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post #61 of 96
Quote:
Originally Posted by anidea
Well....

ZoomPlayer plays my subtitles quite well with my revised formula (rtvcc-->edit in VRD-->mpg2srt).

I couldn't get any other player to play subtitles, though. (tried: VLC, WMP, mplayer)
So no timing problems when played back with Zoom even when you jump forward 30 minutes or so? You don't use RTVtools anymore? Zoom is nice isn't it.
post #62 of 96
Quote:
Originally Posted by anidea
Zoomplayer seems pretty cool...anyone know if there is an RTV version (with commercial skip, FF, 7-sec back)? I'd be happy to trade VLC in for Zoom if there were.
I don't think there is a RTV version. If the commercials are edited out with VRD then no need for commercial skip. I would like a quickskip and jump function though. I haven't found that in Zoom. If you or anyone else finds it let me know.
post #63 of 96
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dvasco
So no timing problems when played back with Zoom even when you jump forward 30 minutes or so? You don't use RTVtools anymore? Zoom is nice isn't it.
No timing problems.

What I notice in all players is that if I jump forward any amount of time, it takes a few seconds for the audio (and the captions, in the case of zoom) to catch up. After it catches up, it's fine from there on.

I really like RTVTools, I think it's easier to edit commercials than with VRD, but if I'm just trying to add captions, it's an extra step that I don't really need. The process is long enough already.

If anyone has time to hand-hold me through the process of setting DVArchive to run rtvcc automatically (and replace the original mpg, 'cause I don't have unlimited space), I'd really appreciate it. It would be one step I wouldn't have to worry about. Unfortunately, I think I still need to do VRD (manual editing) and mpg2srt (must be done at end!) manually.
post #64 of 96
Quote:
Originally Posted by anidea
No timing problems.

What I notice in all players is that if I jump forward any amount of time, it takes a few seconds for the audio (and the captions, in the case of zoom) to catch up. After it catches up, it's fine from there on.

I really like RTVTools, I think it's easier to edit commercials than with VRD, but if I'm just trying to add captions, it's an extra step that I don't really need. The process is long enough already.

If anyone has time to hand-hold me through the process of setting DVArchive to run rtvcc automatically (and replace the original mpg, 'cause I don't have unlimited space), I'd really appreciate it. It would be one step I wouldn't have to worry about. Unfortunately, I think I still need to do VRD (manual editing) and mpg2srt (must be done at end!) manually.
To point to Post Download Processing in DVArchive go to DVArchive Properties --> Downloads Tab --> Post Download Processing --> point to winrtvcc.exe.
To have the original file deleted you need to make a batch file. A few people have made RTVtools batch files at http://archive2.avsforum.com/avs-vb/...ighlight=batch and we can learn to make one that includes rtvcc and mp2srt besides rtvtools. Once we make a batch file we can point DVArchive post processing to the batch file.
post #65 of 96
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dvasco
and we can learn to make one that includes rtvcc and mp2srt besides rtvtools. Once we make a batch file we can point DVArchive post processing to the batch file.
VERY cool. THANKS!!! :D

The batch file lesson will have to wait until I get back. Although I'm not so sure I want to run mpg2srt before editing, I would probably end up with timing problems that way, although I will have to test this to make sure it is true.
post #66 of 96
I found 3 batch files:
http://archive2.avsforum.com/avs-vb/...&&#post2858592
http://archive2.avsforum.com/avs-vb/...&&#post3374017
http://archive2.avsforum.com/avs-vb/...&&#post5200501

When I have time I will try and use these to figure something out and ask for help from them and maybe others in other forums.
post #67 of 96
Quote:
Originally Posted by anidea
VERY cool. THANKS!!! :D

The batch file lesson will have to wait until I get back. Although I'm not so sure I want to run mpg2srt before editing, I would probably end up with timing problems that way, although I will have to test this to make sure it is true.
Yeah, I am confusing myself. I wonder if QS can be run with a command prompt then have it in the batch file after RTVtools and rtvcc, or comskip, to clean up the commercials for us then run mpg2srt last. I am not sure at what point rtvcc has to be done although mpg2srt will have to be done last.
post #68 of 96
Looking at your revised formula (rtvcc-->edit in VRD-->mpg2srt) the editing can be done after rtvcc. When did you use rtvcc in the post you first had success?
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Originally Posted by anidea
Today I had success!

My steps:

1. Download with DVArchive.
2. Edit and convert with RTVEdit.
3. Correct with VideoReDo Plus. (Tools-->Quick Stream Fix)
4. Extract subtitles with mpg2srt.
5. Convert for Archos with PocketDivxEnc 3.6 (aka Lathe) (which uses Vdub)

It worked! It really worked! (Batman Begins)

I am leaving room for other things to not work properly, but this is the mpg that wasn't working at all earlier.
post #69 of 96
I just finished encoding a 30 minute show with Dr. Divx at HighDef balanced quality and the subs are only off by a second or two, the quality is decent, fillesize is 37%, encode time was 2 hours on Athlon 1700+. If I had edited out the commercials I think the subs would have been off by even less.
The steps were:
1. dropfileshere.bat (no editing)
2. QS fix
3. rtvcc
4. mpg2srt
5. Dr. Divx
post #70 of 96
Thread Starter 
Ugggh, why can't I log into the archive? And when I try to it logs me out of here? What a pain! I can't get the batch file downloads :-/

Will work on this when I get back.
post #71 of 96
Quote:
Originally Posted by anidea
Well....

ZoomPlayer plays my subtitles quite well with my revised formula (rtvcc-->edit in VRD-->mpg2srt).

I couldn't get any other player to play subtitles, though. (tried: VLC, WMP, mplayer)

Zoomplayer seems pretty cool...anyone know if there is an RTV version (with commercial skip, FF, 7-sec back)? I'd be happy to trade VLC in for Zoom if there were.
I found 5 sec and 20 sec skip and jump buttons are the arrow keys when enabled in Advanced options --> Settings --> Key Toggles --> Arrow Keys.

I am trying to see if the time can be adjusted.
post #72 of 96
Quote:
Originally Posted by dvasco
I found 5 sec and 20 sec skip and jump buttons are the arrow keys when enabled in Advanced options --> Settings --> Key Toggles --> Arrow Keys.

I am trying to see if the time can be adjusted.
Check under Values and Tools in the player options, and click on the playback tab.
post #73 of 96
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Originally Posted by chain777
Check under Values and Tools in the player options, and click on the playback tab.
Thanks. While looking for frame advance I just found other keys for skipping, jumping, seeking a specific time. I also set Zoom to frame advance on pause when already paused. I don't remember where I set that though. Pause key is A.

| | , | Skip back a specified number of seconds |
| | . | Skip ahead a specified number of seconds |
| Alt | , | Jump back a specified number of seconds |
| Alt | . | Jump ahead a specified number of seconds |
| Ctrl | , | Seek back a specified number of seconds |
| Ctrl | . | Seek ahead a specified number of seconds |
| Shift | , | Previous Frame |
| Shift | . | Next Frame |
post #74 of 96
RTVtools is taking me too long to learn how to edit with it. I will hold off on that for a while. I am going to try comskip and comclean next as a test to see if CC info is lost after and edit. before and after RTVCC.
post #75 of 96
Comskip can be edited to output a Scene Cut Editor file Zoomplayer can read the therefore skip over commercials. Hopefully this provides us with VLC functionality.
post #76 of 96
Scene Cut Editor file worked even though it might not really be needed if comclean works.
post #77 of 96
I got stuck on comclean. I need a rest. I then need to see if CC is still embedded by using rtvcc then mpg2srt. If not I will try rtvcc --> comskip --> comclean3 --> mpg2srt. If it is still missing I will try both ways with comclean4. Then check timing of subs of all successful attempts.
post #78 of 96
Comclean was in the wrong directory. I corrected that and am runnning it now.
post #79 of 96
I found a post with command lines for VideoRedo commercial detection and commercial editing.
http://www.videoredo.net/msgBoard/sh...t=command+line
post #80 of 96
I get an error evertime I try to open a comclean3 file. Mpeg2Schnitt doesn't seem to have a command line option.
post #81 of 96
I think it is best just to leave it as rtvcc & comskip in batch file for a VPrj file for visual editing in VRD just in case there are errors then run mpg2srt. This is because comskip and VRD Ad-detective aren't 100%.
post #82 of 96
I've mentioned in previous threads that ShowAnalyzer ($10) is available for commercial removal; it can also extract closed-caption information in various formats. You can also download a ComSkip proxy that will call ShowAnalyzer instead. You should run any required ReplayTV file conversion, then rtvcc to put the closed-captions in the standard location (ignore ShowAnalyzer's mention of Hauppauge cards), then VideoReDo Plus Quickstream fix to clean up the MPEG-2 file, then ShowAnalyzer (I recommend using its VideoReDo Plus compatible cut points and VideoReDo Plus to do the cutting). Since I don't use any of this stuff, I don't know if ShowAnalyzer can extract the captions with correct compensation for the commercial cuts the first time through, or whether this needs to be done as a second call after the MPEG-2 file has been cut. VideoReDo Plus essentially performs a Quickstream fix when you use it for editing, but when you're using other MPEG-2 software that's sensitive to MPEG-2 errors, a Quickstream fix should be done before using that software.
post #83 of 96
Thanks Space,
I knew about ShowAnalyzer from GBPVR but had forgotten all about it. Is the commercial detection 100%? I really doubt it since ReplayTV, comskip, and VideoRedo are not 100%. Therefore a visual confirmation of edit points still needs to be made. Meaning I think it is still best just to leave it as rtvcc & comskip in batch file for a VPrj file for visual editing in VRD just in case there are errors then run mpg2srt. It is basically what Anidea concluded but with a batch file to automate the VPrj file. I just need to learn to make the batch file.

I would assume CC to sub extraction will always have to be done last if editing is done and subs are desired.

I am still open for comments and suggestions on making it all more automated. I still haven't edited commercials out of files to see if the timing of the subs is off by much less. I do know that if I archive to to AVI the timing of the subs isn't as bad. I can play Divx back to the TV with GBPVR. However, I don't want to have to convert all the shows to Divx.
post #84 of 96
Well, just to give an update on my situation. After trying Medium files and going to VideoRedo QS Fix, then rtvcc and mpg2srt, still can't get the captioning to work on my Insignia DVD player.

However, that process works to view the subtitles on WMP 11.
post #85 of 96
Quote:
Originally Posted by joesc1
Well, just to give an update on my situation. After trying Medium files and going to VideoRedo QS Fix, then rtvcc and mpg2srt, still can't get the captioning to work on my Insignia DVD player.

However, that process works to view the subtitles on WMP 11.
No timing problems?
post #86 of 96
Quote:
Originally Posted by joesc1
Well, just to give an update on my situation. After trying Medium files and going to VideoRedo QS Fix, then rtvcc and mpg2srt, still can't get the captioning to work on my Insignia DVD player.

However, that process works to view the subtitles on WMP 11.
That process should be able to be automated 100% with a batch file. I still want to try and learn to make batch files. One for that and one for Anidea's process.

Have you tried getting the subs placed onto the DVD by using any of the guides at www.videohelp.com?
http://forum.videohelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=197950
http://forum.videohelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=219535
http://forum.videohelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=245188
http://forum.videohelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=267454
http://forum.videohelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=275603
post #87 of 96
Looks like Rejig needs to be used instead of IFOedit in any of the guides:
"Alternatively, in case you have NTSC movies instead of PAL, use ReJig instead of VobEdit and IfoEdit, as there have been many problems reported with IfoEdit+NTSC."
http://forum.videohelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=245188
post #88 of 96
Thanks, I'll try SubtitleCreator to convert the .srt files to .sup, maybe that will help.

The trouble is I don't want to author a DVD disc, since it takes forever and my DVD player supports playing back the raw replay mpeg. I'll let you know how it goes.
post #89 of 96
I think there is a srt2sup program in www.videohelp.com tools section unders subs
post #90 of 96
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