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post #7021 of 9398
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Originally Posted by FOH View Post

Mike, I can't answer that,..perhaps if the price was right, yeah. I found it dirt cheap (~$7) somewhere, most likely Sam's or Walmart.
If I can get it really cheap like that I may go for it. That way I have all three on BR. Thanks
post #7022 of 9398
Congrats batt50 on the double down!
post #7023 of 9398
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Originally Posted by mphfrom77 View Post

Congrats batt50 on the double down!

Lol!! Thank you mph.
post #7024 of 9398
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Originally Posted by Mark Seaton View Post

Hi BrolicBeast,
I have been performing system calibrations since before establishing Seaton Sound. I did more calibration/setups in the first few years of operation, particularly for systems with multiples of my designs. Over the past 7 years of operation, my time demands in the office and to the business have become much greater. Over time I've limited my travel/calibration to systems with my own products, and this year have had to establish some minimum charges to justify the time out of the office to my employees and to the business. To do any calibration I'm going to be content leaving, it's typically a 6-12 hour effort depending on the adjustments and flexibilities available. Timing flexibility is also a significant factor in what systems I calibrate. I wouldn't worry much about it until you have the SubMersives and LCR Catalysts in place. When that time does come, my forum and direct e-mail or a phone call is the appropriate place where I can answer questions directly.

I can vouch for Mark's attention to detail, dedication, and pursuit of the best audio calibration he can wring out of your system. The amount of time involved (so I have heard) also depends upon whether or not some bonehead inadvertantly mis-wired an XLR connection! biggrin.gif:eek:wink.gif

Mark
post #7025 of 9398
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Originally Posted by giomania View Post

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Originally Posted by Mark Seaton View Post

I can vouch for Mark's attention to detail, dedication, and pursuit of the best audio calibration he can wring out of your system. The amount of time involved (so I have heard) also depends upon whether or not some bonehead inadvertantly mis-wired an XLR connection! biggrin.gif:eek:wink.gif

Mark

Hi Mark,

I know you were just testing me to see if I was really doing anythings special with the microphone, wires and computer or just drawing squiggly lines on the screen. wink.gif

It's always the time spent insuring individual parts behave as expected and understand how they are interacting which allow for the best results. Entering a filter setting, moving a subwoofer or adding some delay is simple. Knowing what to set, where to move, or how much to delay is where all the head scratching comes in!
post #7026 of 9398
I can also vouch for Mark's setup skills. It was really a package deal for me(my situation is unique) in which I would not have been able to get the sub if Mark did not set it up himself. My system was very different back then and he did the best he could with what he had to work with. It was because of his coming to my room, and after we talked and set everything up, that I knew I had do some changes to my room. It was because of Mark schooling me on audio that I got rid of my big wall unit and looked into room treatements. It was a great setup. My system sounded really good when he was finished smile.gif.
Edited by MIkeDuke - 8/10/12 at 3:34pm
post #7027 of 9398
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Originally Posted by GPBURNS View Post

still looking for something to challenge the
The Pacific - - Iwo Jima Beach Scene
I have every reference disc available
and thats my go to scene
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLUBKuCGbLo

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Originally Posted by FOH View Post

GPBurns, The Pacific,...man what an extraordinary release. I mean off the chart phenomenal sound, and one of the most remarkable things I've ever experienced. I don't know if it's because it's a multi-part series, or whatever, but it gets no love around here. I think very few people have taken the time to view it. It is stunningly good,...hell, they spent somewhere to the tune of a quarter billion dollars making it. Super high production quality, plus over-runs.
Film-making at it's finest, sound included. Yeah, the scene you linked to is superb,...but the entire damn thing is superb. So powerful, emotional, historical, patriotic, the producers set out to chronicle the war, in the finest way they could, they achieved their goal.
For those so inclined, clearly, in my opinion, they must be viewed in order. You'll see, powerful, powerful stuff.
Thanks

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Originally Posted by bsoko2 View Post

I have Pacific in my collection and watched it tonite (my submersives got a workout) , fantastic bass and surround and a very emotional story. The 1st Marine Div made history on Gaudacanal and Wikipedia has an excellent account of the battle. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guadalcanal_Campaign

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Originally Posted by FOH View Post

I don't think I'd say this about other scenes/other films, but that scene in full context, is what gives it so much impact as well. clearly the audio is first rate. But the film-making, it really is that good. My point being, I wouldn't watch that scene without first experiencing the film in it's entirety. I'd take in the entire thing (I know, that's like 10 hours or even more), before I'd use the scene for sub demo purposes. I know, ate up, CDO and all that.

Thanks for the recommendations guys! I am not one for mini-series but after reading some reviews about this in the Master List of Bass in Movies thread as well as some other reviews and finally your comments, I decided to pick this up last Friday. We started the series on Friday night and finished it tonight. It was Amazing on so many different levels: story, scenery, audio, action sequences, surround effects, LFE and etc. The wife loved it too!

The audio/lfe in the entire series was great but, as mentioned, the Iwo Jima Beach Scene was really exceptional! Demo Material Fo Sho' eek.gifcool.gif
Edited by Bunga99 - 8/12/12 at 9:30pm
post #7028 of 9398
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Originally Posted by Bunga99 View Post

Thanks for the recommendations guys! I am not one for mini-series but after reading some reviews about this in the Master List of Bass in Movies thread as well as some other reviews and finally your comments, I decided to pick this up last Friday. We started the series on Friday night and finished it tonight. It was Amazing on so many different levels: story, scenery, audio, action sequences, surround effects, LFE and etc. The wife loved it too!
The audio/lfe in the entire series was great but, as mention, the Iwo Jima Beach Scene was really exceptional! Demo Material Fo Sho' eek.gifcool.gif

It was the truning point in the Pacific War. If it wasn't for that, we all might be speaking Japense today, west of the Rocky Mtns and east, German.
post #7029 of 9398
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Originally Posted by bsoko2 View Post

It was the truning point in the Pacific War. If it wasn't for that, we all might be speaking Japense today, west of the Rocky Mtns and east, German.

Yes, a real testament to the few...the proud...the Marines.
post #7030 of 9398
My wife loved it too, a powerful and emotional story.
post #7031 of 9398
Yep. The Pacific was a great series. The story was very powerful plus it looks and sounds great. It is really one of the best sounding and best looking BR's I have. I had it for awhile but have only started to watch it recently. My Grand Father was in the European Theater though. 35th Infantry division that was attached to Patton. It was my Grand Fathers division that "relieved" the 101st air born in the Ardennes forest. . So he fought in hedge row battles and against tanks like they show in Band of Brothers. And like I said, he was in the battle of the bulge. They attacked his division with 50 tanks. Both were great series. I have Band of Brothers on DVD but I have The Pacific on BR.
Edited by MIkeDuke - 8/13/12 at 12:08pm
post #7032 of 9398
My copy of The Pacific has shipped. I'm anxious to see what the buzz is all about!
post #7033 of 9398
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Originally Posted by audioguy View Post

My copy of The Pacific has shipped. I'm anxious to see what the buzz is all about!
With your projector, preamp, screen size and speakers, I will be willing to bet that you will really be impressed by it.
post #7034 of 9398
Not sure how to link a screen print, but this is the response for my adding the AS-EQ1 into my mix. I don't have a before adding this in, but when I had my SMS-1 I had a big dip at 50 that I could not control. Again like many WAF sub location biggrin.gif

Curve.docx 172k .docx file
post #7035 of 9398
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Originally Posted by cdnbum88 View Post

Not sure how to link a screen print, but this is the response for my adding the AS-EQ1 into my mix. I don't have a before adding this in, but when I had my SMS-1 I had a big dip at 50 that I could not control. Again like many WAF sub location biggrin.gif
Curve.docx 172k .docx file

Save as a picture, and then click on the "Image" icon in the post tool bar, locate the image, select it, add it, and voila!



To "Kick it up a notch", use Windows Snipping Tool to grab only the part of the screen you want to post, save the snip, and continue as noted above.



Then, you can also go crazy by circling the area you want folks to focus on, like:



Windows Snipping Tool is the greatest thing since sliced bread, IMHO!

Mark
Edited by giomania - 8/14/12 at 9:20am
post #7036 of 9398
^^^

Very cool. Thanks for the posting tips.
post #7037 of 9398
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Originally Posted by cdnbum88 View Post

Not sure how to link a screen print, but this is the response for my adding the AS-EQ1 into my mix. I don't have a before adding this in, but when I had my SMS-1 I had a big dip at 50 that I could not control. Again like many WAF sub location biggrin.gif
Curve.docx 172k .docx file
I don't mean to burst your bubble, but you should know that those graphs are not actual measurements taken of the frequency response in your room. The "after" graph represents a composite of the filters applied by the AS-EQ1 to the response in the "acoustic bubble" that makes up the area you used for the measurements. As such, it's a completely theoretical graph. It looks beautiful on the graph, and it's nice to show off what Audyssey has done, but it's not "real" in terms of being an actual, in-room response measurement. In fact, you probably wouldn't be able to measure that response anywhere in your room.

I just wanted to be sure you understood what you were looking at.

Craig
post #7038 of 9398
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Originally Posted by craig john View Post

I don't mean to burst your bubble, but you should know that those graphs are not actual measurements taken of the frequency response in your room. The "after" graph represents a composite of the filters applied by the AS-EQ1 to the response in the "acoustic bubble" that makes up the area you used for the measurements. As such, it's a completely theoretical graph. It looks beautiful on the graph, and it's nice to show off what Audyssey has done, but it's not "real" in terms of being an actual, in-room response measurement. In fact, you probably wouldn't be able to measure that response anywhere in your room.
I just wanted to be sure you understood what you were looking at.
Craig

Bubble burst biggrin.gif

That is the newbie and my lack of knowledge in this area.

Is there any 'simple' way to see what it looks like now without REW or other method?
post #7039 of 9398
Without measurement gear, it's difficult and tedious, but there is a way...

If you have an SPL meter, you could download the Realtraps test tone CD. http://www.realtraps.com/test-cd.htm Then you could play the tones one at a time, (they are single frequencies from 10 Hz to 300 Hz.) Measure the SPL at each frequency, plot the SPL's in an Excel spreadsheet and then graph the result. Also, SPL meters are notorious for being inaccurate at low frequencies. Many have "correction tables" to correct for their inaccuracies. If you can find the one for your specific SPL meter, you can add in the correction factors to make the graph more accurate.

To get a "spatial average" of the acoustic bubble, repeat the process at all your original AS-EQ1 measurement positions, average them and graph the averages. Tedious, but cheap. smile.gif

Or you could just be happy with the great sound you are experiencing with your AS-EQ1. smile.gif

Craig
post #7040 of 9398
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Originally Posted by craig john View Post

Without measurement gear, it's difficult and tedious, but there is a way...
If you have an SPL meter, you could download the Realtraps test tone CD. http://www.realtraps.com/test-cd.htm Then you could play the tones one at a time, (they are single frequencies from 10 Hz to 300 Hz.) Measure the SPL at each frequency, plot the SPL's in an Excel spreadsheet and then graph the result. Also, SPL meters are notorious for being inaccurate at low frequencies. Many have "correction tables" to correct for their inaccuracies. If you can find the one for your specific SPL meter, you can add in the correction factors to make the graph more accurate.
To get a "spatial average" of the acoustic bubble, repeat the process at all your original AS-EQ1 measurement positions, average them and graph the averages. Tedious, but cheap. smile.gif
Or you could just be happy with the great sound you are experiencing with your AS-EQ1. smile.gif
Craig

I had used just a plan old SPL metere before to level match everything to 75db as best I could. So I think that helped. As for plotting all that with something that is not very accurate, not thinking that would be fun rolleyes.gif

I am very happy on how it sounds after the AS-EQ1 was added. Played some clips from a demo BD that I got from another forum here and it was awesome. Played the Flight of the Phoenix I believe is the name and it shook my house before, but now it was a more, not sure how to explain it, but more defined and accurate sound. Before it was great, but seemed more busy and harsh and not it is smooth. I don't know the technical words to explain it, but like you said, in the end I really like the sound and I am very happy. It was a great addition to my system since I was not going to upgrade via my AVR (just bought a new 7005 and XPA-5) to get XT32 and got a great deal the AS-EQ1 and filled that hole that way.

BTW the technical staff at SVS was great. I called them on the weekend and they walked me through the process and even showed me a 'quicker/better' way to calibrate and the end result I am very pleased with.
Edited by cdnbum88 - 8/14/12 at 2:37pm
post #7041 of 9398
When hooking up a pair of Subm HP'S is it better to do
2 seperate channels level matching then allowing Audyssey
do it's thing or 1 channel using a y-splitter?
What is the advantages or disadvantages?
Which do you prefer?
Thanks for any explanations
WVchris
AVR = DENON 4311
post #7042 of 9398
^^^

xt32 will do the level matching for you... don't defeat it by using a y-splitter...
post #7043 of 9398
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Originally Posted by countryWV View Post

When hooking up a pair of Subm HP'S is it better to do
2 seperate channels level matching then allowing Audyssey
do it's thing or 1 channel using a y-splitter?
What is the advantages or disadvantages?
Which do you prefer?
Thanks for any explanations
WVchris
AVR = DENON 4311
1) best possible solution:
Use measurement equipment such as REW, Omnimic or XTZ to find the sub placements in the room that produce the lowest seat to seat FR variance. Connect subs individually, run Audyssey, measure the result. If the FR is smooth, you're done (you can add an additional step of gain matching the subs to ensure they have identical headroom). If there are dips in the sub region, and the mains to sub crossover region, adjust the sub distances individually while measuring to see if you can reduce/remove the dips in the FR.


Max
post #7044 of 9398
Thanks
good answers.
I prefer to let XT32 do it.
WVchris
post #7045 of 9398
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Originally Posted by countryWV View Post

Thanks
good answers.
I prefer to let XT32 do it.
WVchris

WV,

It has been proven that subwoofer performance can be improved with some "user intervention" after running MutEQ XT32. See the links in my signature below for the Audyssey Setup Guide post, where I have attached a document detailing the subwoofer adjustment procedure mentioned above.

Mark
post #7046 of 9398
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Originally Posted by giomania View Post

WV,
It has been proven that subwoofer performance can be improved with some "user intervention" after running MutEQ XT32. See the links in my signature below for the Audyssey Setup Guide post, where I have attached a document detailing the subwoofer adjustment procedure mentioned above.
Mark

I just got my 2nd Subm HP so it is time for me
to get a little more active about my speaker and
subwoofer integration.
thank you for the details it will keep me busy for
quite awhile.
I keep hoping that if I wait long enough mabey
Chris Angel will have a wand for sale that solves
all my problems.
That will probably come out right after I win
The Powerball.
thanks guys
Submersive owners and JTR owners for that matter are
some of the most helpful individuals on the net
thanks to all
WVchris
post #7047 of 9398
Is this a new official dealer of Seaton products in Hong Kong/China ? (link)
They even held a demo in HK earlier this month,you may see the report here. A blind(?) subwoofer shootout including a submersive and the Catalysts as mains in play.
post #7048 of 9398
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Originally Posted by countryWV View Post

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Originally Posted by giomania View Post

WV,
It has been proven that subwoofer performance can be improved with some "user intervention" after running MutEQ XT32. See the links in my signature below for the Audyssey Setup Guide post, where I have attached a document detailing the subwoofer adjustment procedure mentioned above.
Mark

I just got my 2nd Subm HP so it is time for me
to get a little more active about my speaker and
subwoofer integration.
thank you for the details it will keep me busy for
quite awhile.
I keep hoping that if I wait long enough mabey
Chris Angel will have a wand for sale that solves
all my problems.
That will probably come out right after I win
The Powerball.
thanks guys
Submersive owners and JTR owners for that matter are
some of the most helpful individuals on the net
thanks to all
WVchris

i want one of those wands too... smile.gif

but until that happens, the audyssey setup guide is invaluable... since the audyssey threads are currently well "off the track" right now (hopefully they will get back on the track soon, but i'm not holding my breath)... if you have any setup issues, post them up here, there are several people who have a lot of experience optimizing audyssey results... smile.gif
post #7049 of 9398
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Originally Posted by ken wu View Post

Is this a new official dealer of Seaton products in Hong Kong/China ? (link)
They even held a demo in HK earlier this month,you may see the report here. A blind(?) subwoofer shootout including a submersive and the Catalysts as mains in play.

Interesting.
post #7050 of 9398
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Originally Posted by ken wu View Post

Is this a new official dealer of Seaton products in Hong Kong/China ? (link)
They even held a demo in HK earlier this month,you may see the report here. A blind(?) subwoofer shootout including a submersive and the Catalysts as mains in play.

Hi ken,

Thank you for the heads up on this comparison. Now if only Chrome's translator could speak "audiophile".

ChinaWay Electronics is a new distributor of ours located in Hong Kong. We are still developing and experimenting with the process for an international distributor, but they already have 6 Catalyst 12C's and 8 SubMersives. The SubMersive compared in the shootout uses the original 1000W amp.
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