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post #121 of 9398
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Originally Posted by Art Sonneborn View Post

Well . Again tremendous performance and as I stated before the expectation that the bass would overpower and turn the dialog into some unintelligble muck never happened,in fact, everything is much more defined than ever !!!
Art

I have to admit, I was thinking the same thing. I was wondering if that would happen. I mean, can you be WOWED and listen at sane levels. I can be honest. I a man . I am afraid of the idea of 120+ peaks in my room. I am afraid that it would be too loud to be enjoyable. That does not mean that I am not going to do it. It is just something that I have thought about. When I heard the Utopia, I was scared of it's output. I really was. I only want to be a little scared with this .
One thing I forgot to mention, I sit about 6in from where the sub is
post #122 of 9398
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Originally Posted by Mark Seaton View Post

Thanks Sherv',

I have always found a well executed coaxial driver to do certain things better than any set of acoustically far appart drivers. Of course there are hurdles to overcome with every design, as well as differing strengths. Without a lot of attention with measurement and design tools, it would be an uphill battle, as there are a variety of complications. The crossover design is different than how I have seen others implement this coax, which is quite similar to the one you experimented with, and results will vary tremendously with the choices made in both the bass to mid and mid to tweeter crossover and overall response shape and trends. One of the strengths of the XL is the lack of sudden changes in response when moving off axis. While no speaker is perfect in this regard, the goal is to have sounds and dialog sound very similar if not the same across multiple seats. Art's theater is a good example where the presentation is quite similar seat to seat, with most of the variation occuring in the lower octaves where expected modes and boundary interaction dominate. The enclosure, mounting, and nearby materials can also notably impact the sound and such details have been given some attention in the materials and construction.

In the end it really is all about careful execution while using appropriately chosen components.

cool Mark....

yeah, I played and played with the XO for a while, had some help from some XO gurus over at DIYaudio, and bottom line is, I just could not get the Coaxial to merge the way I wanted with the 12" woofers. Simply swapped out the coax for a pair of excel separates, and viola!.....with a quick fix to the XO, the thing came alive! .....Probably my inexperience, but the coax just did not cut the mustard. But I'm excited you got that thing to work in the XL....wish I could hear it! I know it probably is a beast

keep'm coming fellas
post #123 of 9398
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Originally Posted by MIkeDuke View Post

WOW.
Man I wish I had a bigger room . Art that is one nice theater you got there. 4 submersives. Man that must be sweet. Congrats on having a major drool worthy system.

Mike,
I'm sorry I missed this , thanks very much ! Of course there is one thing I'm learning and I can analogize to women on this. What you have looks pretty until you see something prettier.

Art
post #124 of 9398
Art, trust me.
When all you have is room that totals just about 1000cf, you realize that you NEED a bigger room .
P.S I like your Sig as I have had quite a few challenges in my life and it has made me what I am today .
post #125 of 9398
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Originally Posted by ssabripo View Post

cool Mark....

yeah, I played and played with the XO for a while, had some help from some XO gurus over at DIYaudio, and bottom line is, I just could not get the Coaxial to merge the way I wanted with the 12" woofers. Simply swapped out the coax for a pair of excel separates, and viola!.....with a quick fix to the XO, the thing came alive! .....Probably my inexperience, but the coax just did not cut the mustard. But I'm excited you got that thing to work in the XL....wish I could hear it! I know it probably is a beast

keep'm coming fellas

Hi Sherv,

The way the midrange cone essentially provides a shallow horn for the tweeter adds a few complicating factors to be considered in the crossover, and a passive crossover for the high pass on the 6.5" cone to the woofers is not a simple task. The midrange chamber is heavily damped and quite small on the XL, which is what is needed for my particular design choices for the crossover to make for a smooth on and off axis transition.

I did a good bit of listening at my place before installing them, as well as when I did a crossover update about a month ago. The the integration I can achieve with a coax still lends to transient response in a way that I rarely hear with multi-element systems. It really does help when the drivers are appropriately close enough for seamless integration.
post #126 of 9398
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Originally Posted by MIkeDuke View Post

I have to admit, I was thinking the same thing. I was wondering if that would happen. I mean, can you be WOWED and listen at sane levels. I can be honest. I a man . I am afraid of the idea of 120+ peaks in my room. I am afraid that it would be too loud to be enjoyable. That does not mean that I am not going to do it. It is just something that I have thought about. When I heard the Utopia, I was scared of it's output. I really was. I only want to be a little scared with this .
One thing I forgot to mention, I sit about 6in from where the sub is

As I know WarrenBuffet can attest, the SubMersive can really startle you when the system is set up well. While 120dB may be easily achievable while testing in your room. You still hold the volume control, and since the subwoofer's response doesn't really change through your operating range, the effect maintains very well even at lower listening levels. The 120dB capability really comes into play with the eye-popping dynamics and is more commonly used for such dynamics. Most systems squash these peaks and the listener doesn't often know without a point of comparison.

When working on Art's system on Sunday, I did a little more listening after we could get loud as Art's kids were all sleeping, and I was very happy to confirm that the effect of the subwoofers was still subtly noticable in the foundation they provided for the sounds, even at low levels.
post #127 of 9398
Thanks Mark. I don't want to seem like a woosie . I guess it's just a fear of the unkown. As long as I don't need to be blasting away at 120db to really enjoy the sub, I will be happy. And I have no doubt that you will be able to setup my system as well so that wont happen. I guess my ultimate fear is that because my room is so small, that in order to get nice usable dialogue levels, when used with this sub, that the overall level will be to high. If that makes sense.
post #128 of 9398
Art has time for kids?
post #129 of 9398
Glad you guys finally stepped up to my league


In the past sealed systems were limited to medium sized rooms down to small rooms.Way to go! Marks mains only reiterate the need for mains to continue the output from the processors XO on up.Having super output subs can only give you half the show. What a setup Art .Also the need for system headroom.I gotta listen to "Master and commander" again!


Sitting back and watching a movie without the need to turn it down is the best.I never knew how distracted I use to be with the see-saw volume game during movies.

It's just a matter of time that mark does a (4) submersive and seven mains for a killer 7.1 setup.Just give it time.
post #130 of 9398
I will be lurking,waiting for the Submersive in GLOSS BLACK

The finish has match my Fathom and upcomoing GOTHAM subs
post #131 of 9398
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Originally Posted by TheEAR View Post

I will be lurking,waiting for the Submersive in GLOSS BLACK

The finish has match my Fathom and upcomoing GOTHAM subs


I'll pass on your request when I see Mark in a few hours
post #132 of 9398
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Originally Posted by TheEAR View Post

I will be lurking,waiting for the Submersive in GLOSS BLACK

I believe Mark Schifter's cabinet making company will be making premium finish cabinets for the Submersive-1. Mark Seaton can probably enlighten you as to what finishes will be offered.
post #133 of 9398
Thanks,I an seriously looking forward to these Submersive subs.
post #134 of 9398
Hi,

Am new here........
Where can I get more technical info on this Seaton Sound sub from technical stuff up to dimensions. Does it really outpower many subs like SVS Plus 2 ?

Can it be ordered by people living in Europe ?
post #135 of 9398
Welcome to the forum, subbass.

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Originally Posted by subbass View Post

Where can I get more technical info on this Seaton Sound sub from technical stuff up to dimensions.

Earlier in this topic you can find a lot of info. More can be found by looking up Seatons recent replies in this forum.

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Does it really outpower many subs like SVS Plus 2 ?

Several of the SubMersive owners had SVS subs in the past, all sounded very positive about the upgrade. CraigSub compared the Plus/2 with a JL Audio Fathom 113 here, which should prove similar in performance to Seatons sub. More comparisons, graphs and such will follow.

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Can it be ordered by people living in Europe ?

I'm in the process of ordering two. So, yes.
post #136 of 9398
Mr. Mark Seaton,

Am highly interested in this submersive sub.

Please get back to me , please..........

Regards from Germany............
post #137 of 9398
Hi Guys,

Thank you again for all of the interest and questions. This last week was quite busy with a G2G involving some of the other subwoofer designs I have been working on for AV123. I've been catching up and should be able to respond to messages over the next day or two. I am working on the content for the website, so information will be easier to come by very soon.

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Originally Posted by TheEAR View Post

I will be lurking,waiting for the Submersive in GLOSS BLACK

The finish has match my Fathom and upcomoing GOTHAM subs

I am still working on premium finishes, so they have not yet been finalized. I will likely do limited production of piano black, and will have a few other veneered finishes. I don't expect to have these available before February.
post #138 of 9398
Well I decided last night while I had Clarence here after the Chicago Blendzilla meet and when my daughter had a new boyfriend over to see my theater to really open things up.

Having the power to do what I did last night was quite a feeling literally. The re-entry scene in Serenity was the single most impressive display of audio and video I've experienced and then I kept hearing great things from those in attendence. In that scene there are tons of different things going on at once. The music, turbulence parts of the ship shearing off just awesome. No question in my mind that this is simply a function of the mains and subs having the ability to extract accurately and powerfully what that soundtrack has to offer. Angela said" Oh my God everything is shaking!" This is coming from a lady who has experienced that scene 10 times before.

Art
post #139 of 9398
Thanks for the update Art. It seems like they can really take care of business. I still can not imagine what 4 would sound like. But maybe I can get a feelling when I get one in my room.
post #140 of 9398
as someone who has one in his room, I can tell you that the submersive sub is fantastic!
post #141 of 9398
But is your room 1000cf
I am sure it is fantastic in your room. I just took a look at your gallery. Very nice.
post #142 of 9398
So Art

Tell us what you really think

I might have to go home after work and dig that disk out ... that and WOW I havent played on the new submersive
post #143 of 9398
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Originally Posted by funlvr1965 View Post

as someone who has one in his room, I can tell you that the submersive sub is fantastic!

Didn't you also win the AV123's BMF subwoofer? Are you going to keep both of them?
post #144 of 9398
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Originally Posted by Richard Mayer View Post

Didn't you also win the AV123's BMF subwoofer? Are you going to keep both of them?

[sarcasm] Such a terrible decision for an enthusiast to have to make! [/sarcasm]
post #145 of 9398
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Originally Posted by Richard Mayer View Post

Didn't you also win the AV123's BMF subwoofer? Are you going to keep both of them?


DAMN!! cats out of the bag!! yes I did win the BMF and I also do have Mark's new submersive which he is setting up for me this weekend, I dont kow how Im going to fit and integrate the bmf into my theater but im sure Mark may have a few ideas
post #146 of 9398
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Originally Posted by sandbagger View Post

So Art

Tell us what you really think

I might have to go home after work and dig that disk out ... that and WOW I havent played on the new submersive


Kevin,
It is a lot of fun and a good move. OK, off to add another layer of weather stripping to the doors !

Art
post #147 of 9398
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Originally Posted by funlvr1965 View Post

DAMN!! cats out of the bag!! yes I did win the BMF and I also do have Mark's new submersive which he is setting up for me this weekend, I dont kow how Im going to fit and integrate the bmf into my theater but im sure Mark may have a few ideas

A BMF AND a SubMersive in the same room. WOW . That should be pretty intense if it can all be integrated nicely
post #148 of 9398
well hopefully mark will be able to work something out, but its a really cool thing to have both representations of marks vision, Im not sure when I will take delivery of the sub yet but just knowing its coming is pretty cool
post #149 of 9398
Are there ant real pics of the BMF out yet?

-Eli
post #150 of 9398
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Originally Posted by TJEli View Post

Are there ant real pics of the BMF out yet?

-Eli

I haven't seen the any pictures for the final version, but pictures of the cabinet have been released.

http://av123forum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=17405
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