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post #2791 of 17813
So you have it connected as per page 17 of the manual? I don't think there is a setting for using an external amp, it should work regardless

Are you using the Trigger connection, if not, then for your Rotel, you should probably have the Trigger switch at the back OFF
post #2792 of 17813
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Originally Posted by warpdrive View Post

So you have it connected as per page 17 of the manual? I don't think there is a setting for using an external amp, it should work regardless

Are you using the Trigger connection, if not, then for your Rotel, you should probably have the Trigger switch at the back OFF

I am not using the trigger connection. I believe the trigger switch was off. I am completely flabbergasted.
post #2793 of 17813
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Originally Posted by warpdrive View Post

So you have it connected as per page 17 of the manual? I don't think there is a setting for using an external amp, it should work regardless

Are you using the Trigger connection, if not, then for your Rotel, you should probably have the Trigger switch at the back OFF

Trigger switch was on. I turned it off, and I have sound now.

What's the trigger switch for?
post #2794 of 17813
The use of the trigger function will turn on the amplifier when you turn on the reciever.

It works like this. You have a trigger output on the 3808CI, and you have a trigger input on the RMB-1075(i guess it is). If you connect it with a 3.5mm phono cable and put the switch to on, the Amplifier will stay off until it senses a 12v input on the trigger connection. When you turn on the reciever it outputs a 12v signal on the trigger, thus powering up the amplifier together with the reciever without the need for any further manual button-mashing.

I use it on my RB-1080, which is just dandy. You can also use it for more esoteric things. I have a trigger input on my B&W DS7 surround speakers. Using the software for my reciever i could make it output 12v on the second trigger in movie-modes, thus having the speakers in dipole mode on movies, and monopole mode when using the reciever music modes for multichannel music. All without having to flip the switches on the speakers.
post #2795 of 17813
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Originally Posted by Aphasia View Post

The use of the trigger function will turn on the amplifier when you turn on the reciever.

It works like this. You have a trigger output on the 3808CI, and you have a trigger input on the RMB-1075(i guess it is). If you connect it with a 3.5mm phono cable and put the switch to on, the Amplifier will stay off until it senses a 12v input on the trigger connection. When you turn on the reciever it outputs a 12v signal on the trigger, thus powering up the amplifier together with the reciever without the need for any further manual button-mashing.

I use it on my RB-1080, which is just dandy. You can also use it for more esoteric things. I have a trigger input on my B&W DS7 surround speakers. Using the software for my reciever i could make it output 12v on the second trigger in movie-modes, thus having the speakers in dipole mode on movies, and monopole mode when using the reciever music modes for multichannel music. All without having to flip the switches on the speakers.

Thanks
post #2796 of 17813
so heres my current setup


i am debating on which positioning would be better for the mains. do i leave them far apart like they are or do i put them closer together. what im thinking is that if i place them closer together like next to the screen that they will be too close and i will loose a wide sound stage
post #2797 of 17813
I would move the sub to one corner and the Rack to the other, then place the speakers at the same distance from the tv, plus move them a little forward. That´s the way i see it...
post #2798 of 17813
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Originally Posted by Alfonso View Post

I would move the sub to one corner and the Rack to the other, then place the speakers at the same distance from the tv, plus move them a little forward. That´s the way i see it...

Good suggestions. I would also add some absorbtion panels on the side-walls to grab the first reflections.
post #2799 of 17813
Weird thing happened to me a couple of days ago. I managed to get the safety to trigger on my ASW750 subwoofer. Yes, thats right, the 1000w d-amp trigger the protection shutdown. The volume goes from ~7 to 5 and i have mine at half past 9 or so. That is, not alot. And the Yamaha YPAO has also placed the sub at -5db compared to the rest. Its a pretty normal living room in a normal apartment.

Had the volume on the amp turned about normal for good movie watching, and when the title sequence on the movie Serenity came on, where they fall down through the atmosphere, just about where that piece breaks off the ship, i heard a thud/pop weird kindof sound and all the LFE just dissappeared.

Turned off the sub, lowered the volume ~6db and turned it on again and reran the sequence, sure enough, the cone jumped around as a water drop on a hot plate. That sequence has some decently loud LFE. And the sub barely moves at most films at the same volume.
post #2800 of 17813
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post #2801 of 17813
ssabripro,
Thanks for sharing,

Those pics/equip are something else. HFS---ENJOY~
..Mark
post #2802 of 17813
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Originally Posted by ssabripo View Post

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Why are you using an HTM1 center with 802D speakers?
Can you hear the difference in the tweeter?
post #2803 of 17813
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Originally Posted by FAUguy View Post

Why are you using an HTM1 center with 802D speakers?
Can you hear the difference in the tweeter?

I'm using N802's.....not 802D's. Same tweeter
post #2804 of 17813
ssabripo,

daaaaaaaamn! nice change with the center channel! How do you like it compared to your older DIY? You still have Swans holding up the back? And how Bada$$ is the pass labs amp?

bigred
post #2805 of 17813
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Originally Posted by Bigred7078 View Post

ssabripo,

daaaaaaaamn! nice change with the center channel! How do you like it compared to your older DIY? You still have Swans holding up the back? And how Bada$$ is the pass labs amp?

bigred

yes, the center channel is pretty good. Honestly, I think the DIY one was slightly more dynamic with better sound staging, but nonetheless, the HTM1 is better looking and sounds superb as well. Just looks better with my system.

the Swans are still holding rear duties, and doing a superb job.

the pass labs? It is by far the best amp money can buy, bang for buck! It is a phenomenal piece, with such transparency and an airy feel to it, you cannot describe..you just have to hear. THere is so much power reserves in this thing, that it doesn't break a sweat even in the hardest passages.

Yes, it is not a cheap amp by no means, but for those looking for a dedicated 2-channel amplifier, pass labs should be on your very VERY short list.
post #2806 of 17813
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Originally Posted by ssabripo View Post

some updates:


what is that tv stand/horizontal audio rack, it looks nice! how is the airflow in those things? do you have a fan in it to draw out air?

btw very nice setup, i may have to get rid of my audio rack and go horizontal

and what size is your plasma
post #2807 of 17813
ssabripo,
looking really beautiful, the 802 and higher to my mind are ageless and will still look stunning 10+ years from now in most rooms.

To me, it emphasises that music is meant to be emotional.

Enjoy
DT
post #2808 of 17813
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Originally Posted by techtvman View Post

so heres my current setup


It might help changing out the couch. The one you have in there looks too large for the space and might be affecting your right main. Maybe two smaller couches or chair/couch that would give some space between HT fronts and seating?
post #2809 of 17813
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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

Good suggestions. I would also add some absorbtion panels on the side-walls to grab the first reflections.

I agree. I would add that the sub might actually sound better if stuck in the corner - they like being by walls unlike most speakers. So at the very least you ought to swap the sub with the right speaker.

-Reid
post #2810 of 17813
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Originally Posted by techtvman View Post

what is that tv stand/horizontal audio rack, it looks nice! how is the airflow in those things? do you have a fan in it to draw out air?

btw very nice setup, i may have to get rid of my audio rack and go horizontal

and what size is your plasma

The stand is the StudioTech U-22T....a bit pricey, but it is built like a tank! I've got probably 300lbs of equipment on it, and it doesn't faze it at all. incredible looks, holds tons of equipment, and has great ventilation:


goto Studiotech and you can see all the sizes, accessories, etc.

the Plasma is the Pioneer Elite 50"....wish I had the 60", but it does the job.

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Originally Posted by DulcetTones View Post

ssabripo,
looking really beautiful, the 802 and higher to my mind are ageless and will still look stunning 10+ years from now in most rooms.

To me, it emphasises that music is meant to be emotional.

Enjoy
DT

yes indeed.

I've heard better speakers, such as the Avalon Eidolon, Von Schweikert VR5 Sr, etc, but honestly, the Nautilus 802/801/800 is just a timeless classic! Looks incredible, sounds incredible, and will still be a force in 10 years.

I'm happy with them.
post #2811 of 17813
wow you arent kidding, that is expensive dang. i was thinking about getting one since it matches the cherry wood of the B&Ws and i have the same color on my 683s but thats too much
post #2812 of 17813
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Originally Posted by Reid_T View Post

I agree. I would add that the sub might actually sound better if stuck in the corner - they like being by walls unlike most speakers. So at the very least you ought to swap the sub with the right speaker.

-Reid

i thought the opposite that you werent supposed to put subs in corners because it makes them sound boomy
post #2813 of 17813
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Originally Posted by ssabripo View Post

The stand is the StudioTech U-22T....a bit pricey, but it is built like a tank! I've got probably 300lbs of equipment on it, and it doesn't faze it at all. incredible looks, holds tons of equipment, and has great ventilation

wow, is this your secondary set-up? cool! I notice you're using a Denon DVD-3930CI (I love mine for music- CD, SACD, DVD-A).........
post #2814 of 17813
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Originally Posted by techtvman View Post

i thought the opposite that you werent supposed to put subs in corners because it makes them sound boomy

It could be. My understanding is that its very room-dependent, so its worthwhile to experiment. I've played with mine a bit, and found very different results in different parts of the room. In my case, anyway, I've found that front-and-center is about the worst place to put it.

But it seems to me the #1 priority would be to get that tower out of the corner.

-Reid
post #2815 of 17813
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Originally Posted by Reid_T View Post

But it seems to me the #1 priority would be to get that tower out of the corner.

-Reid

I agree - I think that should be a much higher priority than finding the optimum sub location.

In my HT, the sub works well next to a side wall. I also had it behind the couch (ie behind the listeners) and it was pretty good there, too.
post #2816 of 17813
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Originally Posted by Aphasia View Post

Weird thing happened to me a couple of days ago. I managed to get the safety to trigger on my ASW750 subwoofer. Yes, thats right, the 1000w d-amp trigger the protection shutdown. The volume goes from ~7 to 5 and i have mine at half past 9 or so. That is, not alot. And the Yamaha YPAO has also placed the sub at -5db compared to the rest. Its a pretty normal living room in a normal apartment.

Had the volume on the amp turned about normal for good movie watching, and when the title sequence on the movie Serenity came on, where they fall down through the atmosphere, just about where that piece breaks off the ship, i heard a thud/pop weird kindof sound and all the LFE just dissappeared.

Turned off the sub, lowered the volume ~6db and turned it on again and reran the sequence, sure enough, the cone jumped around as a water drop on a hot plate. That sequence has some decently loud LFE. And the sub barely moves at most films at the same volume.

I was intriguied, so I poped Serenity into the DVD, took the cover off the sub. Nothing unusual. Cranked the sub almost to max...more LFE, but no jumping cones. Jumped forward to the end when they are weaving in and out of the ships before crash landing. That section seems to be heavier on the LFE, but still not as you describe it. You might have a bum copy. I have a Scott Joplin CD that's a generally wonderful recording, except this one section where the LFE starts acting up like some kind of earth quake in the back of the room.

Front: B&W 683’s
Center: B&W HTM 61
Surround: 4 B&W DS3
Sub: B&W ASW675
Rotel 7 ch 1067
post #2817 of 17813
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Originally Posted by crynear View Post

Front: B&W 683's
Center: B&W HTM 61
Surround: 4 B&W DS3
Sub: B&W ASW675
Rotel 7 ch 1067

I see that you have the DS3s. How do you like them? Also where are they deployed in terms of your seating and the walls?

Currently, my set up is:
Front: B&W 604-3s
Center B&W LCR600
Surround: Hsu STF-3
Rears: Lafayette -Criterion 50 (40 year old 3-way on floor in each corner)
Harman/Karman 7200 AVR

Considering adding the the DS3s to either replace the current rears or conceivably having both with the DS3s raised in the corners above the 50s.

Unfortunately due to my having doorways on the rear wall at the point/adjacent to the 50s, the only option for the DS3s are above the entrances.


...Mark
post #2818 of 17813
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Originally Posted by crynear View Post

I was intriguied, so I poped Serenity into the DVD, took the cover off the sub. Nothing unusual. Cranked the sub almost to max...more LFE, but no jumping cones. Jumped forward to the end when they are weaving in and out of the ships before crash landing. That section seems to be heavier on the LFE, but still not as you describe it. You might have a bum copy. I have a Scott Joplin CD that's a generally wonderful recording, except this one section where the LFE starts acting up like some kind of earth quake in the back of the room.

Even on rather low volume i get a pretty bit of excursion on that particular sequence. It is exactly at 3rd chapter, at 9:42 to ~9:59. Get a peak at the beginning and at the end. I get about as much extension at the scene in the end though but with shorter times of excursion.

What version do you have. My version is the PAL-version with region 2 and 5. Im thinking that it may be either of these things...

I may have some kind of of "weak spot" with regards to a resonant frequency for the sub, because i had a hard time getting the exact moment if i didnt play a few seconds in advance, but it might be that i just missed it being tired.

Or it is that the movie is just mixed at that much of a higher level. It has decent LFE output throughout the movie, but it also has some extremes. But what i gather when i sit and just watch it and take the overall volume into account, i need to have the volume at least 6 db lower and perhaps 10db lower then say, Transformers or comparable action movie for the same sound output. The next time i view a movie and its not in the middle of the night i might take a look exactly how much difference there is.
post #2819 of 17813
heres my updated pix, i have moved around the speakers and av rack, don't mind the wire mess in the background its temp for now, i think i would be better off with a horizontal av rack/tv stand.







next up is playing with couch locations.

let me know what you think.
post #2820 of 17813
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Originally Posted by ssabripo View Post

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Hi Sherv,

That is about as nice a front sound stage as I have seen. Your LCR, Av cabinet, amp and and plasma are just VERY VERY cool. Now, if you only had a sub.
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