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post #16021 of 17959
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

This would be sweet. biggrin.gif


LOL...2KW's for a pair of 802's, I mean come on talk about over kill smile.gif All you need at most for 802's would be a pair of 601's as they exceed the 802's recommended power rating. Then of course there is the price delta between the 2KW and 802's, a bit out of alignment me thinks smile.gif May as well throw in a pair of Siltech Emperor Double Crown speaker cables and Empress Double Crown interconnects. That way you would be north of 50k in cables, maybe even approaching 100k depending on lengths biggrin.gif
post #16022 of 17959
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Originally Posted by bao01 View Post

Thanks.
No but it's on my to do list - they are heavy - even with the built-in casters.
Also, every time i move them i do a full 8 point Audyssey XT32 run - bit of a pain.
Yes, mine are on spikes! Even tougher to play around with. Hence my post to get some advice from stronger audiophiles!
post #16023 of 17959
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Originally Posted by Rod#S View Post

LOL...2KW's for a pair of 802's, I mean come on talk about over kill smile.gif All you need at most for 802's would be a pair of 601's as they exceed the 802's recommended power rating. Then of course there is the price delta between the 2KW and 802's, a bit out of alignment me thinks smile.gif May as well throw in a pair of Siltech Emperor Double Crown speaker cables and Empress Double Crown interconnects. That way you would be north of 50k in cables, maybe even approaching 100k depending on lengths biggrin.gif
I use Krell EV600e monos to drive mine! Overkill? Maybe, but since switching over they purr even better (250/channel before). But no, my cabling does not cost that much although they do cost about a sixth of the speaker price.Sorry, just checked on the 601's and they are also 600W so I agree with you.
post #16024 of 17959
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Originally Posted by bao01 View PostThanks.
You are right about the room. There probably is too much high frequency reflection - i think that at night with the cellular shades covering all the glass windows, the room sounds a bit better.
I think cellular shades would be excellent at diffusion because of all the angles.
I have been playing around with REW and the frequency response is pretty good (flat) but i have decay issues.

My plan is some cool looking acoustic panels. Still doing the research.

It is a P65VT50 65" plasma - spectacular colors but i have to be careful with image retention.
It was top of the line when i bought 3 yrs ago but the next model mad.gif , the VT60, is apparently the best HDTV ever since the beginning of the universe:

http://reviews.cnet.com/best-tvs-picture-quality/

"Panasonic's ultimate plasma TV is the best-performing television we've ever tested. Both it and the less-expensive VT60 have finally surpassed the overall performance of the Pioneer Kuro, a legendary and long-extinct television that held the "best ever" mantle since 2008."

It is sad Panasonic is getting out of plasma - it seems there are not enough customers willing to spend a lot on an excellent plasma.

Welcome yes now LG Flat OLED needs to be moving forward and drop down in price then I am getting one :)

post #16025 of 17959
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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post
 

Yes and no.  Private suite at a nearby hotel.

Any thing new ?

post #16026 of 17959
Besides BW, what's a good metal center channel stand for the portly (70 lbs) HTM2D2?
Adjustable height would be nice.
thanks
post #16027 of 17959
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Originally Posted by vvuuren View Post

I use Krell EV600e monos to drive mine! Overkill? Maybe, but since switching over they purr even better (250/channel before). But no, my cabling does not cost that much although they do cost about a sixth of the speaker price.Sorry, just checked on the 601's and they are also 600W so I agree with you.
Yeah the 2KW's are 2000 watts thus my over comment smile.gif Even 1.2KW at 1200 watts is too much in my opinion but I have seen people post who do in fact use them, the 1.2s on 802s.The price for the 2KWs are I believe $40k a piece.

P.S. Very nice amps you have by the way. Do they get really hot? Aren't the Krell's Class A?
post #16028 of 17959
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Originally Posted by Rod#S View Post

Yeah the 2KW's are 2000 watts thus my over comment smile.gif Even 1.2KW at 1200 watts is too much in my opinion but I have seen people post who do in fact use them, the 1.2s on 802s.The price for the 2KWs are I believe $40k a piece.

P.S. Very nice amps you have by the way. Do they get really hot? Aren't the Krell's Class A?
They do get warm but not nearly as bad as their old amps. On standby uses very little power so much more friendly (my wife doesn't complain nearly as much!). Those big McIntoshes would fit in better with the Nautilus which probably needs that power more. My amps really sounds good with my 802's! I would not trade my system for anything!
post #16029 of 17959
Ps. I was in BIG poopoo after buying those amps but got a REALLY good price on them because I had a family member that worked at the audio store. Otherwise I would still have my old FPB that I bought as demo.
post #16030 of 17959
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Originally Posted by wse View Post
 

Any thing new ?

Not that I saw.

post #16031 of 17959
The original photos is McIntosh's two channel reference system, with their tri-wire 2k line arrays...




Ironically, those very amps are on sale now on Audiogon for I think 45k for the pair...(literally the amps in that photo....)
post #16032 of 17959
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Originally Posted by Rod#S View Post

LOL...2KW's for a pair of 802's, I mean come on talk about over kill smile.gif All you need at most for 802's would be a pair of 601's as they exceed the 802's recommended power rating. Then of course there is the price delta between the 2KW and 802's, a bit out of alignment me thinks smile.gif May as well throw in a pair of Siltech Emperor Double Crown speaker cables and Empress Double Crown interconnects. That way you would be north of 50k in cables, maybe even approaching 100k depending on lengths biggrin.gif

What ARE the Macs in this configuration? Models, I mean?
post #16033 of 17959
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Originally Posted by 5pacey View Post

Jim,

I would agree except that I have this trepidation that it may outweigh the CM5s if paired w/them in a system... and unfortunately I have not been able to listen to CMC2 since BB doesn't have them on display. Not sure... any elaboration on this, or "scientific evidence" that this would not be so to put my mind at ease would be welcome wink.gif ... lol

Best,

Spacey smile.gif

Hi Spacey,

To help put your mind at ease, I have CM5s as my front LR speakers, along with a Hsu VTF1 sub, and Def Tech Pro Monitor 1000s for rears. A few months ago, I upgraded my CMC to a CMC2 that I grabbed used in mint condition on Audiogon. It was from an authorized B&W dealer selling it for a client, and I got it for a fantastic price that made the switch painless. I can honestly tell you that the sound quality difference between the 2 centers is HUGE! The CMC2 is so much clearer and full sounding, and actually matches the CM5s better IMHO. In contrast, the CMC always sounded congested and muddy to me. The CMC2 will not/does not overpower the CM5s at all, and they are a wonderful combination. I hope that my own experience helps you make your decision, and I wish you the best of luck!
Edited by Ears to you - 1/18/14 at 6:50pm
post #16034 of 17959
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Originally Posted by [Irishman] View Post

What ARE the Macs in this configuration? Models, I mean?

These

http://www.mcintoshlabs.com/us/Products/pages/ProductDetails.aspx?CatId=amplifiers&ProductId=MC2KW

Three chassis design per mono channel.
post #16035 of 17959
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Originally Posted by Ears to you View Post

Hi Spacey,

To help put your mind at ease, I have CM5s as my front LR speakers, along with a Hsu VTF1 sub, and Def Tech Pro Monitor 1000s for rears. A few months ago, I upgraded my CMC to a CMC2 that I grabbed used in mint condition on Audiogon. It was from an authorized B&W dealer selling it for a client, and I got it for a fantastic price that made the switch painless. I can honestly tell you that the sound quality difference between the 2 centers is HUGE! The CMC2 is so much clearer and full sounding, and actually matches the CM5s better IMHO. In contrast, the CMC always sounded congested and muddy to me. The CMC2 will not/does not overpower the CM5s at all, and they are a wonderful combination. I hope that my own experience helps you make your decision, and I wish you the best of luck!
It is always great to be able to get first hand experience for input! Glad you were able to make that upgrade.
post #16036 of 17959
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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View PostNot that I saw.

I wonder when the new 800 series will come out?

 

How about on Classé 's side any new things?

post #16037 of 17959
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Originally Posted by Ears to you View Post


Hi Spacey,

To help put your mind at ease, I have CM5s as my front LR speakers, along with a Hsu VTF1 sub, and Def Tech Pro Monitor 1000s for rears. A few months ago, I upgraded my CMC to a CMC2 that I grabbed used in mint condition on Audiogon. It was from an authorized B&W dealer selling it for a client, and I got it for a fantastic price that made the switch painless. I can honestly tell you that the sound quality difference between the 2 centers is HUGE! The CMC2 is so much clearer and full sounding, and actually matches the CM5s better IMHO. In contrast, the CMC always sounded congested and muddy to me. The CMC2 will not/does not overpower the CM5s at all, and they are a wonderful combination. I hope that my own experience helps you make your decision, and I wish you the best of luck!

Ears,

 

Thank you for sharing your experience. It does put me at ease... absolutely! :D ... This is exactly what I was looking for. I have a different problem now though... lol ... went to a different BB than I go to regularly just to see if the sound is the same/different. I know they all have the same setup but wiring/implementation can always vary. Also, I've been calculating $ and while I am sure I do not want to go for CM9s at this point, I've calculated that there is very little price difference between CM5s + stands (I am talking the $400/pair stands) and CM8's... ;) So I decided I wanted to audition those, something I've not done so far because I was focusing on 685s, 683s and CM9s. And I have to tell you that CM8s sound reaaaaaaly nice. I also found that CM5s at that store (and my local one as well) sounded strange in comparison... I couldn't put my finger on it on the few songs I was auditioning so far until I started with playing Oldfield's Songs of distant earth which is much better acoustically... until one part it finally hit me... actually it became blatantly obvious! They have CM5s wired out of phase! While all other speakers sounded a bit different in their own way, the CM5s were just strange sounding and undefined... imaging however was relatively consistent if somewhat different from speaker to speaker... except for CM5s which just did not have an image - they were smeared all over. Felt spacey (no pun intended) but not well defined. This one specific part however just made it obvious with a huge gap/space/vacuum hole right in the middle between the two speakers, with sounds really mostly coming from the outside of the speaker cone. This was even more obvious when I realized that CM5s were placed exactly above CM8s so it wasn't a matter of difference in how far apart they were.

 

The BB guy didn't know why they would be out of phase, but didn't check it either... I didn't press because I was in a hurry by then and honestly kind of had my heart set on CM8s already. But this realization (that they have to have been out of phase) made it all make sense that I couldn't really tell what the CM5s sounded like thus far. It almost sounds like they have them wired like that at both stores - my local one and the one I went to today. Have no idea why they would, unless they want to push other models for some reason... and are purposely obfuscating how good CM5s are. I am going to have to go to my local BB and play around w/wiring and verify this. I'll report my findings tomorrow or whenever I make it to the store...

 

Best,

 

Spacey :)

post #16038 of 17959
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Originally Posted by 5pacey View Post

Ears,

Thank you for sharing your experience. It does put me at ease... absolutely! biggrin.gif ... This is exactly what I was looking for. I have a different problem now though... lol ... went to a different BB than I go to regularly just to see if the sound is the same/different. I know they all have the same setup but wiring/implementation can always vary. Also, I've been calculating $ and while I am sure I do not want to go for CM9s at this point, I've calculated that there is very little price difference between CM5s + stands (I am talking the $400/pair stands) and CM8's... wink.gif So I decided I wanted to audition those, something I've not done so far because I was focusing on 685s, 683s and CM9s. And I have to tell you that CM8s sound reaaaaaaly nice. I also found that CM5s at that store (and my local one as well) sounded strange in comparison... I couldn't put my finger on it on the few songs I was auditioning so far until I started with playing Oldfield's Songs of distant earth which is much better acoustically... until one part it finally hit me... actually it became blatantly obvious! They have CM5s wired out of phase! While all other speakers sounded a bit different in their own way, the CM5s were just strange sounding and undefined... imaging however was relatively consistent if somewhat different from speaker to speaker... except for CM5s which just did not have an image - they were smeared all over. Felt spacey (no pun intended) but not well defined. This one specific part however just made it obvious with a huge gap/space/vacuum hole right in the middle between the two speakers, with sounds really mostly coming from the outside of the speaker cone. This was even more obvious when I realized that CM5s were placed exactly above CM8s so it wasn't a matter of difference in how far apart they were.

The BB guy didn't know why they would be out of phase, but didn't check it either... I didn't press because I was in a hurry by then and honestly kind of had my heart set on CM8s already. But this realization (that they have to have been out of phase) made it all make sense that I couldn't really tell what the CM5s sounded like thus far. It almost sounds like they have them wired like that at both stores - my local one and the one I went to today. Have no idea why they would, unless they want to push other models for some reason... and are purposely obfuscating how good CM5s are. I am going to have to go to my local BB and play around w/wiring and verify this. I'll report my findings tomorrow or whenever I make it to the store...

Best,

Spacey smile.gif

Hi 5pacey,

If the Best Buys near you are anything like the ones I have been to here in NY, the "salespeople" are almost always bored teens and early 20 somethings, who give the impression that they really would rather be texting their friends than making much of an effort to clarify a buying decision. If the speakers were wired out of phase, it wouldn't be at all surprising, and if the imaging was that poor compared to the CM8s, it does sound like your out-of-phase sense on the setup could very well be true. Why not go in at a time that both you and the salesperson are not rushed, and then ask them, for the sake of argument, to simply reverse the leads on one CM5, and then see if there is a difference. It really does need to be "apples to apples" for you to get a n accurate comparison between the 2. With the CM5s on top of the CM8s that you heard, that also is far from ideal, as the tweeters are so high in this setup that unless you sat down for the 8s and then stood up for the 5s to compensate, the tweeters might not have been at ear level for both speakers, which they should be to compare properly.

i personally have not compared the CM5s to the 8s, 9s, or 10s, but I do know that in general, monitor (bookshelf) speakers generally image better than their floorstanding brethren, but then alternatively have typically less bass production and air moving capability in a large room, such as yours. My speakers are in a much smaller room (15x15x8) with openings on 2 sides, but even though a square room is usually a notoriously poor audio environment, I guess with the specifics of the placement in my room and the coincidental reflection-deadening wall treatments that are here, they sound great. The imaging is very strong, and for the type of music that I listen to (jazz, female vocalists, blues, classical, etc), they usually sound quite good. I do think that for more electronic music and more rock, they are not nearly so well suited, and sound a bit laid back to the point that there are better, livelier speakers for higher energy music. For certain kinds of music, they excel (in my setup), and for movies, they do equally fine for me.

I will certainly not tout them as the end all and be all of speakers, but for the $650 that I paid for them a few years ago from Craigslist, they suit my room and musical tastes quite nicely. At $1500 list, and even at your $1200 discounted price, I would certainly look at the speaker alternatives out there, if you are so inclined. I do know that placement was quite critical for my pair, and this was confirmed at a couple of high end audio shops in Seattle that were very helpful in gaining some perspective on the speakers' quirks. I have them toed in pretty close to 45 degrees, and are optimized for my listening position in an almost equilateral triangle configuration. They really do disappear in my particular setup, and since I have a neighbor that owns a company providing and installing the highest end systems you could imagine, usually in mega-estates in the NY area, he came over at my request and confirmed that in my particular room, with my associated equipment, they sounded remarkably good. Once again, the caveat is that this is only in my room, and maybe I just hit the setup and room interaction jackpot by chance.

BTW - I think that the B&W stands at $400 are possible overkill, and the $ difference could potentially be allocated elsewhere. I have Sanus Ultimate Foundations (usually around $280) that my neighbor got me for $100, and they do just as well blue-tacked to the speakers as the B&Ws that connect by bolts, for a lot less. Used high quality stands on Audiogon or ebay would possibly save you some $.

I hope that some of this helps, and if my limited experiences can further help in any way, please feel free to ask.
post #16039 of 17959
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Originally Posted by jima4a View Post

It is always great to be able to get first hand experience for input! Glad you were able to make that upgrade.

Thank you very much! I was very lucky to have seen the posting for the CMC2 at almost the very moment it hit Audiogon, and was able to call the dealer in Denver (Soundings) by phone. The store owner, Rod Tomson, was incredibly helpful in generously giving me asked-for expert audio advice for about 30 minutes, and then in getting me the speaker at a fantastic price. My getting my CM5s from Craigslist for $650, also right after they were posted, and then the CMC2 for $625 delivered made for a totally acceptable $ outlay for the audio quality, but at list prices, I honestly think I would need to seriously compare with competitors to see what else is out there as well to feel that I was getting the right match for my musical taste and budget.
Edited by Ears to you - 1/19/14 at 4:55am
post #16040 of 17959
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Originally Posted by Rod#S View Post

LOL...2KW's for a pair of 802's, I mean come on talk about over kill smile.gif All you need at most for 802's would be a pair of 601's as they exceed the 802's recommended power rating. Then of course there is the price delta between the 2KW and 802's, a bit out of alignment me thinks smile.gif May as well throw in a pair of Siltech Emperor Double Crown speaker cables and Empress Double Crown interconnects. That way you would be north of 50k in cables, maybe even approaching 100k depending on lengths biggrin.gif

That was just for looks. It's photoshop. biggrin.gif
post #16041 of 17959
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

That was just for looks. It's photoshop. biggrin.gif

Yeah I noticed that the B&W's weren't part of the Mac setup but just thought you may have come across some one either doing a setup like that or contemplating it smile.gif

I see Thrang also came across that pic and posted what speakers were actually being used. An all Mac reference rig makes sense I guess.
post #16042 of 17959
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Originally Posted by thrang View Post

These

http://www.mcintoshlabs.com/us/Products/pages/ProductDetails.aspx?CatId=amplifiers&ProductId=MC2KW

Three chassis design per mono channel.

Quite beautiful smile.gif

Does the same image above reveal which pre/pro they're using?
post #16043 of 17959
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Originally Posted by [Irishman] View Post

Quite beautiful smile.gif

Does the same image above reveal which pre/pro they're using?

The rest of the rack includes the C1000 preamp - the control module plus both the solid state and tube front ends; the MCD1000 Disc Transport and the MDA1000 DAC

Their current ultimate two channel config has a few different components, but that was the rig set up in the executive suites in New Jersey when McIntosh was part of D&M Holdings about 6 years back.
post #16044 of 17959
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Originally Posted by warensemble View Post

Hello!
It was suggested to me to post this here, I am copying it over.

I have a Marantz SR6007 receiver, 2 BW 683 Mains, Martin Logan 1k watt subwoofer, and the BW CMC2 center. The 683s sound great to me, but I can't for the life of me get this center channel to sound decent. The center output is weak, with an almost muffled characteristic, and dialog doesn't sound real or natural - almost like someone is talking in a box - it is missing clarity..to the point that i can't even understand the dialogue from time to time. I can boost the speaker's volume by +6 and it still sounds that way, just louder. It is not inside of any enclosed space, rather, sitting on top of a shelf, just under the TV. I have pulled it out (2 and 1/2 feet from wall, with nothing close to the sides or top), run audyssey (multiple times, with all points of calibration..using a tripod), reset my AVR, angled it up at ear level, and of course checked the wiring multiple times.

Just today I swapped the center with a 683 and it made quite a difference. Voices actually sound natural, and very crisp/clean..It was easy to understand even quiet dialogue and I did not feel annoyed trying to sit through a movie scene. At the moment I have no audyssey configured and as such that was a test using the same AVR, AVR config (no audyssey), and cabling, etc, using those two speakers.

I don't feel like something is broken with the CMC2 speaker - I put my ear up to it and I can hear sound coming from each speaker, including the tweater...it just sounds like sound is resonating in a box.

Has anyone else had a similar experience with CMC2? Anyone have thoughts on how I may be able to make this sound better?
Truth be told, dialog is clearer on my klipsch promedias computer speakers. Ive resorted to turning off the center channel.

Neither the CMC2 in my setup nor the one at the AV store I have listened to exhibit these characteristics. You may want to check the terminal bridges on the CMC2 (which you remove to biamp) and make sure they are firmly in place. Otherwise I would say there is something damaged in the speaker. I have listened to the 683's and the CMC2 should be at least as good with dialogue.
post #16045 of 17959
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Originally Posted by jeahrens View Post

Neither the CMC2 in my setup nor the one at the AV store I have listened to exhibit these characteristics. You may want to check the terminal bridges on the CMC2 (which you remove to biamp) and make sure they are firmly in place. Otherwise I would say there is something damaged in the speaker. I have listened to the 683's and the CMC2 should be at least as good with dialogue.
I agree. I don't own the CMC2 (has the HTM2) but heard it before and didn't sound bad at all!
post #16046 of 17959
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Originally Posted by vvuuren View Post

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Originally Posted by jeahrens View Post

Neither the CMC2 in my setup nor the one at the AV store I have listened to exhibit these characteristics. You may want to check the terminal bridges on the CMC2 (which you remove to biamp) and make sure they are firmly in place. Otherwise I would say there is something damaged in the speaker. I have listened to the 683's and the CMC2 should be at least as good with dialogue.
I agree. I don't own the CMC2 (has the HTM2) but heard it before and didn't sound bad at all!

I use cmc2 with 683 at the front. Center speaker sounds reasonably good for dialogs. 685 would probably be better, but when location is limited cmc2 works just fine. Make sure you did calibration though - this speaker is less sensitive than 683 and thus needs more power. Make sure that all drivers work in it by putting ear near each of them.
post #16047 of 17959
I was thinking of maybe trying one of this "antifungal" aerosols....the ones for athlete foot....it may be a diferent type of fungus but it might help....In addition, since the propellant is vollatile it may not deposit too much humidiy into the cone surface....

I just called the local distributor and its $800 to replace all woofer ocnes...so I am trying to avoid if possible, of course....

Thanks....
post #16048 of 17959
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Originally Posted by Ears to you View Post

Hi 5pacey,

If the Best Buys near you are anything like the ones I have been to here in NY, the "salespeople" are almost always bored teens and early 20 somethings, who give the impression that they really would rather be texting their friends than making much of an effort to clarify a buying decision. If the speakers were wired out of phase, it wouldn't be at all surprising, and if the imaging was that poor compared to the CM8s, it does sound like your out-of-phase sense on the setup could very well be true. ...

i personally have not compared the CM5s to the 8s, 9s, or 10s ...

... $650 that I paid for them a few years ago from Craigslist
they suit my room and musical tastes quite nicely. At $1500 list, and even at your $1200 discounted price, I would certainly look at the speaker alternatives out there
... he came over at my request and confirmed that in my particular room, with my associated equipment, they sounded remarkably good. Once again, the caveat is that this is only in my room, and maybe I just hit the setup and room interaction jackpot by chance.
BTW - I think that the B&W stands at $400 are possible overkill, and the $ difference could potentially be allocated elsewhere ...

 

So I went to my local BB and tried CM5s... no phase problems there but they didn't have CM8s in the same room w/CM5s ;) lol ... just CM9s. But also 683s, 685s and 684s. This however did allow me to spend some quality time w/all the above... for nth time ;) Aaand, the CMs (any model) definitely have a better mid range which makes them sound more open and airy. The 600s, all of them, felt like they are really trying very hard in the middle but just cant squeeze the juice out. So this is the main tonality difference, along w/some difference in the highs, but not too much (that I could hear). Also, within CM range, the further up the food-chain you go, your clarity and resolution increase. So CM1s were the least precise, then CM5s and CM9s were obviously the most. Imaging was incredible but it gets better again the higher up the food chain you go. 

 

W/respect to the stands... I hear you... but... I looked @ Sanus stands and while they are less $ they aren't as good looking as the B&W ones. And look does become a factor here w/this kind of $ spent, especially when you calculate in spouse factor - which really goes by the look more than anything. 

 

I think I am pretty set on CM8's at this point. Its a bit more than I originally set out to spend on the new speaker set, but since I am doing it I may as well get something I know I'll be happy with for few years. W/CM5s I will never, knowing myself, get the thought of CM8s out of my head. I know CM9s are more than I want to spend for not enough more performance so I am not too worried about that. Really to see a difference I'd have to go CM10, which is again 2x price of CM8s... so not gonna happen ;)

 

Spacey :)

post #16049 of 17959
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Originally Posted by 5pacey View Post

So I went to my local BB and tried CM5s... no phase problems there but they didn't have CM8s in the same room w/CM5s wink.gif lol ... just CM9s. But also 683s, 685s and 684s. This however did allow me to spend some quality time w/all the above... for nth time wink.gif Aaand, the CMs (any model) definitely have a better mid range which makes them sound more open and airy. The 600s, all of them, felt like they are really trying very hard in the middle but just cant squeeze the juice out. So this is the main tonality difference, along w/some difference in the highs, but not too much (that I could hear). Also, within CM range, the further up the food-chain you go, your clarity and resolution increase. So CM1s were the least precise, then CM5s and CM9s were obviously the most. Imaging was incredible but it gets better again the higher up the food chain you go. 

W/respect to the stands... I hear you... but... I looked @ Sanus stands and while they are less $ they aren't as good looking as the B&W ones. And look does become a factor here w/this kind of $ spent, especially when you calculate in spouse factor - which really goes by the look more than anything. 

I think I am pretty set on CM8's at this point. Its a bit more than I originally set out to spend on the new speaker set, but since I am doing it I may as well get something I know I'll be happy with for few years. W/CM5s I will never, knowing myself, get the thought of CM8s out of my head. I know CM9s are more than I want to spend for not enough more performance so I am not too worried about that. Really to see a difference I'd have to go CM10, which is again 2x price of CM8s... so not gonna happen wink.gif

Spacey smile.gif

Hi 5pacey,

What I meant was to suggest your possibly considering other speakers that are not sold only at Best Buy, as their selection is severely limited. I was thinking about internet direct manufacturers, where your money goes farther. I was thinking that you might be interested in the Salk Songtowers for about $2000/pair ( http://www.salksound.com/songtower%20home.htm) or the Philharmonitors from Philharmonic Speakers ( http://philharmonicaudio.com/ ) and Dennis Murphy at $850/pair. Dennis designs the crossovers for both Salk speakers and for his own line, and having heard his Philharmonic 2 speakers myself, they are quite incredible sounding, and far better than the price would lead you to believe. Both he and Jim Salk can help you find owners who will let you audition their speakers, and from dealing with Dennis myself, I can tell you that he is a genuine pleasure to deal with, and I have heard that Jim Salk is also great to work with.

There are also the really nice KEF LS50 monitors for $1500/pair that I heard, as well as all the other possibilities from many excellent speaker makers, like Focal, Dynaudio, Monitor Audio, PSB, Paradigm, Dali, Harbeth, etc. It just seems like being limited to Best Buy alone might not be the best way to spend a couple of thousand dollars on speakers, when there is a whole smorgasbord of wonderful audio flavors to choose from. Please understand that I'm not questioning your choice, as the CM8s might be wonderful speakers, but I just wanted to present you with some alternatives that you might not have considered, based on what I myself would do with that same money. Whatever you choose, good luck in finding your ideal sound!
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Originally Posted by warensemble View Post

Hello!

Just today I swapped the center with a 683 and it made quite a difference. Voices actually sound natural, and very crisp/clean..It was easy to understand even quiet dialogue and I did not feel annoyed trying to sit through a movie scene. At the moment I have no audyssey configured and as such that was a test using the same AVR, AVR config (no audyssey), and cabling, etc, using those two speakers.

I don't feel like something is broken with the CMC2 speaker - I put my ear up to it and I can hear sound coming from each speaker, including the tweater...it just sounds like sound is resonating in a box..

You say that when you swapped the center with the 683, the center dialog sounded good. But have you tried switching the center for one of your front 683's and listening to 2-channel audio to see what the music sounds like from the center? It seems to me that the first thing you must do is to determine whether your center channel is working properly or not. Just because sound is emanating from it does not mean that it is working as intended.

Cal68
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