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post #1 of 28
Thread Starter 
Does anyone have any experience with the Kef reference seriers or any of their other loudspeakers? I have a chance to get a great deal on any of the Kef reference seriers speakers and was wondering if it would be worth the money to take the plunge.

Any help or experiences would be greatly appreciated
post #2 of 28
i got the KHT9000 series. They sound ok. The people who've got the reference rave about em. Bloody expensive though.
post #3 of 28
I've done some extensive listening to the Kef Ref 201s about a year or so back. If I had the money or opportunity to buy them, I would in a heartbeat. These are very clean sounding speakers. In that, I mean they just sound natural and very clear. They don't sound bright or muddy, or anything else expect neutral and clean. I listened to a variety of music on them in 2 channel mode. They were driven by a Fosgat Audionics amp at time and were receiving plenty of juice. It's hard for me to describe just how much I like these speakers. Everybody has their own opinion. Naturally, if you have a chance to listen to them, then definitely do! But, if you have to buy blind, then I wouldn't second guess taking the plunge. Not sure if you're looking for a sub as well, but there are definitely better values in subs out there than KEF. Good luck!

Also, I would put these toe to toe up against B&W Nautilus any day of the week as well. I might catch some crossfire with that statement, but that's the way I feel.
post #4 of 28
I currently have KEF's in my Home theater, my fronts are refference, surrounds and rears are Q series.

KEF has always been know for fabulous clear sound. They do tend to be more power hungry than some others but they are worth it.

All of that said, I will be replacing my KEF's with REVEL performa series, but that is because I have access to an offer that cannot be refused. I am really extremely happy with my KEF's, and will use them in my other home.
post #5 of 28
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Originally Posted by McCall View Post

I currently have KEF's in my Home theater, my fronts are refference, surrounds and rears are Q series.

KEF has always been know for fabulous clear sound. They do tend to be more power hungry than some others but they are worth it.

All of that said, I will be replacing my KEF's with REVEL performa series, but that is because I have access to an offer that cannot be refused. I am really extremely happy with my KEF's, and will use them in my other home.


I also have the KEF Reference speakers in my home and I am very happy also. I own the Kef 203 up front with the KEf Ref 201 for side surround duties and the KEF 9000 for Rear Surround duties. Got these all on a fabulous deal. I truly love the sound of these speakers. Fabulous, clear sound. I think they sound worlds beyond the other KEF Speakers but they better for what I paid for them.

McCall, it is funny that you mention purchasing the Revel Performa speakers. If I were to replace my Kef Reference set-up those would be the only speakers that I would consider purchasing. Very well engineered and great sounding. However; I think that Revel has more of a reputation of being power hungry than Kef.
post #6 of 28
Actually the power requirements of the M22 and C52 center are just about the same as the KEF's I have now.
post #7 of 28
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I have a chance to get the Reference series or the Q series at 60% off MSRP. I believe I can go up as high as the 207 series. I have a little while to decide and I really like my Sapphire speakers and had actually planned on going with martin logan electrostatic speakers next but if I have a chance to get a high line of speakers at a great price then I don't want to pass it up.

Any other thoughts or help would be great.
post #8 of 28
series only has one "r".

and habits only has one "b".
post #9 of 28
Thread Starter 
^spelling was always my worst subject in school. After hitting the submit button for this thread I saw my mistake and had a big Homer Simpson "D'Oh"

Back on topic any other opinions?
post #10 of 28
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Originally Posted by btstarke View Post

........... any other opinions?

Give 'em a good listen, if you can. If you like 'em and can afford it go for it.

They're still gonna be plenty expensive, even at 60% off!

Personally, I love/hate my KEFs.
post #11 of 28
If I could get 60% of Kef refs I would go for it. At worst I'm sure you could flick them on audiogon for a profit.

I once sat in (eavesdropped) on someone else's audition and they sounded beautiful even though they were playing Kenny G or some such easy listening dross at the time.

I've always liked Kef's sound, though.
post #12 of 28
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I wish I had a chance to listen to them but my company doesn't offer the reference series I just have a chance to get them. I really don't care for their satelite speakers but floorstanding speakers are a different animal. I just hate to drop 1600/speaker and not be happy with them
post #13 of 28
Another go grab them while you can here.

BUT with a little warning as others have said, go listen to them. Do a search on Kef's site and see if there is a local place you can to listen to them or at least another speaker in the reference series.

I have Kef Reference 3's in the front, 200-C center, and Kef Q series rears. Previously I used Reference 1's as my rears until I need to move away from floor standing rears. I'll just repeat what everyone here is saying. They are crisp clear yet smooth speakers that will not fatigue you or your guests after a 2 hour movie or music. Many people say that Kefs are "musical" speakers but not great for home theater. Well I ask them what is 50% or more of all movies...music and soundtracks, especially from the front L&R speakers. Now Kef's will not be in your face like Klipsch or the like. Some people like that for home theater and for good reason. Just know what you want before jumping into them.

I have looked at replacing these speaker many times for no other reason than being bit by the upgrade bug. I have never found anything less than twice their price that I would be happy with.

Randy
post #14 of 28
If they were made in England grab them. If they're from Asia AND you can't listen to them, I'd probably pass.
post #15 of 28
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Originally Posted by btstarke View Post

I wish I had a chance to listen to them but my company doesn't offer the reference series I just have a chance to get them. I really don't care for their satelite speakers but floorstanding speakers are a different animal. I just hate to drop 1600/speaker and not be happy with them

If you dont want to be unhappy with them,then make sure you get the appropiate electronics for them especially since you are saving so much on them,at 60% off I cant blame you,the Kef Reference is a fabulous line of speakers,but if you skimp on your electronics you will wonder why they cost so much,good luck!
post #16 of 28
Hey it is a no lose situation. If God knows why, you happened to hate them, you can sell them on ebay for more than you paid most likely.
post #17 of 28
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Originally Posted by Tawaun da bomb View Post

If you dont want to be unhappy with them,then make sure you get the appropiate electronics for them especially since you are saving so much on them,at 60% off I cant blame you,the Kef Reference is a fabulous line of speakers,but if you skimp on your electronics you will wonder why they cost so much,good luck!

What other electronics would I need. I use a yamaha RM V500 reciever.
post #18 of 28
Would Marantz SR4001 be enough to drive Reference 201???!!!
post #19 of 28
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Originally Posted by btstarke View Post

What other electronics would I need. I use a yamaha RM V500 reciever.

Are you going 2 channel or HT with the Kef Refs?
post #20 of 28
I own the 205s up front 202c for the center the 201s in the rear and 2 KEF subs (psw 4000) and I am in love. I have a B&K for a receiver and the KEFs produce a very wide sound field while sounding very clean. If you like your highs high your sound all around the room and for it so be VERY clean I would STRONGLY reccomend the KEFs. I got mine on clearance for about 50% off a while back. I have had this stuff for about a year now and still can't wait to get off work to get home to listen to these beauties.
post #21 of 28
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Originally Posted by chiliman View Post

Another go grab them while you can here.

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I have Kef Reference 3's in the front, 200-C center, and Kef Q series rears. Previously I used Reference 1's as my rears until I need to move away from floor standing rears. I'll just repeat what everyone here is saying. They are crisp clear yet smooth speakers that will not fatigue you or your guests after a 2 hour movie or music. Many people say that Kefs are "musical" speakers but not great for home theater. Well I ask them what is 50% or more of all movies...music and soundtracks, especially from the front L&R speakers. Now Kef's will not be in your face like Klipsch or the like. Some people like that for home theater and for good reason. Just know what you want before jumping into them.


Randy

Randy

I have reference threes I bought on the gon a couple weeks ago. I just purchased a Ref 200c that should be delivered tomorrow. I was wondering what Q series you are using with yours. I am using my original 103/3 pair for sides and in spite of different drivers and etc. they don't sound bad. I was wondering if something in the Q range might do better. I have been told that the RDM monitors use the same uniQ and are a good match but they seem to be rare on the used market.
Tom
post #22 of 28
Got the 203's as fronts, the 201's as rears and the 202c as center.
Indeed, "clarity" is the word!
And a very wide angle to boot, not very pointed I mean.
The bass is not as extended and also slightly less controlled than I heard on the really expensive speakers.
But it gets MUCH better through biamping (try it!- you'll reach 30Hz without a problem), and I prefer to roll off everything below 90 Hz to my sub anyway.
I own this kit for 3 years now, and only if my room was bigger than 4x4 metres I would've bought 205's instead of the 203's.

Currently I'm using a Linn Unidisk 1.1 player, with a Kisto processor and 2 Chakra 110WPC @ 8 Ohms (together 7 ch) on their way to me (replacing Arcam FMJ AV8 and P7).
So I was thinking of upgrading the KEFS to the Linn 242 c.s., but I don't think it will bring me enough benefits to warrant the huge price.

PLEASE NOTE!
KEF HAVE NOW REPLACED ALL REFS TO /2 SO KEEP AN EYE OUT FOR SPECIAL DEALS IF YOU'RE INTERESTED.
THE SUPERTWEETERS SEEM TO HAVE DISAPPEARED- AND I LIKE THEM SO MUCH!
SEEMS LITTLE HAS CHANGED, OR DID THEY USE AN UPGRADED TWEETER/MIDS COMBO?
post #23 of 28
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Originally Posted by charles_so View Post

Would Marantz SR4001 be enough to drive Reference 201???!!!

Difficult to say, Marantz is a bit vague on how they specify, they quote 80wpc but the power consumption as 420W, so they can't possibly mean "with all channels driven into 8 ohms".
So my guess is your receiver is on reality 50wpc.
Normally that should be enough for a smallish room and playing not excessively loud- but the first thing you could notice is some compression setting in and some lack of deep bass.
Also, Marantz has a bit of a "fat" sound, which may or may not be a good match for the KEF's...
Had a Marantz SR-9600 which did seem to output a slightly fat high bass and low mids exaggeration.

Then, KEF's are very transparent speakers, with excellent staging, but not exactly powerhouses, so look elsewhere if you prefer hardrock or organ played VERY load!
post #24 of 28
Thread Starter 
Well my chance to get the Kef's at an awesome deal has come and gone. They pulled the deal once they launched the new reference series. The best I can get now are the IQ9's.
I got relocated with work and have had everything else going on and didn't get a chance to get the speakers. Hopefully they will bring back the reference series esp now that I have an onkyo txnr 1000 reciever coming to power whatever speakers I use.
post #25 of 28
Just picked up a KEF XQ2C, Open Box for a very good price. I have it connected to a Yamaha RX-V2500. My only concern is that YPAO ((auto config) told me that the speaker was out of phase, although the cable was connected correctly. Swapping the polarity on the cable fixes the "problem." Has anyone seen this before? Is this something to be concerned about?
post #26 of 28
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Originally Posted by solarium_rider View Post

Just picked up a KEF XQ2C, Open Box for a very good price. I have it connected to a Yamaha RX-V2500. My only concern is that YPAO ((auto config) told me that the speaker was out of phase, although the cable was connected correctly. Swapping the polarity on the cable fixes the "problem." Has anyone seen this before? Is this something to be concerned about?

I have the same issue with my Paradigm Studio center and Yamaha RXV1700. I never switched the wires to "fix" it though. Hmm, seems like it would be like adding another problem to the existing one if the wires themselves are now connected wrong. Anyone care to enlighten us?
post #27 of 28
I had that Kef center for awhile too, very nice speaker. But it also gave me the phase error and I swapped cables with it too and it then tested fine. I also had this same thing on some other speakers I have that I'm using for surrounds right now and changed them around too. Some speakers are just phased opposite when they make them. If you had all of the same speakers then they should match. Except for subwoofers sometimes, you definitely want all your speakers in phase and thats another benefit of something like YPAO.
post #28 of 28
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Originally Posted by dakar80124 View Post

I had that Kef center for awhile too, very nice speaker. But it also gave me the phase error and I swapped cables with it too and it then tested fine. I also had this same thing on some other speakers I have that I'm using for surrounds right now and changed them around too. Some speakers are just phased opposite when they make them. If you had all of the same speakers then they should match. Except for subwoofers sometimes, you definitely want all your speakers in phase and thats another benefit of something like YPAO.

Hmm, what concerns me is that a rep from Yamaha told me that the issue is caused by a standing wave of sound in the room, and didn't say anything about switching wires.

Also, all my speakers are the same series and brand, is it even possible they would be phased differently? I know Paradigm compares each speaker to the original refererence speaker before it leaves the building...

And if I was to switch the wires would it make a change in sound level or frequencies so I would have to run the setup again?
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