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post #7111 of 9401
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Originally Posted by bsoko2 View Post

Datasat Digital Entertainment had made a animated disk of a alien spaceship coming into the earth's atmosphere and hovering over a farm and making a crop circle. This disk goes low and vibrates the whole room and really shows off how your subs do. Go to http://datasatdigital.com/cinema/ and play the trailer or send email to 'cinemainfo@datasat.com' for a copy of the trailer.
i got my disc from them a few weeks back. I absolutely love that 48 second clip! It really shows of your entire audio system. cool.gif
post #7112 of 9401
It was 48 seconds and coaster duty for me. tongue.gif
post #7113 of 9401

Mine just came a couple of days ago; they acknowledged my request a couple of weeks ago, saying that it would be a while since they had run out.    But it came; very classy service!

post #7114 of 9401
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Originally Posted by millerwill View Post

Mine just came a couple of days ago; they acknowledged my request a couple of weeks ago, saying that it would be a while since they had run out.    But it came; very classy service!

Yes, Mr. Seaton is a class act as are you Mr. Miller.smile.gif

How are things Bill? Enjoying those 8C's?
post #7115 of 9401
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post


Yes, Mr. Seaton is a class act as are you Mr. Miller.smile.gif
How are things Bill? Enjoying those 8C's?


The 8C's (L/C/R) are truly outstanding, probably overkill for me.    Together with a SubM HP (only 1) in my ~2000+ ft^3 room they more than adequate.    However I do crank them up to ref level for BD's and they do ENVELOPE one!      Since the 8C's and SubM are self-powered, the Onk 3008 AVR only has to drive two Heights (Audyssey DSX), two side surrounds, and one rear, thus has a very easy time; these are still my Ascendacoustic HTM200's, which are perfectly adequate in this role, and very efficient.

 

I've heard Peter Chang's 12C's, and they are of course amazing, but would be insane for my room; esp since I wanted to have as large a screen as possible (12 ft W) and don't think I could squeeze them in.

post #7116 of 9401

In my temp HT (My bedroom) I have a calculated 2393 Ft^3. (A second story room whose front & rear ceilings are sloped) I have two SubM's
that will be upgraded with HPi amps & three Cat 12C's ~8k of power with another 3k coming. I have four Polk 10B's for the surrounds &
no way to change them. (They are out classed by the Seatons)


Edited by calentz - 9/19/12 at 10:35am
post #7117 of 9401
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Originally Posted by calentz View Post

In my temp HT (My bedroom) I have a calculated 2393 Ft^3. (A second story room whose front & rear ceilings are sloped) I have two SubM's
that will be upgraded with HPi amps & three Cat 12C's ~8k of power with another 3k coming. I have four Poke 10B's for the surrounds &
no way to change them. (They are out classed by the Seatons)

I don't think you'll ever get upgraditus audio-wise!

post #7118 of 9401
Upon further review I can only assume adult beverages must have been involved !! eek.giftongue.gifbiggrin.gif
Edited by Gary J - 9/19/12 at 7:18am
post #7119 of 9401
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Originally Posted by millerwill View Post


The 8C's (L/C/R) are truly outstanding, probably overkill for me.    Together with a SubM HP (only 1) in my ~2000+ ft^3 room they more than adequate.    However I do crank them up to ref level for BD's and they do ENVELOPE one!      Since the 8C's and SubM are self-powered, the Onk 3008 AVR only has to drive two Heights (Audyssey DSX), two side surrounds, and one rear, thus has a very easy time; these are still my Ascendacoustic HTM200's, which are perfectly adequate in this role, and very efficient.

I've heard Peter Chang's 12C's, and they are of course amazing, but would be insane for my room; esp since I wanted to have as large a screen as possible (12 ft W) and don't think I could squeeze them in.

Yes, Peter's system is one of the best. I know you are a comitted Videophile but have you considered an AT screen?

Regarding "overkill", you now have a system with clean SPL capability that can compensate for the decline in auditory function that is inevitable for us seinor citizens. wink.gif
post #7120 of 9401
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Originally Posted by millerwill View Post

I don't think you'll ever get upgraditus audio-wise!

 Well actually when / if I ever get the real HT built, I plan to use at-least one of the Cat 8 series for the surrounds.

post #7121 of 9401
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post


Yes, Peter's system is one of the best. I know you are a comitted Videophile but have you considered an AT screen?
Regarding "overkill", you now have a system with clean SPL capability that can compensate for the decline in auditory function that is inevitable for us seinor citizens. wink.gif


No possibility for AT; room is not deep enough (screen wall is an outside wall of the house, and the screen actually covers a window)--with a 144"W screen the Sony1000 (whose min throw ratio of 1.26 is about the shortest around) is already at the back of the room (on a stand).    And the AT route is not something that appeals to me in general (though I know there are many strong believers in it--which is what makes this hobby fun, all the 'diversity' of preferences!):   I need the gain of the HP screen and also love its smooth surface.    And I've never had a problem with speakers on the sides.    (My screen wall has 150" of width, because of a built in bookcase on the side, and the screen is 147" wide including the frame; but the speakers are enough out from the screen wall not to block the pic.     That's the fun part of this HT, working out all the angles!)

post #7122 of 9401
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Originally Posted by calentz View Post

 Well actually when / if I ever get the real HT built, I plan to use at-least one of the Cat 8 series for the surrounds.


I knew I was wrong as soon as I posted the comment you responded to:   one NEVER looses the upgrade bug!

post #7123 of 9401
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Originally Posted by millerwill View Post


I knew I was wrong as soon as I posted the comment you responded to:   one NEVER looses the upgrade bug!

The "upgrade bug" is our Crack!
post #7124 of 9401
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Originally Posted by millerwill View Post

I knew I was wrong as soon as I posted the comment you responded to:   one NEVER looses the upgrade bug!

Especially if you keep it tightened down.
post #7125 of 9401
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

I order and received my submersive HD back in February when an Audio Toolkit DVD was suppose to be included but wasn't.
I've written Mark on several occassions about it. At first he said that they were coming in but now, he doesn't return my emails and still no DVD.
Although I like the submersive, I have to admit that this little grain of sand of a problem is bugging the dickens out of me.
Has anyone else gotten the Audio Toolkit DVD in the last few months????

I haven't received my Audio Tool Kit either. I did ask once before but don't recall ever getting an answer?
post #7126 of 9401
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Originally Posted by Larry M View Post

I haven't received my Audio Tool Kit either. I did ask once before but don't recall ever getting an answer?

I received my SubMersives last October and am still waiting for the Audio Toolkit. I think Mark was a one-man show up until a few months ago, but now has help at his office (Kelly, who he mentioned above). I would send an email to Kelly (sales@seatonsound.net), explain your situation, and ask her to put you on the list for the Audio Toolkit. I am finally on the list, so should be getting mine in the next shipment.

I think that Mark focuses on building and shipping speakers and subs (come on, SubMersive XL!). Now that he has some help at the office, that should help with some of those things that may have slipped.

Mark
post #7127 of 9401
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Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

Hey all, Are Tact2 and the Antimode devices meant to be used instead of Audyssey, or in conjunction with it? I'm goiing to start gear I'll need to get the F2's as good as they can get. Having never measured before or independently tuned subwoofers w/o Audyssey or MACC in the early days, this is a completely new arena for me.

I suggest you get some measuring gear *before* you attempt to utilize multiple EQ devices together. You may find that room treatments and placement optimization prior to EQ gets you close enough that only one EQ device is needed. You really need to be able to *see* your response before you start tinkering with it.

There are multiple options for measurement gear: REW, xtz, OmniMic, etc., and there is plenty of support available for all of them. Good luck.

Craig
post #7128 of 9401
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post


OK, this is outrageous ... no Audio Toolkit for almost a year ... eek.gif
Hopefully, you've been able to get some use out of the Submersive's albeit crippled by the lack of a tool kit. I smell a conspiracy here ... perhaps you should get that Chew Guy on the case? tongue.gif

 I have had my Seaton's for approx three years now. Back then I, at least put the "Toolkit" on to see what it was about. I found little use for it. Mark will send it to those who are owed the disk when
he receives them and has stock again. See and Mark's post above.


Edited by calentz - 9/20/12 at 8:04am
post #7129 of 9401
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Originally Posted by calentz View Post

 I have had my Seaton's for approx three years now. Back then I, at least put the "Toolkit" on to see what it was about. I found little use for it. Mark will send it to those who are owed the disk when

he receives them and has stock again. See and Mark's post above.

My sarcasm is oft missed ...
As my brother would say, Rob go for joke ... no get ... tongue.gif
post #7130 of 9401
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Originally Posted by craig john View Post

I suggest you get some measuring gear *before* you attempt to utilize multiple EQ devices together. You may find that room treatments and placement optimization prior to EQ gets you close enough that only one EQ device is needed. You really need to be able to *see* your response before you start tinkering with it.
There are multiple options for measurement gear: REW, xtz, OmniMic, etc., and there is plenty of support available for all of them. Good luck.
Craig

Thanks Craig. I'm ordering XTZ or Omnimic tomorrow to get started on this measuring journey. I'm looking forward to getting this party started. cool.gif
post #7131 of 9401
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Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

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Originally Posted by craig john View Post

I suggest you get some measuring gear *before* you attempt to utilize multiple EQ devices together. You may find that room treatments and placement optimization prior to EQ gets you close enough that only one EQ device is needed. You really need to be able to *see* your response before you start tinkering with it.
There are multiple options for measurement gear: REW, xtz, OmniMic, etc., and there is plenty of support available for all of them. Good luck.
Craig

Thanks Craig. I'm ordering XTZ or Omnimic tomorrow to get started on this measuring journey. I'm looking forward to getting this party started. cool.gif

If ordering the OmniMic, 1 or 2 of these extender/repeaters can be a worthwhile add-on to free you from the 6' USB leash.
post #7132 of 9401
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Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

Thanks Craig. I'm ordering XTZ or Omnimic tomorrow to get started on this measuring journey. I'm looking forward to getting this party started. cool.gif

Too bad you didn't live closer to the KC area. I'd let you borrow my XTZ kit. They are awfully expensive, but by far the easiest to setup. Less than 1 minute from opening the box to running the first sweep!
post #7133 of 9401
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Originally Posted by counsil View Post

Too bad you didn't live closer to the KC area. I'd let you borrow my XTZ kit. They are awfully expensive, but by far the easiest to setup. Less than 1 minute from opening the box to running the first sweep!
How low does the XTZ go to?? The website listed 16hz?? confused.gif
post #7134 of 9401
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Originally Posted by edoggrc51 View Post

How low does the XTZ go to?? The website listed 16hz?? confused.gif
16 Hz is correct. The mic is calibrated to 16 Hz. The ETF graphs display to 8 Hz, but it's not an FR graph, and they don't claim calibrated output. Another "complaint" about xtz is that the highest resolution possible is 1/12 octave. Some feel it is imperative to have higher resolution, all the way to unsmoothed graphs. I, (personally) don't think that is required to optimize a subwoofer system, but other will disagree.

Craig
post #7135 of 9401
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Originally Posted by craig john View Post

16 Hz is correct. The mic is calibrated to 16 Hz. The ETF graphs display to 8 Hz, but it's not an FR graph, and they don't claim calibrated output. Another "complaint" about xtz is that the highest resolution possible is 1/12 octave. Some feel it is imperative to have higher resolution, all the way to unsmoothed graphs. I, (personally) don't think that is required to optimize a subwoofer system, but other will disagree.
Craig
Gotcha! Thanks for the info. smile.gif
post #7136 of 9401
OmniMic goes to 5Hz but I'm not sure how meaningful that is either.
post #7137 of 9401
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Originally Posted by counsil View Post

TThey are awfully expensive, but by far the easiest to setup. Less than 1 minute from opening the box to running the first sweep!

When one has $10,000 to $20,000 in Seaton Speakers (or any other brand for that matter), the $300 price of XTZ or OmniMic is a literal bargain given that it will allow you to get all of the sound you paid for. Along with the Darbee Darblet, I would say that OmniMic was one of the very best and reasonably price thingies I purchased for my theater.
post #7138 of 9401
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Originally Posted by Mark Seaton View Post

If ordering the OmniMic, 1 or 2 of these extender/repeaters can be a worthwhile add-on to free you from the 6' USB leash.

Thanks Mark. I'm pretty sure I will need a couple of those! I haven't yet made the purchase, as I was (and still am) having difficulty deciding, but i think I'm leaning toward the Omnimic. I know the Submersives go lower than the 16Hz that the XTZ mic is capable of.
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Originally Posted by counsil View Post

Too bad you didn't live closer to the KC area. I'd let you borrow my XTZ kit. They are awfully expensive, but by far the easiest to setup. Less than 1 minute from opening the box to running the first sweep!

Thanks man! Even though I'm leagues away from KC, I appreciate it all the same Counsil. They are indeed expensive as standalone products, but I think that when taken as a whole, they can be considered a bargain. Now, at first, the thought of spending $300-$350 on an item that only measures but does not EQ was a bit off-putting; however, I now consider it as an added cost to the subwoofers. At two subwoofers, that's an extra $150 each for a complete measurement suite. One minute from opening the box to running the first sweep? Yikes! That's pretty awesome! I'm a fan of efficient user interfaces, which XTZ must clearly have if it's that easy to use. hmmmm...decisions decisions....
post #7139 of 9401
Both XTZ and Omnimic are very user friendly. Load program on computer, plug in connections, ready to go.

REW can be had for less and has features the other 2 don't, but the downsides are that you have to get all the pieces of equipment separately (mic, compatible soundcard, cables etc. REW itself is free) and it has a steeper learning curve to setup and use


Max
post #7140 of 9401
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Originally Posted by edoggrc51 View Post

Gotcha! Thanks for the info. smile.gif

Since most of us can't hear below 16 hz, I wouldn't consider that in my decision. Nor would I allow 1/12th octave smoothing to be a problem.

I do like Omnimic and REW in combination. What works for me is to use the Omnimic to capture the information and then transfer it into REW to calculate filters. Best of both worlds.
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