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post #4801 of 17845
Hi guys,

thanks for all the replies. If I do go for the 803D's, which center and woofer should I pair it up with? Also, like i asked in the previous post, will my marantz mm8003 amp be able to handle it?

Thanks
post #4802 of 17845
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Originally Posted by kma259 View Post

Hi guys,

thanks for all the replies. If I do go for the 803D's, which center and woofer should I pair it up with? Also, like i asked in the previous post, will my marantz mm8003 amp be able to handle it?

Thanks

Let's put it this way, you won't be disappointed. It's a solid component with some great speakers...nothing but good things will come of this. If you are comparing the 803d/marantz combo to an 803d/classe or macintosh combo may not compare as well, but the classe or mac is some serious coin.
post #4803 of 17845
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Originally Posted by kma259 View Post

Hi guys,

thanks for all the replies. If I do go for the 803D's, which center and woofer should I pair it up with? Also, like i asked in the previous post, will my marantz mm8003 amp be able to handle it?

Thanks

Oh yeah, htm2d center and asw855 sub, but that totally blows your budget. Those 803d's are not at all wimpy in the bass department, so I would imagine that you could "get by" without a sub for a while.
post #4804 of 17845
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Originally Posted by crynear View Post

Oh yeah, htm2d center and asw855 sub, but that totally blows your budget. Those 803d's are not at all wimpy in the bass department, so I would imagine that you could "get by" without a sub for a while.

Since I do not have any walls to mount my rears with, what rears would you recommend that are free standing?

Thanks
post #4805 of 17845
I have not heard these exact pair of speakers but have heard several other B&W speakers and really like the sound. I have an opportunity to get a used pair of these speakers delivered for about $500.

I plan on using them in my HT along with a sub. I am looking for a warm crisp sound..... can someone describe the sound of these speakers? How do you like them? I will be using a yamaha receiver pushing a rate 130 watts per channel.... but I don't listen to HT screaming loud anyways. Just looking for a crisp sound with lots of depth.

Thanks
post #4806 of 17845
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Originally Posted by chunkisagoonie View Post

Very cool. But as a B&W dealer of the past, I've always thought that the HTM7 was the Achilles' Heel of the 700 Series. It's a fine center when mated to 705's as the mains, but it simply just can't keep up the 703/704 floorstanders.

This is what I've been saying for years. Actually I said it in this thread in post #4723.
I guess B&W didn't learn their lesson from the NT series that the 700 series replaced.
I own the CDM 9NTs (which the 703s replaced) and a CNT (which the HTM7 replaced) and I have the same complaint: the towers are GREAT! and the center is OK but it just can't keep up.
If I ever save up enough pennies I'll get an HTM3S (from the 800 series) and call it a day.
post #4807 of 17845
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Originally Posted by kma259 View Post

Hi guys,

thanks for all the replies. If I do go for the 803D's, which center and woofer should I pair it up with?

Definitely the HTM2D.
Again I have no idea 'bout B&W subs.
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Also, like i asked in the previous post, will my marantz mm8003 amp be able to handle it?

Your amp should be just fine unless you listen at ear-splitting levels.
post #4808 of 17845
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Originally Posted by kma259 View Post

Since I do not have any walls to mount my rears with, what rears would you recommend that are free standing?

If you want to stick with 800s all around, get yourself a pair of 805s and stick 'em on some stands. Like so:

Personally, I think spending almost $3K on surrounds (and stands) is a little ridiculous.
I'd go for a pair of 685s and be done:
post #4809 of 17845
How about a Marantz MA-700 monoblock power (200w @ 8ohms) to push some 704s or 705s against Rotel RB1070 or RB1080 ?

I know MA700 is an old power, but i have a opportunity to buy at a good price.

I need some advice if MA700 is a good choice or is better go with Rotel.

Thanks.
post #4810 of 17845
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If I ever save up enough pennies I'll get an HTM3S (from the 800 series) and call it a day.

Yeah, some of my clients have actually done that in the past with their 703/704 systems: replace the inadequate HTM7 with the HTM3S. It's not a perfect match, but it's strong center channel nonetheless.

I keep wondering though how well a CM Centre 2 would do with a pair of 703s... I haven't been in the business for over a year, so I can't say I've ever heard this larger CM Series center...
post #4811 of 17845
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Originally Posted by Big L View Post

If you want to stick with 800s all around, get yourself a pair of 805s and stick 'em on some stands. Like so:

Personally, I think spending almost $3K on surrounds (and stands) is a little ridiculous.
I'd go for a pair of 685s and be done:

Took the words right out of my mouth. Some might actually steer you to the 804S for the surrounds...IMO that is way too much. Those 804s's are really incredible and yes, it would be a shame to put them in the rear and send them way less power than they can handle...but they'll sound great (in the proper position). There are some pictures where the surrounds are right behind the listening position...try to avoid that, especially if you are dropping that much moola.
post #4812 of 17845
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Originally Posted by Reid_T View Post

I agree, its still a bit weak - I use it with 703's. I was just surprised how much better it got with a very minor tilt.

- - -

-Reid

What crossover have you set for the center. With my old Yamaha receiver, it was too little, but the new Denon i got sets it individually. And the HTM7 does alot better getting more range to it actually. It was a rather large difference. Still not mathing the 703, but better then before.



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Originally Posted by chunkisagoonie View Post

Yeah, some of my clients have actually done that in the past with their 703/704 systems: replace the inadequate HTM7 with the HTM3S. It's not a perfect match, but it's strong center channel nonetheless.

I keep wondering though how well a CM Centre 2 would do with a pair of 703s... I haven't been in the business for over a year, so I can't say I've ever heard this larger CM Series center...

++ I've thought of both of the above choices several times.
post #4813 of 17845
I can post in this thread, now, because I bought a pair of CM7s and a CM Center today. I auditioned both 600 series towers and the CM7. The differences between the three I found substantial. The stereo image produced by the CM7s was much clearer than either 600 series. When I added the CM center channel on two-channel stereo, I couldn't even hear it. The stereo image being produced was so compete, it didn't need a center channel, and the CM center is so well matched to the CM7s, it disappeared.

When we changed over to cinema, I could clearly hear every word from center channel dialogue, even with all the explosions from Transformers. So I am pleased to have joined the B&W family, and look forward to many hours of listening pleasure.
post #4814 of 17845
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Originally Posted by chunkisagoonie View Post

I keep wondering though how well a CM Centre 2 would do with a pair of 703s...

Since reading your post, I wonder how the CM Centre 2 would match up with my 9NTs...
At less than half price of the HTM3S, it's a very attractive alternative. Provided it sounds good and it timber-matches the 9NTs/703s, of course.
When the time comes I'm going to try and give this center a listen.

PS Does anyone around these parts own a CM Centre 2? I'd love to hear your input.
Or even someone that auditioned one.
post #4815 of 17845
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Originally Posted by stepmback View Post

I have not heard these exact pair of speakers but have heard several other B&W speakers and really like the sound. I have an opportunity to get a used pair of these speakers delivered for about $500.

I plan on using them in my HT along with a sub. I am looking for a warm crisp sound..... can someone describe the sound of these speakers? How do you like them? I will be using a yamaha receiver pushing a rate 130 watts per channel.... but I don't listen to HT screaming loud anyways. Just looking for a crisp sound with lots of depth.

Thanks

Do you know the series of these 603's i.e., Series 1, 2 or 3?. They may be a good deal for your HT application, if they are in good condition. Compared to some of the 800 series speakers, I would say that they have a slightly less "bright" sound, but they still have very good highs. The rectangular enclosures do cause a slight amount of coloration in the lower midrange/upper bass region, but I think that is almost inevitable, without going to the much more expensive curved geometry used in the 800 series cabinets.

One impressive strength of these speakers, however is that you can play them "screaming loud" without any trace of strain or distortion. But, you definiteley will need a subwoofer with these in an HT application, since they are a bit "bass-challenged" by themselves.
post #4816 of 17845
sorry, this is a bit of an off-topic/throwaway post, but a few months ago i got a pair DM602.5's and im still constantly impressed. ive finally realized the difference between a tuned port and a "hole in the speaker", and the true meaning of quality vs quantity. man, i love my B&W's... and so do all my friends!

i guess there is a question i can ask though; im in the process of upgrading the rest of my system, and ive been looking at Rotel amps. it seems like the going used price on audiogon for the RMB-1075 (5X120W) is $500. assuming thats the top of my budget, can i do much better? obviously, i am open to used or new. thanks!

EDIT: system will be for both HT and 2ch. listen to lots of music, so 2CH is primary concern, but for now i only have the money/room for one system, and id like 5.1 sound too
post #4817 of 17845
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Originally Posted by Aphasia View Post

What crossover have you set for the center. With my old Yamaha receiver, it was too little, but the new Denon i got sets it individually. And the HTM7 does alot better getting more range to it actually. It was a rather large difference. Still not mathing the 703, but better then before.



++ I've thought of both of the above choices several times.

so what is the crossover that you use for the 703s and htm7?
post #4818 of 17845
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Originally Posted by aquaphile View Post

sorry, this is a bit of an off-topic/throwaway post, but a few months ago i got a pair DM602.5's and im still constantly impressed. ive finally realized the difference between a tuned port and a "hole in the speaker", and the true meaning of quality vs quantity. man, i love my B&W's... and so do all my friends!

i guess there is a question i can ask though; im in the process of upgrading the rest of my system, and ive been looking at Rotel amps. it seems like the going used price on audiogon for the RMB-1075 (5X120W) is $500. assuming thats the top of my budget, can i do much better? obviously, i am open to used or new. thanks!

EDIT: system will be for both HT and 2ch. listen to lots of music, so 2CH is primary concern, but for now i only have the money/room for one system, and id like 5.1 sound too


If 2 channel is your primary concern I would get a nice 2 channel amp and just use your receiver to power the rest. Power is power, i.e. 120W from Rotel is going to sound the Same as 120W from Yamaha or 120W from Onkyo.

Why not go with something like the Behringer EP4000 for $350? It may not look as cool as the Rotel, but as far as price/performance is concerned it's far superior. You get 2 x 1,400W into 4 Ohms for $350. The only problem may be when you are listening at very quit levels you may be able to hear the fan unit in it.

There are fan mods that you can do to eliminate the sound if you are up to it though. If you don't wan't to have to mess with the fan, and want something that looks a little nicer, but will still significantly outperform the Rotel for less $$$, look into the Behringer A500 Reference Player. It will deliver 2 x 250W into 4 ohms. It should out-perform the Rotel Amp in every way except aesthetics for 2 channel sound, and it can be had for a mere $130.

Like I said, these amps don't look as shiny and pristine as the Rotel, but if sound is your primary concern, the decision should be easy.
post #4819 of 17845
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Originally Posted by Phil Tomaskovic View Post

so what is the crossover that you use for the 703s and htm7?

In The Audyssey setup the following is set.
Subwoofer mode is set to LFE and all speakers are set to small

Advanced crossover:
Front(703) - 40Hz
Center(HTM7) - 60Hz
Surround (ds7) - 80Hz
Surround Back(685) - 40Hz
LFE - 80Hz
post #4820 of 17845
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Originally Posted by aquaphile View Post

ive been looking at Rotel amps. it seems like the going used price on audiogon for the RMB-1075 (5X120W) is $500. assuming thats the top of my budget, can i do much better? obviously, i am open to used or new. thanks!

I have an RMB-1075 and it's a great amp. It drives my CDM 9NTs and CNTs (and SNTs, when I had those hooked up) effortlessly. For $500 (half of what I paid brand new ~6 years ago) I'd recommend one unequivocally.
However, if I were shopping for an amp today, I'd pick up Emotiva's XPA-5. It's $800 (+ $25 shipping) but it looks to be a beast. I know it's over your budget, I'm just sayin'.
Otherwise, I'd look into pro audio equipment. I'm becoming increasingly interested in Behringer's offerings. You just can't beat PA on a dollar-to-watt ratio.
You can pick up a 2-channel EP1500 (260WPC @ 8 Ohms) for ~$250. You just have to worry about fan noise.

Good luck.
post #4821 of 17845
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Originally Posted by Poochymama View Post

If 2 channel is your primary concern I would get a nice 2 channel amp and just use your receiver to power the rest. Power is power, i.e. 120W from Rotel is going to sound the Same as 120W from Yamaha or 120W from Onkyo.

I would agree that you should probably look at a 2 channel amp for your mains if 2 channel is your main concern. I can tell you for sure that all power is not created equal... 120W from Rotel is not the same as 120W from Yamaha or Onkyo. The biggest reason is current. Watts only tell part of the story, and one of the least important parts. With speakers such as B&W that can dip to low impedance, they can be somewhat more difficult to drive, and many find that 75W of good clean amp power is much better than 120W of receiver power.
post #4822 of 17845
Thats true, I guess Yamaha and Onkyo may have been bad examples as a lot of their low end models have trouble with lower ohm loads.

However my point still stands, 400 watts from say a Behringer amp would be the same as 400 watts from rotel(arguable even better since it can handle even lower loads) plus it can be had for much much cheaper.
post #4823 of 17845
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Originally Posted by Poochymama View Post

Power is power, i.e. 120W from Rotel is going to sound the Same as 120W from Yamaha or 120W from Onkyo.

This is profoundly not true. In theory this might be the case, but in practice it is not. Just listen to the difference between tube and solid state amps.
post #4824 of 17845
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Originally Posted by Big L View Post

I have an RMB-1075 and it's a great amp. It drives my CDM 9NTs and CNTs effortlessly

thats really whwat im looking for. althoguh i never really turn it up WAY too loud, i want to never have to worry if ill run out of juice when listening at louder volumes.

also, the "all channels driven" power is something im concerned with. my reciever now says 5X100W, but i know when all channels are driven there no way its even near that. i have to admit my receiver is pretty old. are the newer units any better with having sufficient power @ all channels? i dont need some super fancy, 5 HDMI input bells and whistles mega-dollar receiver though, so thats why i was thinking i would just get the amp and use a smaller receiver as a pre-amp

and ive thought about just getting a nice amp for the front two channels, but if i get into SACD's and DVD-A, wont i want even power all around? although i guess i could just adjust my front levels accordingly when surround is being used
post #4825 of 17845
I just got a used set of 683s and a HTM61 center channel. I am really enjoying the sound. I hooked them up and am in the process of fine tuing (placing) the speakers. Because of space, I am limited to where I can put the L/R. I have them as far away from the walls as possible without getting in the way of my screen. But I do have options for placing the center (HTM61). Should I consider mounting the speaker over the screen or place on stand in center? If I go with a stand does it really matter how high off the ground the center shoudl be?

Thanks
post #4826 of 17845
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Originally Posted by crynear View Post

Took the words right out of my mouth. Some might actually steer you to the 804S for the surrounds...IMO that is way too much. Those 804s's are really incredible and yes, it would be a shame to put them in the rear and send them way less power than they can handle...but they'll sound great (in the proper position). There are some pictures where the surrounds are right behind the listening position...try to avoid that, especially if you are dropping that much moola.


Well, I use 800Ds/HTM1D and 803Ds as surrounds and I have to say that timbre matching of the tweeters is quite important and I love the fullness of the sound coming from the 803Ds. However, there are times that I feel the 803Ds go mostly unused except for multichannel music where the ideal set-up would be ALL IDENTICAL speakers. Yet, I drive them as full range which also helps to the overall dynamics of the whole system while I only cross them for below 80Hz.

I do not regret getting the 803Ds for surround duty and in fact I am just about to get another pair of 803Ds for 7.1 fullness! (I am using some KEFS for the rear surrounds right now but they live on the shade of the big ones and it is audible!). For me, get the best speakers you can for surrounds especially if you are looking forward to use them for multichannel music.
post #4827 of 17845
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Originally Posted by aquaphile View Post

also, the "all channels driven" power is something im concerned with. my reciever now says 5X100W, but i know when all channels are driven there no way its even near that.

Yeah, I can pretty much guarantee your receiver will NEVER output 100W X 5, all channels driven. Especially if it's a Yammy. They're notorious for overestating their stats.
FWIW, UltimateAV measured the RMB-1075: "With all five channels driven into 8ohms, the Rotel clipped (1% THD+noise) at 131 watts per channel at both 20Hz and 1kHz."


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and ive thought about just getting a nice amp for the front two channels, but if i get into SACD's and DVD-A, wont i want even power all around?

Here's the deal: if you use a 2-channel amp on the fronts, you 'free' up your receiver to drive the other channels.
Generally, the less channels an amp has to power, the more power available. As an example, that same RMB-1075 that measured 131WPC X 5 measured 161WPC X 2.

Again, if you're considering a 2-ch. amp (and can deal with some possible fan noise) I would urge you to take a look at some PA amps.
post #4828 of 17845
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Originally Posted by JargonGR View Post

Well, I use 800Ds/HTM1D and 803Ds as surrounds and I have to say that timbre matching of the tweeters is quite important and I love the fullness of the sound coming from the 803Ds. However, there are times that I feel the 803Ds go mostly unused except for multichannel music where the ideal set-up would be ALL IDENTICAL speakers. Yet, I drive them as full range which also helps to the overall dynamics of the whole system while I only cross them for below 80Hz.

I do not regret getting the 803Ds for surround duty and in fact I am just about to get another pair of 803Ds for 7.1 fullness! (I am using some KEFS for the rear surrounds right now but they live on the shade of the big ones and it is audible!). For me, get the best speakers you can for surrounds especially if you are looking forward to use them for multichannel music.

True enough, but we're not yet sure if KMA can swing 2 803d's, much less 5. If money, space, acoustics, and spouses are no object...then I would surely bath myself in 7 chanel 802d wonderment and not likely to ever see the light of day again.
post #4829 of 17845
He should at least try to get speakers from the same series though i.e. 805S.
post #4830 of 17845
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Originally Posted by Big L View Post

This is what I've been saying for years. Actually I said it in this thread in post #4723.
I guess B&W didn't learn their lesson from the NT series that the 700 series replaced.
I own the CDM 9NTs (which the 703s replaced) and a CNT (which the HTM7 replaced) and I have the same complaint: the towers are GREAT! and the center is OK but it just can't keep up.
If I ever save up enough pennies I'll get an HTM3S (from the 800 series) and call it a day.

When I had the 802D's. I paired them with the HTM3S. I think this is the place in the 800 series where you can call it a day. There are better but $ for $ one of the best buy's in Audio.
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