deal on top of the fact that love the way they sound (compared to most of the rest of the stuff @ Magnolia). So... I've been deliberating, auditioning, deliberating more, googling and lurking on various AVS forums and elsewhere. I am mainly trying to decide/settle on the front stage for now but I do not want to ignore the surrounds totally even though I am thinking that for "now" I could use the Boston VRS Pros, they are really nice THX certified speakers, and surround being mostly ambiance I am thinking maybe it isn't THAT super critical to match to the fronts even if that isn't ideal. Opinions here definitely welcome, as I am trying to also decide if I should maybe retire the VRS Pros and go w/7.1 system where all 4 rear surrounds would be say 686 monopoles or even 685s but those are a bit large.

 

Basically I have narrowed things down to the following front stage sets I am trying to select from:

 

1. Fronts: 685s; Center HTM61

 

2. Fronts: 683s; Center HTM61

 

3. Fronts: CM5s; Center: CM Centre or CM Centre 2...

 

CM9's would have obviously be even better but thats getting way out there $ wise so I don't really want to do this.

 

The problem is that I really kind of like the HTM61 center, but think that it may be too much for the 685s... but if I were to end up w/having to go w/bookshelf sized speakers (wife factor, which I am in the process of battling to see if I can finnagle 683s but size is definitely at issue here). So... 61 would be a good match for 683s, but not sure about 685s... OTOH if I went with CM5s, I would have to go with CM center... which makes it either the CMC or CMC2... where CMC2 is more of a speaker. Have compared HTM61 to CMC and 61 definitely wins there. I am pretty sure CMC2 would be at least as good as HTM61... but... its also 2x cost. Also, would it be a bit too much for the CM5s as a center similarly to HTM61 relative to 685s?

 

May people suggest using a single 685 for the center, which sounds like a very interesting idea... the problem is that I don't have the space to put a 685 there in a vertical orientation. And it's going to not be optimal if its on the side, so can't use that...

 

I have read various opinions on HTM61 that its too focused etc... and I don't really find this to be the case, although I have to admit that my hearing may be more to blame here after years of listening to Techno/Trance/Electronica and Ambient music rather than acoustic guitar or piano.

 

I also have to admit, something which many will disagree with, that to my ears there is very little difference between the 685s, CM5s and even 683s... I will agree that 685s sound weakest but CM5s vs. 683s is almost a wash... 683s do have a bit more low end but not all that much plus I will have a sub which really covers that whole band anyway. There is a tiny bit more clarity to CM5s, maybe..., but really its more of a question of them sounding a little different rather than better. Or... even they may be placed too wide compared to the 685s and 683s in the room, and having the vent in the rear, may be too close to the back wall, so they just may be placed strangely.

 

Questions...

 

1. What do you think about matching 685s with HTM61 for center? HTM61 is a much beefier speaker than 685s... in fact I have a pair of 685s and HTM61 at home now auditioning, and they all sound divine compared to the old Bostons, I can tell that much... but I feel some times the center does somewhat overpower the 685s... not sure if this is just me though, or maybe I should tweak the center volume or something, or its the nature of that specific center. I have run the YPAO setup etc so at least "roughly" its all set right.

 

2. What do you think about CMC versus CMC2 matched with CM5s? Would CMC2 be/not be too much for them? I have not had a chance to listen to CMC2 because Magnolia doesn't have those in their "regular" listening rooms so I am purely speculating on it's performance.

 

Apologies for length of the post, intended to keep it shorter but id didn't work out. I tend to get wordy (which I am working on) when I try to explain things... hopefully this didn't put everyone off and some of you have graciously spent the time reading and would be willing to share opinions.

 

Thanks,

 

Spacey :)


Edited by 5pacey - 1/16/14 at 4:36pm
post #15996 of 17857
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Originally Posted by 5pacey View Post

Basically I have narrowed things down to the following front stage sets I am trying to select from:

1. Fronts: 685s; Center HTM61

2. Fronts: 683s; Center HTM61

3. Fronts: CM5s; Center: CM Centre or CM Centre 2...

CM9's would have obviously be even better but thats getting way out there $ wise so I don't really want to do this.
I would, as much as possible, opt for the CM-Series, you will be happier further down the road. Personally I feel your front-surround speaker investment is most critical for building a new HT/Audio system. I would sacrifice and jump for, at least, CM9 fronts and CM Centre-2 front surround. Or maybe CM5 fronts, CM Centre-2 and a good sub (Velodyne Digital Drive Plus-12 or Digital Drive Plus-15).
Edited by WestCoastD - 1/16/14 at 7:41pm
post #15997 of 17857
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Originally Posted by WestCoastD View Post

I would, as much as possible, opt for the CM-Series, you will be happier further down the road. Personally I feel your front-surround speaker investment is most critical for building a new HT/Audio system. I would sacrifice and jump for, at least, CM9 fronts and CM Centre-2 front surround. Or maybe CM5 fronts, CM Centre-2 and a good sub (Digital Drive Plus-12 or Digital Drive Plus-15).
I agree with WestCoastD especially if you listen to music also.
post #15998 of 17857
And CMC2 over CMC for sure.
post #15999 of 17857
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Originally Posted by WestCoastD View Post


I would, as much as possible, opt for the CM-Series, you will be happier further down the road. Personally I feel your front-surround speaker investment is most critical for building a new HT/Audio system. I would sacrifice and jump for, at least, CM9 fronts and CM Centre-2 front surround. Or maybe CM5 fronts, CM Centre-2 and a good sub (Velodyne Digital Drive Plus-12 or Digital Drive Plus-15).

WestCoast,

 

I absolutely agree on front stage being most critical. That said It feels a bit strange to consider bookshelf speakers there... ;) although the ones in question are of very high quality and performance, certainly outperforming the large/full tower Boston's VR40s I have been using all these years. Well... when played with a subwoofer that is, Bostons definitely have more low end oomph, but otherwise don't come close to even the 685s I've been playing for the past week. 

 

CM9s I am afraid are going to be out of my range for now, maybe later if/when basement is finished and a dedicated HT budget can be applied. CM5s w/CMC2 are going to be more than I set out to spend already, especially that if I went that way, I do want to get the B&W stand's made for them, which will be additional $400 (minus 20%).

 

I do not like the idea of CMC, I've heard it and was not impressed compared to HTM61. You do suggest CMC2 rather than CMC with CM5s... do you feel they will not be mismatched size wise? Not physically of course (which they will a bit, but w/stands etc. it will be ok), but sonically?

 

Thanks,

 

Spacey :)

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Originally Posted by vvuuren View Post


I agree with WestCoastD especially if you listen to music also.

vvuuren,

 

I do listen to music, for sure. That said, i find that the music I like/listen to being mostly electronic does not really exercise the full palette of fine set of speakers. Its that or my hearing/listenting experience just isn't on par with some of the folks here so any differences I have perceived so far were miniscule. Though I do have to agree that 685s sounded a bit hollow/flat when played side by side w/CM5s and 683s.

 

Best,

 

Spacey :)

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Originally Posted by jima4a View Post

And CMC2 over CMC for sure.

Jim,

 

I would agree except that I have this trepidation that it may outweigh the CM5s if paired w/them in a system... and unfortunately I have not been able to listen to CMC2 since BB doesn't have them on display. Not sure... any elaboration on this, or "scientific evidence" that this would not be so to put my mind at ease would be welcome ;) ... lol

 

Best,

 

Spacey :)

post #16002 of 17857
5pacey,

Considering the size of your room, the use that you intend, and also that you are not willing to have a subwoofer for now, I would go with the B&W 683. There are enough bass on those, and for films, shows, pop/rock/ballads music they really amazing. The medium frequencies are the best part of the work of B&W, and the 683 have a great signature on those making it irrelevant the choice that you make for the center. I do have the 683 paired with HTM62, and all in all, extremelly happy with the result.
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Does any knows if B&W was at CES  2014

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This would be sweet. biggrin.gif

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I'd say the toe in is a little extreme! Lol
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Question to 802 owners. How much toe in do you use? At present mine are facing the primary listening position (i'm only one listening to my system so have one chair only).
post #16007 of 17857
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Originally Posted by djnickuk View Post

I'd say the toe in is a little extreme! Lol
Maybe the audiophile sits REAL CLOSE to his system because his remote doesn't work. Haha
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Originally Posted by monnerat View Post

5pacey,

Considering the size of your room, the use that you intend, and also that you are not willing to have a subwoofer for now, I would go with the B&W 683. There are enough bass on those, and for films, shows, pop/rock/ballads music they really amazing. The medium frequencies are the best part of the work of B&W, and the 683 have a great signature on those making it irrelevant the choice that you make for the center. I do have the 683 paired with HTM62, and all in all, extremelly happy with the result.

Monnerat,

 

Actually I do have a subwoofer, the 15" Definitive. Its just old, but it does kick butt. Tried the 10 B&W ASW 610 and it just doesn't even make a dent.. so reverting back to the 15". Its old and a bit sloppy (the cabinet came apart on one seam because it got wet while in storage few years ago) but definitely does make the system sound way better than w/out it. I said I can "live with it" for now because I know I can/should get a better one, at least 500W RMS or 1000. Maybe a SVS or a HSU or or one of many others out there... there is no shortage of options, but its going to run me probably at least $1k or more likely closer to $2k for a really good one so I will make it a separate project at some point in the future.

 

I am really trying to decide whether or not the CM5's are going to be overwhelmed/overpowered by CMC2, and if not, then how does the CM5/CMC2 package compare to 683/HTM61.

 

Best,

 

Spacey :)

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Originally Posted by 5pacey View Post

That said It feels a bit strange to consider bookshelf speakers there..
actually the CM5 bookshelf's will perform very nice. Although I would prefer having the 3-way design CM8's or better (with "FST" mid-range).
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Originally Posted by 5pacey View Post

You do suggest CMC2 rather than CMC with CM5s... do you feel they will not be mismatched size wise? Not physically of course (which they will a bit, but w/stands etc. it will be ok), but sonically?
yes, they will be fine sonically, they are timbre-matched. The CMC2 is true 3-way design, resolves frequencies more efficiently, I think slightly better clarity HT dialog.
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Originally Posted by vvuuren View Post

Question to 802 owners. How much toe in do you use? At present mine are facing the primary listening position (i'm only one listening to my system so have one chair only).

You can see the toe in in my album.

http://www.avsforum.com/g/a/2276097/sunny-sanctuary-for-music/







I would guess it's around 15 degrees.
The drivers fire at a point about 2 inch off the edge of my shoulder so about 6" from my ear.
MLP is exactly 8.0 feet from all speakers.
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Originally Posted by wse View Post
 

Does any knows if B&W was at CES  2014

Yes and no.  Private suite at a nearby hotel.

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Originally Posted by bao01 View Post

You can see the toe in in my album.

http://www.avsforum.com/g/a/2276097/sunny-sanctuary-for-music/







I would guess it's around 15 degrees.
The drivers fire at a point about 2 inch off the edge of my shoulder so about 6" from my ear.
MLP is exactly 8.0 feet from all speakers.
NICE room. Have you tried with them facing you exactly?
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Originally Posted by bao01 View Post

You can see the toe in in my album.




I would guess it's around 15 degrees.
The drivers fire at a point about 2 inch off the edge of my shoulder so about 6" from my ear.
MLP is exactly 8.0 feet from all speakers.

Beautiful room. Sadly it looks lonely at the top.
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Originally Posted by 5pacey View Post

Monnerat,

Actually I do have a subwoofer, the 15" Definitive. Its just old, but it does kick butt. Tried the 10 B&W ASW 610 and it just doesn't even make a dent.. so reverting back to the 15". Its old and a bit sloppy (the cabinet came apart on one seam because it got wet while in storage few years ago) but definitely does make the system sound way better than w/out it. I said I can "live with it" for now because I know I can/should get a better one, at least 500W RMS or 1000. Maybe a SVS or a HSU or or one of many others out there... there is no shortage of options, but its going to run me probably at least $1k or more likely closer to $2k for a really good one so I will make it a separate project at some point in the future.

I am really trying to decide whether or not the CM5's are going to be overwhelmed/overpowered by CMC2, and if not, then how does the CM5/CMC2 package compare to 683/HTM61.

Best,

Spacey smile.gif

The CM5's are very capable speakers. They are much better than the CM1's and would pair very nicely with the CMC2 (which is a much better speaker than the CMC). They obviously lack the low end extension vs. the CM8/9 or 683, but with a good sub I think you will be very pleased. The 683's are also very good. They have excellent bass, but achieve it by being less accurate than the CM8/9. I found the 683's to have less highend sparkle and a narrower soundstage than the CM5/8/9. The midrange is also not quite as full and pronounced as the CM5/8/9. Don't get me wrong the 683 is honestly a great speaker and excellent bargain. It's also full range, which the CM5 just aren't. Still with a good subwoofer I would certainly give the nod to the CM5/CMC2 pairing.
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

This would be sweet. biggrin.gif

YES,

 

I would substitute this for Mc for Classé, also the piano black is too much for me, I like wood :)

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Originally Posted by bao01 View Post


You can see the toe in in my album.

http://www.avsforum.com/g/a/2276097/sunny-sanctuary-for-music/







I would guess it's around 15 degrees.
The drivers fire at a point about 2 inch off the edge of my shoulder so about 6" from my ear.
MLP is exactly 8.0 feet from all speakers.

Great set up, your room seems pretty "hot" meaning not much reflection absorption. Is that a ZT60

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Originally Posted by wse View Post

YES,

I would substitute this for Mc for Classé, also the piano black is too much for me, I like wood smile.gif
Yes, a little black for me too. And I won't use McIntosh either.
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Originally Posted by vvuuren View Post

NICE room. Have you tried with them facing you exactly?

Thanks.
No but it's on my to do list - they are heavy - even with the built-in casters.
Also, every time i move them i do a full 8 point Audyssey XT32 run - bit of a pain.
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

Great set up, your room seems pretty "hot" meaning not much reflection absorption. Is that a ZT60

Thanks.
You are right about the room. There probably is too much high frequency reflection - i think that at night with the cellular shades covering all the glass windows, the room sounds a bit better.
I think cellular shades would be excellent at diffusion because of all the angles.
I have been playing around with REW and the frequency response is pretty good (flat) but i have decay issues.

My plan is some cool looking acoustic panels. Still doing the research.

It is a P65VT50 65" plasma - spectacular colors but i have to be careful with image retention.
It was top of the line when i bought 3 yrs ago but the next model mad.gif , the ZT60, is apparently the best HDTV ever since the beginning of the universe:

http://reviews.cnet.com/best-tvs-picture-quality/

"Panasonic's ultimate plasma TV is the best-performing television we've ever tested. Both it and the less-expensive VT60 have finally surpassed the overall performance of the Pioneer Kuro, a legendary and long-extinct television that held the "best ever" mantle since 2008."

It is sad Panasonic is getting out of plasma - it seems there are not enough customers willing to spend a lot on an excellent plasma.
Edited by bao01 - 1/18/14 at 10:23am
post #16020 of 17857
Hello!
It was suggested to me to post this here, I am copying it over.

I have a Marantz SR6007 receiver, 2 BW 683 Mains, Martin Logan 1k watt subwoofer, and the BW CMC2 center. The 683s sound great to me, but I can't for the life of me get this center channel to sound decent. The center output is weak, with an almost muffled characteristic, and dialog doesn't sound real or natural - almost like someone is talking in a box - it is missing clarity..to the point that i can't even understand the dialogue from time to time. I can boost the speaker's volume by +6 and it still sounds that way, just louder. It is not inside of any enclosed space, rather, sitting on top of a shelf, just under the TV. I have pulled it out (2 and 1/2 feet from wall, with nothing close to the sides or top), run audyssey (multiple times, with all points of calibration..using a tripod), reset my AVR, angled it up at ear level, and of course checked the wiring multiple times.

Just today I swapped the center with a 683 and it made quite a difference. Voices actually sound natural, and very crisp/clean..It was easy to understand even quiet dialogue and I did not feel annoyed trying to sit through a movie scene. At the moment I have no audyssey configured and as such that was a test using the same AVR, AVR config (no audyssey), and cabling, etc, using those two speakers.

I don't feel like something is broken with the CMC2 speaker - I put my ear up to it and I can hear sound coming from each speaker, including the tweater...it just sounds like sound is resonating in a box.

Has anyone else had a similar experience with CMC2? Anyone have thoughts on how I may be able to make this sound better?
Truth be told, dialog is clearer on my klipsch promedias computer speakers. Ive resorted to turning off the center channel.
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