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post #8461 of 17969
Need some help here my week old CM8s seem to sound bright with just about everything. They are being run on a Marantz SR8002. Up to today I have only been able to listen to them for about an hour. Is this because of my setup or because they need to break in a tad more?
post #8462 of 17969
Hello,
Recently changing out my two fronts from dm603 s2's to cm 4's. Wanted to know what people think about keeping my lcr600 as my center channel, or if the cmc is better, either as a match or a speaker in general. I know it's a later generation, but is the newer cmc2 worth considering with the cm 4's? I know alot depends on my ear/tastes, but wanted to get some more viewpoints.

Also, currently running the system with only a Yamaha RXV861.. Is that enough juice for the "new" speakers (and was it enough juice for the 603's)? Rest is a a bit of a ragtag setup - ASW300 sub, 600s3's in the back (likely will be swapping out for cm 2's).

Thanks.
post #8463 of 17969
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Originally Posted by Scourge1 View Post

Thanks again Laura for the help on my system earlier (don't think I ever thanked you).

You're welcome.

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As to the above, I would recommend trying to save for the CM-5s over CM-1s if possible.

Good point. For music, I'd agree. A couple of months ago I did some A/B comparisons on the CM-5 and CM-1 at Magnolia with different several tracks, and there was a big difference when flipping between them. The CM-5 has a much fuller sound. It's not a subtle difference at all -- music sounds much better on the CM-5. A subwoofer would probably make up some of the difference, but not all of it.

But for surround channels for movie watching, I don't think it would matter much. (Even the Magnolia guy agreed; he said "unless you're planning to listen to lots of 5.1 music, just get the CM-1s.") Until yesterday I was using a pair of CM-1s as my surrounds and they sounded great and blended in well, especially after Audyssey MultEQ got through with them. I just replaced them with CM-5s and demoted the CM-1s to front height duty, but the new CM-5s are probably overkill. I splurged on them mostly so I'll have more flexibility if I decide to move them to another room later. And besides, my 2010 bonus arrives next week.

Summary: for movie surround sound, the CM-1s are fine. For multi-channel music, the CM-5s are much better.

-- Laura
post #8464 of 17969
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Originally Posted by Swedish Hi-Fi View Post

Well, what can I say other than: Congratulations!!!
...and welcome to upgrade hell!

Be sure to post some pics and your first impressions once you've got them, ok?
Which colour did you go for?

Upgrade hell ... I know all about it. I switched from stereo to HT in 2005 after having the B&W DM3000 for 22 years. I upgraded to the 700 series, then the 800 series including a few changes of amplifiers, CD-DVD players, TV's ...the works.

I ordered the 802Di in Cherrywood and once everything (including new furniture for the equipment) is set up; I will ask one of my nieces to post some pics. I don't have a digital camera etc... weird, not ?
post #8465 of 17969
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Originally Posted by AudioN00b View Post

Need some help here my week old CM8s seem to sound bright with just about everything. They are being run on a Marantz SR8002. Up to today I have only been able to listen to them for about an hour. Is this because of my setup or because they need to break in a tad more?

What is your room like? Have you found other speakers to be bright in your room?

Did you run the Audyssey calibration correctly? Positioning the microphone correctly is crucial for getting flat response in your room. One person posted earlier in one of the threads who had his microphone too high found that Audyssey boosted his treble too much. Follow the tips in the Audyssey thread for how to get the most out of your calibration
post #8466 of 17969
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Originally Posted by AudioN00b View Post

Need some help here my week old CM8s seem to sound bright with just about everything. They are being run on a Marantz SR8002. Up to today I have only been able to listen to them for about an hour. Is this because of my setup or because they need to break in a tad more?

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Originally Posted by warpdrive View Post

What is your room like? Have you found other speakers to be bright in your room?

Did you run the Audyssey calibration correctly? Positioning the microphone correctly is crucial for getting flat response in your room. One person posted earlier in one of the threads who had his microphone too high found that Audyssey boosted his treble too much. Follow the tips in the Audyssey thread for how to get the most out of your calibration

Re-do Audyssey with the maximum number of spots. I use the full eight spots with my Audyssey calibrations.

Not sure if you have room behind your couch or not. Let us know and we can tell you where to put the microphone for all eight positions. Also, make sure the mic is ear level. This is usually around 42" for a normal couch and body size. If your couch is higher or lower than a normal couch or you have a longer torso, your 42" number may change.
post #8467 of 17969
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Originally Posted by Jeepers1 View Post


Upgrade hell ... I know all about it. I switched from stereo to HT in 2005 after having the B&W DM3000 for 22 years. I upgraded to the 700 series, then the 800 series including a few changes of amplifiers, CD-DVD players, TV's ...the works.

I ordered the 802Di in Cherrywood and once everything (including new furniture for the equipment) is set up; I will ask one of my nieces to post some pics. I don't have a digital camera etc... weird, not ?

Ahh. DM300... Classic!
-Actually never heard them, but heard plenty OF them!

Cherrywood's what I have myself, and by me, they're by far the best looking ones of the 802:s. The high gloss ones only look cheesy.
The cherrywood veneer makes them look like the exquisite instrument they are!

The 805:s are really good looking in HG black, and the 804 too, but no. The headed models should be wood in my opinion.

...may I ask what amp you've decided to go with? I'm in a power pickle myself as you've seen.

How long will you have to wait for until delivery? Looking forward to see the pics. Will submit my current setup once I'm home during daylight. Damn polar nights! Heh.
post #8468 of 17969
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Originally Posted by warpdrive View Post

What is your room like? Have you found other speakers to be bright in your room?

Hard to describe I'll post a diagram later tonight. My previous speakers (B&W 685s) Have not sounded bright

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Originally Posted by warpdrive View Post

Did you run the Audyssey calibration correctly? Positioning the microphone correctly is crucial for getting flat response in your room. One person posted earlier in one of the threads who had his microphone too high found that Audyssey boosted his treble too much. Follow the tips in the Audyssey thread for how to get the most out of your calibration

The more I read about it the more I'm going to say no. I'm trying to read up on this though.


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Originally Posted by Hammie View Post

Re-do Audyssey with the maximum number of spots. I use the full eight spots with my Audyssey calibrations.

Not sure if you have room behind your couch or not. Let us know and we can tell you where to put the microphone for all eight positions. Also, make sure the mic is ear level. This is usually around 42" for a normal couch and body size. If your couch is higher or lower than a normal couch or you have a longer torso, your 42" number may change.

Yes there is room behind the couch. I also know that I did not go with the standard 42 inches. Let me put a diagram together tonight on what I have been doing on the past with the 685s and the calibration when I first got the CM8s.



Hard to describe I'll post a diagram later tonight.
post #8469 of 17969
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Originally Posted by Swedish Hi-Fi View Post

Ahh. DM300... Classic!
-Actually never heard them, but heard plenty OF them!

Cherrywood's what I have myself, and by me, they're by far the best looking ones of the 802:s. The high gloss ones only look cheesy.
The cherrywood veneer makes them look like the exquisite instrument they are!

The 805:s are really good looking in HG black, and the 804 too, but no. The headed models should be wood in my opinion.

...may I ask what amp you've decided to go with? I'm in a power pickle myself as you've seen.

How long will you have to wait for until delivery? Looking forward to see the pics. Will submit my current setup once I'm home during daylight. Damn polar nights! Heh.

Currently I have a 3.1 set up since I was not impressed with the surrounds of the 700 5.1 set up in my living room. So I sold all of them and for the time being I will keep my Yamaha Z11. If I were to sell my center and my Yamaha; I would consider purchasing the Lyngdorf TDA2200 but as already mentioned in a previous post, I don't have the funds now.

If money was no issue, McIntosh or Classe would be on my short list.


My dealer is coming to my house on Thursday evening to pick up the 803D's; he seems to have found a potential buyer. I will then ask him when the delivery is because I didn't even bother to ask that when I ordered them by mail.
post #8470 of 17969
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Originally Posted by macmd View Post

need some advice.

have a large great room 20 ft x 25 ft with 16 ft high ceilings that I am setting up for home theater. unfortunately the floorplan of my house is very open so this room is also open to the kitchen, dining room, and foyer

can't have floorstanding speakers as my son is crawling around and pulling down everything

so my setup would be Lt and Rt bookshelf speakers with center speaker and my rears would be ceiling speakers.

went to B&W certified seller and this is what I am considering as recommended by them

CMC2 center
CM5 bookshelfs for the fronts
CCM 664 ceiling speakers for the rears
JL F110 for subwoofer vs ASW10CM subwoofer (or should I go with the
JL F112 or ASW12CM?)
Denon AVR 4311 for receiver

are the ceiling speakers that were chosen adequatefor the room size? are they equivalent to the series of speakers that were chosen?

any recommendations/input would be greatly appreciated

thanks in advance

For room of your size forget about bookshelves. You need large speakers. Also you likely need 15-18" sub. Otherwise you won't be able get anywhere near reference level.
post #8471 of 17969
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Originally Posted by ap1 View Post

For room of your size forget about bookshelves. You need large speakers. Also you likely need 15-18" sub. Otherwise you won't be able get anywhere near reference level.

Did you note that he can't have floorstanding speakers? (kids) The CM5's with a high quality 10" or 12" subwoofer can get very loud especially used with CMC2 as most of the audio will heard from the center in a home theater setting except when reproducing multi speaker sound effects or music. I heard a demo of a similar setup at dealer this last weekend, and in this case the 12" Martin Logan Dynamo 1000 used with CM5's/CMC2 was more then adequate for the job.
post #8472 of 17969
Ok here is what I'm working with for my apartment. Aside from the floor plan I apologize for the very poor quality of my diagrams. So please bear with me.

Picture one is the floor plan: This is roughly what everything looks like.

Picture two is a very crude mock up of where everything is: Speakers are about 2 feet from the stand. And they are slightly towed in. The couch is about 6-7 feet from the TV stand.

Picture Three is how I did the the first Audyssey calibration. The lines indicate where the mic placement was. The mic placement for the second calibration is below the crude picture of the couch. I should also note that the mic positions 4-6 were about 6 feet from my couch.
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post #8473 of 17969
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Originally Posted by JohnAV View Post

Did you note that he can't have floorstanding speakers? (kids) The CM5's with a high quality 10" or 12" subwoofer can get very loud especially used with CMC2 as most of the audio will heard from the center in a home theater setting except when reproducing multi speaker sound effects or music. I heard a demo of a similar setup at dealer this last weekend, and in this case the 12" Martin Logan Dynamo 1000 used with CM5's/CMC2 was more then adequate for the job.

Did you hear CM5 in more than 8000 cubic feet room? Small kids are usually no issue if you do not take grills off. Kids are not interested in plain looking surfaces - I have one myself, so I know what I say here. Small kids are more likely knock down stand playing ball or something. And you can't expect that one relatively small sub will fill that room with low frequency sound.
post #8474 of 17969
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Originally Posted by AudioN00b View Post

Picture Three is how I did the the first Audyssey calibration. The lines indicate where the mic placement was. The mic placement for the second calibration is below the crude picture of the couch. I should also note that the mic positions 4-6 were about 6 feet from my couch.

well, how did the second calibration affect the sound? If you go into the Audyssey menu now, you can see the rough equalization curve that Audyssey calculated for you. The first measurement during calibration should always be at the center sitting position, and the rest are should be at the same height but different positions. The mic should be fixed to a tripod. I found my best results was to get a spatial average both in front and behind the main seats.

If you had put the mic directly on the couch in that first attempt, that definitely would have negative affected the calibration, since the sound would have reflected off the couch surfaces. You only want to let reflections of the overall room affect the sound, and take care to avoid reflections near the mic (hence the tripod).

I think you should find the sound in your second attempt to be more balanced. If anything, Audyssey should make the sound less bright (which is by design, Audyssey's default target is a cut in the treble above 5Khz)
post #8475 of 17969
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Originally Posted by ap1 View Post

Did you hear CM5 in more than 8000 cubic feet room? Small kids are usually no issue if you do not take grills off. Kids are not interested in plain looking surfaces - I have one myself, so I know what I say here. Small kids are more likely knock down stand playing ball or something. And you can't expect that one relatively small sub will fill that room with low frequency sound.

It depends all on the intended listening volume. I don't consider that a super size room, 20 X 25 even if it does have a high ceiling. One good 12" sub-woofer (500 watts rms) will do the job unless he wants a lot of bass, which the 4311 allows you to drive dual subwoofers. CM speakers have grills that a kid could dislodge off, and tweeters that are easily poked in, can't blame him for being concerned.
post #8476 of 17969
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Originally Posted by JohnAV View Post

It depends all on the intended listening volume. I don't consider that a super size room, 20 X 25 even if it does have a high ceiling. One good 12" sub-woofer (500 watts rms) will do the job unless he wants a lot of bass, which the 4311 allows you to drive dual subwoofers. CM speakers have grills that a kid could dislodge off, and tweeters that are easily poked in, can't blame him for being concerned.

The wattage required for any particular subwoofer is more a function of it's design(sealed vs. ported,enclosure volume,magnet structure,cone material for a start) than the room volume. A single 12" sub won't be adequate for 8000 cu ft. Just as an example,Velodyne recommends either 2 15"subs or a single 18"(depending on series). http://www.velodyne.com/vcomparesub/selectsub.aspx Some subwoofers have more output than others,but I don't think a single 12" sub would be adequate for a 8000 cu ft. area.
post #8477 of 17969
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Originally Posted by AudioN00b View Post

Ok here is what I'm working with for my apartment. Aside from the floor plan I apologize for the very poor quality of my diagrams. So please bear with me.

Picture one is the floor plan: This is roughly what everything looks like.

Picture two is a very crude mock up of where everything is: Speakers are about 2 feet from the stand. And they are slightly towed in. The couch is about 6-7 feet from the TV stand.

Picture Three is how I did the the first Audyssey calibration. The lines indicate where the mic placement was. The mic placement for the second calibration is below the crude picture of the couch. I should also note that the mic positions 4-6 were about 6 feet from my couch.

Ok.

First, the mic needs to stay at same level for all positions. Use a tripod if you have not.

Next, you want to use eight positions. I would recommend using the first picture for your microphone positions.



Last, use an SPL meter to confirm all speakers are at the same db setting.

One other VERY important piece of information. Try to get your house as quiet as possible. No kids. No pets. No TV. No fans. No dimmed lights. Just complete silence.
post #8478 of 17969
Doh forgot about the listing results. It defiantly sounds a lot better. It was also nice to have all of the mic positions at a consistent height instead of running the calibration the way I used to.

After my first attempt I listened to the Society of Sound edition of Gwyneth Herbert's "Ten Lives". I found the her last track "Good Night my Baby" really bright or at least brighter than I'm used to when I listened to that track through my MarkL modded Denon headphones or the 685s. Initially I thought it was just the musician so turned on my radio to a classical station. Not sure of the song or composer but I found the violins, horns, and flutes just as bright if not annoying. For rock, well it was really hit and miss. This never happened with my 685s.

With the second calibration I noticed a improvement with Ms. Herbert's voice. It wasn't painfully bright as before but still bright (probably more to do with her voice and the way the track was done). I also listened to some stuff on the local classical station. The not sure about the titles for those songs. But it had the same elements as the other day. But I noticed the aforementioned instruments were not as bright or as annoying. It actually sounded just right.

Unfortunately I do not have the results from the first test. I do have the results from the second test. Just remember that the Marantz Sr8002 has a very simplistic GUI so no graphs were displayed. I should also note that the Audyssey version on my receiver can only do six positions and that this is only a two channel room. Also these tests were done with the fans off. Kids and pets, wife are no factor as I'm a confirmed bachelor (if I were married I would be talking about Audyssey setup from the dog house that or posting from said doghouse).

Page 1: Speaker size
THX Speaker: No
Sub: None
Front: Large
Center: None
Surround: None
Surround Back: Speaker C (note speakers are bi-amped)
Surround Back size: ***
LPH/HPF: 60Hz
Bass mix: ***

Page 2: Speaker distance in feet.
Front L: 8.4
Front R: 8.8

Page 3: Speaker level
Front L: -1 Db
Front R: +1 Db

Hopefully this is enough information. Thanks for the help so far.
post #8479 of 17969
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Originally Posted by AudioN00b View Post

. I should also note that the Audyssey version on my receiver can only do six positions and that this is only a two channel room.

everything looks ok. Definitely measure three on your couch. The last three positions is up to your discretion but I would measure two just slightly in front of the couch and then one behind. That gave me the best results wheh I only had six positions

Good to know it's working better though
post #8480 of 17969
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Originally Posted by AudioN00b View Post

[...]

After my first attempt I listened to the Society of Sound edition of Gwyneth Herbert's "Ten Lives". I found the her last track "Good Night my Baby" really bright or at least brighter than I'm used to when I listened to that track through my MarkL modded Denon headphones or the 685s. Initially I thought it was just the musician so turned on my radio to a classical station. Not sure of the song or composer but I found the violins, horns, and flutes just as bright if not annoying. For rock, well it was really hit and miss. This never happened with my 685s.

[...]

My version doesn't have that track. My last track is Midnight Oil... Track 11/11.

EDIT: I just listened to that track and I can see how you could think the name is "Good Night, my Baby."

Since it is an a cappella song, her voice alone is forward, but not to the point of discomfort, IMO.

Although I have never heard the Marantz that you own, I always felt the Denon and Marantz sound was very warm and laid back to begin with. I also have not had a chance to heard the CM8's, but the CM9's and CM7's that I heard were not very musical. This was the final reason I stepped up the 800 Series. I listen to 80-90% music and the rest TV/movies. The last thing wou may want to consider is an external amplifier. This can sometimes clean up and provide the additional punch a receivers internal amplifiers may not be able to provide.
post #8481 of 17969
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Originally Posted by AudioN00b View Post


Page 1: Speaker size
THX Speaker: No
Sub: None
Front: Large
Center: None
Surround: None
Surround Back: Speaker C (note speakers are bi-amped)
Surround Back size: ***
LPH/HPF: 60Hz
Bass mix: ***

Hopefully this is enough information. Thanks for the help so far.

I have the SR8002 also. I have been wanting to bi-amp my 683's with it-- however, i'm not sure how to do it based on the instructions in the Marantz manual.

How did you do yours? Just connect the Surround Backs to the speakers and then flip the SPEAKER C switch on the back of the receiver to "on"?

Is that it? Is there anything else you need to do, like with the on-screen display? How do you know if the Surround back terminals from the receiver go to the high or low terminals on the back of the speaker??

Thanks!
post #8482 of 17969
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Originally Posted by Reid_T View Post

Lucky you! You have the extremely enviable luck to like least expensive option! Unfortunately, I like the progressively more expensive members of the 800 line. Damn my ears. :-(

Truthfully, they're all beyond my financial means, but I usually have the expectation that the bigger, "better" speaker will indeed be an improvement, but in the case of the 800 series, that just didn't happen for me. The 804 through 800 all have a very similar sonic signature, and that sonic signature is quite different than the 805. Like I said before, I felt that the 804 through 800 all had a glaring midrange that I found made male vocals very unnatural sounding, whereas the 805s did not have this glare. I also felt that the treble was too laid back in the 804-800, but much more "there" on the 805s. I've since seen some frequency response measurements of the 802s and the 805s from Home Theater magazine, and not surprisingly, their measured response gives a perfect visual of exactly what I was hearing.
post #8483 of 17969
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Originally Posted by Jim85IROC View Post

I felt that the 804 through 800 all had a glaring midrange that I found made male vocals very unnatural sounding, whereas the 805s did not have this glare. I also felt that the treble was too laid back in the 804-800, but much more "there" on the 805s. I've since seen some frequency response measurements of the 802s and the 805s from Home Theater magazine, and not surprisingly, their measured response gives a perfect visual of exactly what I was hearing.

From the graph, the 805 has noticeably exaggerated treble, and a pronounced depression in the midrange.

post #8484 of 17969
Hi all,

I just recently moved into a new house where I will be building a home theater (pics of the proposed theater and existing room below). Room will be approx 14x20

In my old theater I was running 604s3s with an LCR600 and Sunfire junior sub with in-ceiling surrounds off a Pioneer SC-07 AVR

Right before the move I got a sick deal on a barely used setup consisting of 7NTs with a CNT center and an ASW650 Sub.

Here's the plan -
- 7NTs and CNT for the fronts,
- 604s3s as the sides
- LCR600s as rears (purchased an additional LCR600)
- Dual ASW650s (purchased an additional one of these as well)

So.... Two questions for all the experts out there (i'm kind of flying blind here so i appreciate any advice)

Question #1: Is it a stupid idea to use 604s and LCR as my surrounds? (I can use them in another zone or 2 in the house)

Question #2: I'm assuming I need a real amp - hoping to keep it under 3K and use the SC-07 as a pre - any thoughts on the best amp for this setup

Note: Ideally the next upgrade is the to the 800 series (802 or 803) at which point I was thinking of moving the 7NTs to sides and getting another CNT and using those as the rears

Thanks to all in advance - hoping to have at least a soundproof room to start testing in within the next month or two.

p.s. here's my HT build thread: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...php?p=19910543
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post #8485 of 17969
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Originally Posted by sofast1 View Post

I think the Yamaha and the CM8s,CMC and CM1s will be very,very nice! Once the tweaking is done,you're gonna love it! Congratulations!!

I'm also considering the Monitor Audio Apex package. I know this is a B&W forum but for movies would the MA be inferior to the CM8 system? And would it be a good upgrade over the MT-30?
post #8486 of 17969
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Originally Posted by pppp1 View Post

I'm also considering the Monitor Audio Apex package. I know this is a B&W forum but for movies would the MA be inferior to the CM8 system? And would it be a good upgrade over the MT-30?

You're comparing apples and grapes. Very nice apples and very nice grapes,but still different fruit. Monitor Audio(another well respected British speaker manufacturer) makes speakers that are comparable to the CM system you're considering,but the Apex system isn't one of them.The Apex is a 2-way satellite/sub system(it's a very good one),which means size was one of the major factors in it's design,while the CM8 is a 3-way floor standing speaker with audio performance it's priority. Aside from the piano black finish,they have nothing in common. Yes,I think the Apex would be a small step up from the MT-30 system,but the CM system would be a much bigger step up,it's going to have a LOT more impact(a 5" FST mid and two 5" woofers vs. a 5 1/4 mid/bass) especially with movies. Monitor Audio does make some very nice floor standing speakers(and centers and bookshelves) and IF you can find a dealer,they are worthy of an audition. You won't have much difficulty deciding if you like the B&W or the MA better as they sound quite different. Which should you buy? As I've said before,"beauty is in the ear of the beholder". Buy what makes you smile.
post #8487 of 17969
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Originally Posted by Jim85IROC View Post

Truthfully, they're all beyond my financial means, but I usually have the expectation that the bigger, "better" speaker will indeed be an improvement, but in the case of the 800 series, that just didn't happen for me.

To be more precise, I loved the 805's, as well as the others. They're all "expensive", and I think I would be very happy with the 805's, particularly in a smaller room. I suspect very few people can or would actually buy the speaker they would ideally like best - there's other stuff to spend money on (gasp).
post #8488 of 17969
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Originally Posted by jastone7373 View Post

I have the SR8002 also. I have been wanting to bi-amp my 683's with it-- however, i'm not sure how to do it based on the instructions in the Marantz manual.

How did you do yours? Just connect the Surround Backs to the speakers and then flip the SPEAKER C switch on the back of the receiver to "on"?

Yes you will need to connect the last two surround backs to the the top plugs of your speakers. So for your left speaker you will use the second to the last input. For the right speaker the last input. For your bottom connection you will use the traditional left/right speaker jacks.

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Originally Posted by jastone7373 View Post

Is that it? Is there anything else you need to do, like with the on-screen display? How do you know if the Surround back terminals from the receiver go to the high or low terminals on the back of the speaker??

Yep that's pretty much it.

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Originally Posted by Hammie View Post

Although I have never heard the Marantz that you own, I always felt the Denon and Marantz sound was very warm and laid back to begin with. I also have not had a chance to heard the CM8's, but the CM9's and CM7's that I heard were not very musical. This was the final reason I stepped up the 800 Series. I listen to 80-90% music and the rest TV/movies. The last thing wou may want to consider is an external amplifier. This can sometimes clean up and provide the additional punch a receivers internal amplifiers may not be able to provide.

I'm considering it. Although I might be moving in a couple of months so no new big toys for a while .
post #8489 of 17969
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Originally Posted by AudioN00b View Post

Yes you will need to connect the last two surround backs to the the top plugs of your speakers. So for your left speaker you will use the second to the last input. For the right speaker the last input. For your bottom connection you will use the traditional left/right speaker jacks.

Cool-- looks like what you described is what they illustrated in the manual-- but you said it a lot better... haha. I'll give it a shot this weekend.. thanks.
post #8490 of 17969
I am looking for two pairs of in ceiling speakers for listening to stereo music in two acoustically challenged rooms-- my dining room and kitchen. The dining room in particular is challenging because it has mostly open walls to other rooms on three sides. The room sizes are about 20 x 14 (dining) and 16 x 12 (kitchen.)

I have tried a couple of brands and they've had limitations. These are mostly being used for music with a sonos system. The system is getting used A LOT by my family, so I want to get the sound right.

My installer is suggesting the B+W CCM 682 or 683 speakers. Have any forum members had experience with these who could comment on their sound?

Thanks.
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