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post #61 of 9378
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Originally Posted by johnlarsen View Post

finally cat is let out of bag about *that*, i was saying that one year ago even told Mark^2 (and big kahuna Mark^1) about that, now he knows i am and was right.

Well, maybe, you should have posted that information in the *official* thread sanctioned by Alan Gouger.
post #62 of 9378
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Originally Posted by CollinViegas View Post

Are us Canadians going to be able to order the Submersive 1 up here o the North?

Should be no problem and the great thing is its made in the USA so you got to love NAFTA.... not sure how well it works out for your direction but the other way I get all my taxes back from canada.

I am actually one of 2 beta testers that Mark used to make sure things were right. I received my sub back in august and have kept things kind of quiet for several reasons ( just no time to keep up on the forum for one) this sub has been just awsome. The amount of energy this thing has under 20-30hz is just crazy. The opposed drivers make for a box that we had a nickel actually standing on edge( yes I said EDGE) for a bunch of demo material. Warrens not the first to have damage from a submersive.... mine actually vibrated the door handle to the theater loose and some stuff will actually vibrate my CRT projector to the point were the blue tube internally will vibrate enough you can see it on the screen.

I don't know exactly where in the NORTH you are at but if your within driving distance of Detroit.... your more than welcome to come listen to the Submersive in my theater. And that offer stands for anyone willing to make the trip into the detroit area(west side subs)
post #63 of 9378
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Originally Posted by MIkeDuke View Post

Yea. I can believe it. I have talked to some other people who have it and they say that it is just fan-freakin-tastick. So Art, can I be let into the big boys club know?

Well, if I had the key I'd give you a copy.

Art
post #64 of 9378
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not sure how well it works out for your direction but the other way I get all my taxes back from canada.

Well, let's see. We get hit with up to 14% sales tax (depending on which province you live), duties, brokerage fees, usually a credit card fee on the exchange rate ...

It ain't that great coming the other way! NAFTA shmafta !
post #65 of 9378
indeed, nafta is a joke for Canadians ordering from the US

I drive to the Detroit and Bufallo as much as possible to save GST and all the other
bs fees, ususally the GST savings alone pay for my van rental and then I save on
brokerage, duties, and huge shipping charges
post #66 of 9378
so will this sub be offered with any furniture grade finishes?
post #67 of 9378
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Originally Posted by new27 View Post

so will this sub be offered with any furniture grade finishes?

I would like to know the same,as GORGEOUS ...fine textured black...is great for HT but we know the Submersive can be used as a sub in a two channel music system.
post #68 of 9378
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by new27 View Post

so will this sub be offered with any furniture grade finishes?


As far as i know, it will have furniture grade finishes.
post #69 of 9378
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Originally Posted by johnlarsen View Post

finally cat is let out of bag about *that*, i was saying that one year ago even told Mark^2 (and big kahuna Mark^1) about that, now he knows i am and was right.

The only reason Ed liked SVS so much was that they produced a product that was far and away better than anything else for the money.It was proven through a systematic evaluation as was other subwoofer that didn't do as well. He was recognised for his ability and his intelect. And you are recognised for your.....hmmm

SVS has raised the bar quite high and there is alot of competition now. With the likes of JL,Seaton,Hsu ect. Looks like the move to go to SVS was a match made.

Way to go Seaton.Nothing better than another great product that has your seal on it.Guys that can't DIY or really don't care to can get real products that reflect the love of the game.
post #70 of 9378
Where would one order one of these monsters? I've been looking all over the place, can't find any links or anything.

This would be my most expensive investment, since I am 15. I really want to get every penny's worth from it. My current sub right now is a DLS-5000R that I got 2 years ago. I was thinking of a PB12+/2 but the F113 completely demolishes it. How does the Submersive compare to the F113 and the PB12+2?
post #71 of 9378
The submersive should be very close if not surpass the F113 and the PB12/Plus 2 in performance. It has high output 120+db in the 30hz+ range and 100+db down to around 8hz. Neither the F113 nor the PB12/plus 2 can extend that deep. Send a PM to Mark Seaton for more info.

Wow, having one of these monsters at 15 would be insane, lol. I'm 25, and I can't bring myself to spend $2000 on a sub.
post #72 of 9378
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Originally Posted by xcjago View Post

The submersive should be very close if not surpass the F113 and the PB12/Plus 2 in performance. It has high output 120+db in the 30hz+ range and 100+db down to around 8hz. Neither the F113 nor the PB12/plus 2 can extend that deep. Send a PM to Mark Seaton for more info.

Wow, having one of these monsters at 15 would be insane, lol. I'm 25, and I can't bring myself to spend $2000 on a sub.


Rolls off to much and a very rolled off response down very deep is not a prime decision maker.It is quality in the audible range,this sets the f113 apart from even the DD18!

I just finished listening to Reference Recordings Pomp & Pipes...AMAZING,the room shook with power you expect from large vented subs! Track 4 and track 9 have abyss deep bass of very large pipe organs. Has to be felt to understand what a great sub can do. The f113 does it justice,even the HGS18 failed to deliver with complete authority! The SUbmersive has to be pited VS the f113 ASAP.
post #73 of 9378
well since the cats out of the bag now( sorry Mark we tried to keep it quiet as long as we could) let me just say that this sub is something to behold, I watched king kong this past weekend and let me tell you this sub is something else I live in a condo and do not dare bring this sub to reference level for fear of pissing everyone off and even at the levels that I listen to it at which is still fairly high the word "frightening" comes to mind. I originally had 2 m&k mx-5000 subs, amazing subs by most who have experienced them, one submersive plays louder and deeper than my two m&k subs and mind you I have not even dared to go into reference levels, this is the first sub that im literally afraid of in my room, if anyone has seen the movie " the interpretor" with sean penn and nicole kidman, there is a scene where a bomb explodes on a bus, all I can say is that it felt like a religous experience. here are some pics of my visit with me and mark a few weeks back when my wife and I and another couple came to pick up the sub, there is a shot of us carrying the sub which will give you an idea of scale, Mark will be over in a couple of weeks to calibrate and tweak the sub and the parametric QSC eq I just got, as well as the rest of the audio system. Only a fool would pass up this much performance for this price!
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"Only a fool would pass up this much performance for this price! "

I pitty the fool who would dare.

One thing is sure,Mark Seaton better have a page where I can order one,who knows maybe I'll get two. I aint no fool.

Mark are you listening,you need to have a web page where I can buy,VISA,Master,PayPal...whatever.Just realise there are people right here who need them.
post #77 of 9378
I can not wait. Jan can not get here fast enough . I am sooooooooooo excited. Can't you tell. :

It should be outstanding.
The waiting game begins...
post #78 of 9378
Mark,

I'm a little suprised by the FR graph you posted. It appears to be a very natural sealed sub response, without any LT/EQ used to boost the low end. I thought you were using the onboard DSP to extend the low end. I remember when I saw the demo with your early design in St. Charles, I was really impressed with the low end, and it sounds like your beta testers are equally impressed.

So, what am I missing? Does Kevin and Warren have that much room gain? Or am I misreading your FR graph?

I also remember you mentioning that you wanted to have a couple differnt programs in your DSP, one for a big room (with less room gain?) and one for a smaller rooms. Does this work out for you?

BTW, I do think that this is a real killer sub for those looking to spend over $1500. Congrats.
post #79 of 9378
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Originally Posted by ---k--- View Post

Mark,

I'm a little suprised by the FR graph you posted. It appears to be a very natural sealed sub response, without any LT/EQ used to boost the low end. I thought you were using the onboard DSP to extend the low end. I remember when I saw the demo with your early design in St. Charles, I was really impressed with the low end, and it sounds like your beta testers are equally impressed.

So, what am I missing? Does Kevin and Warren have that much room gain? Or am I misreading your FR graph?

I also remember you mentioning that you wanted to have a couple differnt programs in your DSP, one for a big room (with less room gain?) and one for a smaller rooms. Does this work out for you?

BTW, I do think that this is a real killer sub for those looking to spend over $1500. Congrats.

Hi Ryan,

The part you might be overlooking is the relation of the size of the enclosure and the frequency response you see. I don't know of any pair of 15" woofers that will fit in this size enclosure and give you this sort of response without electronic correction of some form. There are also some less obvious advantages to the chosen design so far as efficiency and real playback levels in typical use. That said, the response is still fits a 6dB window (+/-3dB) down to 19-20Hz out to about 200Hz. The scale shown isn't that large, so remember that the graph is only showing 5dB/division, and the left hand side is 8Hz.

If you look back I have always stated that a ground plane measurement will show nominal extension into the 18-20Hz range. The interesting part is when you place it in most rooms used for home theater, especially dedicated spaces. WarrenBuffet, this thread's original poster, has a room that was a little more of a surprise than expected, as the response in his room that opens on the left to much more space still showed in-room response that was flat to the 10-12Hz range appart from a modal peak in the 30-40Hz range. I'll see if I can post graphs from his room. I was out of town this weekend with another install, and the response in this room after killing a 40Hz modal peak was +/-3dB from 10Hz to 100Hz. I think I might have shaped the response closer to +/-3.5 dB over that range by the time I was finished. The addition of that extension has been quite noticable and significant in my experience thus far.

So yes, many rooms do have that much room gain, as I have been documenting for quite a while now, going back to when I started taming bDeaps for use in home theaters. The SubMersive is designed to take advantage of any available gain, and has been doing exactly that in installations thus far. Every room has its quirks, and there are cases where some locations have shown holes at some frequencies down low, but the gain is always there in some useful form. For those with huge, vaulted rooms that are open to the rest of a huge house, the BMF design will probably suit the need better, although multiples of the smaller SubMersive, while costing more, will still offer advantages in large spaces if you have EQ available and measns of measurement.
post #80 of 9378
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Originally Posted by TheEAR View Post

"Only a fool would pass up this much performance for this price! "

I pitty the fool who would dare.

One thing is sure,Mark Seaton better have a page where I can order one,who knows maybe I'll get two. I aint no fool.

Mark are you listening,you need to have a web page where I can buy,VISA,Master,PayPal...whatever.Just realise there are people right here who need them.

That is all getting worked out. At the moment all of the subs I have all parts for are spoken for. I am waiting to confirm when I will receive more parts. I'm also just finishing out some packaging and shipping details. Basically I'm not inclined to take money through my website until I can confidently tell people when the product they are ordering will be available. This should all be sorted out by the 1st of the year though. For now sales are word of mouth and by way of directly contacting me. - I appologize to those I still owe a response to. Starting production of a new product is always an interesting adventure.
post #81 of 9378
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Originally Posted by Mark Seaton View Post

I was out of town this weekend with another install, and the response in this room after killing a 40Hz modal peak was +/-3dB from 10Hz to 100Hz. I think I might have shaped the response closer to +/-3.5 dB over that range by the time I was finished.


WOW.... that is pretty damm nice mark....

Should I add a pic of what we were able to get out of my room here?


And I am always available to anyone that would like to hear/feel a Demo
post #82 of 9378
"Basically I'm not inclined to take money through my website until I can confidently tell people when the product they are ordering will be available."

what is the url?
post #83 of 9378
btw, the sheer specs appear quite spectacular, count me in for one as soon as
the special finishes are available
post #84 of 9378
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Originally Posted by sandbagger View Post

WOW.... that is pretty damm nice mark....

Should I add a pic of what we were able to get out of my room here?


And I am always available to anyone that would like to hear/feel a Demo


Thanks for the offer to demo to others Kevin. Indeed, the response I arrived at was very good, and didn't require all that much EQ, probably 6-8dB total, and mostly at 40Hz.

Feel free to post up the responses we took in your room. Here are two I had bookmarked myself:

you can see in Kevin's room where some structural resonance or more likely the ductwork is absorbing energy in the 12-14Hz region. I suspect the duct for the projector hot-air exhaust is the culprit, but tough to say for sure.

Response after inital pass of EQ at main seat.

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Increasing sweep levels at the listening position, prior to EQ.
post #85 of 9378
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Originally Posted by new27 View Post

btw, the sheer specs appear quite spectacular, count me in for one as soon as
the special finishes are available

Thank you new27, I'm working to have the premium finishes available before the end of February. You can find my future website address if you look in my profile here.
post #86 of 9378
Man alive Mark. I have said it before, but that is one serious sub you got there. I noticed on the first chart the sweep went down to 4Hz. And on the second one, the max spl looked like it was about to hit 125db. WOW. I guess I might need some paper towels in my room to account for the drool factor.
post #87 of 9378
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Originally Posted by MIkeDuke View Post

Man alive Mark. WOW. I guess I might need some paper towels in my room to account for the drool factor.

Yea good thing I have the lifetime factory fabric protection on my chairs eh ?

not only did we almost get to 125db.... and almost 100 at 8hz plus that 4hz was still almost 85db on that sweep..... and his TEF starts to roll off about 6 or so if I remember correctly. This sub will make the theater room door BREATH... I am waiting for it to just blow the center out of it one of these times( its just a luan door)

just for reference the room is about 2300ft^3.

All that with a sub that if it wasnt setting in the room and you were looking at it you wouldnt know it was in the room. One thing EVERYONE has said is that it dosent sound like there is a sub.... it just sounds like the mains GO VERRY VERRY LOW.
post #88 of 9378
This is what Mark is expecting in my room
"I'm expecting about 105dB+ at 10Hz in your room, probably
near 120dB @ 20Hz , and 125dB capability above 35-45Hz "
This is quite a performer.
It should be quite an event.
post #89 of 9378
"One thing EVERYONE has said is that it dosent sound like there is a sub.... it just sounds like the mains GO VERRY VERRY LOW. "

Yes yes,this is what a great sub will do.



Mark S.,

Good to know,I will wait. Wait for a premium finish,please do not forget GLOSS BLACK.I may even purchase two Submersive subs if you have them in GLOSS BLACK.


So far looks like a killer sub,around 2K a definite bargain!
post #90 of 9378
Given those specs I am definitely drooling.

I'm not in until next year but I'm defiinitely considering it.

One question: The calibration aspects. Are you actually available to perform such a thing? I assume it's because you are close by to these folks.

My room is bigger than most 3600 cubic feet but one might do the trick. I don't know though.
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