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post #2671 of 13871
5/16/08 at 1:06pm
I´m thinking about a new 5.1 speaker system for the TV room in my apartment.

Let me know what do you guys think of this config.

Fronts: B&W 705
Center: HTM7
Surrounds: B&W DS3

Powered by a Denon 3808CI as a pre and a Rotel 1075 amp (i already have this two). In the SW area maybe a SVS.

Thanks, it´s a small system sience i live in an apartment.
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post #2672 of 13871
5/16/08 at 6:45pm
If you like the sound sure. Add a sub to the above and you are golden. You should also compare it to the 685's if you already havent. Some people prefer those. I went with the 700-series and find it just fine.
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post #2673 of 13871
5/17/08 at 8:48am
I´ll demo de 685. I have a 5.1 set of M1 in my berdroom and they sound fantastic. Maybe the 685 are the same, small speakers but great sound.
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post #2674 of 13871
5/17/08 at 1:31pm
Just got the SCMS and these are amazing speakers!

I am using them as fronts for now until I can use my 803S and HTM3S when i move to my new place. If anyone is looking at getting rears, than take a close look at the SCMS as they are wonderful sounding speakers!
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post #2675 of 13871
5/17/08 at 6:25pm
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Originally Posted by Reid_T View Post

Try googling "speaker design insulation" (without quotes). You'll find a few things:
  • Wadding increases the apparent size of the box, thus improving the bass response (ie, your contractor is wrong)
  • Wadding also helps damp standing waves inside the box.
  • Normal fiberglass insulation (the pink stuff) is a good material to use and easy to find.
  • The consensus seems to be that you should fill about half the volume of the box, covering all the surfaces, but not touching the drivers.

I simply stapled insulation to all the walls and back of the enclosure. It takes so little for these speakers, I was able to just use some that was sitting around the attic. (Honestly, I'm not that cheap, but there was extra stuff sitting around *everywhere* in the attic, and since these were ceiling mounts, and I was in the attic anyway... )

-Reid


I went to home depot but the bags of the pink stuff were huge as heck. So I bought a roll of blue foamy stuff called "Sill Seal." I think it is used to seal windows. Could this stuff do the job??
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post #2676 of 13871
5/18/08 at 9:41am
why are the b&w ds3's so expensive?
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post #2677 of 13871
5/18/08 at 10:10am
Expensive compared to what?

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Originally Posted by artex4special View Post

why are the b&w ds3's so expensive?
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post #2678 of 13871
5/18/08 at 5:08pm
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Originally Posted by Jonomega View Post

Expensive compared to what?

i guess i am comparing them to the dm603 s3 or 685s. the build quality of the ds3 feels not on par with other products at that price range....
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post #2679 of 13871
5/18/08 at 5:49pm
So which is the better speaker....683'sr CM7's??? opinions please?
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post #2680 of 13871
5/18/08 at 6:12pm
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Originally Posted by artex4special View Post

i guess i am comparing them to the dm603 s3 or 685s. the build quality of the ds3 feels not on par with other products at that price range....

Ah, yeah, i dunno. I wouldnt choose that surround. It seems to not have the updated hardware either. I generally do not like the bipole speakers though...

Bigred7078: They are both good speakers. Depends on what your needs are. have you listened to either of them? I think they sound very different.
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post #2681 of 13871
5/18/08 at 7:56pm
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Ah, yeah, i dunno. I wouldnt choose that surround. It seems to not have the updated hardware either. I generally do not like the bipole speakers though...

Bigred7078: They are both good speakers. Depends on what your needs are. have you listened to either of them? I think they sound very different.

i have heard the 683's and liked them alot. What would you say the CM7's are best suited for? and the 683's?
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post #2682 of 13871
5/18/08 at 8:26pm
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Originally Posted by Jonomega View Post

Ah, yeah, i dunno. I wouldnt choose that surround. It seems to not have the updated hardware either. I generally do not like the bipole speakers though...

Bigred7078: They are both good speakers. Depends on what your needs are. have you listened to either of them? I think they sound very different.

upadated hardware?

Bigred7078: They are both good speakers. Depends on what your needs are. have you listened to either of them? I think they sound very different.[/quote]

i have heard the cm7's. an outstanding speaker for 2 channel. i personally prefer them over the 684.
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post #2683 of 13871
5/18/08 at 10:15pm
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Originally Posted by artex4special View Post

upadated hardware?

Bigred7078: They are both good speakers. Depends on what your needs are. have you listened to either of them? I think they sound very different.

i have heard the cm7's. an outstanding speaker for 2 channel. i personally prefer them over the 684.[/quote]

I didn't like the 684 that much, was quite lacking in the midrange. But the 683 is a different story. So have you heard the 683?
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post #2684 of 13871
5/19/08 at 7:07am
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I went to home depot but the bags of the pink stuff were huge as heck. So I bought a roll of blue foamy stuff called "Sill Seal." I think it is used to seal windows. Could this stuff do the job??

Honestly, I have no idea. I'd contact B&W - they were responsive to me, and they would be able to give you a definitive answer.
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post #2685 of 13871
5/19/08 at 8:32am
The DS-series of speaker do have 2 extra speaker elements compared to the normal speakers and also features some extra electronics and filter components to be able to switch between the different modes.

What the switch does really is to engage the side elements and a different set of filters set to different frequency-ranges while disabling the tweeter. So its really a two-in-one speaker being both a monopol and a dipol.

Although while the DS7 is in par with the 705 the DS3 seems to be abit above the 685.
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post #2686 of 13871
5/19/08 at 8:36am
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Originally Posted by artex4special View Post

upadated hardware?

Bigred7078: They are both good speakers. Depends on what your needs are. have you listened to either of them? I think they sound very different.

i have heard the cm7's. an outstanding speaker for 2 channel. i personally prefer them over the 684.[/quote]

The DS3 doesn't have the new tweeter that the rest of the speakers in the family have.

Both Cm7 and 683 were decent. The CM7 requires much more power to get to the same volume due to its lower sensitivity. To my ears, both had a bit too much mid-bass bloom. I didn't care for the looks of the 683, but the CM7 looked better to my eyes. Finally, the CM7 seemed to lack detail in the crossover region between the mid and tweeter.

finally, I dont like the MTM design of the CM-C. The 600 series offers a WTM design, which, when placed vertically sounded fine to me.
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post #2687 of 13871
5/19/08 at 10:56am
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Originally Posted by Aphasia View Post

The DS-series of speaker do have 2 extra speaker elements compared to the normal speakers and also features some extra electronics and filter components to be able to switch between the different modes.

What the switch does really is to engage the side elements and a different set of filters set to different frequency-ranges while disabling the tweeter. So its really a two-in-one speaker being both a monopol and a dipol.

Although while the DS7 is in par with the 705 the DS3 seems to be abit above the 685.

thanks for the info.... i am going to demo a pair for a few days, and decide which i will purchase. they just feel so cheap
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post #2688 of 13871
5/19/08 at 1:42pm
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Honestly, I have no idea. I'd contact B&W - they were responsive to me, and they would be able to give you a definitive answer.

I will make it a point to call them. Thanks.
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post #2689 of 13871
5/19/08 at 11:23pm
Just wanted to say I am a proud new owner of the 600 series setup. I purchased my setup about a month ago...


Speaker Setup:

B&W 683 Fronts
B&W htm61 Center
B&W DS3 Surronds

SVS PB-13 Subwoofer


Sound is amazing. Exactly what I was looking for in a speaker setup.

I hope to snap a few pics shortly!
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post #2690 of 13871
5/20/08 at 9:29am
I would like some "Live" reviews on the 685. I´m going to use them as fronts in a HT setup.
I have read a lot of good things about them but would like opinions from somebody who owns them or have auditioned the speakers.
Thank you guys.
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post #2691 of 13871
5/20/08 at 11:28am
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Originally Posted by Alfonso View Post

I would like some "Live" reviews on the 685. I´m going to use them as fronts in a HT setup.
I have read a lot of good things about them but would like opinions from somebody who owns them or have auditioned the speakers.
Thank you guys.

I love my 685's I run them crossover at 80hz with a svs pb-10 sub. I use them for 80% music and the rest T.V and DVD. On there own they sound good without a sub but it just won't hit the lower end like a bass guitar hard without the aid of a sub. I enjoyed the bookshelf sub combo over the 684, 683 and the CM7. My listening habits are broad and the 685 excel in reproducing all genre of music but jazz and classical and bluegrass sound AMAZING. Hope this helps.
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post #2692 of 13871
5/21/08 at 1:28pm
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Originally Posted by CJP0891 View Post

Just wanted to say I am a proud new owner of the 600 series setup. I purchased my setup about a month ago...


Speaker Setup:

B&W 683 Fronts
B&W htm61 Center
B&W DS3 Surronds

SVS PB-13 Subwoofer


Sound is amazing. Exactly what I was looking for in a speaker setup.

I hope to snap a few pics shortly!

how are the ds3?
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post #2693 of 13871
5/21/08 at 6:23pm
How about the DS3's? That is the question isn't it. I have a similar setup:

683 front
htm61 center
asw675 sub
ds3 surround

driven by Rotel 1067 in a 13X15 room.

I L-O-V-E my little "man-cave" as described by my loving spouse, but sometimes it seems like there is never any sound coming out of those ds3's. But that is probably the point...I don't "notice" them, but they are there as I am absolutely "surrounded" by sound. For you Blu-Ray owners...try that opening scene in "Swordfish" Travolta is whispering, so you have to pump the sound, before you know it, the bomb goes off, the whole house shakes, and the neighbors are calling Home Land Security due to a suspected terrorist attack. Sweet stuff.

Anyway, when I switch the main channels to the ds3's...they are truly wonderful speakers! Most surround systems are only sending a fraction of the power to the surrounds, so they will "blend" into the background which is really what they are supposed to do...it's just a lot of coin for "background."

In the end...I toggled by 683's down a tad and pushed the ds3's up a bit. The 683's are B-I-G...especially for that size room...still a happy customer though.

Still...pick the speaker that sounds best to you. Give it a some time for break-in, and you too will have a rockin' cool "man-cave."
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post #2694 of 13871
5/21/08 at 8:32pm
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Originally Posted by crynear View Post

How about the DS3's? That is the question isn't it. I have a similar setup:

683 front
htm61 center
asw675 sub
ds3 surround

driven by Rotel 1067 in a 13X15 room.

I L-O-V-E my little "man-cave" as described by my loving spouse, but sometimes it seems like there is never any sound coming out of those ds3's. But that is probably the point...I don't "notice" them, but they are there as I am absolutely "surrounded" by sound. For you Blu-Ray owners...try that opening scene in "Swordfish" Travolta is whispering, so you have to pump the sound, before you know it, the bomb goes off, the whole house shakes, and the neighbors are calling Home Land Security due to a suspected terrorist attack. Sweet stuff.

Anyway, when I switch the main channels to the ds3's...they are truly wonderful speakers! Most surround systems are only sending a fraction of the power to the surrounds, so they will "blend" into the background which is really what they are supposed to do...it's just a lot of coin for "background."

In the end...I toggled by 683's down a tad and pushed the ds3's up a bit. The 683's are B-I-G...especially for that size room...still a happy customer though.

Still...pick the speaker that sounds best to you. Give it a some time for break-in, and you too will have a rockin' cool "man-cave."

what are your settings on your rotel????
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post #2695 of 13871
5/21/08 at 11:43pm
i demoed some CM7's today, and i was just not impressed. Way to recessed for me and there was just no "kick" to them. I listend to them on an Integra receiver, Rotel separates, and a McIntosh inegrated amp. The McIntish sounded the best, but the CM7's just did not do it for me. I was dissapointed because i heard the 683's and was very impressed and just figured the CM7's to be the better speaker. I also listened to some 704's and they were pretty impressive. The highs and midrange were remarkable, but again the low end kick was not there, but no deal breaker. The 705's with a sub were actually pretty darn good. I have to do some thinking now if i want/can actually spend the money for the 700 series. What kind of deal should i get for the 683's and 704's (or even the 705's)? If a PM is better suited i would appreciate that as well. Thanks!
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post #2696 of 13871
5/22/08 at 9:32am
I thought the 704 had a pretty decent bottom, although its not boomy or slamming in any way its quite articulate and produces a very decent bottom when run on something like the "Flight of the cosmic hippo". Although one must take care with the room.
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post #2697 of 13871
5/22/08 at 12:48pm
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i demoed some CM7's today, and i was just not impressed. Way to recessed for me and there was just no "kick" to them. I listend to them on an Integra receiver, Rotel separates, and a McIntosh inegrated amp. The McIntish sounded the best, but the CM7's just did not do it for me. I was dissapointed because i heard the 683's and was very impressed and just figured the CM7's to be the better speaker. I also listened to some 704's and they were pretty impressive. The highs and midrange were remarkable, but again the low end kick was not there, but no deal breaker. The 705's with a sub were actually pretty darn good. I have to do some thinking now if i want/can actually spend the money for the 700 series. What kind of deal should i get for the 683's and 704's (or even the 705's)? If a PM is better suited i would appreciate that as well. Thanks!

Go with whatever you think sounds best, but you might also try the 804S if they're not too much out-of-budget.
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post #2698 of 13871
5/22/08 at 3:51pm
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Originally Posted by Aphasia View Post

I thought the 704 had a pretty decent bottom, although its not boomy or slamming in any way its quite articulate and produces a very decent bottom when run on something like the "Flight of the cosmic hippo". Although one must take care with the room.

I have the 704's with an M&K V-75 Mk.IV sub, and the crossover is set at 60 Hz. In my listening room there is plenty of articulate, musical bass with this combination. Without the sub, I felt like on a plucked acoustic bass, I was hearing mostly overtones and there was no feeling that the bass player was in the room with me--it was like I was watching the performance through a window.
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post #2699 of 13871
5/22/08 at 5:08pm
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I have the 704's with an M&K V-75 Mk.IV sub, and the crossover is set at 60 Hz. In my listening room there is plenty of articulate, musical bass with this combination. Without the sub, I felt like on a plucked acoustic bass, I was hearing mostly overtones and there was no feeling that the bass player was in the room with me--it was like I was watching the performance through a window.

THAT IS EXACTLY HOW I FELT!!! great example!!! I love that speaker, i just think it really needs a sub.
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post #2700 of 13871
5/22/08 at 5:08pm
sooo does anyone have any idea what kind of deal i should get on either a 683 or a 704?
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