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post #8161 of 17915
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Originally Posted by AudioN00b View Post

If I recall the CM series has a better crossover than the 6 series.

Which is very evident when you listen to them.
post #8162 of 17915
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Originally Posted by MUDCAT45 View Post

I would use one of the 686's as a center and see if that helps. IMO the HTM62 is one of your weakest links. .

Why do you think that?
On the B&W site you can read: The HTM62 is the smaller of the two centre speakers in the 600 Series, and is tailor-made to partner either the 684 floorstander or 685 standmount loudspeaker.

I have a problem too with my centre . I've recently bought a pair of 683's to replace my old Philips speakers. I have a pair of DM 601 S2 for surround and a CC6 S2 centre speaker.
I've bought that centre and the surrounds years ago, for use with the Philips fronts and with the idea to upgrade n the future, what I did a finaly did a few weeks ago.
And in my case, I believe the centre could be the weak(est) link. But which one should I take to replace the CC6? The HTM61 gets bad reviews and there are lots of topics on AVS that the HTM61 ain't good.
You call the 62 a weak link so maybe that's not an option for the 683's. Or can I take the CMC? Will that one fit with the 683's? The CMC2 is too expensive.
I hope you guys can give me some advise
post #8163 of 17915
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Originally Posted by patrick64 View Post

Why do you think that?
On the B&W site you can read: The HTM62 is the smaller of the two centre speakers in the 600 Series, and is tailor-made to partner either the 684 floorstander or 685 standmount loudspeaker.

I have a problem too with my centre . I've recently bought a pair of 683's to replace my old Philips speakers. I have a pair of DM 601 S2 for surround and a CC6 S2 centre speaker.
I've bought that centre and the surrounds years ago, for use with the Philips fronts and with the idea to upgrade n the future, what I did a finaly did a few weeks ago.
And in my case, I believe the centre could be the weak(est) link. But which one should I take to replace the CC6? The HTM61 gets bad reviews and there are lots of topics on AVS that the HTM61 ain't good.
You call the 62 a weak link so maybe that's not an option for the 683's. Or can I take the CMC? Will that one fit with the 683's? The CMC2 is too expensive.
I hope you guys can give me some advise

I do not think that. I know for a fact that is a weak link to me. That does not mean it is to all.
Yes, the HTM61 and 62 are made for the 68x series. Still that doesn't make either a good speaker. Besides, most centers are a compromise designed for fit or aesthetic purposes. I have auditioned Dynaudio speakers and liked select models. However, their center channels are my primary reason for not buying Dyns.
If I bought 683's my first choice would be CMC2 and secondly a 685. I would take the CMC over either HTM.

Will your dealer let you take a CMC home for audition? Then you will know for sure.
post #8164 of 17915
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Originally Posted by MUDCAT45 View Post

I do not think that. I know for a fact that is a weak link to me. That does not mean it is to all.
Yes, the HTM61 and 62 are made for the 68x series. Still that doesn't make either a good speaker. Besides, most centers are a compromise designed for fit or aesthetic purposes. I have auditioned Dynaudio speakers and liked select models. However, their center channels are my primary reason for not buying Dyns.
If I bought 683's my first choice would be CMC2 and secondly a 685. I would take the CMC over either HTM.

Will your dealer let you take a CMC home for audition? Then you will know for sure.

Thanks Mudcat. Like I said, the CMC2 is out of budget Then the CMC can be my best option. I hope my dealer will let me take one home for audition but I don't think so, but I can ask.
Anyway, I think a CMC (or even the HTM62) will be a step up from the CC6.
post #8165 of 17915
i need some help... i talked to one of the guys at http://imsproav.com/, planning to order a surge protector from them... i noticed they have a lot of other stuff, talked about speakers, told him i was interested in B&W, he told me i should consider going with another brand who have built-in amps.... what do you guys think about that? he said its easier to match with receivers....
post #8166 of 17915
Snake oil. If you like B&W, get B&W.. There is no issue matching with a receiver or any more difficult than anything else IMO..
post #8167 of 17915
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Originally Posted by NY613 View Post
i need some help... i talked to one of the guys at http://imsproav.com/, planning to order a surge protector from them... i noticed they have a lot of other stuff, talked about speakers, told him i was interested in B&W, he told me i should consider going with another brand who have built-in amps.... what do you guys think about that? he said its easier to match with receivers....
Are the other brand with built-in amps made by Meridian? While I was looking for my B&Ws, one of the other sales guys at the shop I went to also suggested a speaker with built-in amps and they were a set of Meridian Audio. I don't have pre-amp outputs to work with their speakers, so I didn't continue to pursue them. I didn't spend enough time listening to them to compare with my CM9s, but I liked the sound of the B&Ws better from the little I listened.
post #8168 of 17915
B&W CM8 any info for it's performance? Ill make this as a 2 channel set up, dedicated to music only. will this perform well? my cd = yamaha cd-s700, and amp = yamaha a-s700.
post #8169 of 17915
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Originally Posted by benjbonjovi View Post

B&W CM8 any info for it's performance? Ill make this as a 2 channel set up, dedicated to music only. will this perform well? my cd = yamaha cd-s700, and amp = yamaha a-s700.

Wondering about this myself. I'm considering upgrading my 705s and listened to the Diamond series. They sounded great, but how much of the "diminishing returns" factor involved here. For example, the 802Diamond I heard today retails for $15,000. Are they that much better than the CM9 or CM8? I will be using a NAD T775 and an Oppo 83 (or possibly 95 when that comes out).
post #8170 of 17915
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Originally Posted by NY613 View Post

i need some help... i talked to one of the guys at http://imsproav.com/, planning to order a surge protector from them... i noticed they have a lot of other stuff, talked about speakers, told him i was interested in B&W, he told me i should consider going with another brand who have built-in amps.... what do you guys think about that? he said its easier to match with receivers....

Of course they did, they don't sell B&W and by saying something completely out of left field catches you off guard, as if there HUGE advantages. I wouldn't buy anything from them, not even a surge protector.
post #8171 of 17915
What about an LCR6 s2 or LCR600 s3? Would they be considered an upgrade to the htm62 even though they are older? They seem to get good reviews while it seems the htm62 is not as highly regarded. Are there different series for the cmc center? Seems like it has been out for a while with several iterations but no change in model number.
post #8172 of 17915
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Originally Posted by gsoto View Post

What about an LCR6 s2 or LCR600 s3? Would they be considered an upgrade to the htm62 even though they are older? They seem to get good reviews while it seems the htm62 is not as highly regarded. Are there different series for the cmc center? Seems like it has been out for a while with several iterations but no change in model number.

The LCR600 s3 would be a good replacement for my CC6 but is hard to find.
post #8173 of 17915
gsoto,

PM me regarding the LCR600 S3. You just may be in luck .
post #8174 of 17915
Hey everyone, I'm getting ready to pull the trigger on purchasing 683s for LR, DS3s for SR/SL, CM Centre and I already have a Martin Logan Grado sub. My question is, I plan on purchasing the 3311 Denon, and I already have an RB1050 Rotel amp; would I be wasting my time by using the amp to power the 683s (should I just use the 3311)? Thanks!
post #8175 of 17915
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Originally Posted by Fanaticalism View Post

Of course they did, they don't sell B&W and by saying something completely out of left field catches you off guard, as if there HUGE advantages. I wouldn't buy anything from them, not even a surge protector.

There is an advantage of using active speakers. One thing is that they use bi-/tri-amping with active crossovers. This has a potential to significantly improve sound.
post #8176 of 17915
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Originally Posted by billisgod7 View Post

Hey everyone, I'm getting ready to pull the trigger on purchasing 683s for LR, DS3s for SR/SL, CM Centre and I already have a Martin Logan Grado sub. My question is, I plan on purchasing the 3311 Denon, and I already have an RB1050 Rotel amp; would I be wasting my time by using the amp to power the 683s (should I just use the 3311)? Thanks!

RB1050 may be too weak for 683. 3311 has more power than it. If you want a separate amp (683 needs real power), get something that delivers at least 200W/ch.
Also look again at possibility to get 685 instead of DS3.
post #8177 of 17915
Last week I got to listen to 804D and was really impressed by the imaging and natural sound. Except for bass sounding a bit lean overall the speakers sounded mighty fine. Unfortunately they are way out of my budget.

Now I am wondering how close 804S get to the 804D and what would I be missing with 804S?

For what its worth these speakers will go in a mixed music/ht 5.1 setup and will used with a sub (if if that makes a difference). I am setting up a system from scratch and just got a Denon 4311ci receiver. Don't have any speakers yet.

Thanks!
post #8178 of 17915
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Originally Posted by rawhit View Post

Last week I got to listen to 804D and was really impressed by the imaging and natural sound. Except for bass sounding a bit lean overall the speakers sounded mighty fine. Unfortunately they are way out of my budget.

Now I am wondering how close 804S get to the 804D and what would I be missing with 804S?

For what its worth these speakers will go in a mixed music/ht 5.1 setup and will used with a sub (if if that makes a difference). I am setting up a system from scratch and just got a Denon 4311ci receiver. Don't have any speakers yet.

Thanks!

Let your sub take care of the lows and get the 804d. Not too difficult to blend subs into the mix. What was powering the 804d for the demo?
post #8179 of 17915
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Originally Posted by rawhit View Post

Last week I got to listen to 804D and was really impressed by the imaging and natural sound. Except for bass sounding a bit lean overall the speakers sounded mighty fine. Unfortunately they are way out of my budget.

Now I am wondering how close 804S get to the 804D and what would I be missing with 804S?

For what its worth these speakers will go in a mixed music/ht 5.1 setup and will used with a sub (if if that makes a difference). I am setting up a system from scratch and just got a Denon 4311ci receiver. Don't have any speakers yet.

Thanks!

I would go with a pair of 805D and a sub over the 804S
post #8180 of 17915
i bought a demo pair of 685's off ebay and they came without the jumper plates. will this adversely affect speaker performance? they are NOT bi wired or bi amped
post #8181 of 17915
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Originally Posted by Fanaticalism View Post

Of course they did, they don't sell B&W and by saying something completely out of left field catches you off guard, as if there HUGE advantages. I wouldn't buy anything from them, not even a surge protector.

why wouldnt you buy from them? know any other site that sell surgeX at good price?
post #8182 of 17915
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Originally Posted by jeld View Post

i bought a demo pair of 685's off ebay and they came without the jumper plates. will this adversely affect speaker performance? they are NOT bi wired or bi amped

Well you need to jumper the common terminals together then with a short speaker wire, or you will be using the tweeters or bass drivers only depending upon which lugs you connect to.
post #8183 of 17915
can you explain how i do this or should i just buy this..http://dedicatedaudio.com/inc/sdetail/2128
post #8184 of 17915
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Originally Posted by jeld View Post

can you explain how i do this or should i just buy this..http://dedicatedaudio.com/inc/sdetail/2128

You can, but then you will have $32 less to spend on beer.
post #8185 of 17915
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Originally Posted by xMEATx View Post

Let your sub take care of the lows and get the 804d. Not too difficult to blend subs into the mix. What was powering the 804d for the demo?

You mean 804s and sub? By the way the 804d were powered by some NAD gear. Not sure about exact model number, I think the amp was from master series.

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Originally Posted by Fanaticalism View Post

I would go with a pair of 805D and a sub over the 804S

I did get to listen to 805D too (only for a short while). From mid range up they sounded as good as 804D. Do the 805D have good mid bass (above sub crossover point) impact to handle rock music?
Thanks
post #8186 of 17915
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Originally Posted by jeld View Post

can you explain how i do this or should i just buy this..http://dedicatedaudio.com/inc/sdetail/2128

Just jumper them with speaker wire...
post #8187 of 17915
now i know why my speakers sound so thin and tinny. i think i've been hearing just the tweeter. iwas worried there for a minute
post #8188 of 17915
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Originally Posted by jeld
now i know why my speakers sound so thin and tinny. i think i've been hearing just the tweeter. iwas worried there for a minute
Why not buy some bi wires? They will sound better too.
post #8189 of 17915
Dear all - I have a 684 set up 5.1 (i.e. 684s + HTM62 + 686s + ASW610).

However, due to the small room I am in, the 6886s at the rear are becoming a bit of an issue of coverage as I am not able to get them far away enough for me. This causes me to be dissatisfied with the way the two rears behave as the bookshelfs are very directional. In the future when I have a bigger place, I will want to use the 686s but I am currently wanting to -

Buy two small satellite speakers as rears ..ideally one of those like Mirage which is omnidirectional. I will use the 686s as front wides or something if possible or for Zone 2 type of thing later. I have Denon 3311ci.

Can anybody suggest good satellite speakers (small size that I intend to mount on a stand to go almost 58 inch using the Sanus Dolby compliant stand). I already mount 686 on that 10 lbs capable stand which is good but am not wanting to increase it all the way to 58 inch due to the weight and the way the center of gravity works for 686 and also can't point them back down.

Anyone use satellite speakers that go well with 684s or 600 series so far ? Originally I wanted to have M1 speakers but thought 686 is better for music timbre matching. In practice I really prefer stereo listening or minimal rear sound for music...so probably M1 is still a choice.
post #8190 of 17915
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Originally Posted by svbp007 View Post

Anyone use satellite speakers that go well with 684s or 600 series so far ?

I use a pair of Behringer B2031P for surrounds, with 683s for LR and 685s for C, surround back, and DSX wides. In fact, I prefer the B2031Ps over 685s for surrounds.

They are big and hard to drive, though.

I would think their smaller sibling (B2030P?) would be good, too, and they apparently measure at least as good as the B2031Ps, both on- and off-axis.
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