The Master List of DVD, HD-DVD & Blu-ray Movies with BASS Thread...With WaterFalls - Page 23

Originally Posted by MKtheater

Can anyone tell me or link me to where the spiderman 3 on bluray info is. During the sandman scene when he fell into the testing facility, there was some very nice and very powerful bass.

Originally Posted by kweezr

Flight of the Phoenix chapter 6

Originally Posted by kweezr

Flight of the Phoenix, LFE only, compare this to the earlier plot I posted of the same scene

Connected sub out to the soundcard

Originally Posted by tkc

The charts are pictures of the sound spectrum in a movie over a certain time period. The person making the graph "records" the sound during playback of part of the movie. The numbers on the top indicate the frequency of the sound recorded, and the colours represent the level of the sound (in increasing order, blue, green, yellow, orange, red, pink, magenta. maroon, purple). The graphs are presented with the start of the recording period at the bottom of the graph, and the end of the recording at the top.

These are often used to show at what frequency the bass sounds in a soundtrack occur. For example, if a portion of a movie has a pink blob at 20 Hz on the graph, that indicates that there is a very loud 20 Hz component to the sound during that part of the movie, and that a reasonably good subwoofer is required to be able to play that back.

Originally Posted by Jesse S

As per the HTF thread, these are the settings I use in Speclab:

-48kHz or 44.1kHz sample rate
-waterwall scroll interval 120ms
-range -70-0dB
-fft input size 16384
-decimate input by 8
-freq. range 0Hz-120Hz

The coloration should be approximately blue for -70db and pink for 0db.

The color scale doesn't have to be exactly X and Y, if anything it's more important to include your scale in the pictures as a reference. I just wish there was an automated way to include screenshots along with the plot.

Q: Can you simply pop in a DVD and play it in the background with MediaPlayer, then run Spectrum Lab to analyze the sound? Or do you have to do something funky like route the line-out from your sound card to the line-in?

A: Yes, but it plots all channels when you play disc in the background
Since we are only plotting LFE I unplug the rca from the sub and connect it to the line in on the souncard

Q Do you need any plugins for Spectrum Lab to analyze the DD/DTS sound or does it work with the standard install?

A: No, it works with the standard install

Originally Posted by Krazykaj

Hi,

I got very involved with the waterfall charts over at the HT forums (I'm "Kaj" in the waterfall thread, and come in about the middle or the topic with my collection of waterfall charts)

I've been looking quickly through this thread, and thought I just might mention to those doing these new charts, that you need to watch how you work with your 'monitoring' levels, and compare apples with apples, especially if you are using a PC for the media source.

Movies are NOT (unfortunately) all equal in their sound levels. Movie 'A' might have dialogue (a reference level) at -15db, where-as movie 'B' may have dialogue at -5db.

Some movies are mixed much, much louder than other movies. So if you are leaving all your settings (volume levels etc.) the same on your audio inputs when plotting the graphs for these different movies, you aren't keeping things the same for each movie.

That is why one movie will seem to have massive amounts of LFE in its waterfall chart, whereas another one will have (by comparison of graphs) hardly anything. However, in reality, if you 'turn up' the 'soft' movie (record it louder); OR 'turn down' the 'loud' movie (record it softer), you will see the results will make more sense.

A good measure of this is to get 'normal dialogue' in each movie to a certain SAME level, turning up OR down each movie, so that they are as similar as you can get them in real volume'.

If you don't 'standardize' the movies, you must let people know so that they read the waterfall charts INDIVIDUALLY. You cannot, should not compare the graph of one movie to another. Especially if you start to say "whao, this movie has much more bass than that other movie!!!"

It took me a while to realize this, because it always puzzled me, when I sat to watch movie 'A', it sounded really good, bass and all. Then when I watched movie 'B', it also sounded really good also, bass and all.
So I eagerly went to plot their waterfall graphs. . . However, when I plotted the waterfall charts, movie 'A' had plenty of deep red/pink (loud LFE) areas, but movie 'B' on the other hand, had only a splatter of those colours.
When I then went back to my HT, and played the movies again, I noticed on my Yamaha Z9, that for one movie, I was watching it at -18db, and for the other movie I was watching it a -9db.
So I when back, adjusted the volumes on my PC inputs accordingly (using, matching the dialogue as a reference) and re-plotted the graphs . . . voila, much more consistent results.

So yeah, for those making the graphs, it might be some food for thought (maybe not )

For those just looking at the charts, it might be something to keep in mind. Make sure you keep things in proportion.

Anyway, my 2c (disagree with me completely if you like)

Have fun ... I look forward to more charts,

Cheers
KJ

Originally Posted by Krazykaj


Time is a precious commodity for me at the moment, but we'll see . . . I may get into the waterfall charts again, some time soon

I just hope that others may be encouraged to take up the challenge as well.

As a side note, regarding LFE in channels OTHER than the dedicated LFE channel.
There usually is quite alot of low bass present (down to 20Hz easy) in Front channels and even Rear channels. If fact, I've seen on occasion, where there is Low bass present in font channels that is NOT present at all in the LFE channel.
That's why Bass mangment is so important, because if not setup correctly, you will be missing alot of the bass. You are only getting the main 'boom' from the dedicated LFE channel, but missing all the rest that really makes the low end of audio sound so awesome.
Most normal speakers cannot do 90Hz/80Hz and down well. so if you have speakers like that, and all the mass of audio info is not being sent to your sub, you are loosing 50% of the audio.

(Which leads to a thought in regards to this thread ... I'd say, to do proper LFE waterfall charts, people should really be measuring the bass output of ALL channels (not just the sub), but that can get complicated )

Anyways,
Cheers
KJ

Originally Posted by kweezr

Revenge of the Sith, Chap 46

Originally Posted by George Montemayor

I think kweezr is sampling the LFE channel but with bass management. I demuxed the AC3 track from the DVD and converted it into multiple 16-bit WAV files and found the LFE channel alone to be unimpressive. The other channels, on the other hand, looked close to kweezr's results.

Originally Posted by kweezr

A few from Revenge of the Sith, remember these are LFE only plots.

Chap 3, flyby of the battlecruiser, FYI, this is the loudest bass scene through out the entire movie that I've been able to find


Chap 7, when Grevous ship crash lands


Chap 39, Yoda uses the force on Sidious


Chap 40, fight between Yoda and Sidious in the senate hall

Originally Posted by kweezr

Hitchhikers Guide to the Universe, Chap 6



I remember this scene in the theater and it awesome, but my sub couldn't touch it

Originally Posted by kweezr

Opening portal grenade and gunfight

Originally Posted by kweezr

WOTW, LFE Only

Chap 5,Alien Rises From The Ground


Chap 5, Ground Implodes


Chap 5, Tripod stomps ground then car


Chap 6, Heatray

Originally Posted by kweezr

WOTW, Chap 16 1:18:10-50, LFE Only

Originally Posted by kweezr

Man! I don't know what's more fun....watching the movie last night or plotting
these scenes over and over till I get what I want.

Chap 7, 31:40, LFE only




The 1st pink blip is when the mechanic gets vaporized, the next pink is right after the bridge collapses and van is racing down the street.

Originally Posted by kweezr

WOTW, Chap 4 Lightning Strikes



The cluster 6th from the bottom is a killer, just played it a reference levels...
my ultra/2 didn't flinch!

Originally Posted by Ryokale

Well, here is something that I come up with...

WOTW R2 DD-Track, Lightning

Originally Posted by Scott Simonian

WOTW Alien Craft Engine Sweep

Originally Posted by Scott Simonian


WOTW - Hillside War

Originally Posted by kweezr

A few from Titanic: Special Collector's Edition

Let's Stretch Her Legs


Ship Strikes Iceberg


Can't Leave Him Behind


Titanic Breaks Apart

Originally Posted by kweezr

Polar Express, train arrival, LFE only

Originally Posted by kweezr

Fantastic4 DTS LFE only, -5 of system reference

Chap 4 Space Storm


Chap 26 Flame on and barge explosion


Chap 27 Clobberin' Time


Chap 29 Supernova

Originally Posted by Flageborg

Please, try a chart from Revenge of the Sith, start 38:43 - stop 39:20 and
start 41:12 - stop 41:19 ? It is not loud, BUT it's alive................!!!

How low are these frequencies actually?

Thanks.

Originally Posted by kweezr

Not very, but there you go

(0:38:43)


(0:41:12)


For comparison, ATOC fly over and explosion

Originally Posted by kweezr

Dukes of Hazard, Chap 2 shotgun blasts at the general



Pretty sad that a movie like this has more LFE than Revenge of the Sith

Originally Posted by kweezr

Batman Begins

The Dock


The Tumbler Test Drive


The Scarecrow, Lighten Up


The Word is "Panic"


Monorail Crash

Originally Posted by kweezr

Toy Story 2 Original Opening Logo, LFE only



New Version, Dolby Digital



New Version, DTS, LFE only


They look pretty much the same, but there's difference in the way each sounds.
The original seems to be louder, when the the 2 hits the logo it has more rumble
then the newer. What make the new version stand out is the more refined feel of
the LFE and the use of the surrounds(which the original is lacking), you can feel
the 2 zoom by just before it hits.

Originally Posted by kweezr

Universal Logo and Ship Flyby, LFE only


Chap 3

Originally Posted by kweezr

Lion King Logo



Chap 5 Elephant Stomps



Chap 6 Elephant Grave Yard



Chap 9 Stampede



Chap 19 Ghost of Mustafa

Originally Posted by Raduque

Your wish is my command, Scott!

Chap 6 Dorm Room Attack



Chap 8 Hospital Attack



Chap 8 Emily Sees Demons



Chap 9 Erin Wakes Up



Chap 19 The Exorcism of Emily Rose - my sub was NOT HAPPY during this scene!


The first sub-10hz, at the white line, is right after father Moore's line "Restrain her."
The second bit, is when the demon actually wakes up.


Chap 21 Dr Cartwrights End



Chap 23 Emily Has an Out of Body Experience



Chap 24 "I choose to stay." - Last hit of the movie



There was also some near constant thunder most scenes, but it wasn't worth mentioning.

So, how'd I do my first time?

Originally Posted by kweezr

I got your 60hz hum right here.....


Dances with Wolves 1509kpbs DTS

Chap 2 Suicide Ride, when he releleases the reigns and sits upright, arms spread wide




Chap 13 Buffalo Hunt



Going through some of my older movies

Originally Posted by kweezr

DTS Digital Experience Trailer




DTS Sparks Trailer

Originally Posted by kweezr

Dante's Peak 1509kbps DTS


Chap 22 1st Eruption




Chap 22 Bridge Collapse




Chap 22 Panic and Town Destruction