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post #6061 of 13878
1/27/10 at 6:09am
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You mean this B&W System

Yes that's the one! Can't wait to get mine
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post #6062 of 13878
1/27/10 at 6:25am
What is your budget?

Vintage_Audio_Labs on ebay ships out of Taiwan and make nice cables.

You may need to do a search on 'valab' and back track to his store. I should be ordering my cables from him next month.

-Lou

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Originally Posted by Kurusawa View Post

Hi Guys,

Still trying to decide on the cables I am set to buy the B&W 683 Theater System with the ASW610 sub (not the XP) and the Denon 4310 amp. Previously I was looking at Monoprice's cables, but I thought I should buy from Blue Jeans Cable (BJC) since they sell higher quality cables. After all you get what you pay for. Now I am deciding between the Belden 5T00UP and the Canare 4S11. I have looked at various threads regarding bi-wire and I gather it is a personal thing whether there is any improvement or not.

Since I live in Australia, importing cables is not as cheap due to the shipping cost. So I want to get it "right" the first time. With that said, which cable should I go with for the speakers?
For the Subwoofer I am gonna go with the Canare LV-77S and connect it to the One-foot Subwoofer Y cable, 1F/2M RCA from BJC as suggested previously. Let me know your suggestions.

Cheers
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post #6063 of 13878
1/27/10 at 6:34am
CMC2, HTM4s, HTM3s.

What would I increase going from CMC2 then up?

thanks,
chris
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post #6064 of 13878
1/27/10 at 6:34am
My budget is about $300USD. I am going to run 2 pairs of wires to the back of the room through the roof which will be roughly 13m (42 feet) each. Which is probably where the bulk of the budget is going to.

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Originally Posted by Hammie View Post

What is your budget?

Vintage_Audio_Labs on ebay ships out of Taiwan and make nice cables.

You may need to do a search on 'valab' and back track to his store. I should be ordering my cables from him next month.

-Lou
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post #6065 of 13878
1/27/10 at 6:42am
http://stores.ebay.com/Vintage-Audio-Lab


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Originally Posted by Hammie View Post

What is your budget?

Vintage_Audio_Labs on ebay ships out of Taiwan and make nice cables.

You may need to do a search on 'valab' and back track to his store. I should be ordering my cables from him next month.

-Lou
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post #6066 of 13878
1/27/10 at 8:22am
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Originally Posted by HTMAN21 View Post

Buy two pairs of 685's and use 3 685's across the front. This should cost no more than the deal you were offered by the dealer and will definitely sound better. BTW, I have heard the CMC2 with 685's and it is superior to either HTM6 speaker.

Just wondering what makes the HTM61 and 62 so bad? I have been reading lots of threads saying that they suck!?

I auditioned the 685's (but didn't get to hear the center) and loved them but I am looking to buy the fronts and center for my HT/music setup... SO what makes the centers so bad?
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post #6067 of 13878
1/27/10 at 8:56am
I think the issue has mostly been with the HTM61. The reason why is because it's a three-way center with the driver in the middle and the mid and woofer on each side. Because of this, the speaker has off-axis dispersion issues. From what I understand, it makes the sound really dependent on the listener position.

The HTM62 shouldn't have this issue because it has the driver in the middle and identical mids/woofers on the sides.
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post #6068 of 13878
1/27/10 at 9:19am
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Originally Posted by KyaDawn View Post

I think the issue has mostly been with the HTM61. The reason why is because it's a three-way center with the driver in the middle and the mid and woofer on each side. Because of this, the speaker has off-axis dispersion issues. From what I understand, it makes the sound really dependent on the listener position.

The HTM62 shouldn't have this issue because it has the driver in the middle and identical mids/woofers on the sides.

I see, that makes sense.

I would be going with the smaller htm62 in my setup! Maybe I should try it out before just in case!?
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post #6069 of 13878
1/27/10 at 9:53am
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Originally Posted by Kurusawa View Post

Hi Guys,

Still trying to decide on the cables I am set to buy the B&W 683 Theater System with the ASW610 sub (not the XP) and the Denon 4310 amp. Previously I was looking at Monoprice's cables, but I thought I should buy from Blue Jeans Cable (BJC) since they sell higher quality cables. After all you get what you pay for. Now I am deciding between the Belden 5T00UP and the Canare 4S11. I have looked at various threads regarding bi-wire and I gather it is a personal thing whether there is any improvement or not.

Since I live in Australia, importing cables is not as cheap due to the shipping cost. So I want to get it "right" the first time. With that said, which cable should I go with for the speakers?
For the Subwoofer I am gonna go with the Canare LV-77S and connect it to the One-foot Subwoofer Y cable, 1F/2M RCA from BJC as suggested previously. Let me know your suggestions.

Cheers

What makes you think that Blue Jeans are higher quality (not just prettier) than Monrprice? IMHO; 12ga. for all 3 fronts,14ga. for the rears.
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post #6070 of 13878
1/27/10 at 2:31pm
Kind of wished someone had given me an idea on the ccm's but since I didn't get a response, I went and got a decent deal from the local rep and decided on the ccm816s for heights. My thought is that the Kevlar driver is similar if not almost identical to the Mid/Bass unit in the N805s. I also get a similar Nautilus series tweater. These puppies are also nearly perfectly directed to my couch.

So, other than swapping out the crappy rears (Scheduled for mid spring) That's it... Wallet ripped to shreds and wife less than thrilled. I did get the remote to work to her liking. Now just a hand made trouble shooting guide and no more new boxes and it's all about the media from here on out.
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post #6071 of 13878
1/27/10 at 5:58pm
Little different subject here, tech question...
DM604S3 Can someone tell me what I should read resistance wise across the positive and negative terminals, both individually high and low terms as well as with the shorting strips installed. These are 8ohms nominal impedance.
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post #6072 of 13878
1/27/10 at 6:41pm
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Originally Posted by Kurusawa View Post

Hi Guys,

Still trying to decide on the cables I am set to buy the B&W 683 Theater System with the ASW610 sub (not the XP) and the Denon 4310 amp. Previously I was looking at Monoprice's cables, but I thought I should buy from Blue Jeans Cable (BJC) since they sell higher quality cables. After all you get what you pay for. Now I am deciding between the Belden 5T00UP and the Canare 4S11. I have looked at various threads regarding bi-wire and I gather it is a personal thing whether there is any improvement or not.

Since I live in Australia, importing cables is not as cheap due to the shipping cost. So I want to get it "right" the first time. With that said, which cable should I go with for the speakers?
For the Subwoofer I am gonna go with the Canare LV-77S and connect it to the One-foot Subwoofer Y cable, 1F/2M RCA from BJC as suggested previously. Let me know your suggestions.

Cheers


I purchased from Blue Jean Cables and they are a very good group of guys to work with and sell high quality cables (I have had people comment that they have never seen such a thick HDMI cable like the one I have from Blue Jean cables). I also purchased the 10 gauge Belden 5T00p cable and noticed a instance difference in the sound, mainly a fuller sound in the low end using then a old analog receiver. Even my wife noticed the difference in sound without me asking. I have since upgraded my receiver to a Rotel RSX-1560 with bi-amping capabilities. Now I need to run a second run of the Belden 5T00P to utilize the bi-amp / bi-wire capabilities.

While, I recommend BJ cable Belden 5T00P 10 gauge because of improvements in sound that I noticed. I would strongly recommend you go with Canare 4S11 so that you have the capability to bi-amp or bi-wire. This will ensure you will not have to run wire a second time like I have to do and meet your goal of doing it right the first time.

All the best,
Ed
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post #6073 of 13878
1/27/10 at 9:29pm
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Originally Posted by ERAU23 View Post

I purchased from Blue Jean Cables and they are a very good group of guys to work with and sell high quality cables (I have had people comment that they have never seen such a thick HDMI cable like the one I have from Blue Jean cables). I also purchased the 10 gauge Belden 5T00p cable and noticed a instance difference in the sound, mainly a fuller sound in the low end using then a old analog receiver. Even my wife noticed the difference in sound without me asking. I have since upgraded my receiver to a Rotel RSX-1560 with bi-amping capabilities. Now I need to run a second run of the Belden 5T00P to utilize the bi-amp / bi-wire capabilities.

While, I recommend BJ cable Belden 5T00P 10 gauge because of improvements in sound that I noticed. I would strongly recommend you go with Canare 4S11 so that you have the capability to bi-amp or bi-wire. This will ensure you will not have to run wire a second time like I have to do and meet your goal of doing it right the first time.

All the best,
Ed

I'm not faulting Blue Jeans in any way, just curious why you think they're higher quality than the comparable Monoprice product. Monoprice also has a very thick hdmi cable,although I'm sure you know the wire inside isn't any thicker; http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2 and while they don't have 10 ga. wire, they do have 12 ga in various configurations; http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2 these are for bi wire/bi amp.
Both are great companies,just curious why you think Blue Jeans' products are better.
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post #6074 of 13878
1/27/10 at 10:27pm
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Originally Posted by sofast1 View Post

I'm not faulting Blue Jeans in any way, just curious why you think they're higher quality than the comparable Monoprice product. Monoprice also has a very thick hdmi cable,although I'm sure you know the wire inside isn't any thicker; http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2 and while they don't have 10 ga. wire, they do have 12 ga in various configurations; http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2 these are for bi wire/bi amp.
Both are great companies,just curious why you think Blue Jeans' products are better.

You ask a good question. As I think about it I buy products and services based both on the company / people and the quality of the products they offer. Based on this thesis I make the following observations about Blue Jean. The website educates you on the product, the next alteratives, and the testing that they have conducted to support the recommendation. I have made serveral visits to their warehouse and see that they make many of the cables on site. I have talked to a few of the employees and princples and while they want to make money they will not tell you a bunch of BS just for the sale. Also Blue Jean is a a local Seattle company and I try to support locally as much as possible.

I know nothing about Monoprice.com so I can not compare them to Blue Jean. I'm sure monoprice.com is a good company and provides good products. I can only tell the story of why I think so much of Blue Jean Cable.

Ed
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post #6075 of 13878
1/27/10 at 11:57pm
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Originally Posted by schwegs99 View Post

CMC2, HTM4s, HTM3s.

What would I increase going from CMC2 then up?

thanks,
chris

You will get much better timbre/tonal matching/balance with your 804s's. The 800 series employs a much better crossover as well.
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post #6076 of 13878
1/28/10 at 8:43am
Out of curiously, has anyone interchanged/ swap out the driver / X-over out of the old N800 series to the D line ? It got me thinking as I saw a pair of S803 driver being sold on Agon.. Sound like allot of work, but feasible right?

djoel
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post #6077 of 13878
1/28/10 at 3:56pm
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Originally Posted by ERAU23 View Post

You ask a good question. As I think about it I buy products and services based both on the company / people and the quality of the products they offer. Based on this thesis I make the following observations about Blue Jean. The website educates you on the product, the next alteratives, and the testing that they have conducted to support the recommendation. I have made serveral visits to their warehouse and see that they make many of the cables on site. I have talked to a few of the employees and princples and while they want to make money they will not tell you a bunch of BS just for the sale. Also Blue Jean is a a local Seattle company and I try to support locally as much as possible.

I know nothing about Monoprice.com so I can not compare them to Blue Jean. I'm sure monoprice.com is a good company and provides good products. I can only tell the story of why I think so much of Blue Jean Cable.

Ed

I will buy my next cables from Blue Jean because of how they handled a ridiculous attempt from MonsterCable to put them out of business.
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post #6078 of 13878
1/28/10 at 10:24pm
I use MIT Cables and have for years...the mid-level ones, not the high-end stuff.
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post #6079 of 13878
1/29/10 at 4:43pm
When should we expect the new B&W 600 series?
They've been releasing a new series every three years since 1995 and the last one was in 2007. Does anyone know if there's a new one coming out this year?
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post #6080 of 13878
1/30/10 at 7:43am
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When should we expect the new B&W 600 series?
They've been releasing a new series every three years since 1995 and the last one was in 2007. Does anyone know if there's a new one coming out this year?

I have the exact same question. Anyone know? Also, what will the changes be if so? Thanks.
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post #6081 of 13878
1/30/10 at 10:31am
Kind of torn right now - I have a chance to buy a pair of 803s' s for $4800 (floor demo for about 2 yrs), and the new 804d's are $7000 a pair. As has been brought up - if I get the 803s, I'd better get a matching center (and possibly surrounds) while available, which brings the initial outlay significantly higher. That's not to mention the necessary upgrade to a better amp needed for either pair (right now I'm running an old pair of Kef Q35's off of an older B&K ST140 - I know, big jump).

The thing that irritates me the most is that no one has even heard/been able to review the new diamonds, and they are being released in a month?! It's a gamble, but I might just wait it out, and see what the 804d's are like, and if it isn't night and day, see if I can pick up some 803s (if they can be found).
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post #6082 of 13878
1/30/10 at 11:41am
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Kind of torn right now - I have a chance to buy a pair of 803s' s for $4800 (floor demo for about 2 yrs), and the new 804d's are $7000 a pair. As has been brought up - if I get the 803s, I'd better get a matching center (and possibly surrounds) while available, which brings the initial outlay significantly higher. That's not to mention the necessary upgrade to a better amp needed for either pair (right now I'm running an old pair of Kef Q35's off of an older B&K ST140 - I know, big jump).

The thing that irritates me the most is that no one has even heard/been able to review the new diamonds, and they are being released in a month?! It's a gamble, but I might just wait it out, and see what the 804d's are like, and if it isn't night and day, see if I can pick up some 803s (if they can be found).

That is a pretty solid price for the 803S's. As you mentioned, you would then need to pony up for the new Diamond center. As you mentioned, there is no way to even determine how the new series sounds.

So...... I guess you have to consider if paying double the price is worth it. Heck, it could be even more than double if you attempt a 5.1 Diamond set up with 803 Diamonds, the new center, as well as 805 Diamonds for Surrounds. If you go 7.1 - even more.

Personally, that is beyond my budget and I am quite happy with the 803S's I recently picked up for $400 more than you are paying (Mine were new in the box). My 803S's are a true full range high quality speaker and coupled with the HTM3S, I am very happy.

Best of luck to you.
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post #6083 of 13878
1/30/10 at 7:12pm
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I'm not faulting Blue Jeans in any way, just curious why you think they're higher quality than the comparable Monoprice product. Monoprice also has a very thick hdmi cable,although I'm sure you know the wire inside isn't any thicker; http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2 and while they don't have 10 ga. wire, they do have 12 ga in various configurations; http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2 these are for bi wire/bi amp.
Both are great companies,just curious why you think Blue Jeans' products are better.

Well I want to chime in I always liked buying from Monoprice but their premium AV cables where introducing a hum in my power amp. I confirmed half the cables where faulty. I replaced with Blue Jeans cables and the hum disappeared (was it faulty grounds in the Monoprice cables?). So the quality is there with Blue Jeans. Another thing about them is they'll make cables to your custom length. I'll still use Monoprice for most other cables (HDMI/Optical/etc..) But will be using Blue Jeans for AV patch cables from now on.
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post #6084 of 13878
1/30/10 at 8:49pm
Today I tried an experiment, I bi-amped my 802D using my CA-5200 and I was very pleasantly surprise about how good they sounded vs the mono amplification

I didn't think it would make such a difference, has any one experience this
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post #6085 of 13878
1/31/10 at 6:49am
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Originally Posted by mikeyut3 View Post

I have the exact same question. Anyone know? Also, what will the changes be if so? Thanks.

I doubt there will be a new 600-series this year. The current 600's aren't that old, and I think B&W wants to focus more of their time on promoting the newer 800 Diamond line.
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post #6086 of 13878
1/31/10 at 7:02am
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Originally Posted by polarbare View Post

Kind of torn right now - I have a chance to buy a pair of 803s' s for $4800 (floor demo for about 2 yrs), and the new 804d's are $7000 a pair. As has been brought up - if I get the 803s, I'd better get a matching center (and possibly surrounds) while available, which brings the initial outlay significantly higher. That's not to mention the necessary upgrade to a better amp needed for either pair (right now I'm running an old pair of Kef Q35's off of an older B&K ST140 - I know, big jump).

The thing that irritates me the most is that no one has even heard/been able to review the new diamonds, and they are being released in a month?! It's a gamble, but I might just wait it out, and see what the 804d's are like, and if it isn't night and day, see if I can pick up some 803s (if they can be found).

That is a tough choice to make. Are you able to find a HTM3S to use with the 803S? If so, then that combination would be less money than just buying a pair of the 804 Diamonds. To get the 804 Diamonds at $7000, that means your dealer is taking $500 off. Then add the HTM2 Diamond for $4500 (MSRP $5000), and you are now at $11,500. That is about $6000 more than I paid for new 804S/HTM3S two years ago.

If it were me, I'd get the used 803S if there was also a HTM3S that I could find to go along with it. But if you can't find a HTM3S anywhere, I wouldn't suggest using a HTM2 Diamond in its pace with the 803S, as the sound would not match.
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post #6087 of 13878
1/31/10 at 11:40am
I created a separate thread for B&W 802D owners asking about which amplifier they use. I didn't post the question here because it is a very specific question and I didn't want it to get lost. If you subscribe to this thread and own a pair of B&W 802D's please read and reply to this thread. Thanks.

Link to the thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1222503
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post #6088 of 13878
1/31/10 at 11:49am
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I created a separate thread for B&W 802D owners asking about which amplifier they use. I didn't post the question here because it is a very specific question and I didn't want it to get lost. If you subscribe to this thread and own a pair of B&W 802D's please read and reply to this thread. Thanks.

Link to the thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1222503

Try this thread: http://www.htguide.com/forum/showthread.php4?t=29517
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post #6089 of 13878
1/31/10 at 11:56am
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Originally Posted by Emig5m View Post

Try this thread: http://www.htguide.com/forum/showthread.php4?t=29517

Thank-you!

I will check out that site.
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post #6090 of 13878
1/31/10 at 3:43pm
Sorry if this has been covered before. If so, please direct me.

I have 602S3's and 601S1's. Do one or both of these speakers' crossovers use electrolytic caps? If so, I am thinking of upgrading these.
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