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post #9901 of 17845
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Originally Posted by jparker36 View Post

In my research over the past few weeks, and talking to a lot of people, I've determined that none of these three are the right solution.

For you. We are all not alike,hence the sales of pre/pros. Not saying that you decision is wrong,but what's right for you might not be what other folks want(then again, it might).

BTW; the 4311 is $2099 on Amazon,$500 more than the Marantz, same as Onkyo. Audiogon is used gear, should be way less.
post #9902 of 17845
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Originally Posted by sofast1 View Post


For you. We are all not alike,hence the sales of pre/pros. Not saying that you decision is wrong,but what's right for you might not be what other folks want(then again, it might).

BTW; the 4311 is $2099 on Amazon,$500 more than the Marantz, same as Onkyo. Audiogon is used gear, should be way less.

What's right for me is right for everyone... Also, I love Truthspeak!!! OK, kidding but the 4311 is pretty fantastic. I use it in 11.2 with an all B&W system. I power 7 channels externally with 3 Emo XPA-1s and an XPA-5. I believe the 4311 is superior to any of the current main line pres. However, I must correct the post prior. You can bypass the amp section of the 4311 in its Pre mode but the amps themselves remain live. Pre on the 4311 is not then a complete true bypass of the amp section. I know this is minute trivia though.

Also, with just a small amount of work, you can get a very, very good deal on it right now; much less then MSRP.
post #9903 of 17845
Hello I'm new to b&w speakers , recently just got a set of 5 m1 speakers and unfortunately cannot afford the pv1 subwoofer so ends up gotten a velodyne minivee to match , currently running with the denon 3312 , so far i really like it sounds . Listening area is about 9ft away 8ft wide and 9ft ceiling , living room is a open area that extend to kitchen and bedroom . Had test many movies and concert with the setup but I think there is always room for improvement , thought about upgrading the front to 653 but there not sufficient space yet , i found the centre channel is lacking of some thing , it sounds kinda hallow but without soul , wanted to upgrade the centre channel but don't know what to get , should i get the 6 series hr61 or the cm series cmc2 ? Price is not matter but I want it sounds good , just a side note i came from a pioneer sc07 receiver and kef iq series speakers , recently just moved out so have to build everything again , please give me some thoughts
post #9904 of 17845
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Originally Posted by SeattleHTGuy View Post

What's right for me is right for everyone... Also, I love Truthspeak!!! OK, kidding but the 4311 is pretty fantastic. I use it in 11.2 with an all B&W system. I power 7 channels externally with 3 Emo XPA-1s and an XPA-5. I believe the 4311 is superior to any of the current main line pres. However, I must correct the post prior. You can bypass the amp section of the 4311 in its Pre mode but the amps themselves remain live. Pre on the 4311 is not then a complete true bypass of the amp section. I know this is minute trivia though.

Also, with just a small amount of work, you can get a very, very good deal on it right now; much less then MSRP.

+1! Hearing from an owner always helps if you can't get your hands on one yourself before making a buying decision(and what to look for if you can)!
I've often wondered why they don't take an avr like yours(and others of that level) and remove the tuner and power amps and sell it for hundreds less.
I've even heard mid-level avrs with external amps that sounded very nice. Remove the amps and tuner and you could have a $400 pre/pro!

BTW; Great amps!!(no such thing as too much money,horsepower or watts!)
post #9905 of 17845
Does the Denon 4311 have Neo X?
post #9906 of 17845
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Originally Posted by nnnnny View Post

unfortunately cannot afford the pv1 subwoofer ..........Price is not matter but I want it sounds good

Huh??

The M1 is part of B&W's Mini Theatre. Is your area(not just the listening area,but all connected open area) "mini"? Adding any of those center channel speakers will destroy the balance ,as they will outperform the M1's. It's really meant to be used as a system. You could,however,replace the front three speakers and keep the M1s for rear channels(keep in mind that the M1 only has a 4" mid and a 1" tweeter,so they won't produce a lot of bass even in the rear. They're really meant to be used with a sub). Anything from 685s and a HTM62 to CM5s and a CMC2 would be a big improvement.
post #9907 of 17845
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Originally Posted by ap1 View Post

I am afraid 685s are too small to serve as fronts for place of that size. I recommend floor standers like 683.

Thanks for the imput. I spoke to my dealer yesterday and He let me have his floor sample pair of 685 to try till mine came in or I could upgrade. I set them up and found that they worked amazingly well in my system. I was even amazed how well theysounded in just direct two channel mode. They blended very well with my B&W center for multi channel and home theater. I think I am definately satisfied with the at this time. Before I would go larger I think i might gradually replace my surrounds with the 685 smaller cousins or equeals in the future. Definately got the B&W bug .

For those concerned about the annoying clicking on the current Integra or Onkyo models it is almost totally non existant except slilghtly when changing sources. I came from th 08 series and Had an integra 50.3 and now Onkyo 3009 which also works well with the 685's.
post #9908 of 17845
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Originally Posted by tmaschm View Post

Does the Denon 4311 have Neo X?

no
post #9909 of 17845
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Originally Posted by sofast1 View Post



+1! Hearing from an owner always helps if you can't get your hands on one yourself before making a buying decision(and what to look for if you can)!
I've often wondered why they don't take an avr like yours(and others of that level) and remove the tuner and power amps and sell it for hundreds less.
I've even heard mid-level avrs with external amps that sounded very nice. Remove the amps and tuner and you could have a $400 pre/pro!

BTW; Great amps!!(no such thing as too much money,horsepower or watts!)

They mass produce the AVRs, so spending the time to remove the amps and such isn't worth it unfortunately. My opinion on the 4311 was just my opinion, but in this range, and especially with the discounts they're doing on the 4311 (check the found deals forum, twice this month its been 1299), I don't know of a better unit.
I would personally love an Anthem D2v or AVM 50v, but until I am willing to spend that cash, the Denon unit will fit the bill.
post #9910 of 17845
Would $800 make a difference to me?......Hell Yeah!!
Forums do,however, go more smoothly when opinions aren't stated as facts.

Everybody have a great new year!!!
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post #9912 of 17845
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Originally Posted by Phoenyx View Post

I've got a pair of B&W CM5s hooked up to a HRT Music Streamer II and a Marantz SR6005 receiver and then to my MacBook Pro with lossless. My question is though, should I get a B&W CM Center or B&W CM Center 2? Is it worth the premium and will it over shine my CM5s?

Do you feel that the HSU VTF-1 is a good sub to match?

What do you think it is the weakest link in my system?

It's for a 20 x 15 x 14 room; 50% music/50% HT.

Hi Phoenyx,

I also have CM5s for the front, along with a Hsu VTF-1, Def Tech ProMonitor 1000s for the rears, and Denon 1911 AVR, and last week I just bought a brand new CM Center to replace my LCR60 S3, which had replaced a CC6 S2. My LR is 15x15x8, and I listen to 70% 2 ch music/30% HT.

For me, the VTF-1 has been fantastic, and as I live in an apartment, it is just the right balance of musicality and HT bass for my needs, and can really rock the room when my neighbors are at work. For your size room, might the larger VTF-2 work a bit better, since your room is larger? I've found the tech support at Hsu to be incredible, and I am sure they can guide you toward the right sub that will offer no more than what you will need without overkill, sound-wise or money-wise.

The new CMC has made a nice difference in clarity and balance across the front for me, as it blends much more smoothly than my old center. It is even a bit smaller than the LCR60, so it has been easy to place at the bottom of the TV stand, and much nicer in the piano black to match the CM5s than the black ash of the LCR60. I haven't listened to a CMC2, but at the price point and size, it wasn't right for me, as I will want to put more towards better electronics soon.

I will start the process this week to work with the local indep. high end retailer who sold me the CMC for the nice price of $575 cash in order to upgrade my electronics so that there is better low volume detail, which I find clearly lacking with the Denon. The guy that sold me the new center was quite knowledgeable but not at all pushy, despite my openly telling him that my financial resources were limited. He seems ideal to work with, and right off the bat suggested that a Peachtree DAC-iT for $460 would significantly open up the sound for CDs on my Oppo 93. (Does anyone have any experience with this unit?) When I stop in this week, I will post about his suggestions in order to get feedback from members, as I am always grateful for any and all advice. Let me know what you end up with, as it will be interesting to compare notes on our similar, developing systems!
post #9913 of 17845
Hello,

I recently purchased a pair of 685s and a Denon 3312, which I love. I am still indecisive on what subwoofer to go with, but I will probably buy the ASW610 due to the incredible discount I can get. This is besides the point. I am considering upgrading the 685s to a pair of 684s/683s. I currently live in an awfully small, but absolutely temporary apartment. On occasion I take the speakers to a friends large property where I can really push them. I feel I have reached their maximum in his large room. I want more consistency at higher volumes and a wider soundstage. I would also like to future proof myself. I listen to the widest spectrum of music such as dubstep, metal, pop, classical, and folk music. I also play a fair amount of video games and would use the speakers for movies as well. They would truly be used for everything. I do not want to neglect aspects of audio that benefit the more delicate pieces such as classical music in order to have a better dubstep and home theater speaker, so I guess I'm looking for either balance or superior quality in both areas. Would anyone recommend an upgrade? Which one? Would my receiver be enough for either? I could easily bi-amp these speakers. Would that be sufficient? I can get by with the 685s if I have to, as they are perfect for my current location. The fantastic discounts I can receive will not last forever though.

Thanks so much
Kyle

EDIT: Should I be considering the CM series? And if anyone wants to chime in about the subwoofer, I would appreciate that as well.
post #9914 of 17845
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Originally Posted by crzycuyler View Post

Hello,

I recently purchased a pair of 685s and a Denon 3312, which I love. I am still indecisive on what subwoofer to go with, but I will probably buy the ASW610 due to the incredible discount I can get. This is besides the point. I am considering upgrading the 685s to a pair of 684s/683s. I currently live in an awfully small, but absolutely temporary apartment. On occasion I take the speakers to a friends large property where I can really push them. I feel I have reached their maximum in his large room. I want more consistency at higher volumes and a wider soundstage. I would also like to future proof myself. I listen to the widest spectrum of music such as dubstep, metal, pop, classical, and folk music. I also play a fair amount of video games and would use the speakers for movies as well. They would truly be used for everything. I do not want to neglect aspects of audio that benefit the more delicate pieces such as classical music in order to have a better dubstep and home theater speaker, so I guess I'm looking for either balance or superior quality in both areas. Would anyone recommend an upgrade? Which one? Would my receiver be enough for either? I could easily bi-amp these speakers. Would that be sufficient? I can get by with the 685s if I have to, as they are perfect for my current location. The fantastic discounts I can receive will not last forever though.

Thanks so much
Kyle

EDIT: Should I be considering the CM series? And if anyone wants to chime in about the subwoofer, I would appreciate that as well.


Ok first off, bi-amping / bi- wiring with a receiver is pretty much pointless. Unless you have an outboard amp with enough dedicated channels to run to each driver, then you are waisting your time. Even if you did have that, most people wouldn't bother as the alleged benefits are very few.

For a sub, you can get sooo much better performance if you go with an internet direct company instead of a b&w sub, which based on the ones I heard, suck majorly. Look into HSU, SVS, Elemental Designs, Epic, or if you have the cash, JTR and Seaton. I heard b&w's top of the line subwoofer in a demo room with the 800 diamonds, it was so bad that I actually felt bad for the shop owner. Bottoming out, distorting badly....
post #9915 of 17845
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Originally Posted by Martycool007 View Post

Ok first off, bi-amping / bi- wiring with a receiver is pretty much pointless. Unless you have an outboard amp with enough dedicated channels to run to each driver, then you are waisting your time. Even if you did have that, most people wouldn't bother as the alleged benefits are very few.

For a sub, you can get sooo much better performance if you go with an internet direct company instead of a b&w sub, which based on the ones I heard, suck majorly. Look into HSU, SVS, Elemental Designs, Epic, or if you have the cash, JTR and Seaton. I heard b&w's top of the line subwoofer in a demo room with the 800 diamonds, it was so bad that I actually felt bad for the shop owner. Bottoming out, distorting badly....

Well about the subwoofers... I can get the ASW610 for $350 and 18 months no interest financing, so I feel pretty attached. I am still considering others. If I decide against this opportunity, what subwoofers do you thing offer lively punchy sound for music and a bit of boom in home theater and gaming usage? For the price I can get, I feel the B&W subwoofers are reasonably musical.

Several of my questions where not answered, but I realize they were many. I appreciate all I can get.

Thanks!
post #9916 of 17845
You could pick up an ED A3S-250 for 350, or for 415 an a2-300. Those would both be better subs. The B&W subs just aren't as good as the ID companies.
Your speakers are fine for your current location, so why spend any money now? Put that money into a better sub. Get an ED A5-350 for 800, crossover your speakers at 80 or 100hz, and let the bookshelf speakers handle the high notes and a good sub take care of the rest.

If you desperately want to upgrade, 683s and matching center for fronts are very nice. When I got my setup, I listened to them vs the CM series, and decided it was 100% worth it to spend more and get the CM9/CMC2 for my front soundstage. You would have to audition them and make the decision for your own money, but that is what I felt.
post #9917 of 17845
Ok, first time I have heard anyone say B&W subs "suck majorly". That is a little harsh for any one of their subs and I would be surprised to hear the flagship bottom out and be over tasked. I suspect bad set up at the dealer. This thing is a sub beast. What most people agree is that B&W subs are not good value. Indeed, there are, IMHO, far better direct to consumer values. As well as smaller subs that are better designed/suited to home theater use. The B&W subs are almost all sealed tight and well suited for musical content. Also, most of the B&Ws have excellent build quality and good finish work.

The mentioned Epics are quite bland looking but many owners would not pry these subs out of their cold dead hands. SVS subs finish work is excellent but again, the cost is higher than the Epics. I own and use daily a pair of fully EQ'd little ASW2500s. Even with fake cherry covers, they look quite good and they have never stopped out. They do not playas low as some other subs and the potential volume does not match a big SVS ported sub but they do hold their own. At some point, they will be exchanged for a larger set of sealed subs from one of the recommended sub manufacturers just mentioned. The ASW 610 will do just fine. It is a very good sub just not a very good value.

Only my opinion.
post #9918 of 17845
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Originally Posted by jparker36 View Post

You could pick up an ED A3S-250 for 350, or for 415 an a2-300. Those would both be better subs. The B&W subs just aren't as good as the ID companies.
Your speakers are fine for your current location, so why spend any money now? Put that money into a better sub. Get an ED A5-350 for 800, crossover your speakers at 80 or 100hz, and let the bookshelf speakers handle the high notes and a good sub take care of the rest.

If you desperately want to upgrade, 683s and matching center for fronts are very nice. When I got my setup, I listened to them vs the CM series, and decided it was 100% worth it to spend more and get the CM9/CMC2 for my front soundstage. You would have to audition them and make the decision for your own money, but that is what I felt.

I plan to eventually invest in a MUCH better sub, but at this point I am trying to save money and keep musicality. Is 350 bucks not a good price for the ASW610? It retails at $650. I can also get 18 months no interest financing. This will have a very extensive additional warranty included at this price for 4 years. It is so hard to part from this financial opportunity! Agh!

Also, I have been thinking about using 2 x 683 in a stereo setup and eventually have a 5 x 685 surround sound setup. I like the idea of having the same speaker for each channel in surround sound and with a good sub, I would be golden... correct? Does this change your recommendation for the cm series? I know that the 600 series does not have a center that pairs well with the 683s, while the cm center speakers match much better to the cm fronts, and this isn't overly relevant to me.

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Originally Posted by SeattleHTGuy View Post

Ok, first time I have heard anyone say B&W subs "suck majorly". That is a little harsh for any one of their subs and I would be surprised to hear the flagship bottom out and be over tasked. I suspect bad set up at the dealer. This thing is a sub beast. What most people agree is that B&W subs are not good value. Indeed, there are, IMHO, far better direct to consumer values. As well as smaller subs that are better designed/suited to home theater use. The B&W subs are almost all sealed tight and well suited for musical content. Also, most of the B&Ws have excellent build quality and good finish work.

The mentioned Epics are quite bland looking but many owners would not pry these subs out of their cold dead hands. SVS subs finish work is excellent but again, the cost is higher than the Epics. I own and use daily a pair of fully EQ'd little ASW2500s. Even with fake cherry covers, they look quite good and they have never stopped out. They do not playas low as some other subs and the potential volume does not match a big SVS ported sub but they do hold their own. At some point, they will be exchanged for a larger set of sealed subs from one of the recommended sub manufacturers just mentioned. The ASW 610 will do just fine. It is a very good sub just not a very good value.

Only my opinion.

Thanks. Do you feel that 350 is a reasonable price, especially with the financing and warranty I can get? I plan to invest in an impressive subwoofer in the future from some of the ID companies, but for now I can't afford it.

Thanks again!
post #9919 of 17845
crazyculer, Yes, $350 is a very good deal plus the warranty. Again, the Epics are quite, well Epic but they don't look near as good as the B&W and the company, although well respected is not nearly as established as B&W. One of my ASW2500s did crap out and all i did was take it to the dealer and it was fixed and returned without any cost.

You need to do what you think is right and there are really great choices given for these direct to consumer sub manufacturers but if your room is not huge and you enjoy music as well as movies, I think the ASW610 is a fine choice. You can always resell the ASW at what you are paying at a letter date and make out fine.
post #9920 of 17845
Thanks SeattleHTGuy. I was thinking along those lines as well in terms of turning around and selling the subwoofer in the future. Do you have any other thoughts about the rest of the set up I've mentioned?
post #9921 of 17845
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Originally Posted by SeattleHTGuy View Post

Ok, first time I have heard anyone say B&W subs "suck majorly". That is a little harsh for any one of their subs and I would be surprised to hear the flagship bottom out and be over tasked. I suspect bad set up at the dealer. This thing is a sub beast. What most people agree is that B&W subs are not good value. Indeed, there are, IMHO, far better direct to consumer values. As well as smaller subs that are better designed/suited to home theater use. The B&W subs are almost all sealed tight and well suited for musical content. Also, most of the B&Ws have excellent build quality and good finish work.

The mentioned Epics are quite bland looking but many owners would not pry these subs out of their cold dead hands. SVS subs finish work is excellent but again, the cost is higher than the Epics. I own and use daily a pair of fully EQ'd little ASW2500s. Even with fake cherry covers, they look quite good and they have never stopped out. They do not playas low as some other subs and the potential volume does not match a big SVS ported sub but they do hold their own. At some point, they will be exchanged for a larger set of sealed subs from one of the recommended sub manufacturers just mentioned. The ASW 610 will do just fine. It is a very good sub just not a very good value.

Only my opinion.

You have to wonder why someone who does not own nor desire to own B&W speakers(check his posts) would even post on this "B&W Owners Thread"?
post #9922 of 17845
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Originally Posted by Ears to you View Post

Hi Phoenyx,

I also have CM5s for the front, along with a Hsu VTF-1, Def Tech ProMonitor 1000s for the rears, and Denon 1911 AVR, and last week I just bought a brand new CM Center to replace my LCR60 S3, which had replaced a CC6 S2. My LR is 15x15x8, and I listen to 70% 2 ch music/30% HT.

For me, the VTF-1 has been fantastic, and as I live in an apartment, it is just the right balance of musicality and HT bass for my needs, and can really rock the room when my neighbors are at work. For your size room, might the larger VTF-2 work a bit better, since your room is larger? I've found the tech support at Hsu to be incredible, and I am sure they can guide you toward the right sub that will offer no more than what you will need without overkill, sound-wise or money-wise.

The new CMC has made a nice difference in clarity and balance across the front for me, as it blends much more smoothly than my old center. It is even a bit smaller than the LCR60, so it has been easy to place at the bottom of the TV stand, and much nicer in the piano black to match the CM5s than the black ash of the LCR60. I haven't listened to a CMC2, but at the price point and size, it wasn't right for me, as I will want to put more towards better electronics soon.

I will start the process this week to work with the local indep. high end retailer who sold me the CMC for the nice price of $575 cash in order to upgrade my electronics so that there is better low volume detail, which I find clearly lacking with the Denon. The guy that sold me the new center was quite knowledgeable but not at all pushy, despite my openly telling him that my financial resources were limited. He seems ideal to work with, and right off the bat suggested that a Peachtree DAC-iT for $460 would significantly open up the sound for CDs on my Oppo 93. (Does anyone have any experience with this unit?) When I stop in this week, I will post about his suggestions in order to get feedback from members, as I am always grateful for any and all advice. Let me know what you end up with, as it will be interesting to compare notes on our similar, developing systems!

Glad to see we have similar systems. I took your advice and called HSU this morning. I think I'll have to consider a bit bigger subwoofer for the amount of bass I would like. There's quite some distance between myself and my neighbors so I think I'll go a tad overboard with the bass :lol:

I think I'll either pick up a VTF-1 and if needed, later on, pick up another one or just go with the VTF-2 MK4.

On the center though, I ended up driving to Best Buy (yeah, I know) to see if they had them on display, but unfortunately they only had the CMC there. I brought my own CD and put it against the same receiver that I had and listened for about half an hour. It does sound nice and really improves the overall soundstage which is exactly what I am looking for.

I am doing to traveling this week so I'll see if I have time to stop by a local audio store and see if they can help me decide and hopefully have the CMC2 to compare to. One thing I did forget to mention is that I haven't bought any "worthy" furniture yet so I'll be able to form my entire living room around the sound system and find something that will suit the CMC2 size if needed.

What's also pretty funny is I am looking for a good quality DAC as well. I mean, don't get me wrong, the Music Streamer is amazing but I still am not yet satisfied. I have been eyeing the PS Audio Digital Link III though.
post #9923 of 17845
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Originally Posted by crzycuyler View Post

Thanks SeattleHTGuy. I was thinking along those lines as well in terms of turning around and selling the subwoofer in the future. Do you have any other thoughts about the rest of the set up I've mentioned?

Well, if'n it were me, I'd stick with the 685's for now and just add the sub. Everyone has an opinion and all of us have bias. Since I made that clear, hear is my bias. I tend to keep speakers for a long, long time. My N805s are still in use today and I purchased them a good 13 years ago. Although they cost around $2,400 including stands and tax and I intend to keep them for another decade. This means my annual cost of ownership will be less than $100 per year for the pair. My newer 803S's will be around for a good 20 years as well. The annual cost of the big guys will come to under $250 per year. I could go through my entire 11 B&Ws and get my math down to a reasonable annual cost. Now my AVR costs more annually because I won't get as many years of ownership out of it. I am totally pleased with my 4311 now but at some sooner point some future AVR will get me to crack my wallet open. So I expect an annual cost of ownership of around $400 per year with the Denon. HTPC, Server, media distribution devices all have higher annual costs to own and operate. So, time of ownership is my bias. I skew to a long speaker ownership cycle.

In addition, you stated that your apartment is small but when you go a friends place, they get close to your personally defined limits. I believe the addition of the sub and offloading the sub 80Hz material will help you be much more satisfied with the 685s; at least for now. You can also pay off the sub (which you indicated you would finance) and then begin saving for your long term ownership dream speakers. I hate debt and could never recommend going into debt for a hobby.

I have one more major bias. I love speakers as art/furniture. The 600 series is simply functional. They sound good and have quality drivers. The detail and finish is simply baseline for me. I am guessing you are younger and for a small apartment and limited budget they hit the market. But.... If you really become a hobbyist, you may share my bias for build quality and finish work. So, I'd save up for a better line of speaker. As noted before, you could always sell your new sub and lose very little. Why not be happy with a great sounding apartment and save, save, save until you can pony up for the 800 series; perhaps used.

I would also add that to me, the 684 is sort of just a slightly deeper playing 685 with two mid bass drivers half split at handling the mid and bass. The 683 has the FST and is a true three way and the crossovers are set higher for the bass unit. IMHO you get the towers with an FST as opposed to without.

Bottom line though, I'd buy just the sub now, be perfectly happy and begin to save for your bigger place, bigger speakers, and well just long term speakers.

Remember just my biased opinion.
post #9924 of 17845
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Originally Posted by SeattleHTGuy View Post

Well, if'n it were me, I'd stick with the 685's for now and just add the sub. Everyone has an opinion and all of us have bias. Since I made that clear, hear is my bias. I tend to keep speakers for a long, long time. My N805s are still in use today and I purchased them a good 13 years ago. Although they cost around $2,400 including stands and tax and I intend to keep them for another decade. This means my annual cost of ownership will be less than $100 per year for the pair. My newer 803S's will be around for a good 20 years as well. The annual cost of the big guys will come to under $250 per year. I could go through my entire 11 B&Ws and get my math down to a reasonable annual cost. Now my AVR costs more annually because I won't get as many years of ownership out of it. I am totally pleased with my 4311 now but at some sooner point some future AVR will get me to crack my wallet open. So I expect an annual cost of ownership of around $400 per year with the Denon. HTPC, Server, media distribution devices all have higher annual costs to own and operate. So, time of ownership is my bias. I skew to a long speaker ownership cycle.

In addition, you stated that your apartment is small but when you go a friends place, they get close to your personally defined limits. I believe the addition of the sub and offloading the sub 80Hz material will help you be much more satisfied with the 685s; at least for now. You can also pay off the sub (which you indicated you would finance) and then begin saving for your long term ownership dream speakers. I hate debt and could never recommend going into debt for a hobby.

I have one more major bias. I love speakers as art/furniture. The 600 series is simply functional. They sound good and have quality drivers. The detail and finish is simply baseline for me. I am guessing you are younger and for a small apartment and limited budget they hit the market. But.... If you really become a hobbyist, you may share my bias for build quality and finish work. So, I'd save up for a better line of speaker. As noted before, you could always sell your new sub and lose very little. Why not be happy with a great sounding apartment and save, save, save until you can pony up for the 800 series; perhaps used.

I would also add that to me, the 684 is sort of just a slightly deeper playing 685 with two mid bass drivers half split at handling the mid and bass. The 683 has the FST and is a true three way and the crossovers are set higher for the bass unit. IMHO you get the towers with an FST as opposed to without.

Bottom line though, I'd buy just the sub now, be perfectly happy and begin to save for your bigger place, bigger speakers, and well just long term speakers.

Remember just my biased opinion.

You have some good points that I agree with, but I would like to add to what you said. I am too, particular about the looks of the speaker as well as the sound.

The jump from 600 to 800 series is a huge price increase, however there is much better styling as well as sound quality.

Should he only have the budget for 600 series now, he can always sell them and buy upgraded speakers later. I have read that the value of 600 series holds pretty well.

crzycuyler you should give the CM-5s a look. + sub
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I prefer the look of the 600 series to the CM's(800's are a thousand times better). Being a gearhead, I just look at the CM's in disgust sometimes because you do not match carbon fiber with chrome; you either go for the sporty look or classy, not both. That is just how I look at it.
post #9926 of 17845
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Originally Posted by TeRRoRiFiC35 View Post

I prefer the look of the 600 series to the CM's(800's are a thousand times better). Being a gearhead, I just look at the CM's in disgust sometimes because you do not match carbon fiber with chrome; you either go for the sporty look or classy, not both. That is just how I look at it.

There is no carbon fiber? Perhaps you mean kevlar?


I personally love the look of the CM series in my room:
post #9927 of 17845
That is a gorgeous room, friend. I am truly envious, and I appreciate everyones advice. I may never come to a decision.

Well guys, what I really hope to do is get the best I can and hold on to them for much of my life, if they'll last me. I will probably give in and upgrade if I went this route, but it is my gut is telling me to make these purchases as if for life. I need a strong argument to sway me... but I do love to argue. haha

I have one crazy question. Has anyone used a tower as a center channel here? I am obsessed with building a surround setup of the exact same speaker. Would the placement of the center tower make the placement of the television an obnoxious and unrealistic situation? I'm so OCD in certain things, and it sucks...

Speakers in question are the 685, 683, CM5, and CM9...
Subwoofers in question are ASW610 ($350, 18 months no interest, 6 yr driver warranty, 4 year amp) and dozens of ID companies
-I owned 2 ASW608s for about 25 days that paired with my 685s, but i felt they didn't go low enough and that I could even use a little more volume. BUT, I absolutely loved their musicality and punchiness for when it counted (not party music)! That, I do not want to lose.

Has anyone compared the ASW610XP to the ASW610???
post #9928 of 17845
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Originally Posted by jparker36 View Post

I personally love the look of the CM series in my room:

+1,looks very nice to me(the room too)!!
post #9929 of 17845
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Originally Posted by crzycuyler View Post

That is a gorgeous room, friend. I am truly envious, and I appreciate everyones advice. I may never come to a decision.

Well guys, what I really hope to do is get the best I can and hold on to them for much of my life, if they'll last me. I will probably give in and upgrade if I went this route, but it is my gut is telling me to make these purchases as if for life. I need a strong argument to sway me... but I do love to argue. haha

I have one crazy question. Has anyone used a tower as a center channel here? I am obsessed with building a surround setup of the exact same speaker. Would the placement of the center tower make the placement of the television an obnoxious and unrealistic situation? I'm so OCD in certain things, and it sucks...

Speakers in question are the 685, 683, CM5, and CM9...
Subwoofers in question are ASW610 ($350, 18 months no interest, 6 yr driver warranty, 4 year amp) and dozens of ID companies
-I owned 2 ASW608s for about 25 days that paired with my 685s, but i felt they didn't go low enough and that I could even use a little more volume. BUT, I absolutely loved their musicality and punchiness for when it counted (not party music)! That, I do not want to lose.

Has anyone compared the ASW610XP to the ASW610???

Usually a tower as a center would mean placing your tv/screen too high and you don't want it on it's side. As for the sub, you might want to consider Rythmik(just my humble opinion).
post #9930 of 17845
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Originally Posted by jparker36 View Post

There is no carbon fiber? Perhaps you mean kevlar?

Yes i meant kevlar
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