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post #6751 of 13870
3/19/10 at 3:15pm
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Originally Posted by Vidmaven View Post

So I have a couple of questions; earlier this week I had a pipe burst in the basement ceiling right over the family room entertainment system. My B&W Matrix HTM Center was under the deluge. It got pretty wet but was angled so it seemed as if most of the water ran off.
1) What are the chances nothing happened to it?
2) If something did do you think it's repairable?
3) If not repairable what is comparable in their current lineup? It was part of a 3 channel setup with DM604S1 so I would like to get something that would closely match the L&R.

So there are two issues to address:

1) water on electronics. Generally, if they were 'off' (not driven) nothing electronic is really damaged. If you unplug them, maybe unplug and remove the drivers to expose everything to air to dry out for a few days (upstair where humidity may be more neutral ) then put it back together, you should be fine.

2) water on wood/paper/furniture. This is the potentially trickier part. First off, I assume you wiped it all down with towels. Again, do NOT use a dehumidifier.. that could dry out the wood and parts too quick and cause cracking and warping. You want to open up the cabinet as much as possible and let it breath and slowly dry to a consistent humidity level.

If the water just ran off the edges, you are probably fine. Without knowing the extent of the exposure to water, I'd recommend better be on the safe side and allow the speaker(s) to dry out for a few days in a normal, warm room having pulled whatever drivers you can pull to open up larger openings into the cabinet as well as the backsides of the drivers. Just in case.
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post #6752 of 13870
3/21/10 at 8:18pm
I have opinon question which is awlays dangerous to ask, but I am interested in what people have to say.

I will be looking at getting a pair of 805S or 804S or 803S in next 3-6 months. I have never heard the 803S, but have heard the 804S and 805S. I have an HTM3 center currently and am looking to get a good match for my HT. I have a good sub currently and will be using this in my HT, which I listen 90% movies, 10% music.

.What would be the advantage to going with the 803S or 804S over the 805S given that I have a good sub?
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post #6753 of 13870
3/21/10 at 8:28pm
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Originally Posted by stepmback View Post

I have opinon question which is awlays dangerous to ask, but I am interested in what people have to say.

I will be looking at getting a pair of 805S or 804S or 803S in next 3-6 months. I have never heard the 803S, but have heard the 804S and 805S. I have an HTM3 center currently and am looking to get a good match for my HT. I have a good sub currently and will be using this in my HT, which I listen 90% movies, 10% music.

.What would be the advantage to going with the 803S or 804S over the 805S given that I have a good sub?

I think a lot of it has to due with the size of your room. How large will your HT room be?
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post #6754 of 13870
3/21/10 at 8:29pm
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Originally Posted by GermanMan View Post

So there are two issues to address:

1) water on electronics. Generally, if they were 'off' (not driven) nothing electronic is really damaged. If you unplug them, maybe unplug and remove the drivers to expose everything to air to dry out for a few days (upstair where humidity may be more neutral ) then put it back together, you should be fine.

2) water on wood/paper/furniture. This is the potentially trickier part. First off, I assume you wiped it all down with towels. Again, do NOT use a dehumidifier.. that could dry out the wood and parts too quick and cause cracking and warping. You want to open up the cabinet as much as possible and let it breath and slowly dry to a consistent humidity level.

If the water just ran off the edges, you are probably fine. Without knowing the extent of the exposure to water, I'd recommend better be on the safe side and allow the speaker(s) to dry out for a few days in a normal, warm room having pulled whatever drivers you can pull to open up larger openings into the cabinet as well as the backsides of the drivers. Just in case.

Thanks. I have basically done what you suggested. I'm giving the items time to dry out before checking functionality. So far it doesn't look too bad.
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post #6755 of 13870
3/21/10 at 8:59pm
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Originally Posted by stepmback View Post

I have opinon question which is awlays dangerous to ask, but I am interested in what people have to say.

I will be looking at getting a pair of 805S or 804S or 803S in next 3-6 months. I have never heard the 803S, but have heard the 804S and 805S. I have an HTM3 center currently and am looking to get a good match for my HT. I have a good sub currently and will be using this in my HT, which I listen 90% movies, 10% music.

.What would be the advantage to going with the 803S or 804S over the 805S given that I have a good sub?

Too bad you were not looking at getting 803s sooner, it looks like someone from Arlington, VA just sold a pair on audiogon for $1,500!

I'm not an expert by any means but I believe the 805's lack the FST driver your HTM3S has. I would at least try and get some 804s' which would be a better match for your center. The HTM4S seems like a better match for &05's.
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post #6756 of 13870
3/21/10 at 9:00pm
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Originally Posted by stepmback View Post

I have opinon question which is awlays dangerous to ask, but I am interested in what people have to say.

I will be looking at getting a pair of 805S or 804S or 803S in next 3-6 months. I have never heard the 803S, but have heard the 804S and 805S. I have an HTM3 center currently and am looking to get a good match for my HT. I have a good sub currently and will be using this in my HT, which I listen 90% movies, 10% music.

.What would be the advantage to going with the 803S or 804S over the 805S given that I have a good sub?

I guess then you will be buying this used, as no dealer will be selling them new?
If you can find the 803S for a good price used, then go with that. The 804S would be the next best thing.

I got the 804S/HTM3S new about 2 years ago, as I couldn't see sending more for the 803S, just to have 1/2" larger bass drivers. The HTM3S and 804S both have two 6.5" bass drivers, but the 803S has two 7" bass drivers. The 803D has three 7" bass drivers.
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post #6757 of 13870
3/21/10 at 9:33pm
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Originally Posted by FAUguy View Post

I guess then you will be buying this used, as no dealer will be selling them new?
If you can find the 803S for a good price used, then go with that. The 804S would be the next best thing.

Dealers are still clearning out their stock, so it's possible for him to find them new.

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Originally Posted by FAUguy View Post

I got the 804S/HTM3S new about 2 years ago, as I couldn't see sending more for the 803S, just to have 1/2" larger bass drivers. The HTM3S and 804S both have two 6.5" bass drivers, but the 803S has two 7" bass drivers. The 803D has three 3" bass drivers.

That would be hilarious looking, but the 803D has three 7" woofers.
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post #6758 of 13870
3/22/10 at 6:41am
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Originally Posted by patgilm View Post

Too bad you were not looking at getting 803s sooner, it looks like someone from Arlington, VA just sold a pair on audiogon for $1,500!

I'm not an expert by any means but I believe the 805's lack the FST driver your HTM3S has. I would at least try and get some 804s' which would be a better match for your center. The HTM4S seems like a better match for &05's.

I would have been all over that deal for the 803S.

My HT is 19 x 12 with 8ft ceilings. I currently have a pair of 683 for L/R.
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post #6759 of 13870
3/22/10 at 7:06am
I'm in Arlington with a pair of 804s in a room that's probably about 12x14, maybe 12x15. Never have any issues w/them, even with bass (though I could definitely use more amplification).

I'd say the 803s would dominate your room visually - they seem noticeably bigger than the 804s.

I paid a lot more than $1500 for my 804s...

KyaDawn, our local (DC area) B&W dealer went out of business last month - it would be hard for him to find new stock without going further north into Maryland or further south into Richmond (the next metro area on I-95).
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post #6760 of 13870
3/22/10 at 9:32am
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Originally Posted by aliasfox View Post

KyaDawn, our local (DC area) B&W dealer went out of business last month - it would be hard for him to find new stock without going further north into Maryland or further south into Richmond (the next metro area on I-95).

Well I didn't know that little piece of local information, but I was responding to the idea that "no dealer will be selling them new" which I know isn't true as for example, my dealer still has some models in stock for sale new.

Sounds like in your area, one would have the same issues buying the new 800 Diamond Series as well.
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post #6761 of 13870
3/22/10 at 10:25am
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Originally Posted by stepmback View Post

I would have been all over that deal for the 803S.

My HT is 19 x 12 with 8ft ceilings. I currently have a pair of 683 for L/R.

I have the 803S and the HTM3S. I am happy.... All the advice is great for you so far so here's my add.

1). The 805S's are very cool. IMHO they would pair fairly well with the bigger HTM3S. You do have the FST vs the 805's Mid/Bass Kevlar driver but your tweeter would be the same. If you couple the 805s with two nice mid size musical subs, you would have great solution and may be surprised how good the 805s are. If you go this route, don't skimp on amps though, for your size room (Solid medium in dimension) you will want enough punch for very dynamic movies. The little 805S's are a tad less efficient and can handle the power.
2). The 804S's are the closet match to the center you are contemplating and may give you the most seemless sound across the three fronts. It is basically the same as the HTM3S except for the port.
3). If you want a lower crossover point to a sub and really covet the bigger 803S's, go and get them. They pair well with the HTM3s but in my room, the mid/bass is more predominant in the 803S's. I use Audyssey EQ, so this is adjusted for in terms of gain from my Pre-Outs. If you listen to some and perhaps more stereo music over time, the 803S's are fantastic and are well worth it.

It's all pretty much a toss-up though and all three solutions are excellent. Again, IMHO you will need a good suib or preferably two to make all of these systems work at peak.

Good luck, fun choice.
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post #6762 of 13870
3/22/10 at 10:47am
Has anyone compared the 803D to the 803 Diamond, or the N804 (I have this model) to the 803 Diamond. I am interested in the new model 803 Diamond that has just been released. It retails for $10K list and usually $9K through some retailers. I am most interesed in the bass response which is supposed to be much improved. My N804 is awesome on the upper range but I do not think the bass is punchy at all and has to be augmented by my sub. I have the Emotiva XPA-3 driving L/C/R and an USP-1 two channel prepro plus the ERC-1 in the mix. I do believe the Emotiva has done goodness to my setup but the bass has never made me happy!

Thanks all!
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post #6763 of 13870
3/22/10 at 11:46am
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Originally Posted by sticknstones View Post

Has anyone compared the 803D to the 803 Diamond,

I wish some one would also the 802D vs 802Di
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post #6764 of 13870
3/22/10 at 6:03pm
I guess I can relate most to this situation. I currently have a pair of 805S fronts, an HTM3S center, and two Seaton Submersive subwoofers in a room that measures 23ft x 24ft with 8ft ceilings. This is a large theater room. The 805s are just fine....and I listen at reference levels! The subs are most important here. Since you say that 90% is used for home theater (same as me), I'm sure you'll be satisfied with the 805s. I have an Anthem Statement D2 with ARC for room correction....somewhat similar to the Audessey. I think the larger speakers are only advantageous for 2-channel or more discrete music-only listening.
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post #6765 of 13870
3/22/10 at 7:19pm
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

I wish some one would also the 802D vs 802Di

That's the comparison I'm waiting for. I'd compare them myself, but my dealer won't have them in until June.
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post #6766 of 13870
3/22/10 at 8:11pm
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Originally Posted by sticknstones View Post

Has anyone compared the 803D to the 803 Diamond, or the N804 (I have this model) to the 803 Diamond. I am interested in the new model 803 Diamond that has just been released. It retails for $10K list and usually $9K through some retailers. I am most interesed in the bass response which is supposed to be much improved. My N804 is awesome on the upper range but I do not think the bass is punchy at all and has to be augmented by my sub. I have the Emotiva XPA-3 driving L/C/R and an USP-1 two channel prepro plus the ERC-1 in the mix. I do believe the Emotiva has done goodness to my setup but the bass has never made me happy!

Thanks all!

This is just my opinion, but I have heard the 803Di twice in the past week, in two different rooms, and the quality of its bass is its weakest area. In both cases the bass was overblown and boxy sounding, and the lower mids were affected too, giving a vocals a sometimes chesty quality. Of course you have to consider the room and the positioning of the speaker when judging the bass of any speaker, so I tried walking farther away from the speaker to find a better spot for the speaker and the room to gel, but I never fully found that spot.

FWIW - I also listened to the 803D last year, and came away with a similar impression. The bottom end was not in balance with the mids/highs. So if you liked the 803D, then feel free to discard my opinion of the 803Di, as I think the two are very similar.
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post #6767 of 13870
3/23/10 at 8:12am
Well, I made the move to the 800 series. My dealer found a pair of 804s in cherrywood, which is a match to my current CDM-9NTs. I know they're not the new "D"s and it may not be much of upgrade, but I wanted to get into the series and pick up a set of 804's before they were all gone. I'm using a Krell processor and a Cary 200 watt Cinema 5 amp. I'll just move the 9NTs to the rear and sell my 1NTs.

I always liked the looks of the 800 series. I got a pretty good discount and my dealer said he would credit me my purchase price towards an upgrade anytime within the next 12 months. Pretty excited about the move.
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post #6768 of 13870
3/23/10 at 8:21am
Hello guys, just finished reading the thread. I have a setup of Energy RC 10's bookshelves, RC Mini surrounds and RC Mini Center. I bought the bookshelves with the idea of upgrading to tower speakers. Unfortunately, Klipsch is doing nothing with Energy and who knows that when the time comes around that I want to upgrade if those RC 50 or 70 floor standers will be around. In that case I been researching 683 from B&W and iQ 90 from Kef. These are the entry level lines from these manufacturers whereas RC is below top tier Veritas from Energy, Veritas no longer being made. Sales reps have told me "anything entry level B&W is better than Energy." "B&W is the speaker that most closely reproduces sound as it is recorded." "Kef's are more detailed than Energy." I tried arguing that RC's 50 are $800 each and the 70's $1100 each to B&W 683 and Kef's iQ 90 being $750. There are some B&W and Kef dealers in NYC where I can get an audition, but with Energy I don't have that luxury. Reviews online and from you guys here are awesome with regards to the 683, the Kef thread didn't tell me much. I'm skeptical of spending over $1K if I stay with Energy without listening to them and having "what could have been" thought. From what I have read here the 683 offer fantastic detail which what interest me the most. What would be best here? Am I downgrading by going from Energy's RC to B&W 683 or Kef's iQ?
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post #6769 of 13870
3/23/10 at 10:27am
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Originally Posted by CarlosMS16 View Post

Hello guys, just finished reading the thread. I have a setup of Energy RC 10's bookshelves, RC Mini surrounds and RC Mini Center. I bought the bookshelves with the idea of upgrading to tower speakers. Unfortunately, Klipsch is doing nothing with Energy and who knows that when the time comes around that I want to upgrade if those RC 50 or 70 floor standers will be around. In that case I been researching 683 from B&W and iQ 90 from Kef. These are the entry level lines from these manufacturers whereas RC is below top tier Veritas from Energy, Veritas no longer being made. Sales reps have told me "anything entry level B&W is better than Energy." "B&W is the speaker that most closely reproduces sound as it is recorded." "Kef's are more detailed than Energy." I tried arguing that RC's 50 are $800 each and the 70's $1100 each to B&W 683 and Kef's iQ 90 being $750. There are some B&W and Kef dealers in NYC where I can get an audition, but with Energy I don't have that luxury. Reviews online and from you guys here are awesome with regards to the 683, the Kef thread didn't tell me much. I'm skeptical of spending over $1K if I stay with Energy without listening to them and having "what could have been" thought. From what I have read here the 683 offer fantastic detail which what interest me the most. What would be best here? Am I downgrading by going from Energy's RC to B&W 683 or Kef's iQ?

I own a pair of 683s and found them to create a detailed deep soundstage. I think bang for buck they are great speakers. However I always believe that the proof is in YOUR ears. So my response is not as much about what is a better speaker but more about a buying process. Have you heard the 683s? Check the dealers I would think in NYC at least one of them can set something up for you. If that does not work post on here and maybe someone close by would be nice enough to let you listen to their 683 setup. If you cant get a listen to the Energy, even at someone's house, I personally would not buy them. The funnest part of buying equipment for me is the demo process.

Not sure how much this helps.
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post #6770 of 13870
3/23/10 at 11:12am
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Originally Posted by stepmback View Post

I own a pair of 683s and found them to create a detailed deep soundstage. I think bang for buck they are great speakers. However I always believe that the proof is in YOUR ears. So my response is not as much about what is a better speaker but more about a buying process. Have you heard the 683s? Check the dealers I would think in NYC at least one of them can set something up for you. If that does not work post on here and maybe someone close by would be nice enough to let you listen to their 683 setup. If you cant get a listen to the Energy, even at someone's house, I personally would not buy them. The funnest part of buying equipment for me is the demo process.

Not sure how much this helps.

That's what I'm thinking now. The current set up I have now cost me almost $900 due to Energy's closeout prices, it would have been around $1875. Since upgrade to tower speakers from Energy would mean another $1000 plus, this time I should listen to them. I went with Energy due to their great reviews. With Klipsch (who bought Energy) not doing anything with them, my upgrade speakers might not be around when I'm ready. This is the reason I'm already looking into Kef's and B&W's.
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post #6771 of 13870
3/23/10 at 5:09pm
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Originally Posted by CarlosMS16 View Post

I have a setup of Energy RC 10's bookshelves, RC Mini surrounds and RC Mini Center. I bought the bookshelves with the idea of upgrading to tower speakers. Unfortunately, Klipsch is doing nothing with Energy and who knows that when the time comes around that I want to upgrade if those RC 50 or 70 floor standers will be around

I've owned several Energy speaker products, they are (or were) great speakers, especially for the price. The RC-Series line is exceptionally good. And, of course, the Veritas line is/was even better. The original development team based in Canada was top-notch. They had full in-house driver/cabinet development and anechoic chamber facilities. Then Klipsch aquired API (Canadian parent company of Energy) and essentially ruined it. They seem to be more of a "generic" line now, and are less, or nothing, of a development group.

Thing is, the RC-Series has now been around for a while, the design is still the same. It's a good product. But other manufacturers (like B&W) are constantly moving forward in performance research development. Consequently, years later, the entry-level models (B&W 600 Series for example) now surpass the RC-Series in performance. This is due to the fact that B&W trickle's-down their latest technologies (from their top-line) to the entry-level product, but in a cheaper cost implementation. Sort of the same concept used by Energy years back, implementing technology from the Veritas line onto the RC-Series, becoming a unique product line within it's own. I'd bet the RC-Series would have given the entry and mid-level B&W models a run for their money when they were first released (back in 2004/2005).

Had Energy (API) remained as they are I probably would continue using their products. I just got into the Veritas line, but sold them (well, gave them away) after the surprising announcement of Klipsch buying tham.

I still have RC-30's and RC-LCR. They are designed for respond flat throughout. Very musical. Sound is generally laid-back with wide dipsersion, sweet mid-range. Very explosive bass for a small tower. Excellent design and fabrication.

However I thought high-end was lacking slightly on RC-Series, so I switched to Monitor Audio GS-Series. Now I'm waiting for 804Di's (hopefully my last speaker).

I would opt for the CM-Series (CM9's and CM-Centre-2) if you're thinking of getting new 600-Series.
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post #6772 of 13870
3/23/10 at 5:44pm
How much are the discontinued 804S going for? Brand new from an AD?
I got a quote from my local dealer and he said $3500.
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post #6773 of 13870
3/23/10 at 7:26pm
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Originally Posted by NumLock View Post

How much are the discontinued 804S going for? Brand new from an AD?
I got a quote from my local dealer and he said $3500.

That sound be a great price from what they used to go for retail. The lowest I've seen them is $4,500.
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post #6774 of 13870
3/23/10 at 8:29pm
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Originally Posted by NumLock View Post

How much are the discontinued 804S going for? Brand new from an AD?
I got a quote from my local dealer and he said $3500.

I believe you would be happy with that price. Let's assume you own them for 10 years. At minimum, you'd get 50% at resale. That's a mere $175 bucks a year to join the 800 club. Seriously, the last S series, I think will hold resale very well. The move to D and now Di's (D not previously available on the 804 series), sets a floor price that just screams value short, mid and long term. I am so happy to have gotten my 803S's as $5,300 ish. Grab em now and be happy....
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3/23/10 at 8:33pm
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Originally Posted by NumLock View Post

How much are the discontinued 804S going for? Brand new from an AD?
I got a quote from my local dealer and he said $3500.

I just paid $100 more than that for demos. I called a bunch of neighboring states (PA, DE, VA) and none had any brand new and none had any demos in the color I wanted except the one closest to me and thy had only one pair left. All of the other dealers with demos left were selling them for the same price I bought mine for. Others here had better luck than me but I can't complain b/c I am happy with them.
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post #6776 of 13870
3/23/10 at 10:58pm
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Originally Posted by WestCoastD View Post

I've owned several Energy speaker products, they are (or were) great speakers, especially for the price. The RC-Series line is exceptionally good. And, of course, the Veritas line is/was even better. The original development team based in Canada was top-notch. They had full in-house driver/cabinet development and anechoic chamber facilities. Then Klipsch aquired API (Canadian parent company of Energy) and essentially ruined it. They seem to be more of a "generic" line now, and are less, or nothing, of a development group.

Thing is, the RC-Series has now been around for a while, the design is still the same. It's a good product. But other manufacturers (like B&W) are constantly moving forward in performance research development. Consequently, years later, the entry-level models (B&W 600 Series for example) now surpass the RC-Series in performance. This is due to the fact that B&W trickle's-down their latest technologies (from their top-line) to the entry-level product, but in a cheaper cost implementation. Sort of the same concept used by Energy years back, implementing technology from the Veritas line onto the RC-Series, becoming a unique product line within it's own. I'd bet the RC-Series would have given the entry and mid-level B&W models a run for their money when they were first released (back in 2004/2005).

Had Energy (API) remained as they are I probably would continue using their products. I just got into the Veritas line, but sold them (well, gave them away) after the surprising announcement of Klipsch buying tham.

I still have RC-30's and RC-LCR. They are designed for respond flat throughout. Very musical. Sound is generally laid-back with wide dipsersion, sweet mid-range. Very explosive bass for a small tower. Excellent design and fabrication.

However I thought high-end was lacking slightly on RC-Series, so I switched to Monitor Audio GS-Series. Now I'm waiting for 804Di's (hopefully my last speaker).

I would opt for the CM-Series (CM9's and CM-Centre-2) if you're thinking of getting new 600-Series.

This pretty much sums it up. I haven't heard the Energy speakers, but I do own a pair of 683's and they are just an excellent bang for the buck. I auditioned Kef IQ9's, Wharfedales, Canton Ergos, and many others but I just kept coming back to the B&W's. I don't regret the purchase one bit. The CM9's are also sweet...
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3/24/10 at 5:10am
I asked this question in the Paradigm owners thread yesterday and meant to do the same here but forgot so here goes... Has any one been able to compare the Paradigm C5 v3 to the B&W HTM2D or new HTM2Di and if so what were your impressions? Strengths, weaknesses of both.

I have been in the gray zone between these 2 manufacturers trying to decide which I would prefer to go with if I were to upgrade my system. I can not audition either as my dealer does not stock them.

Of all the purchases I have made over the years this is turning out to be the hardest. Typically I can make up my mind on what I want with little effort but choosing between a Paradigm Signature or B&W 800 Diamond system is killing me.

My primary use will be home theater (movies, games) followed by music however I listen to all music via my full surround system using Logic 7.

Thanks
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post #6778 of 13870
3/24/10 at 6:11am
That's a great price for new if it's coming from a dealer. I just paid $3,900.00 for a set of demos my dealer got from another dealer after doing a search. He also grabbed a set in rosewood. Right now they're just had to find and I have to believe their price will go up in the future as more people realize they can't or won't spring for the huge price increase of the new "D's".


QUOTE=KyaDawn;18366982]That sound be a great price from what they used to go for retail. The lowest I've seen them is $4,500.[/quote]
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post #6779 of 13870
3/24/10 at 8:42am
Don't know why there is so much hate for B&W, to each his own is how I live. If someone thinks a speaker sounds better to them, get it. I'm no audio expert but have have some semi nice stuff since about 1979 where I had a pair of JBL 4311 back in school. Them babies cranked out tunes for many many parties. They also subbed a couple times for stage monitors for some battle of the bands. I then turned to a more sutle speaker with some Vandersteen 2CE (About 10 years ago) and they are some really accurate speaker for 2 channel enjoyment.
I started my home theater with the Vandy's as my fronts and they worked pretty good. The next change (about 1-1/2 years ago) is where I got the following B&W's and they are outstanding...
B&W 805D Front
B&W HTM4 Center
B&W CWM LCR-7 rear wall mount
B&W CCM-8 rear ceiling
SVS Ultra 13 Sub
I got the 805D for the fronts because they not only sound great, they will fit into my front cabinet design that wraps the 106" screen. This system not only sounds great for theater applications, it sounds nice for 2 channel music. The SVS sub helps the 805's with the low freq and provides a great sub for movies. I tried several different subs and I can tell you without hesitation the SVS sub is the best sub on earth for under $3000. Maybe $5000. I didn't check out any $5K subs cause they were out of my price range, but all I can tell you is you better bring something substantial if your trying to beat the SVS. Opps, this is a B&W thread, sorry I got side track on the the SVS sub.

Anyway, I'm very happy with the B&W's and probably will not change speakers for many, many years. Is there better speakers available, sure, are there cheaper speaker available, you bet. Are there better and cheaper speaker available, maybe... I'm happy with what I have and will not look back and say, I should have bought these speakers or that speaker. I'm a happy camper.
My next upgrade will most likely be with Pre amp, Processor, amp seperates, but that a long way down the road.
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3/24/10 at 11:45am
Upgrade from 683s?

I've had 683s since the spring after they launched (can't remember for the life of me if that was 1 or 2 years ago) and I like them.

But for some reason I am still suffering from upgraditis, so I'm starting to think of next steps. 804Di's would be killer but there is just no way I can swing that any time soon. 805Di's might be doable with the sale of the 83's though.

Question: is the CM9 a nice enough upgrade or should I really be looking for at the 805, or possibly a dicontinued 804? (oh, and Paradigms will get another listen before all is said and done )

Edit: I should mention that my room is decent sized, 14*21ish and I use my speakers for movies and gaming mostly but music is what I will be benchmarking them on as that is where my ear is critical and when I really sit down to "listen" to the speakers.
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