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Usually you would run any subwoofer eq before Audyessy/ MCACC etc. Get the subwoofers measuring as flat as possible, then run the auto cal. 

 

Here's the best that I can get in my room using Audyessy XT 32 with dual HP's,

I order and received my submersive HD back in February when an Audio Toolkit DVD was suppose to be included but wasn't.

I've written Mark on several occassions about it. At first he said that they were coming in but now, he doesn't return my emails and still no DVD.

Although I like the submersive, I have to admit that this little grain of sand of a problem is bugging the dickens out of me.

Has anyone else gotten the Audio Toolkit DVD in the last few months????

Mark is a little slow with the E-Mails, but he has always answered my phone calls. Lately when he posts to both
his own forum & on AVS, it is rarely more than a single post. I used to enjoy them, as they were very informative.
I surmise that he is very busy these days.

I may be wrong(not making excuses) but a while ago I thought I remember Mark saying that he was having a hard time getting those disks. Of course, I could be mis-remembering . But it could be a situation like that.

The disks have not been shipping, as we don't have them in stock right now. This is noted in the product availability thread on our forum. Once I have them, I'll send them out. They are a free add-on, and something nice to have, but in no way required for the subwoofer to function or to even set it up.

I now see your e-mail which Kelly had marked to respond but hadn't yet as she was waiting on me for an update. We should have responded much sooner with a simple "not in stock yet"... While traveling for work the past 2 weekends I haven't had anything new to update, but I expect it to be resolved soon, and anyone owed a DVD will receive theirs. By the end of the year, the AudioToolkit inclusion will be a thing of the past as it costs a little too much for what it offers (even at the quantities I purchase) and doesn't allow detailed testing for enough of the more recent formats.
Edited by Mark Seaton - 9/18/12 at 12:12pm

Datasat Digital Entertainment had made a animated disk of a alien spaceship coming into the earth's atmosphere and hovering over a farm and making a crop circle. This disk goes low and vibrates the whole room and really shows off how your subs do. Go to http://datasatdigital.com/cinema/ and play the trailer or send email to 'cinemainfo@datasat.com' for a copy of the trailer.

i got my disc from them a few weeks back. I absolutely love that 48 second clip! It really shows of your entire audio system.

It was 48 seconds and coaster duty for me.

Mine just came a couple of days ago; they acknowledged my request a couple of weeks ago, saying that it would be a while since they had run out.    But it came; very classy service!

Yes, Mr. Seaton is a class act as are you Mr. Miller.

How are things Bill? Enjoying those 8C's?

The 8C's (L/C/R) are truly outstanding, probably overkill for me.    Together with a SubM HP (only 1) in my ~2000+ ft^3 room they more than adequate.    However I do crank them up to ref level for BD's and they do ENVELOPE one!      Since the 8C's and SubM are self-powered, the Onk 3008 AVR only has to drive two Heights (Audyssey DSX), two side surrounds, and one rear, thus has a very easy time; these are still my Ascendacoustic HTM200's, which are perfectly adequate in this role, and very efficient.

 

I've heard Peter Chang's 12C's, and they are of course amazing, but would be insane for my room; esp since I wanted to have as large a screen as possible (12 ft W) and don't think I could squeeze them in.

In my temp HT (My bedroom) I have a calculated 2393 Ft^3. (A second story room whose front & rear ceilings are sloped) I have two SubM's
that will be upgraded with HPi amps & three Cat 12C's ~8k of power with another 3k coming. I have four Polk 10B's for the surrounds &
no way to change them. (They are out classed by the Seatons)

Edited by calentz - 9/19/12 at 10:35am

I don't think you'll ever get upgraditus audio-wise!

Upon further review I can only assume adult beverages must have been involved !!
Edited by Gary J - 9/19/12 at 7:18am

Yes, Peter's system is one of the best. I know you are a comitted Videophile but have you considered an AT screen?

Regarding "overkill", you now have a system with clean SPL capability that can compensate for the decline in auditory function that is inevitable for us seinor citizens.

 Well actually when / if I ever get the real HT built, I plan to use at-least one of the Cat 8 series for the surrounds.

No possibility for AT; room is not deep enough (screen wall is an outside wall of the house, and the screen actually covers a window)--with a 144"W screen the Sony1000 (whose min throw ratio of 1.26 is about the shortest around) is already at the back of the room (on a stand).    And the AT route is not something that appeals to me in general (though I know there are many strong believers in it--which is what makes this hobby fun, all the 'diversity' of preferences!):   I need the gain of the HP screen and also love its smooth surface.    And I've never had a problem with speakers on the sides.    (My screen wall has 150" of width, because of a built in bookcase on the side, and the screen is 147" wide including the frame; but the speakers are enough out from the screen wall not to block the pic.     That's the fun part of this HT, working out all the angles!)

I knew I was wrong as soon as I posted the comment you responded to:   one NEVER looses the upgrade bug!

The "upgrade bug" is our Crack!

Especially if you keep it tightened down.

I haven't received my Audio Tool Kit either. I did ask once before but don't recall ever getting an answer?

I received my SubMersives last October and am still waiting for the Audio Toolkit. I think Mark was a one-man show up until a few months ago, but now has help at his office (Kelly, who he mentioned above). I would send an email to Kelly (sales@seatonsound.net), explain your situation, and ask her to put you on the list for the Audio Toolkit. I am finally on the list, so should be getting mine in the next shipment.

I think that Mark focuses on building and shipping speakers and subs (come on, SubMersive XL!). Now that he has some help at the office, that should help with some of those things that may have slipped.

Mark

I suggest you get some measuring gear *before* you attempt to utilize multiple EQ devices together. You may find that room treatments and placement optimization prior to EQ gets you close enough that only one EQ device is needed. You really need to be able to *see* your response before you start tinkering with it.

There are multiple options for measurement gear: REW, xtz, OmniMic, etc., and there is plenty of support available for all of them. Good luck.

Craig

 I have had my Seaton's for approx three years now. Back then I, at least put the "Toolkit" on to see what it was about. I found little use for it. Mark will send it to those who are owed the disk when
he receives them and has stock again. See and Mark's post above.

Edited by calentz - 9/20/12 at 8:04am

My sarcasm is oft missed ...
As my brother would say, Rob go for joke ... no get ...

Thanks Craig. I'm ordering XTZ or Omnimic tomorrow to get started on this measuring journey. I'm looking forward to getting this party started.

If ordering the OmniMic, 1 or 2 of these extender/repeaters can be a worthwhile add-on to free you from the 6' USB leash.

Too bad you didn't live closer to the KC area. I'd let you borrow my XTZ kit. They are awfully expensive, but by far the easiest to setup. Less than 1 minute from opening the box to running the first sweep!

How low does the XTZ go to?? The website listed 16hz??

16 Hz is correct. The mic is calibrated to 16 Hz. The ETF graphs display to 8 Hz, but it's not an FR graph, and they don't claim calibrated output. Another "complaint" about xtz is that the highest resolution possible is 1/12 octave. Some feel it is imperative to have higher resolution, all the way to unsmoothed graphs. I, (personally) don't think that is required to optimize a subwoofer system, but other will disagree.

Craig