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post #31 of 166
Even the 60GB version PS3's are going for less than $900 on Ebay now. I pity the fools who were paying $2500.00!
post #32 of 166
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Originally Posted by sspears View Post

Another note. I thought I would be clever and try and force the PS3 to stay in 1080p when the source was 1080i. I removed 720p and 1080i as output options. You can't remove 480p. When it hit the 1080i content, it set the output to 480p.

Another test was to set 1080i and 720p. When I played a disc, it set the output to 720p instead of 1080i. very odd. It rankes order of resolution as: 480p, 1080i, 720p and 1080p.

How many 1080i Blu-ray discs are out there? I looked at 10 random BR titles and they were all 1080p. Do you find the 1080i content only on games?
post #33 of 166
Legends of Jazz, and I would imagine other such concert videos, are in 1080i.
post #34 of 166
I have a stupid question

It seams some people are having better luck with the PS3 if they use the Sony branded
High Bandwidth HDMI version 1.3 cable vs. a reg HDMI cable.
Would this have made any difference in the objective testing?
post #35 of 166
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Would this have made any difference in the objective testing?

No. You get a clean signal, one with dropouts or no signal at all based on the cable.
post #36 of 166
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Originally Posted by sspears View Post

No. You get a clean signal, one with dropouts or no signal at all based on the cable.

Yup. The funny thing is that I used the HDMI cable that came with my HD DVD player, and I received a couple of audio/video dropouts during Blu-Ray playback. I haven't had the problem ever since I used a Belkin PureAV cable. At least I hope it was the cable that caused this. One concern is that the dropouts didn't occur with the cable when I was sending 720p/7.1 LPCM streams through it for games.

As for the PS3 as a Blu-Ray player, I laugh at all those posters who were so adamant in their view that the PS3 will be a poor quality player.
post #37 of 166
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Originally Posted by gundyrat1 View Post

I have a stupid question

It seams some people are having better luck with the PS3 if they use the Sony branded
High Bandwidth HDMI version 1.3 cable vs. a reg HDMI cable.
Would this have made any difference in the objective testing?

monoprice cable with no issues
post #38 of 166
sspears, kris: will you consider putting these results into a "HiDef player Benchmarks" and put them in secrets ? (or as a start for a more complete "benchmarks")
post #39 of 166
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Originally Posted by Jules343 View Post

monoprice cable with no issues

Same here. Monoprice gets you your money's worth for sure.
post #40 of 166
If the source material is from the movie industry, then the disc will likely be 1080p. If the source is from tv, it will likely be 1080i or 720p.
post #41 of 166
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Originally Posted by sspears View Post

Another test was to set 1080i and 720p. When I played a disc, it set the output to 720p instead of 1080i. very odd. It rankes order of resolution as: 480p, 1080i, 720p and 1080p.

Can you elaborate on this please? Was the content of this test 1080i or 1080p (Blu-Ray movie). I've got a JVC 1080p HDTV but it's last years model that doesn't have a 1080p input. Since my HDTV can not accept a 1080p signal, does this mean the PS3 is going to output 720p instead of 1080i?
post #42 of 166
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Originally Posted by gundyrat1 View Post

I have a stupid question

It seams some people are having better luck with the PS3 if they use the Sony branded
High Bandwidth HDMI version 1.3 cable vs. a reg HDMI cable.
Would this have made any difference in the objective testing?

With the digital cables, it either works or doesn't work, unlike analog which drops off with distance. For short runs (12' or less), almost any cable will work, so get cheap ones.
post #43 of 166
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Originally Posted by ninjanki View Post

Finaly, someone doing well defined tests and reporting results in a readable format. I guess now we can figure how teh PS3 deals with video scaling for several different situations and, if necessary, create a list of requests for improvement to Sony. It's a programable unit, so some scaling and de-interlacing might be added by software...(I want to see it doing 1080i deinterlacing to 1080p, as an example, as well as downscaling/upscaling everything to one set output resolution - 720p for my current projector - 1080i for CRTs, etc...)

Allan

Only reason for a requirement to deinterlace from 1080i to 1080p would be if you have a 1080p set. If so, it deinterlaces 1080i. Only reason that isn't adequate is if it is one of the sets that doesn't deinterlace properly (e.g., last year's 1080p Mitsubishi's). If your set deinterlaces properly, you don't need the capability in the PS3.
post #44 of 166
My display doesn't take 1080p. It accepts 1080i, 720p, and other usual stuff. Can I still get BR moives in high-def from the PS3 or should I wait until this issue is fixed?
post #45 of 166
My .02..

Got my PS3 Saturday.... When playing BR's, it was as loud as a Toshiba A1 in my rack... not terrible, but noticable..... It is really cool how fast it is.. definitely way faster than the Panny.

On two side notes, after one day, I already had to reformat the machine once, as it would lock up when trying to change some music playback settings and force a reset.... the reformat fixed that, but I got a cannot play media error when I inserted an SACD to try it out... cancelled out, went ot music menu, and all three layers of the SACD show up a seperate discs.. COOL Also, and completely off topic, I put in the SACD of Roxy Music "Avalon".. I usually hate visualizers, but if you put music on, start play and push square once.. it was like a real time version of the planet flyover at the end of "2001"... It is a must see!!!!

All in all, a pretty kludgy gaming machine compared to the 360, as doesn't have the instant fun factor of the Wii, but a "neat" BR player and a great bargain....

Sorry for the OT comments...
post #46 of 166
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Originally Posted by Notti View Post

My display doesn't take 1080p. It accepts 1080i, 720p, and other usual stuff. Can I still get BR moives in high-def from the PS3 or should I wait until this issue is fixed?

You can get BR movies 1080i over HDMI.
post #47 of 166
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Originally Posted by Notti View Post

My display doesn't take 1080p. It accepts 1080i, 720p, and other usual stuff. Can I still get BR moives in high-def from the PS3 or should I wait until this issue is fixed?

Yes, you can watch BR movies in HD.
post #48 of 166
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Originally Posted by sspears View Post

Dynamic Range – HDMI to HDMI
PS3
Above White – Fail – Clips
Below Black – Fail – Clips

Thanks much for the input, sspears, much appreciated.

How noticeable is the above during normal movie playback?
post #49 of 166
I'll be interested to see how the Pioneer compares....

I'll pick up a 60 GB PS3 when I can get one for $600.00 ...

In the meantime, I'll be eyeing up the Pioneer. I ruled out the Panny and other players out so far...

What form of 1080p24 is output via the Pioneer? I also heard the Pioneer can output 480i over HDMI.... These features would be very appealing as I could output the Pioneer player to the upcoming, soon to be released Lumagen Radiance. If the Pioneer tests well and has these features, I'll pick one up, otherwise I'll live with the PS3 until second generation players arrive late in 2007...

I assume the difference in sending 1080p24 from the Pioneer to the Lumagen to convert to 1080p48 (for the Ruby) would be no judder. Any other advantages of using 1080p24 instead of the 1080i60 output from a player?
post #50 of 166
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Originally Posted by Robert George View Post

Pretty simple, really. I wanted a better player but was not willing to spend the extra money for the Panasonic or Pioneer. When my choices were among the dedicated players, at $799, I considered the Samsung the best value for my circumstances (having to buy two formats). Make no mistake, I am still satisfied with the performance of the Samsung. However, early reports of the PS3 being a bit better on BD performance got me to looking into that.

The 20 GB PS3 had dropped to below $900 on Ebay. A few were selling between $800 and $850 by last Friday. I decided that if I could get one for no more than $750, I'd pocket a bit over $100 by returning the Samsung and still wind up with a better BD player. I was time constrained, though. I only have until the 4th of December to return the Samsung, so I had to make a decision. I decided to go for the PS3 and was able to get one for my budgeted price.

Hell, who knows, I might even want to play a game someday.

I may go for a PS3 myself when they become more widely available(and can be had for the actual MSRP).
post #51 of 166
Just out of curiousity... Do you think any of these companies evaluate for BTB and WTW as well as other quality factors? You would think they would, but then again, if they did evaluate these quality issues, you would think they would fix them... How many issues are dependent on the chip, such as the Sigma designs chip... Maybe the manufacturer is stuck due to limitations and shortcomings of the chip...
post #52 of 166
SSpears, thank you for your objective testing. This is the sort of thing this forum was created for.

I'd like to add a subjective note, for anyone considering the jump:

I am a proud owner of the 60GB Playstation 3. It is connected to my Yamaha RX-V2600 via HDMI, which is connected to my Mitsubishi WD-62628 DLP...

This is one awesome combination. I have used both the Samsung and the Panasonic players, and find the PS3 superior to the Samsung, and at least equal to the Panasonic. IMO, the PS3 even tops the Panny because of its fast load times, and because I'm a gamer ; )

While I'm sure y'all have all read horror stories about overheating and fan noise, I'll agree that it's completely subjective. I'm in the "this thing is really quiet" camp, but I do own an Xbox 360. In comparison, the PS3 is much quieter. My Playstation has been nothing but a joy. I am quite pleased, and feel fortunate to own one.

The setup is simple, the playback is amazing. I have thrown SACDs, DVDs, games, and several Blu-ray films - all are well played. The Playstation 3 is worth its weight in gold. A wonderful buy, if you're able to find one ; )
post #53 of 166
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While I'm sure y'all have all read horror stories about overheating and fan noise, I'll agree that it's completely subjective. I'm in the "this thing is really quiet" camp, but I do own an Xbox 360. In comparison, the PS3 is much quieter. My Playstation has been nothing but a joy. I am quite pleased, and feel fortunate to own one...

I noticed today that it was silent on start up and about 30 minutes after listening to an SACD with the visualizer going, the fans were blowing full blast, at least as loud and warm as my 360... and the PS3 is sitting in the open on top of my rack in an open room... It also said the disc was unreadable on the second attempt at playback... As I said, mine has been a little buggy...

But I am sure if I have major problems, Sony will take care of it.. and it is, as you said, worth it's weight in gold, and a steal if you are a gamer and HT enthusiast... It will be interesting to see if they get the advanced codecs all worked out, and it's SACD performance isn't too bad either.

As a note to future purchasers... if you don't need the card reader, but are interested in the 60gig because of the WiFi, note that most games REQUIRE you use Ethernet for gaming anyways, so the WiFi becomes useless... it makes the 20gig that much more attractive.. also, let's hope they can get us connected to our PC's for streaming music and pictures.. that would be killer!
post #54 of 166
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Originally Posted by sspears View Post

Another test was to set 1080i and 720p. When I played a disc, it set the output to 720p instead of 1080i. very odd. It rankes order of resolution as: 480p, 1080i, 720p and 1080p.

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Originally Posted by efranzen View Post

Can you elaborate on this please? Was the content of this test 1080i or 1080p (Blu-Ray movie). I've got a JVC 1080p HDTV but it's last years model that doesn't have a 1080p input. Since my HDTV can not accept a 1080p signal, does this mean the PS3 is going to output 720p instead of 1080i?

I guess I can answer my own question now since my PS3 arrived a day early. Some people may find the following information useful. This pertains to BD playback only. I do not yet have any games for the PS3.

My HDTV is a 61" JVC 61FH96 1080p LCoS. This is last years model that is a 1080p HDTV but as with many other 1080p HDTV's last year (including the Sony SXRD RPTV) does not actually accept a 1080p input.

When initially setting up the PS3, it reports that my maximum resolution is 720p. This coincides with what Stacey says above. The PS3 tries to fix resolutions in the following order: 1080p, 720p, 1080i, 480p. So due to the fact that my HDTV can not take a 1080p input, it goes to the next resolution of 720p.

Here's where things get bad. If you do not notice this, when you play a BD disc, it will actually output it as 480p. My TV does not tell me what the resolution is that I'm viewing, but I can determine whether I'm getting a 480i/p signal or a 720p/1080i signal due to my aspect ratio choices. I get different choices depending on whether it's a HD signal or not.

Now, if I go into the options and tell the PS3 that my maximum resolution is 1080i, then the BD's play back fine. If I set it to 1080p my TV just blanks out (can't accept the signal).

Another thing that is frustrating is you can set each resolution your TV is capable of, but again it goes in the odd order listed above. You can not change the order or signals.

So basically if you have a 720p display and want to watch BD's in HD, you're going to have to tell the PS3 that your resolution is 1080i, not 720p. Otherwise it will be displayed at 480p.

If you have a 1080i display you're also going to have to tell the PS3 you have a 1080i display, otherwise it will send a 720p signal (assuming you can receive a 720p signal).

I'm assuming at this point as well that when I get a 720p game, I'm going to have to tell the PS3 I only have a 720p display, otherwise it's going to display it as 480p.
post #55 of 166
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Originally Posted by FilmMixer View Post

I noticed today that it was silent on start up and about 30 minutes after listening to an SACD with the visualizer going, the fans were blowing full blast, at least as loud and warm as my 360... and the PS3 is sitting in the open on top of my rack in an open room... It also said the disc was unreadable on the second attempt at playback... As I said, mine has been a little buggy...

But I am sure if I have major problems, Sony will take care of it.. and it is, as you said, worth it's weight in gold, and a steal if you are a gamer and HT enthusiast... It will be interesting to see if they get the advanced codecs all worked out, and it's SACD performance isn't too bad either.

As a note to future purchasers... if you don't need the card reader, but are interested in the 60gig because of the WiFi, note that most games REQUIRE you use Ethernet for gaming anyways, so the WiFi becomes useless... it makes the 20gig that much more attractive.. also, let's hope they can get us connected to our PC's for streaming music and pictures.. that would be killer!

Can play RFOM, COD3, and Marvel via wireless. What titles are you talking about?
post #56 of 166
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Originally Posted by Health Nut View Post

Just out of curiousity... Do you think any of these companies evaluate for BTB and WTW as well as other quality factors? You would think they would, but then again, if they did evaluate these quality issues, you would think they would fix them... How many issues are dependent on the chip, such as the Sigma designs chip... Maybe the manufacturer is stuck due to limitations and shortcomings of the chip...


Very good questions...
We have several guys hangin' around AVS that know the answers to some of what you ask.
post #57 of 166
I'd also like to add to my post above that if I select multiple resolutions for the PS3 (720p and 1080i) it will correctly go to 1080i during BD playback. But, in the PS3 menu's it goes to what it thinks is a better resolution, which is 720p. If I want to view 1080 on the menus too then I have to remove 720p entirely as a display option.
post #58 of 166
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Originally Posted by efranzen View Post

I'd also like to add to my post above that if I select multiple resolutions for the PS3 (720p and 1080i) it will correctly go to 1080i during BD playback. But, in the PS3 menu's it goes to what it thinks is a better resolution, which is 720p. If I want to view 1080 on the menus too then I have to remove 720p entirely as a display option.

I can confirm this. These "symptoms" are exactly the same on my setup. BD movies kick to 1080i, but the menus and games go to 720p.
post #59 of 166
off to the side a little bit...
very illuminating thread ......so i'm not eager to use a game controller for blu-ray and know that remotes are coming out... comments
i've read some of the interface issues arent too well thought out, for instance how relatively complicated it is to play different types of audio files.
would be cool to have a soa game system for nada on top of the blu-ray (and hold off my son from bugging me for the wii)
how difficult it is for the megaco's to avoid heavy channel conflict as they build new very expensive product areas
post #60 of 166
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Originally Posted by originalprime View Post

I can confirm this. These "symptoms" are exactly the same on my setup. BD movies kick to 1080i, but the menus and games go to 720p.

Can't you tell it what resolution you want via the setup menu? I.e. if you want 1080i for the menu select 1080i. I remember setting it to 720P for my brother's LCD.
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