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post #1681 of 17912
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Originally Posted by Jake Sm View Post

Call all dealers you can and see if any are sitting on an older unit and willing to deal and ship.

I'll definately try that..thanks!!
post #1682 of 17912
Check out this Dealer. I found them the other day. I am not sure if they will ship but the prices look very good.
post #1683 of 17912
anyone know if there are any physical appearance differences in the s2 and the s3 speakers?
post #1684 of 17912
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Originally Posted by arochorn View Post

Hello everyone;

I am looking for a sub to go with a B&W 5.1 setup (CM7 x2, CM1 x2, CMC). I have been hearing that the B&W subs are not all that great, and that it's better to go with a different manufacturer for a sub with these speakers.

I am a newbie to the audiophile arena, so I thought I would reach out and see what recommendations other B&W owners might have on this, or what subs they are running with their B&W's. My preferences are for movie watching (90%), music (10%), and my area space is 12x16.

Thank you in advance for your time and feedback

I have the same dilemma..I have been told to buy the ASW 700, but it's pricey, and I think I can do better for the money. If anyone can tell me a great sub alternative to B&W ASW 700 for CM1's and CMC CWM 650 5.1, I would also be much appreciative.
post #1685 of 17912
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Originally Posted by LTCJack View Post

I have the same dilemma..I have been told to buy the ASW 700, but it's pricey, and I think I can do better for the money. If anyone can tell me a great sub alternative to B&W ASW 700 for CM1's and CMC CWM 650 5.1, I would also be much appreciative.

My SVS SB12Plus is a match made in heaven for the CM1's. The only way I'd buy the B&W 700 is if it cost *less* than the SB12, and that's not likely to happen. I think in every respect, the SB12 is very comparable to the ASW700 in both output and sound quality. If I were to spend more, I'd start looking at the Velodyne DD series.
post #1686 of 17912
Hey guys. i've got a friend (who's not an audio nut) asking about a recommendation for a stereo set up for about $2000. Which combination of BWs and (maybe) Rotel integrated would fit that range? Sorry I haven't kept up with the prices on the new speakers and never purchased a Rotel myself.

Thanks for any thoughts.
post #1687 of 17912
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Originally Posted by function12 View Post

Check out this Dealer. I found them the other day. I am not sure if they will ship but the prices look very good.

That was my dealer when I went to school in Iowa. They are really nice and cool there. I do not think that they will ship outside of Iowa though due to distribution agreements. Might wanna call and see though just to be sure, because I might be wrong.
post #1688 of 17912
Thread Starter 
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Hey guys. i've got a friend (who's not an audio nut) asking about a recommendation for a stereo set up for about $2000. Which combination of BWs and (maybe) Rotel integrated would fit that range? Sorry I haven't kept up with the prices on the new speakers and never purchased a Rotel myself.

RA1062 & 683's
post #1689 of 17912
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Originally Posted by warpdrive View Post

My SVS SB12Plus is a match made in heaven for the CM1's. The only way I'd buy the B&W 700 is if it cost *less* than the SB12, and that's not likely to happen. I think in every respect, the SB12 is very comparable to the ASW700 in both output and sound quality. If I were to spend more, I'd start looking at the Velodyne DD series.

I'm getting the CM1s and I've been eyeing the SB12Plus, so that's good to hear. I've got a small M&K push-pull sub already which sounds really good in my room, but it can struggle when trying to output info below 25Hz with authority. Any idea how low the SB reaches (with good volume) while remaining clean?

How close do you think the CM's wenge finish and the SB's rosenut finish are? If it'd look too weird, I'd probably just go with matte black for the SB.
post #1690 of 17912
I just became a B&W owner yesterday. Nothing spectacular, just a pair of LM1's and a single LCR60 to use as my center channel. Currently I'm using the LM1's for my fronts in a 5.1 setup, but I believe I will move them to the rear. Would it make sense to go with 2 more LCR60's for the front soundstage? Or should I look at something different from B&W there?
post #1691 of 17912
Question to any CM1 owners. I read they have threaded metal inserts on the bottom. Can anyone tell me how far apart those are, both width-wise, and front to back? Thanks.
post #1692 of 17912
OK i basically bought this set up,

without the sub though.
http://www.bowers-wilkins.com/displa...fid=2352&sc=ht

http://www.yamaha.com/yec/products/p...6&CTID=5000300

http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/vtf-3-mk3.html

how do you guys think it will all work together? I'm also using 12gauge speaker wire and a sub cable from magnolia (best buy). the suspense is killing me and i wont have everything together until the end of this week.

Funny side note,

i went into Tweeter yesterday looking for an optic cable. they didn't have the correct size i needed so i basically started going toward the door when the sales guy started asking me questions which lead to him stating i should "use digital coax because it will give you a huge jump in sound quality compared to an optic cable" then he goes on saying stuff like digital coax is the new connection and is far superior to optic. he even had the moxie to say it would give me better highs, mids, and lows.

how can this sales guy say this with a straight face. i even looked him directly in the eyes after he made this statement and i almost believed he actual believed what he was saying. this guy was the store manager and tweeter works off of commission. i once applied to tweeter and got rejected because "i knew to much about electronics and they want more sales oriented people". now i have sales experience and have had success but tweeter basically didn't hire me because i knew to much about what they wanted me to sell. they want guys who are willing to straight face lie just to get that sale done at the highest price possible rather then someone who can actualy sit with a customer and help them decide what they need. so those who shop at tweeter watch out because these guys care more about their wallet then helping you.
post #1693 of 17912
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Originally Posted by Pibbo View Post

I'm getting the CM1s and I've been eyeing the SB12Plus, so that's good to hear. I've got a small M&K push-pull sub already which sounds really good in my room, but it can struggle when trying to output info below 25Hz with authority. Any idea how low the SB reaches (with good volume) while remaining clean?

How close do you think the CM's wenge finish and the SB's rosenut finish are? If it'd look too weird, I'd probably just go with matte black for the SB.

The SB12 doesn't really do much below 25Hz either. It starts dropping off there smoothly. It's down about -10dB at 18Hz in my room. It can fill my 18 x 14 room with loud enough volume to enjoy any music or movies (typically peaks of up to 95dB in room)

The Rosenut will not match the Wenge. It's just too light and reddish. I chose the Piano black
http://gallery.avsforum.com/data/502/systemxbr.jpg
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For What It Is Worth: Your honesty and integrity put a BIG smile on me face~
..Mark

SORRRY, some how this was suppose to be posted on another post as another response.
post #1695 of 17912
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Originally Posted by bboncorr1 View Post

OK i basically bought this set up,

without the sub though.
http://www.bowers-wilkins.com/displa...fid=2352&sc=ht

http://www.yamaha.com/yec/products/p...6&CTID=5000300

http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/vtf-3-mk3.html

how do you guys think it will all work together? I'm also using 12gauge speaker wire and a sub cable from magnolia (best buy). the suspense is killing me and i wont have everything together until the end of this week.

Funny side note,

i went into Tweeter yesterday looking for an optic cable. they didn't have the correct size i needed so i basically started going toward the door when the sales guy started asking me questions which lead to him stating i should "use digital coax because it will give you a huge jump in sound quality compared to an optic cable" then he goes on saying stuff like digital coax is the new connection and is far superior to optic. he even had the moxie to say it would give me better highs, mids, and lows.

It will work absolutely fine together. How good it sounds depends on one factor....how you place the speakers and your room acoustics. Your Yamaha has auto setup, but don't takes it's word as final on the settings, don't be afraid to change the recommended crossover setting and levels to suit your ears. If you have a sound meter, verify levels your listening positions.

Most people do say you should use coaxial cable. Optical cable has no real advantage and costs more. In fact, traditionally, optical outputs on many components has poorer jitter performance.

However, the whole idea of "digital coax" is completely snakeoil. Just use any 75ohm coax cable (any composite video cable will do). In the end, coax is practically free and works just as well.
post #1696 of 17912
Thread Starter 
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"use digital coax because it will give you a huge jump in sound quality compared to an optic cable"

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In fact, traditionally, optical outputs on many components has poorer jitter performance.

Plus the inherent possibility of loss when translating between optical and electrical in the interfaces.
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Just use any 75ohm coax cable (any composite video cable will do).

As long as it's decently made and somewhat sheilded, but there are many, many such cables that are and that are VERY inexpensive.
post #1697 of 17912
I've always used coax whenever possible simply because it's a beefier connection. They've both worked fine in my systems.

Looks like a nice system you put together, enjoy it.
post #1698 of 17912
On the other hand, optical is perfect if you want electrical separation between say a computer system in one room and the reciever in another room as two rooms on different circuits may not neccesarily have the exact same ground. Also, pulling a 25 meter coaxial isnt really what i call fun.

So they both have their uses. And most recievers reclock the material that comes over toslink anyway so that cuts down abit on potential problems.
post #1699 of 17912
You know I just realized I don't know exactly what finish the CM1s I'm getting are. I've assumed wenge, but I looked again and the listing doesn't actually say. There's a picture, but I can't quite tell. It looks like it could be wenge, but it also looks kinda like rosenut.

I didn't know eBay urls weren't allowed. Here's the image:



edit: The seller responded. They ARE wenge. I guess the picture was making them look a little lighter than normal.
post #1700 of 17912
Just wanted to bump and say HOORAY THE CM1s ARRIVED THIS MORNING!

They were extremely well packed and look pretty much flawless (only a couple light scratches on the bottom of them, which doesn't matter anyway). The wenge finish is gorgeous. The B&W stands I got are a little wider than the speakers. Oh well, I don't notice it.

Anyway, they sound fantastic. They are definitely less efficient than my last speakers (91dB vs 86dB I think ) but it's no problem as my RB-980BX has plenty of power at 120 wpc.

I'm so happy!

edit: Oh, my camera is dead atm so I got a crappy cell phone pic.



edit2: They're about 1.5' from the back wall, with the port plugs in. Got my MX-70 crossed over at 70Hz, and that seems to integrate the best. Also, toed in about 15 degrees.

edit3: My God the detail! It is truly astounding. I'm hearing things that I didn't notice with my C-9s or even my DT-880s in the case of low mid or upper bass detail. And it's presented so naturally, not shoved in your face at all like my Energys did occasionally. I know I've heard the CM1s a good deal already in the local hi-fi shop, but there's something about them being MINE in my own room that makes it so much better.
post #1701 of 17912
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Originally Posted by Pibbo View Post


edit3: My God the detail! It is truly astounding. I'm hearing things that I didn't notice with my C-9s or even my DT-880s in the case of low mid or upper bass detail. And it's presented so naturally, not shoved in your face at all like my Energys did occasionally. I know I've heard the CM1s a good deal already in the local hi-fi shop, but there's something about them being MINE in my own room that makes it so much better.

I just today decided to pick up a pair of CM1's myself. They are absolutely amazing for the size of the speakers. I am completely blown away here. I've matched it with the CM Centre now and it's quite the experience.
post #1702 of 17912
Quick question. For B&W towers, they are packaged and serial numbered individually. I have seen pairs on Audiogon being advertised as "matched", essentially sequential serial numbers. Does B&W in fact in match pairs and/or is it important to have sequential serial numbers?
post #1703 of 17912
Bboncor the 683 is one I'm looking at I'd love to hear your impressions. I also have a yamaha reciever and just was curious. I'm completely jealous of that 3800.
post #1704 of 17912
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Originally Posted by remodeler View Post

Bboncor the 683 is one I'm looking at I'd love to hear your impressions. I also have a yamaha reciever and just was curious. I'm completely jealous of that 3800.

you think your jealous, i have had that thing sitting in my livingroom for over 2 weeks now and can't even use it. im jealous of myself at this point .

i'm hoping to have my speakers by tomorrow but im not too optomistic. the dealer told me it would be a few days, then it would be here on the 29th, then they tell me on the 29th that it would be longer and they hoped it would be shipped on the 29th. my HSU sub is in transit but should be here in a few days. anyone have a hsu sub? i have to run a 20' sub cable will that hurt the quality at all? im useing a rockfish sub cable.

i will post my impressions after a week of listening. i want to make sure i get past that omg this is the greatest thing since sliced bread phase. i will also let you know how they work with my hsu sub. im thinking im going to need some more power for this setup.
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Can I get an opinion from some of you experienced B&W folk? I am having a home theater installed in my basement in the next few weeks. Mitsubishi 6000 front projector, 106" Dragonfly screen B&W 704s, HTM7, four DS3s and two Revel Concerta B12 subs making up a 7.1 system. My basement has been finished with the Owens Corning system and so its like one giant acoustic treatment. Use will be 80% film and HD television viewing, 10% music listening, and 10% video game playing (X-Box 360 and or PS3). May I have some opinions on the speaker selections?
post #1706 of 17912
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Can I get an opinion from some of you experienced B&W folk? I am having a home theater installed in my basement in the next few weeks. Mitsubishi 6000 front projector, 106" Dragonfly screen B&W 704s, HTM7, four DS3s and two Revel Concerta B12 subs making up a 7.1 system. My basement has been finished with the Owens Corning system and so its like one giant acoustic treatment. Use will be 80% film and HD television viewing, 10% music listening, and 10% video game playing (X-Box 360 and or PS3). May I have some opinions on the speaker selections?

Sounds fantastic to me, but did you listen to the? Did you compare them to others in the same range? I'm a B&W dealer, but I always feel you need to hear speakers compared to others side by side to develop a frame of referance. That being said, I can't imagine that if you haven't heard anything better then you'll be exstatic with that set-up when it's up and running.
post #1707 of 17912
I did review them against the 600 series and the 800 series as well as a few other brands. I loved the depth. Dealer indicated that the HTM7 was a much better match with the 704s than with the 703s. I did not have the opportunity to review multiple center channels matched to the B&Ws. Would you agree with their assessment?
Dealer also recommended the Revel subs over the B&W for my use.
post #1708 of 17912
Can anyone tell me what is involved with servicing a pair of 802 Nautilus speakers and what I should expect to pay? One of the tweeters is in need of repair for sure.
Thanks!
post #1709 of 17912
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Originally Posted by JN99 View Post

Quick question. For B&W towers, they are packaged and serial numbered individually. I have seen pairs on Audiogon being advertised as "matched", essentially sequential serial numbers. Does B&W in fact in match pairs and/or is it important to have sequential serial numbers?

I don't know if it's really important or not, but if you get a pair of matching speakers with a real wood veneer, you'll see that it matches perfectly.

For example, my 703s are a sequential pair, and on close examination you can see that the veneer from one is taken from a wood layer immediately below the veneer used for the other. I didn't realize this till after I got them home - I didn't expect that they'd pay attention to this level of detail, but it sure looks gorgeous!

Bill
post #1710 of 17912
Oh no, my camera is charged!

I feel like such a whore for B&W but it's ok. I love these guys.









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