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post #421 of 2891
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Originally Posted by Likvid View Post

Anyone noticed the picture is shifted a small bit to the left?

Do you find yourself laughing a lot at simple things and having an overwhelming desire for cookies, as well?
post #422 of 2891
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Originally Posted by TytaniumK View Post

Do you find yourself laughing a lot at simple things and having an overwhelming desire for cookies, as well?

What??
post #423 of 2891
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Originally Posted by Likvid View Post

What??

Are you on D-R-U-G-S?
post #424 of 2891
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Originally Posted by visualguy View Post

Yes, I'm planning to try the XA2 for HD DVD, but I don't know what to go with for Blu-ray. The thing that bugs me the most about the Sony BDP-S1 is the lag time between the time you press a button, and the time something actually happens. It reminds me of trying to play a shooter at 2 frames per second...

Does anyone know of a Blu-ray player with significantly less lag time than the Sony?

id like to try a bd player also,but right now its out of my price range,well see what happens at the ces show this week someone may working on a cheaper bd player
post #425 of 2891
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Originally Posted by dllewel View Post

LisaM, it sounds like you have your setup configured correctly. Apparently Fantastic 4 doesn't have 1080p/24 as its source, it must be 1080p/60 only.

Not all Blu-rays are 1080p/24, although I'm sure they shoot for that. I have a Toto Amsterdam concert that is only presented at 1080i/60.

Thanks very much for clearing this up. I thought that all BD discs were 1080p/24 but I guess this is not the case.
post #426 of 2891
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Originally Posted by Likvid View Post

What??

He means that players don't control where your image is positioned...your display does that.
post #427 of 2891
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Originally Posted by Likvid View Post

Anyone noticed the picture is shifted a small bit to the left?

Its not the player, its the TV. What make/model fo TV do you have? On my Sony SXRD it was necessary to go into the service menu and adjust the horizontal and vertical settings to get the picture more exactly centered using a test pattern.
post #428 of 2891
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Originally Posted by fa8362 View Post

He means that players don't control where your image is positioned...your display does that.

Yes i know all about that.

The Sony is the only source i have problem with thru my DVDO VP50 processor as the VP50 can't pan the incoming source if i don't zoom the image.
post #429 of 2891
After I spent 3 weeks with this player it went back to circuit city today.
I found the image to be sometimes slightly better than standard dvd on my Pioneer 1540.
i just couldn't justify $900 for a machine that didn't give me a major picture improvment, loaded very slowly, responded to the remote slowly and would stop playing sometimes in the middle of a disk. Not to mention the $10 premium each disk cost.
I will revisit it in a year when the format is really ready for prime time.
post #430 of 2891
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Originally Posted by Bruceko View Post

After I spent 3 weeks with this player it went back to circuit city today.
I found the image to be sometimes slightly better than standard dvd on my Pioneer 1540.
i just couldn't justify $900 for a machine that didn't give me a major picture improvment, loaded very slowly, responded to the remote slowly and would stop playing sometimes in the middle of a disk. Not to mention the $10 premium each disk cost.
I will revisit it in a year when the format is really ready for prime time.

Altho' I basically agree with you, the upconversion of Standard DVDs sorta endears the unit to me, so I will bite the $800 it cost me. Fortunately, mine does not have the 'freeze' probs some espouse, so I don't regret the purchase, even tho' 1080i I get is not quite the clarity of the 1080p demo'd at BB. Se la vie.
Ty-K
post #431 of 2891
Bruceko,

Something sounds out of sync. I am not trying to say you don't know what you are doing, but you should have seen a noticeable improvement immediately over standard DVD. There is something definitely wrong with your setup or your connections.

What movies did you watch? How did you have the Sony connected to your TV? Did you setup the Blu Ray player properly?
post #432 of 2891
The problem seems to be with my VP50 processor that crops 3 pixel rows at the left side.
post #433 of 2891
Has anyone heard about the firmware upgrade? I bought my player 12/02/06 and emailed Sony. They responded that the upgrade should be in "about 3 weeks", but I haven't heard anything about it since.

This upgrade is supposed to fix some of the Java problems that are being experienced, such as not playing Descent and the BD resume play feature.

Anybody know?
post #434 of 2891
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Originally Posted by mikeewing View Post

Has anyone heard about the firmware upgrade? I bought my player 12/02/06 and emailed Sony. They responded that the upgrade should be in "about 3 weeks", but I haven't heard anything about it since.

This upgrade is supposed to fix some of the Java problems that are being experienced, such as not playing Descent and the BD resume play feature.

Anybody know?

What is the problem with BD Resume Play? First I've heard of this! No probs with my unit--yet!!
post #435 of 2891
No i sent my registration over the internet and have heard nothing yet I got my sony the week before christmas.
post #436 of 2891
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Originally Posted by TytaniumK View Post

What is the problem with BD Resume Play? First I've heard of this! No probs with my unit--yet!!

It doesn't work if you open the tray or power off then back on again.
post #437 of 2891
No problems with resume here either, but I wouldn't expect it to work if you pop out the BD or power off. I don't think my current DVD player does that....

I would like the upgrade to fix the HDMI-DVI bug that causes the player to default back to RGB (16-255) instead of YCbCr every time it is rebooted, along with the expected BD-J fixes. And of course, any advanced audio coded decoding would be appreciated as well -- surely the chipset has the horsepower for DTHD and dtsMA ?

Speaking of audio, anyone else noticed the bass issue that Dan Ramer pointed out over at dvdfile.com ? I did a quick "hand on the subwoofer" test last night of Pearl Harbor LPCM & DD (via 5.1 analog out) vs. DD via coax-out to a Denon 3805 and sure enough, the bass is way, Way, WAY lower via the analog outs. We're talking 15+dB lower.

Anyone else tried the 5.1 outs?

-John
post #438 of 2891
Hi,

My qestions is...Does anyone have the same TV...KDL40XBR3 I got and what settings should I go with on the Sony BDP-S1 I'm not sure what all this means in what I've read. So hopefully some will have the same TV and help me out with the settings? I have it setup now with hdmi...first time setup....1080px24. From what I've read, I need to do 1080px24 in setup, then video button on remote to auto...is this correct.

Thanks again,
Jerry
post #439 of 2891
John,

I'm running the 5.1 outs, and have also compared to Optical out. For me it seems fine, but I am not using any bass management in the player (all speakers set to large). Overall the levels were a few dB lower over analog compared to Optical, but this was for all channels.

If you are using bass management in the player, then the output may be reduced 5 or 10dB (depending on the player, and I haven't tested this on the BDP-S1) so the summation of redirected bass + the LFE channel doesn't overdrive the receivers input. If this is the case, then you would need to compensate for it in your receivers level adjustment. Some have adjustments specific to listening mode or input device, so you don't throw off the overall balance for other sources.

Different receivers may behave differently as well. They are supposed to boost the LFE track by 10 dB for DD and DTS, but since this is analog- your receiver may not be. Same issue reported in the past for DVD-Audio and SACD connected via analog.
post #440 of 2891
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Originally Posted by TytaniumK View Post

Altho' I basically agree with you, the upconversion of Standard DVDs sorta endears the unit to me, so I will bite the $800 it cost me. Fortunately, mine does not have the 'freeze' probs some espouse, so I don't regret the purchase....
Ty-K

I agree with you on all these points. SD DVDs are MUCH improved when output to 1080p. You should see the picture I get when watching the HBO series ROME. Wow.

The Sony does such a good job of upconverting SD DVDs that I am hard-pressed to tell the difference between those and Blu-Ray disks. The latter has a bit more detail, but I don't see it as being dramatic.
post #441 of 2891
Hi,
I need some quick help if someone can? What is the source supposed to be with a regular DVD in. I hit the video input button on the remote and it says...Output Video Format...1080p...source 480/60i. Is this correct? I've tried 4 or 5 different dvd's and they say this. My BD source 1080/24p. Any help would be appreciated.

Jerry
post #442 of 2891
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Originally Posted by WaldorfSalad View Post

It doesn't work if you open the tray or power off then back on again.

Opening the tray--I agree--it does not resume. However, powering the unit off, then back on w/disc still inside, mine does resume from the point where it was stopped. This works same-same as my non blu-ray Samsung DVD player.
post #443 of 2891
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Originally Posted by Lyons07 View Post

Hi,
I need some quick help if someone can? What is the source supposed to be with a regular DVD in. I hit the video input button on the remote and it says...Output Video Format...1080p...source 480/60i. Is this correct? I've tried 4 or 5 different dvd's and they say this. My BD source 1080/24p. Any help would be appreciated.

Jerry

That is correct for DVDs which has less resolution then the newer formats. Acoording to your post it looks like you have it set to output 1080p, so the Sony is upconverting to that.

Source is showing what is recorded on the disc while output video format is what the player is outputting to the display.
post #444 of 2891
Thank you! As long as the output video is at 1080p, I don't need to worry about what the source says is that correct?

Thanks again,
Jerry
post #445 of 2891
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Originally Posted by Lyons07 View Post

Thank you! As long as the output video is at 1080p, I don't need to worry about what the source says is that correct?

Thanks again,
Jerry

That's correct Jerry. Now, since DVD only has 480 lines of resolution and you're outputting 1080 lines (2.25x as many lines as standard def) the player has to scale the image (adds false information that isn't found in the source). Interpolation is used to try to get the picture as close to possible to what the source would have been if it had been encoded at 1080. The picture won't be as good as a disc with a source of 1080p, but there are quite a few chips that do an excellent job.

If your interested in more information about scaling try:

http://www.hqv.com/technology/index1/1024tap_scaling/

Home Theater article on Scaling
post #446 of 2891
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Originally Posted by TytaniumK View Post

Opening the tray--I agree--it does not resume. However, powering the unit off, then back on w/disc still inside, mine does resume from the point where it was stopped. This works same-same as my non blu-ray Samsung DVD player.

If turned off and then back on, SD DVD's will resume play at the last spot on both standard DVD players as well as the Sony Blu-ray player. As a matter of fact, my last Sony DVD player held the resume point for (I think) 25 DVD's. Nice feature.

However, BD's start at the beginning if you turn off the player.

This is a known issue with both the Sony and the Pioneer.

Sony says that it is the version of Java that is embedded in the player, and that the next firmware upgrade should fix the issue. Note I said should....
post #447 of 2891
Not hitting the panic button yet, but thought someone here might have some troubleshooting tips for me.

Had been successfully running the S1 directly to my 7 gen Panny plasma via HDMI to DVI. Added a Lexicon MC-12HD to the mix and everything was working great as well for a few days.
Last night I tried to watch a movie (I eventually tried a few HD and SD movies to insure it wasn't a disc problem) and couldn't get the TV to sync. The blue "Sony Blu-ray" screen that typically are displayed will the disc is loading didn't appear. I'd just get a flash of white noise and then nothing. Disc is playing as I get the soundtrack thru the Lex.

Naturally, I can wire it directly to the TV again to rule out the Lexicon, but I don't think that's the problem. Other HDMI sources HD sources play through the Lex to the TV w/o problems.

I'm wondering if I could have inadvertently changed a setting in the S-1 that may have caused the problem. I was screwing around with my Harmony remote to reset to for the new Lex. Of course, I couldn't get the on-screen display to review the settings.

Any troubleshooting suggestions would be appreciated.


Matt
post #448 of 2891
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Originally Posted by BigHat View Post

Not hitting the panic button yet, but thought someone here might have some troubleshooting tips for me.

Had been successfully running the S1 directly to my 7 gen Panny plasma via HDMI to DVI. Added a Lexicon MC-12HD to the mix and everything was working great as well for a few days.
Last night I tried to watch a movie (I eventually tried a few HD and SD movies to insure it wasn't a disc problem) and couldn't get the TV to sync. The blue "Sony Blu-ray" screen that typically are displayed will the disc is loading didn't appear. I'd just get a flash of white noise and then nothing. Disc is playing as I get the soundtrack thru the Lex.

Naturally, I can wire it directly to the TV again to rule out the Lexicon, but I don't think that's the problem. Other HDMI sources HD sources play through the Lex to the TV w/o problems.

I'm wondering if I could have inadvertently changed a setting in the S-1 that may have caused the problem. I was screwing around with my Harmony remote to reset to for the new Lex. Of course, I couldn't get the on-screen display to review the settings.

Any troubleshooting suggestions would be appreciated.


Matt

I don't have the manual close by but isn't there a way to do a hard reset on the player to get the settings back to default? If you changed a setting, this should change it back.
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post #450 of 2891
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Originally Posted by mikeewing View Post

If turned off and then back on, SD DVD's will resume play at the last spot on both standard DVD players as well as the Sony Blu-ray player. As a matter of fact, my last Sony DVD player held the resume point for (I think) 25 DVD's. Nice feature.

However, BD's start at the beginning if you turn off the player.

This is a known issue with both the Sony and the Pioneer.

Sony says that it is the version of Java that is embedded in the player, and that the next firmware upgrade should fix the issue. Note I said should....

If you added an additional cable to make the patch, you could have added just enough pulse distortion to disrupt sync. The Octava HDMI switches have built in pulse shapers to compensate for long/poor cable runs.
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